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Islamic Attacks-Should Aussies Protect Themselves
Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:03pm
 
Relying on the AFP is not enough it would seem. The attacks in the streets are only what muslims are thinking, take out the non-believers, teach them a lesson for not converting to Islam

Our situation is not fantasy, it's very real, yet we allow ourselves to believe it's not really happening, and how could it? we have the most successful multicultural society in the world the Libs, Labs and progressives tell us. It's successful because the media can successfully hide such things as the cut throat with litres of blood spilled on the floor from a young woman who wasn't of the Islamic faith, it's too much for us to take and must be censored, but those that did see the gruesome scene probably received psychological counseling and advised it would be troubling for them if they talked about openly and to come back for more counseling if the need arose

"Mental illness" is applied selectively, even when it's obvious the attackers are muslim or new converts to Islam

There is a case now for Aussies to protect themselves, which goes for other ethnic groups as well, who are not of the Islamic faith and don't wish to become so

Protection can take many forms, it can be simply avoiding "hot spots" which so far are city center CBDs. It can be identifying Imams and mosques belligerent to the Western way of life and Law, especially in lower socio-economic suburbs. It can be figuring out how often the attacks occur to know and remember the frequency at which they happen. They happen when we least expect them, so knowing how often would be helpful. We can avoid contact with muslims. Building up our psyche to avoid muslims will carry through to all aspects of your life, it will become automatic and go a long way to make us safer than those who ignore the danger

You can of course work on your own means of protection, but devise it for family and friends also, no one can tell us when or if these Islamic attacks are going to stop, the Libs can't say, the Labs can't say, and the progressives can't say. We are on our own, and the AFP can't protect us 100%

In our society we have many problems, some of which are put down to mental illness, many are not. We must decide for ourselves which is which from the stark reality in which they occur. However, mental illness is a condition that must be proved in a court hearing, not in street chatter, not from wishful thinking or fanciful dialogue of a politician or defense lawyer in interviews with journalists.
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Reply #1 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:37pm
 
Should Aussies Protect Themselves

definitely.... may i suggest you hide under your bed until all Muslims are removed from this country.
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Reply #2 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:49pm
 


"Islamic Attacks-Should Aussies Protect Themselves"




Aussies are not permitted to protect themselves, from attacks.

Only the police and the government can protect us from harm.

You know that.




Only the police and the government are permitted to protect us from harm.

You know that.





"Skaf could be out in 2024."

You know very well, that people like Bilal Skaf have no intention to harm us.

You know that.

He said in court, that everything that he did to those girls was 100% lawful.

They were not covered, as they should have been.



With a little luck Skaf will be deported on release, back to Pakiland.

But that does NOT help us, regarding the other ~400,000 self described followers of ISLAM who are living in Australia, imo.





Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1543371381/490#490





Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda



QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?








ISLAM.

Don't ya love it !



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Reply #3 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:34pm
 
The latest terror attack in Sydney is not a terrorist attack because the terrorist had no known links to terrorism. We all saw and heard what went down and he was caught with evidence, not enough to even put him on trial though.

This decision will work into the hands of the Muslims and their terror attack statistics in the future.

Truth justice and the Australian way.

Tip: Allahu Akbar in English means run for your life.
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Reply #4 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:55pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:37pm:
Should Aussies Protect Themselves

definitely.... may i suggest you hide under your bed until all Muslims are removed from this country.


Bobbi's accommodating bunches of Muslims and black Africans under his bed.
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Reply #5 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 6:31pm
 
Nothing like a good old Muslim stabbing to bring the jokers out of the closet.
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Reply #6 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 6:33pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:37pm:
Should Aussies Protect Themselves

definitely.... may i suggest you hide under your bed until all Muslims are removed from this country.


Bobbi's accommodating bunches of Muslims and black Africans under his bed.


that's where he keeps his bondage gear
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Reply #7 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 6:37pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 6:33pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:37pm:
Should Aussies Protect Themselves

definitely.... may i suggest you hide under your bed until all Muslims are removed from this country.


Bobbi's accommodating bunches of Muslims and black Africans under his bed.


that's where he keeps his bondage gear

How do you know.
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Reply #8 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 6:49pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 6:37pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 6:33pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:37pm:
Should Aussies Protect Themselves

definitely.... may i suggest you hide under your bed until all Muslims are removed from this country.


Bobbi's accommodating bunches of Muslims and black Africans under his bed.


that's where he keeps his bondage gear

How do you know.



he showed gordy and gordy told me all about it hoping to entice me to join them.
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Reply #9 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 7:43pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:34pm:
The latest terror attack in Sydney is not a terrorist attack because the terrorist had no known links to terrorism. We all saw and heard what went down and he was caught with evidence, not enough to even put him on trial though.

This decision will work into the hands of the Muslims and their terror attack statistics in the future.

Truth justice and the Australian way.

Tip: Allahu Akbar in English means run for your life.


We can trick ourselves into thinking it wasn't terrorism or we can look at the facts - A young guy of Turkish descent with a knife kills one person and stabs another and he's yelling Allah Akbar

In the future, it would be wise if we knew where muslims lived in our suburbs and streets, learn if they are reasonably stable members of their families, if they have steady jobs or on welfare, the company they keep, etc

Our personal protection and that of our family and friends may depend on how much knowledge we have about muslims. The knowledge we have so far is that muslims have killed and maimed Aussies and other ethnics. What we need now is knowledge and perception that will warn us of pending attacks.
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Reply #10 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 8:05pm
 
I think you all miss the point that Middle-Easterners have been ruled by MILITARY/WAR/EMPERORS/etc for far longer and with more intensity than any other region of the planet. Not even the Military Empires of Europe and Asia can compare.
Even North America is proving it is the most 'Political' of all the Regions on the planet.
Australia will be ART.

So you can see why Moslems from the Middle-East (even Jews) behave and act the way they do. The are 'War-Like' and its in their nature to 'kill'.

Poor Anglo-Saxon Convicts thought they were tough for stealing loaves of bread when they came here. Look what the Middle-East is offering.

Don't expect the Australian Politicians and the Police to 'protect' you. They put you in an Aboriginal 'Cell' and have let a Middle-Eastern Moslem in now as well.
The Moslem says to you "Get off the bottom bunk! I'm taking it now."  So - ya gonna fight him? Gonna hit him with your loaf of bread?
The Police, Politicians, Security Guards, etc - are all watching you get your arse beat off the bottom bunk.
The Moslem doesn't beat you to a pulp entirely there. He more than confident to enjoy beating time and time again.

Protect yourself?
With 'What'?
You can't have 'guns' via the Political aspect of your existence.
So what can you do to protect yourself from Moslems?
The Yanks are flying into space and to MARS, as they loose their Nation and lands to illegal immigration en mass from Mexicans and other nations.

It doesn't really paint a pretty picture for you does it.

Oh well Australia. You could always try your luck at 'terrorising' them back. Or leaving behind the Aboriginal Land to them and jumping in between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.
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Reply #11 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 11:14pm
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
Protect yourself?
With 'What'?



It's not a time to be defeatist JaSin

An acute sense of perception relating to potentially dangerous occurrences and knowledge of how they occur would lessen the risk of danger to ourselves, but only if we act positively and not just sit around postulating that they might or might not happen. The evidence is that they do happen from time to time and nobody can say when they'll stop

The frequency of Islamic attacks since 2014 in NSW and Victoria has been one a year since then. All but one resulted in murder of innocent people, six people in total

So let's start with that frequency and by the law of averages, the next attack will be due in late 2020

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Reply #12 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 11:22pm
 
If you think taking the gun up against the Moslem and seeking a 'military' solution will solve your problems - remember then, that you are playing 'their' game.

No. You devalue the importance of all things Military here (starve the Cancer) and move onto a better solution to which they are not suited to.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #13 - Aug 19th, 2019 at 1:46am
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 11:22pm:
If you think taking the gun up against the Moslem and seeking a 'military' solution will solve your problems - remember then, that you are playing 'their' game.

No. You devalue the importance of all things Military here (starve the Cancer) and move onto a better solution to which they are not suited to.



Huh? when did I mention guns or a military solution?
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Why is this in philosophy?
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 4:08pm:
Why is this in philosophy?


Because there's no 'Delusional Disorder' Member Run board?   Undecided
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Why do you ask?
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Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 4:08pm:
Why is this in philosophy?


Why do you ask?



Because it isn't philosophy.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 7:38am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 4:08pm:
Why is this in philosophy?


Why do you ask?



Because it isn't philosophy.


I'm afraid it is

It's advocating greater use of personal perception and acting on it, rather than leaving things to chance and letting what others have implanted in our minds rule our minds
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Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 12:23pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 7:38am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 4:08pm:
Why is this in philosophy?


Why do you ask?



Because it isn't philosophy.


I'm afraid it is

It's advocating greater use of personal perception and acting on it, rather than leaving things to chance and letting what others have implanted in our minds rule our minds



Philosophy (from Greek φιλοσοφία, philosophia, literally "love of wisdom") is the study of general and fundamental questions about existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.



I suppose since this whole thread lacks reason, you're probably right.
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Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 12:23pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 7:38am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 4:08pm:
Why is this in philosophy?


Why do you ask?



Because it isn't philosophy.


I'm afraid it is

It's advocating greater use of personal perception and acting on it, rather than leaving things to chance and letting what others have implanted in our minds rule our minds

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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 3:16pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 12:23pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 7:38am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 4:08pm:
Why is this in philosophy?


Why do you ask?



Because it isn't philosophy.


I'm afraid it is

It's advocating greater use of personal perception and acting on it, rather than leaving things to chance and letting what others have implanted in our minds rule our minds



Philosophy (from Greek φιλοσοφία, philosophia, literally "love of wisdom") is the study of general and fundamental questions about existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.



I suppose since this whole thread lacks reason, you're probably right.


And the 'reason' you are here and posting to this topic is because...
The Australian philosophy you see here is not 'Greek' enough for you Bojack?
Oh you're a well-taught guy. Can't see you thinking for yourself as an Australian, unless its in Greek.  Roll Eyes
Are you here to 'correct' us like Thought Criminals?

You sit in your Hospital safe from harm.
While the Drug Dealers infect 'out there' in the world.
You leave the 'Drug' problem up to the Police.  Roll Eyes
We couldn't see you in the Night Clubs and Festivals taking on the Drug Dealers. With no competition out there, the Drug Dealers have an 'easy' prey of kids.
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Reply #22 - Aug 20th, 2019 at 8:39pm
 
In the mean time the question is: should Aussies protect themselves by applying an alternative way other than relying on the AFP and political rhetoric?

No politician or senior cop said the usual "We are safe, we live in a safe society" after this latest attack. Obviously they've realized it's pointless saying that any more

That young Turkish guy who slit a young woman's throat and stabbed another came out of the blue except to his immediate family and friends, they knew what he was like, but apparently didn't do enough to warn the broader community, if they did anything at all. One of them knew he got a large knife from the kitchen and was saying Allah Akbar a lot and enjoyed saying it

Perception and intuition need to come into play in such situations - What do we think would happen next once he had a large knife in his possession and mouthing Allah Akbar?

Family and friends, like the AFP, can't be relied upon to warn the community, so we need to be alert, have knowledge of muslims, where they live, their preferred places to attack, the weapons they use and the frequency they attack. There's been one attack a year since 2014, but in 2018 there was two, one in Feb and one in Nov.

When we deal with muslims, we are not dealing with open minds. They have a set religion and a set way of life, not to be deviated from. This includes disdain for infidel non-believers. As such, it becomes easier to predict what they will do, what they will say, and how they will act.

Perception and intuition won't be far wrong - family, friends and anyone else need to act on them. I predicted there'd be more attacks after the Parramatta shooting. We've had five more Islamic attacks since then

A different way of thinking about protecting ourselves is needed to save lives. The official way of leaving it to people who don't care about saving lives is not working. Innocent Aussies are still getting killed by Islamists   
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Reply #23 - Aug 21st, 2019 at 3:01pm
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 3:16pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 12:23pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 7:38am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 19th, 2019 at 4:08pm:
Why is this in philosophy?


Why do you ask?



Because it isn't philosophy.


I'm afraid it is

It's advocating greater use of personal perception and acting on it, rather than leaving things to chance and letting what others have implanted in our minds rule our minds



Philosophy (from Greek φιλοσοφία, philosophia, literally "love of wisdom") is the study of general and fundamental questions about existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.



I suppose since this whole thread lacks reason, you're probably right.


And the 'reason' you are here and posting to this topic is because...
The Australian philosophy you see here is not 'Greek' enough for you Bojack?
Oh you're a well-taught guy. Can't see you thinking for yourself as an Australian, unless its in Greek.  Roll Eyes
Are you here to 'correct' us like Thought Criminals?

You sit in your Hospital safe from harm.
While the Drug Dealers infect 'out there' in the world.
You leave the 'Drug' problem up to the Police.  Roll Eyes
We couldn't see you in the Night Clubs and Festivals taking on the Drug Dealers. With no competition out there, the Drug Dealers have an 'easy' prey of kids.




CLassical greek anyway, but theres extremism boards, why not go  there.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 21st, 2019 at 3:01pm:
but theres extremism boards, why not go  there.



Because finding ways to save lives by peaceful means is not extreme. It's only extreme to those who don't care about saving lives
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Reply #25 - Aug 22nd, 2019 at 7:24am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21st, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 21st, 2019 at 3:01pm:
but theres extremism boards, why not go  there.



Because finding ways to save lives by peaceful means is not extreme. It's only extreme to those who don't care about saving lives




Its extremism in the reference to why you're saving lives.
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Reply #26 - Aug 22nd, 2019 at 12:16pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 7:24am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21st, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 21st, 2019 at 3:01pm:
but theres extremism boards, why not go  there.



Because finding ways to save lives by peaceful means is not extreme. It's only extreme to those who don't care about saving lives




Its extremism in the reference to why you're saving lives.


Soccer Dive !!! Roll Eyes
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perception
|pərˈsep sh ən|
noun
the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses : the normal limits to human perception.
• the state of being or process of becoming aware of something in such a way : the perception of pain.
a way of regarding, understanding, or interpreting something; a mental impression : Hollywood's perception of the tastes of the American public | we need to challenge many popular perceptions of old age.
intuitive understanding and insight : “He wouldn't have accepted,” said my mother with unusual perception.

These human senses are being deadened by prevailing politics and political correctness, but most of all by relying on others to keep us safe - bad blunder! Keep yourself safe, sharpen your perception senses and act on them

I'm advocating that we change our minds about relying on current politics, politicians and the muslim community's reassurance that we are safe from Islamic attacks

Politics is so convincing at times, that we allow the 10% of our brains (that Einstein said we only use), to drop to 8%.

An 8% brain is a brainwashed brain. I'm advocating we strive for 11% or higher. Developing and sharpening our sense of perception and intuition can go a long way to achieving this - but we must practice

What do you do when you get a phone call out of the blue from a person with an Indian accent wanting you to check your internet connection when you know there's nothing wrong with your connection?  Well of course, you hang up the phone, like I did the other day with such a call. My connection is fine, as you can see

I was a bit rude, hanging up like that halfway through a conversation with a lovely multicultural female Indian person - what a shocking thing to do

I perceived that I might have been about to hand over my personal details and money to a stranger on the phone. Of course I couldn't be sure but better safe than sorry. My details and money are still safe, with me, where they belong

If we use our sense of perception and intuition and act on them, we have a far better chance of protecting ourselves from harm and loss of property than taking advise from biased and politically motivated members of our community who are in positions of power and influence, quite often the wrong influence regarding our personal safety, and that of our family and friends

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Reply #28 - Aug 22nd, 2019 at 2:53pm
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 12:16pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 7:24am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21st, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 21st, 2019 at 3:01pm:
but theres extremism boards, why not go  there.



Because finding ways to save lives by peaceful means is not extreme. It's only extreme to those who don't care about saving lives




Its extremism in the reference to why you're saving lives.


Soccer Dive !!! Roll Eyes




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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 2:53pm:
Cocaines a helluva drug


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Reply #30 - Aug 23rd, 2019 at 12:39am
 
intuition |ˌint(y)oōˈi sh ən|
noun
the ability to understand something immediately, without the need for conscious reasoning : we shall allow our intuition to guide us.
a thing that one knows or considers likely from instinctive feeling rather than conscious reasoning : your insights and intuitions as a native speaker are positively sought


Perception and intuition are linked together

Perception is the "conscious reasoning" .... and intuition is knowing instinctively what to do about that "reasoning", the understanding of a dangerous situation. In the case of Islam in Australia, it's the understanding that there are members of the muslim community who will emerge from the muslim mainstream with intent to murder and maim innocent people

Since 2014, this has happened once a year with the exception of 2018 when there was two in that year

Type of locations of attacks ...

Cafe  2014 (Monis)
Street 2015 (Parramatta police station)
Street 2016 (Minto)
Service station 2017 (Queenbeyan)
House 2018 (Mill Park, Vic)
Street 2018 (Bourke St, Melb)

Street attacks are more common than other location types, and densely populated cities are preferred, so far, for Islamic attacks

Knowledge of the frequency and preferred locations will assist our perception and intuition regarding future attacks - we need to give ourselves a chance to understand where and when attacks can take place            
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Reply #31 - Aug 26th, 2019 at 9:52am
 
Add 2019 street attack to that list (York St Sydney - but attack started indoors in unit in Clarence St, resulting in the killing of a young Aussie woman)


Months ...

The months attacks occured

Dec (2014)
Oct (2015)
Sep (2016)
April (2017)
Feb (2018)
Nov (2018)
Aug (2019)

Five of the attacks were in the second half of the year. Two were in the first half of the year

Based on the information so far, we can perceive that future attacks are more likely to happen in the second half of the year, and it's a good chance they will be "street" attacks

There is a lesser chance they will occur in the first half of the year, but as 2017 and 2018 show, but they can happen in the earlier months

The months of January, March, May, June and July appear to be relatively safe months. Our personal intuition, if used, will be telling us that the most dangerous time of the year is the last 6 months of each year

January seems to be a month of reprieve, but the months of Feb and April are not

If we change our minds about leaving things to chance, we can build up a perception within the Aussie community that brings to mind the potential danger based on specific information about Islamic attacks
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Reply #32 - Aug 26th, 2019 at 2:36pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 2:53pm:
Jasin wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 12:16pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 7:24am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21st, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 21st, 2019 at 3:01pm:
but theres extremism boards, why not go  there.



Because finding ways to save lives by peaceful means is not extreme. It's only extreme to those who don't care about saving lives




Its extremism in the reference to why you're saving lives.


Soccer Dive !!! Roll Eyes





Cocaines a helluva drug






As a pharmacologist [such as yourself], would well know!

Cocaine is a psychotropic drug BH.



Do you know what the word psychotropic means, BH ?




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Reply #33 - Aug 26th, 2019 at 4:32pm
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 26th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 2:53pm:
Jasin wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 12:16pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 7:24am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 21st, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 21st, 2019 at 3:01pm:
but theres extremism boards, why not go  there.



Because finding ways to save lives by peaceful means is not extreme. It's only extreme to those who don't care about saving lives




Its extremism in the reference to why you're saving lives.


Soccer Dive !!! Roll Eyes





Cocaines a helluva drug






As a pharmacologist [such as yourself], would well know!

Cocaine is a psychotropic drug BH.



Do you know what the word psychotropic means, BH ?







Yes, but so is alcohol so you're not really painting the drug that badly to be honest.



www search psychotropic
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Age

Age of attackers - starting from Numan Haider - September 2014

(Includes non-fatal as well as fatal attacks)


Numan Haider (Endeavour Hills stabbings (2014)                                          
18
yr old

Mohammad-Hassan Manteghi Borujerdi (Man Monis) (Sydney attack 2014)    
50
yr old

Iranian-born Iraqi-Kurdish (Parramatta shooting 2015)                                 
15
yr old

Ihsas Khan, from Bangladesh (Minto stabbing attack 2016)                           
22
yr old

Two Allahu Akbaring teenagers, (Queanbeyan stabbing attacks 2017)            
15
and
16
yr old

Somali-born Islamist Yacqub Khayre, (Brighton siege 2017)                         
29
yr old

Hassan Khalif Shire Ali, from samalia (Melbourne stabbing attack 2018)         
20
yr old

Mert Ney, Turkish (Sydney stabbing attack 2019)                                        
20
yr old


What we can perceive here is that the 50 yr old should have known better given his age. But he was a wanted criminal and a suspect in a murder. So older muslims can be suspected of attacks if the Immigration Department lets criminal older muslims into Australia

The rest are either teenagers, or in their twenties. Young muslims have little maturity or worldly intelligence to make accurate assessments of where Islam stands in the international political and cultural world, so our intuition is more important than our perception in these cases, we know what young people are mostly like in advance

Our intuition gives us the understanding that young people in their teens or twenties can get up to anything bad without thinking about what they're doing. We're not really surprised when such young people are arrested, booked, fined, jailed or whatever. Our pre-perception is mostly correct by default

Intuition means quickly applying "Fight" or "Flight". Some of us choose to flee, and some of us choose to fight. "Fleeing" will save your life if the attacker only has a knife, provided you are enough distance from the attacker to start with. If the attacker is firing a gun, the best way to flee is to duck, weave and zigzag while running

"Fight" is applied when you find yourself unable to escape the attacker and you do your best to ward off swipes of the knife, then further applying self defense tactics to injure and immobilize the attacker

Two good examples of "Fight" were the police in Melbourne warding off blows from Hassan Khalif Shire Ali before they finally shot him dead, and the citizens who pinned Mert Ney to the pavement disabling him before police arrived to apprehend him

So the majority of these attackers were aged up to 29 yrs, with only one being much older at 50 yrs. This should tell you that young muslims are more dangerous than older generation muslims, by 7 to 1 according to the list above. That's the perception part of it, the conscious reasoning, the knowledge of the extent of the danger when you're in the street in densely populated cities and suburbs in the latter half of the year and sometimes in certain earlier months 
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Reply #35 - Sep 10th, 2019 at 10:05pm
 
Attire


Type of clothing worn by the attackers - but first ....

Beyond the Clothing: Behaviors and Manners

Islamic clothing is but one aspect of modesty. More importantly, one must be modest in behavior, manners, speech, and appearance in public. The dress is only one aspect of the total being and one that merely reflects what is present
on the inside of a person's heart
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Abdul Numan Haider - ISIS type clothing, Western type clothing
...


Man Monis was nearly always seen in traditional Middle Eastern muslim attire
...


This guy in Melbourne wore a 3/4 length black robe split on the sides
...


This guy in Sydney wore Western style clothing
...



A 24-year-old Bangladeshi muslim woman charged over the stabbing attack in Melbourne was wearing a "black burka", it was understood - no pic because muslim women wearing burkas all look the same

"Ms Shoma had arrived the day before the incident and had planned to stay for about 10 days."

"Police said she had been enrolling in a course at La Trobe University and that it was understood she was wearing a black burqa"
.



The others I'm not sure about. The attire so far, worn by the attackers could be about 50/50 islamic muslim attire, and Western attire (Western attire worn by the younger attackers, in Sydney and Queanbeyan)

You can picture in your mind future attackers having either type of clothing, with the older muslim attackers most likely dressed in islamic traditional clothing, and the younger attackers probably will wear Western style clothing, but a young muslim woman was "understood" to be wearing a burka

We can perceive and intuit all this without Government interference or breaking any law. Perception is a very powerful tool if we use it and act accordingly to what it is telling us, to avoid future attacks

There are high ranking people in Australia now saying what the Mayor of London is saying: "Muslims will attack you in the future, it's a fact of life that muslims are unwilling to stop" - words to that affect
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Reply #36 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 11:00pm
 
Victims


The people maimed or killed by muslim attackers in NSW and Victoria


My research so far reveals that muslims don't discriminate between ethnic groups when they attack people 


Counter Terrorism officer
(survived, unknown ethnicity) - stabbed three times by Abdul Numan Haider - Melbourne


Cafe Manager
shot and killied, and
hostage
killed accidentally by SWAT (both Anglo) - by Mohammed Hassan Manteghi Borujerdi (Man Monis) - Sydney


Police Station employee
(Asian appearance) shot and killed by 15-year-old Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar - Parramatta, Sydney


Man walking his dog
(of Anglo appearance, survived) - repeatedly stabbed by Ihsas Khan - Minto NSW


Service Station attendant
(Pakistani descent) killed and one other man injured - The teenage killers cannot be named - Queanbeyan, NSW


Female Receptionist
(possibly Chinese descent) shot and killed - by Yacqub Khayre - Brighton, Vic


Sleeping 56 year old man
(of Indian descent, survived) stabbed in neck by Momena Shoma - Mill Park, Vic


Three pedestrians
, one stabbed and killed (Italian), two stabbed (survived) by Hassan Khalif Shire Ali - Melbourne


Woman
stabbed and killed (Anglo), another injured (of Asian appearance) by Mert Nev - Sydney CBD


All victims were unaware of what was about to happen to them. This is why it's very important for us Aussies to keep our eyes open for sudden strange behavior by anyone who is of muslim appearance, or even when muslims are in close proximity to you - be aware of possible danger

I'm sure that the attitude of the victims, before they were killed or injured, was that they would never let terrorists change their way of life - some of those victims can't hold that honorable attitude anymore, they are dead, killed by muslim terrorists

All Aussies must perceive that muslim attacks may continue and be prepared by honing our skills of perception and intuition. Be knowledgeable about the times, the kinds of places and the types of people who could possibly embark on an attack

So far attacks have occurred once or twice a year, mainly in streets in big cities, by young muslims with knives voicing "Allah Akbar" and not caring if they die on not 
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Reply #37 - Sep 25th, 2019 at 8:53pm
 
(Hong Kong) They'll be battered, they'll be bruised and many will be killed.
But I believe that they will prevail under duress of the entire length of WW3.
...rather than be 'exterminated in their entirety' which is the only other option China has.

This must be the slowest start of any war in the modern era.
Chinese pour into Russian lands as 'Free Settlers', though many are in Military Uniform keeping Law and Order there too. Putin fears China, probably more than the USA. Because the USA is not invading Russia (though the USA is making strong friends with the Ukraine: The Heart of Great Slavia<Slave>), like China is currently without opposition. Putin tries to entice Russians back out into those Siberian Lands with 'free' lands and homes - but no-one takes up those offers with any great enthusiasm like what the USSR offered, when it stole Siberia from the Yellow Man.

China and Russia will be at War soon.
(or, as Nostrodamus put it "Sino v Russo War")

Even Indonesia is cracking. For long, the Gangs ruled the cities, more so than the Police. Indigenous Peoples took to the streets from out of the junlges fully 'armed' with traditional dress and weapons in cultural pride. The Indigenous Borneans came out like Maori Warriors!!!! All looking for the blood of Moslems.
Throw in the Irian Jayan Genocide of Papuans and how more and more 'full metal jacket' Papuans and even Solomon Islanders are stacking the PNG border with Indonesia.
The Phillipines see Indonesia as the main perpetrator of Terrorism in the australasian (West of the Wallace Line) and Melanesia (East of the Wallace Line) areas. The Phillipines have declared 'War' on Terrorism and its just a formality for them to join others to destroy it out these areas that it is associated with, more than mainland Asia.
Throw in the Timorese, the Balinese (a lot of them 'white') and now the Indonesian Students rioting.

Well its bye bye Islamic Indonesia, let alone half of Indonesia itself.
Islam will only reach as far as Malaysia, for the Island Nations have renounced it.

Then there are the Moslems of the Middle-East (Holy Land), that is ruled by the Jews of Jerusalem (Holy City).
Who come to odds with the Christians of Europe (Holy Ghost) who serve only the Zoroastrians (Holy Temple).

Well the Moslems will soon do to the French
what the Germans did to the Jews.
Doesn't help when Britain 'Falters' and falls away from the EU and sets in motion for other nations to follow Politically, like a House of Cards. Leaving France standing alone basically, holding the last remains of the E.U.
(You think the burning of Notre Dame was bad.)
Signs. Portents.
Surely 'Science' can figure that one out?  Huh Cheesy Roll Eyes

All this because the Italians will later get the 'unarmed' Moslems and the Jews will come to the aid of the Moslems and go the Italians as the new 'Super Power' of the Military World. Then finally it will be Britain's turn to face a United Islam/Israel (IstarI) as it gives up the Christian 'Holy Ghost' once and for all.
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Reply #38 - Nov 29th, 2019 at 1:45am
 
Motives
(some research was necessary)

Why do muslims intentionally go out and try to kill people? - and do kill people

Their motives are not always clear and we're left guessing most of the time. Some say they don't have motives, they're just mentally ill. There might be a good case for this because normal people don't go around stabbing people in the street, however muslims seem to embark on these type of killing sprees more than any other religion in Australia

So is it possible that there are more mentally ill people in the muslim community than there are in other communities, religious or otherwise?, I can't be sure

But there's a number of reasons why I would dispel mental illness as the reason for muslim attacks: Firstly, muslims object to Western allies fighting in the Middle East. Secondly, the attacks are usually accompanied by "Allah Akbar" (God is Great)

Thirdly, we also know there are "Believers" and "Non-believers", and that muslims (Believers) have a disdain for non-believers (anyone who is not of the Islamic faith)

Fourthly, muslims don't like democracy, nor do they like the Western style clothing worn by women

It's difficult to say whether all these are added together in the mind of a muslim attacker, but the one motive that stands out more than all the others is the objection to the presence of Western Allies in the Middle East.

The United States is now reducing troops and activities in the Middle East and I guess Australia will follow suit. President Trump said "It's not the job of the US military to police the World" - and he's absolutely right. The military's job is to only counter direct threats to the United States, not to invent, instigate or imagine threats against it, as the Deep State and some past Presidents have done.

With this reduction, muslim attacks will perhaps wane in Western nations, one can only hope, but reduction alone or even a pull-out from the Middle East doesn't guarantee an end to the attacks because new motives could come to light and of course there's all the other existing motives which are about muslims versus non-muslims and less about interference in the Middle East 

In the future, muslims may get angry and commit attacks if Sharia law is not allowed   

An unfavourable decision by the Land and Environment Court might spark an attack

History may repeat itself with another "Cronulla" occurring, initiated by muslims attacking female sunbathers

Everyone should keep all these motives in mind as we go about our daily lives


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Reply #39 - Nov 29th, 2019 at 7:10am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 29th, 2019 at 1:45am:
Motives
(some research was necessary)


Why do muslims intentionally go out and try to kill people? - and do kill people



Their motives are not always clear       and we're left guessing most of the time.

Some say they don't have motives, they're just mentally ill.

There might be a good case for this because normal people don't go around stabbing people in the street, however muslims seem to embark on these type of killing sprees more than any other religion in Australia......




Q.
'Why do muslims intentionally go out and try to kill people? - and  do kill people'



A.
Coz they      ARE      moslems [followers of ISLAM].    [To many, that is an unpalatable truth.]




'Their motives [for seeking to kill us] are not always clear'



Not so !!!!

The 'motives' of the followers of ISLAM [in seeking to kill us], have ALWAYS been clear, to the followers of ISLAM.

And in unguarded moments, the followers of ISLAM themselves, will often, openly declare those 'motives'.


Hatred of all non-moslems, is a PRIMARY religious precept, of ISLAM.

And ISLAM teaches the psyche of its followers, that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue !

It is intellectually dishonest, to deny those facts.




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Douglas Murray          argues why the mass migration of people from 'diverse cultures' into Europe, in recent decades, has been an absolute disaster.



Worth a viewing....

Douglas Murray_ Have We Had Enough Diversity

19 min
https://youtu.be/9ox-9OyvtJs




[n.b.     if the YT link 'disappears', search the title, in a YT page. you may find another copy.]



@ 8.48
[ISLAMIC terrorism, in Europe].....
"ISLAMIC extremism only comes from the ISLAMIC religion, and from followers of it...."



@ 9.38
[ISLAMIC terrorism, in Europe].....
"The public have a right to look at politicians and say, 'Look, this is a problem you brought in.' "




'Diversity' [which is inclusive of ISLAM], 2000 through 2019, means we must accept being murdered by people, whom our politicians say, we must accept living along side us in our suburbs, as fellow citizens,
coz, we will all be called 'racists' if we reject the 'enrichment' which their [violent, corrupting] culture brings to us.

And we just can't 'tolerate' that  [....being called 'racists'] !




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Hatred of all non-moslems, is a PRIMARY religious precept, of ISLAM....



"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4


"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101


"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


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Quote:

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."


- ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......PROMOTING, JUSTIFYING, ISLAM's VIOLENT JIHAD




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IMAGE...
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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior


January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."


Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...



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Reply #40 - Nov 29th, 2019 at 7:38am
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 29th, 2019 at 7:10am:
Quote:

'Their motives [for seeking to kill us] are not always clear'





Not so !!!!

The 'motives' of the followers of ISLAM [in seeking to kill us], have ALWAYS been clear, to the followers of ISLAM.


And in unguarded moments, the followers of ISLAM themselves, will often, openly declare those 'motives'.







A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing.

Quote:

Inside the sect that loves terror
August 07, 2005


......In public interviews         
Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.




Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

“Yes I condemn killing any     innocent people,     but not any kuffar.”



these are old links, but the article is kosher.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html
another source, "Undercover in the academy of hatred"...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458729/posts




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Quote:

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004

"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents.

Only between Muslims and unbelievers.


And the life of an unbeliever has no value.

It has no sanctity."



http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true

this is an old link, but the article is kosher.




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Spokesmen for ISLAM will publicly tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.



Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."




Hello !   This is a new, functioning YT link, 2019-10-27

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Reply #41 - Nov 29th, 2019 at 10:13am
 
"And the life of an unbeliever has no value.

It has no sanctity."



This thread is about instilling in Aussies' minds that we have value and how we can protect ourselves from muslim attacks

We can't tell exact times and places future attacks will happen, but we can be on guard by acquiring knowledge of past attacks and assess the probability of future attacks happening in the same types of places and times of day

However, new places for Australia could be trains, train stations, sporting field grandstands. New times could be evenings, later in the night where crowds gather

Traditional Aussies' need to have the self-protection priority further up in their minds now that muslims are in our midst

Contrary to populist belief among the progressive humanists, muslim attackers are not a separate entity from the mainstream muslim community, they emerged from that Koranic community with thoughts in their heads that the Koran demands - take action against those who are not of the Islamic faith, and those who vote for governments who fight muslims in Islamic nations

Since the politicians are intent on bringing this "enemy" through our gates, it's up to us Aussies to protect ourselves by perceiving the possibility of danger and act intuitively if we find ourselves in such danger



PS no need for extra long posts Yadda. Just a few main points will suffice, with explanations of how best Aussies can protect themselves from muslim attacks and ensure survival
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Reply #42 - Nov 29th, 2019 at 10:44am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 29th, 2019 at 10:13am:

Quote:
"And the life of an unbeliever has no value.

It has no sanctity."
- Spoken by a moslem community leader in the UK


This thread is about instilling in Aussies' minds that we have value and how we can protect ourselves from muslim attacks


......PS no need for extra long posts Yadda.

Just a few main points will suffice, with explanations of how best Aussies can protect themselves from muslim attacks and ensure survival




Ordinary Aussies CANNOT protect themselves, perse, from attacks by the followers of ISLAM.

Because ordinary Aussie citizens CANNOT prevent such attacks from [actually] happening.  !!!

Think about that truth.



Only the executive arm of the Australian government has [the authority and] 1/ the practical means, and 2/ the legislative means,
to protect Australian citizens, from persistent and continued attacks by the followers of ISLAM [who live among us in Australia].

So far, no Australian government has shown any interest in taking any steps to PREVENT such persistent and continued attacks by the followers of ISLAM [who live among us in Australia], from happening.






WHAT TO DO ?


i.e.
What COULD the Australian government do, to remove the threat of persistent and continued attacks by the followers of ISLAM [who live among us in Australia] ?

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QUARANTINE WORKS!!

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/34#34



and....
The argument for administrative detention, for all 'Aussie' followers of ISLAM

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/0#0




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Yadda wrote on Nov 29th, 2019 at 10:44am:
The argument for administrative detention, for all 'Aussie' followers of ISLAM

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/0#0



You could establish ghettos separating them from the rest of the population.

Hmmm.........now where did that sort of thing happen before?
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Reply #45 - Nov 30th, 2019 at 9:48pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30th, 2019 at 10:06am:
Yadda wrote on Nov 29th, 2019 at 10:44am:
The argument for administrative detention, for all 'Aussie' followers of ISLAM

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/0#0



You could establish ghettos separating them from the rest of the population.

Hmmm.........now where did that sort of thing happen before?






A moslem, isn't a Jew.

Never was, never will be.



FURTHER ARGUMENTS IN DEFENCE OF MY POSITION, BELOW......



Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2
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MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever      any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.






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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda



QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?







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ISLAM




"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570181457/0#0
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....
IT HAPPENS,    .....AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN.



A follower of ISLAM, living in the West, decides;


'Now is the moment!    .....that i need to prove to Allah, that i love HIS religion!'




But why ?

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The Koran, is ISLAM's preeminent 'instruction manual' for the devout moslem.

The Koran, is ISLAM's PRIMARY and ISLAM's foundational religious text.



And what does the Koran instruct ????


"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


THE DEATH CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT, OF ALLEGIANCE TO ALLAH's RELIGION...


"Say: "...If ye think that ye are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!"  "
Koran 62.06


....n.b.    Koran 62.06 is admonishing the believer, that his only true love, in this life [if he is a true moslem], is to die, fighting in Allah's cause. !!!



The heart of ISLAM, is the Koran
  [and at heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].





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Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.




Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1536141258/46#46

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/0#0



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After the fall of Germany, then France and after came Italy.
It was Britain's turn to 'carry their cross' back to the Middle-East before a 'Unified' Islam & Israel known as IstarI (is-ta-ri).
And thus Christianity was destroyed forever...
like a Gelfling returning the lost shard to the Dark Crystal.

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Reply #47 - Nov 30th, 2019 at 10:11pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 30th, 2019 at 10:00pm:

After the fall of Germany, then France and after came Italy.
It was Britain's turn to 'carry their cross' back to the Middle-East before a 'Unified' Islam & Israel known as IstarI (is-ta-ri).
And thus Christianity was destroyed forever...
like a Gelfling returning the lost shard to the Dark Crystal.

Grin




Jasin is a fantasist.

Jasin expresses a fantasist trope,      intended to confuse,     NOT to explain or clarify.



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Yadda is a realist.

Yadda tells what is real, and what is      PROVABLE,      to any reasonable person.





Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2
Quote:

MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever      any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.






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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda



QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?






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Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.




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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1536141258/46#46

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/0#0



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JaSin knows more about Religion as a whole,
than Yadda does.
Yadda knows a room. JaSin knows the Building it is found in.
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Reply #49 - Nov 30th, 2019 at 10:25pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 30th, 2019 at 10:18pm:

JaSin knows more about Religion as a whole,
than Yadda does.

Yadda knows a room.

JaSin knows the Building it is found in.






Yadda said.....
Quote:

Jasin is a fantasist.







Q.
Who are ya gonna believe ?


That choice, belongs to YOU.





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JaSin is unfettered.
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Jasin wrote on Nov 30th, 2019 at 10:28pm:

JaSin is unfettered.





JaSin       WANTS       to be as unfettered a bull, in a china shop.


Big difference.



Yadda said.....
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JaSin going to bed.
Gonna dream of Yadda wearing a face-hugger.
Everyone needs a hug.
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Jasin is a DUCK.

Quack, quack.

.....pretending to be a Mallard.




Jasin pretends not to walk like a DUCK.

And Jasin pretends not to quack like a DUCK.

But Jasin is a DUCK.



Quack, quack.



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Reply #54 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 12:03am
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 29th, 2019 at 10:44am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 29th, 2019 at 10:13am:

Quote:
"And the life of an unbeliever has no value.

It has no sanctity."
- Spoken by a moslem community leader in the UK


This thread is about instilling in Aussies' minds that we have value and how we can protect ourselves from muslim attacks




Ordinary Aussies CANNOT protect themselves, perse, from attacks by the followers of ISLAM.

Because ordinary Aussie citizens CANNOT prevent such attacks from [actually] happening.  !!!

Think about that truth.





Think about what I said previously ....

"We can't tell exact times and places future attacks will happen, but we can be on guard by acquiring knowledge of past attacks and assess the probability of future attacks happening in the same types of places and times of day"


London just witnessed an attack on a bridge .... the second attack on the SAME BRIDGE, two years and five months after the first attack.

This what I'm getting at. If Londoners don't do something about muslim attacks, there may well be another attack on that bridge in two or three years time. This second attack yesterday was because of Al-Qaeda apparently, a different motive than ISIS, but we don't yet know what it's all about. In both attacks knives were used. While the first attack was in June, this second attack was during this month, November, in the latter six months of the year. This latest attacker was in his twenties, common for muslim attackers

For us Aussies, we need to create a strong perception of what can happen here, and be aware that there is increased danger in CBDs than there was decades ago. Three muslims were just given jail terms for acquiring materials for bomb making and for acquiring machetes. They said they couldn't say "no" to their muslim friends who were talking about terrorist attacks - a very flippant excuse. Most likely they would have carried out the attack had they not been videoed or dobbed in.


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Reply #55 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 6:32am
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 29th, 2019 at 10:44am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 29th, 2019 at 10:13am:

Quote:
"And the life of an unbeliever has no value.

It has no sanctity."
- Spoken by a moslem community leader in the UK


This thread is about instilling in Aussies' minds that we have value and how we can protect ourselves from muslim attacks




Ordinary Aussies CANNOT protect themselves,
      per se, from attacks by the followers of ISLAM.

Because ordinary Aussie citizens CANNOT prevent such attacks from [actually] happening.  !!!

Think about that truth.








Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 12:03am:

For us Aussies, we need to create a strong perception of what can happen here...





In response.....

We need to create a strong      public perception      of what can happen,
      ....to those who plan and carry out acts of terrorism, within Australia.

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Reply #56 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 10:08am
 
Bias, why did you start this thread in Philosophy?

Are you trying to ensure there is at least one Muslim bashing thread in every board?
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The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 10:08am:
Bias, why did you start this thread in Philosophy?

Are you trying to ensure there is at least one Muslim bashing thread in every board?


Not at all, and it's not a muslim bashing thread

It's about protecting ourselves by using a different method than just taking chances re: muslim attacks

We have at our disposal in our minds "Perception" and "Intuition", these are in short supply due to the fact that we take too many things for granted in our so called "safe" society

Let's take a parent or grandparent who allows their 6 year old child to play in the yard which has no fencing. The child is then snatched by someone and whisked away in a vehicle never to be seen again.

The parent or grandparent failed to use their perception to realize the danger, danger we have these days, and failed to act intuitively to do something about retrieving the child even though there was no danger at that moment. Perception is best acted upon before situations become dangerous for you or your loved ones, better safe than sorry

Today, perception of danger is replaced by "I can't think that, I might be inadvertently accusing someone of wrong doing, I'd better think purer thoughts"

In the case of muslim attacks, our perception and intuition are handy tools, but only if we use them. The societal environment we live in is dangerous in certain places and at certain times. It doesn't really pay to leave things to chance
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Reply #58 - Dec 4th, 2019 at 9:38pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 1:39pm:
It's about protecting ourselves by using a different method than just taking chances re: muslim attacks

We have at our disposal in our minds "Perception" and "Intuition", these are in short supply due to the fact that we take too many things for granted in our so called "safe" society



If we are to look at this from a philosophical point of view then I would say that we should do absolutely nothing to protect ourselves from terrorist attacks.

Human fear is not a rational emotion. Our fear of snakes and sharks is out of all proportion to the danger they pose to us.
On average in Australia there are 1.5 shark fatalities and 2 snake fatalities. We are actually far more likely to drown.

Probably the most dangerous thing most of us will ever do is get into a car. Yet most of us are only to happy to drive around,  sometimes just for fun. The biggest killers are car accidents, suicide, accidental falls, heart disease and lung cancer. All highly preventable.

So if you are concerned about premature death, there are many other things you need to worry about and should protect ourselves from, other than terrorism.
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Reply #59 - Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:10am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 4th, 2019 at 9:38pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 1:39pm:
It's about protecting ourselves by using a different method than just taking chances re: muslim attacks

We have at our disposal in our minds "Perception" and "Intuition", these are in short supply due to the fact that we take too many things for granted in our so called "safe" society



If we are to look at this from a philosophical point of view then I would say that we should do absolutely nothing to protect ourselves from terrorist attacks.

Human fear is not a rational emotion. Our fear of snakes and sharks is out of all proportion to the danger they pose to us.
On average in Australia there are 1.5 shark fatalities and 2 snake fatalities. We are actually far more likely to drown.

Probably the most dangerous thing most of us will ever do is get into a car. Yet most of us are only to happy to drive around,  sometimes just for fun. The biggest killers are car accidents, suicide, accidental falls, heart disease and lung cancer. All highly preventable.

So if you are concerned about premature death, there are many other things you need to worry about and should protect ourselves from, other than terrorism.


I would disagree with the highlighted bit entirely. The only reason you're saying "do nothing" is because you regard terrorism as being far less important than those other dangers you mentioned, car accidents, suicide etc

It's strange that you say they are preventable and yet you seem to imply that terrorism is not preventable and therefore no one can do anything about it, just let people be killed because when "your number is up, it's up". Is that what you're trying to say?

Your philosophical view on terrorism of "do absolutely nothing about protecting ourselves" is actually very disturbing, I hope you don't expect me to hold that view

My view is that we can be knowledgeable about the places, times, the people, the motives and politics of wannabe attackers and once we have all that knowledge it will become like a second nature to avoid certain people, especially if they sport beards, and avoid certain places at certain times. Already we know that CBDs during the daytime are favored targets. We know that knifes are the preferred weapons

We need to change from our complacent "Leaving it to chance" - to - "Learn and be smart"

Are you saying the guys on the London bridge shouldn't have tried to stop that attacker the other day, that they should have just stood back and watch more people get stabbed? You reckon absolutely nothing should be done, don't you? Very disturbing mentality you have there

The thing is he was released half way through his sentence .... now, will the offenders in Goulburn supermax be let out early? This is something we'll need to know, and a whole lot more, to acquire a natural instinct about protecting ourselves
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Moslems are a
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As there are NO individual Moslems coming out in Australia to denounce their association with their fellow Terrorists and helping the cause against them -
THEY ARE ALL TERRORISTS
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Jasin wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 10:40am:
Moslems are a
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As there are NO individual Moslems coming out in Australia to denounce their association with their fellow Terrorists and helping the cause against them -
THEY ARE ALL TERRORISTS
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Let's not turn this thread into a muslim bashing thread JaSin. Some muslims have denounced violence and seem sincere .... but, the attacks still continue. So yes, perhaps the muslim community isn't doing quite enough within their own community to quell thoughts of violence. They could start with their teenagers and twenty year olds. Then the Imams could check their own preaching for any sign of "us" against "them" (muslims against non-muslim), before preaching in mosques or in literature

In the meantime we can take precautions to protect ourselves from future attacks by doing our best to not be where we perceive an attack could take place

Before we go out anywhere, we should ask ourselves, "Am I going into a place where attacks have occurred already, and what is the risk factor if I find myself in that place while out and about?"
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Right-wing extremist found guilty of plotting attacks on Melbourne 'left' centres

"Right-wing extremist Phillip Galea, 35, was found guilty of planning and preparing a terror attack after he spoke to an associate about targeting a left-wing rally with chemical bombs."

"Galea was also found guilty of creating a document called the "Patriot's Cookbook", described as a terrorist how-to-guide by prosecutors."


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Dear oh dear.



Yeah, dear oh dear.
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Reply #64 - Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:16pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 1:41pm:
Dear oh dear.



Yeah, dear oh dear.


Terrible, isn't it.

Right-wing/white nationalist/neo-Nazi terrorists are responsible for the majority of attacks in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Europe, the UK, etc.

And they're just getting worse.

Dear oh dear oh dear.


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Reply #65 - Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:17pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:16pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 1:41pm:
Dear oh dear.



Yeah, dear oh dear.


Terrible, isn't it.

Right-wing/white nationalist/neo-Nazi terrorists are responsible for the majority of attacks in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Europe, the UK, etc.

And they're just getting worse.

Dear oh dear oh dear.





You've done this nonsense already a coupla times, Turd.

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Reply #66 - Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:19pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:17pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:16pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 1:41pm:
Dear oh dear.



Yeah, dear oh dear.


Terrible, isn't it.

Right-wing/white nationalist/neo-Nazi terrorists are responsible for the majority of attacks in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA, Europe, the UK, etc.

And they're just getting worse.

Dear oh dear oh dear.





You've done this nonsense already a coupla times, Turd.



It's not nonsense - it's a fact.

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Reply #67 - Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:27pm
 
It's nonsense, Turd. Bwianesque nonsense and you never tire of repeating it, stuck as it is in the s-bend of what you are pleased to call your mind.

Islamic terrorism and crime is WAY out of proportion to their number.




https://www.9news.com.au/terrorism


A Sydney man is accused of being an ISIS recruit who downloaded information on weapons and tried to radicalise teenagers online.
Youssef Uweinat, 21, was arrested this morning by the NSW Joint Counter Terrorism Team and is set to be charged with terrorism offences.


Police arrest three in Sydney counterterrorism raids, accuse one of planning attack


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Reply #68 - Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:30pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:27pm:
It's nonsense, Turd. Bwianesque nonsense and you never tire of repeating it, stuck as it is in the s-bend of what you are pleased to call your mind.

Islamic terrorism and crime is WAY out of proportion to their number.


Not nonsense - facts.

Here's an example, from the US:

"From 2009 through 2018, right-wing extremists accounted for 73 percent of such killings, according to the ADL, compared with 23 percent for Islamists and 3 percent for left-wing extremists."

Killings.  Not graffiti attacks.

Right-wing extremists accounted for 73 percent of terrorist killings.
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Reply #69 - Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:58pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:30pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:27pm:
It's nonsense, Turd. Bwianesque nonsense and you never tire of repeating it, stuck as it is in the s-bend of what you are pleased to call your mind.

Islamic terrorism and crime is WAY out of proportion to their number.


Not nonsense - facts.

Here's an example, from the US:

"From 2009 through 2018, right-wing extremists accounted for 73 percent of such killings, according to the ADL, compared with 23 percent for Islamists and 3 percent for left-wing extremists."

Killings.  Not graffiti attacks.

Right-wing extremists accounted for 73 percent of terrorist killings.


73 is more than 23, isn't it Frank?
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Reply #70 - Dec 5th, 2019 at 3:29pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:10am:
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My view is that we can be knowledgeable about the places, times, the people, the motives and politics of wannabe attackers and once we have all that knowledge it will become like a second nature to avoid certain people, especially if they sport beards, and avoid certain places at certain times. Already we know that CBDs during the daytime are favored targets. We know that knifes are the preferred weapons

We need to change from our complacent "Leaving it to chance" - to - "Learn and be smart"


But how likely are we to actually be killed by a terrorist?
In the list of causes of death in Australia, it barely even ranks.

If you are concerned about premature death then you would be far better to concentrate on far more likely causes of death such as car accidents, heart disease etc.

To give an example: A colleague of mine once said that their fear of terrorism meant that they avoided driving on The Westgate bridge and the City Link tunnels (in Melbourne). Both these roads are freeways and are very safe to drive on. So by avoiding them, this person was actually putting their life at greater risk by driving on more dangerous roads.
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Reply #71 - Dec 5th, 2019 at 3:39pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:27pm:
A Sydney man is accused of being an ISIS recruit who downloaded information on weapons and tried to radicalise teenagers online.
Youssef Uweinat, 21, was arrested this morning by the NSW Joint Counter Terrorism Team and is set to be charged with terrorism offences.


Police arrest three in Sydney counterterrorism raids, accuse one of planning attack



That's on topic for this thread and relevant to "Islamic Attacks-Should Aussies Protect Themselves"

There's a glimmer of hope that politicians will wake up to themselves after the London attack. The politicians are running out of justifications why these Islamic attacks should be "Part and Parcel" of our daily lives

If family domestic violence can't be justified, then how can Islamic attacks be justified?

But as a British writer said ....

"There is also a tragic, suicidal and sacrificial quality to our diversity stupidity"

Yes, let's have more diversity - even if the politicians have to justify Islamic attacks, what does a few dead innocent people in the streets matter, every so often?
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Reply #72 - Dec 5th, 2019 at 3:45pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 3:39pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:27pm:
A Sydney man is accused of being an ISIS recruit who downloaded information on weapons and tried to radicalise teenagers online.
Youssef Uweinat, 21, was arrested this morning by the NSW Joint Counter Terrorism Team and is set to be charged with terrorism offences.


Police arrest three in Sydney counterterrorism raids, accuse one of planning attack



That's on topic for this thread and relevant to "Islamic Attacks-Should Aussies Protect Themselves"

There's a glimmer of hope that politicians will wake up to themselves after the London attack. The politicians are running out of justifications why these Islamic attacks should be "Part and Parcel" of our daily lives

If family domestic violence can't be justified, then how can Islamic attacks be justified?

But as a British writer said ....

"There is also a tragic, suicidal and sacrificial quality to our diversity stupidity"

Yes, let's have more diversity - even if the politicians have to justify Islamic attacks, what does a few dead innocent people in the streets matter, every so often?


Just what I thought.
Nothing to do with philosophy, just another Muslim bashing thread
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Reply #73 - Dec 5th, 2019 at 5:01pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 3:45pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 3:39pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 2:27pm:
A Sydney man is accused of being an ISIS recruit who downloaded information on weapons and tried to radicalise teenagers online.
Youssef Uweinat, 21, was arrested this morning by the NSW Joint Counter Terrorism Team and is set to be charged with terrorism offences.


Police arrest three in Sydney counterterrorism raids, accuse one of planning attack



That's on topic for this thread and relevant to "Islamic Attacks-Should Aussies Protect Themselves"

There's a glimmer of hope that politicians will wake up to themselves after the London attack. The politicians are running out of justifications why these Islamic attacks should be "Part and Parcel" of our daily lives

If family domestic violence can't be justified, then how can Islamic attacks be justified?

But as a British writer said ....

"There is also a tragic, suicidal and sacrificial quality to our diversity stupidity"

Yes, let's have more diversity - even if the politicians have to justify Islamic attacks, what does a few dead innocent people in the streets matter, every so often?


Just what I thought.
Nothing to do with philosophy, just another Muslim bashing thread


That last post of mine was bashing politicians, not bashing muslims

Nevertheless, read the opening post again ...

A bit from it ...

"It can be figuring out how often the attacks occur to know and remember the frequency at which they happen. They happen when we least expect them, so knowing how often would be helpful. We can avoid contact with muslims (in public places) Building up our psyche to avoid muslims will carry through to all aspects of your life, it will become automatic and go a long way to make us safer than those who ignore the danger"


We can change our minds about leaving things to chance. We can adopt a personal policy of assessing risk and do our own appraisal of potential danger of muslim attacks

Philosophically it's: "Leaving things to chance" versus "Personally and consciously assessing risk then acting accordingly"




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Reply #74 - Dec 6th, 2019 at 3:25pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 5:01pm:
We can change our minds about leaving things to chance. We can adopt a personal policy of assessing risk and do our own appraisal of potential danger of muslim attacks

Philosophically it's: "Leaving things to chance" versus "Personally and consciously assessing risk then acting accordingly"



And the risk is minimal.
As I've already pointed out. The risk of being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is negligible compared to other much more common causes of premature death. In fact I would consider it alarmist.
But that seems to be something that you don't want to hear.
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Reply #75 - Dec 6th, 2019 at 9:20pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 3:25pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 5:01pm:
We can change our minds about leaving things to chance. We can adopt a personal policy of assessing risk and do our own appraisal of potential danger of muslim attacks

Philosophically it's: "Leaving things to chance" versus "Personally and consciously assessing risk then acting accordingly"



And the risk is minimal.
As I've already pointed out. The risk of being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is negligible compared to other much more common causes of premature death. In fact I would consider it alarmist.
But that seems to be something that you don't want to hear.



"premature death" - That's right, victims die a premature death, and you shun your responsibility to protecting fellow Aussies by saying "we should do nothing about Islamic attacks". It's very disturbing how you think

I hope you're not like Gandalf who just considers the victims as statistics, but apparently you are, and the victims mean nothing to you

I reckon the guy who used that milk crate to pin down Mert Nay might say you're a bit of a slacker
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Reply #76 - Dec 7th, 2019 at 10:06am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 9:20pm:
you shun your responsibility to protecting fellow Aussies


Not at all.
That is a completely different question. Can you please stop moving the goal posts
I was responding to this post:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:10am:
My view is that we can be knowledgeable about the places, times, the people, the motives and politics of wannabe attackers and once we have all that knowledge it will become like a second nature to avoid certain people and avoid certain places at certain times.


We already have a police force, and anti terrorism task forces for minimizing the risk of terrorism.
You are saying that we should change our behavior and live in fear by avoiding certain places and people.
I am saying that there is no need to avoid certain places or people. That is simply being alarmist and paranoid. There are many more likely causes of death than terrorism. If you are that worried about dying then you should never get into a car. That is one of the most dangerous things any of us will do.
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Reply #77 - Dec 7th, 2019 at 3:15pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 10:06am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 9:20pm:
you shun your responsibility to protecting fellow Aussies


Not at all.
That is a completely different question. Can you please stop moving the goal posts
I was responding to this post:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:10am:
My view is that we can be knowledgeable about the places, times, the people, the motives and politics of wannabe attackers and once we have all that knowledge it will become like a second nature to avoid certain people and avoid certain places at certain times.


We already have a police force, and anti terrorism task forces for minimizing the risk of terrorism.
You are saying that we should change our behavior and live in fear by avoiding certain places and people.
I am saying that there is no need to avoid certain places or people. That is simply being alarmist and paranoid. There are many more likely causes of death than terrorism. If you are that worried about dying then you should never get into a car. That is one of the most dangerous things any of us will do.


Well you've had your say and you have no compassion or empathy for the victims or their families now or in the future, you've demonstrated that clearly enough

The Police can only do so much and it's a credit to them that they catch some potential terrorists before the terrorism moves to the streets. However, if wannabe terrorists stop using the Internet and phones and stay away from surveillance cameras, the likelihood of more attacks is a possibility. The Police won't be able to do much about stopping those

Saying we have "other" dangers to worry about is just a cop-out. We need to be concerned about all dangers. These Islamic street attacks are relatively new to Australia, they're a danger now added to the list of dangers that already exist and we must deal with. On a personal basis, we can make ourselves aware of the danger of Islamic attacks by being knowledgeable and by being smart

The Government will never say "There is a new danger in our midst, beware of violent Islamists" .... because the Government is part of the problem, they created the problem

Working on averages, the next attack will happen next year, probably in the latter half of the year, but some earlier months in the year can't be ruled out either. On averages again, it will likely be a street attack, but that might change and be on a bridge or in a busy shopping center.

Since there is less US involvement in the Middle East now, the risk factor is lower, but not entirely eliminated. Muslims have other gripes, and willing to die for the cause, after they've slaughtered some innocent people going about their daily lives

You may not want to do anything about it, which only makes you part of the problem also. Not me, I will do what I can to alert to people to future danger from violent muslims. How about you, do you want to change your mind and help out, or just remain a vegetable about it?



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Reply #78 - Dec 7th, 2019 at 5:29pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 10:06am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 9:20pm:
you shun your responsibility to protecting fellow Aussies


Not at all.
That is a completely different question. Can you please stop moving the goal posts
I was responding to this post:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:10am:
My view is that we can be knowledgeable about the places, times, the people, the motives and politics of wannabe attackers and once we have all that knowledge it will become like a second nature to avoid certain people and avoid certain places at certain times.


We already have a police force, and anti terrorism task forces for minimizing the risk of terrorism.
You are saying that we should change our behavior and live in fear by avoiding certain places and people.
I am saying that there is no need to avoid certain places or people. That is simply being alarmist and paranoid. There are many more likely causes of death than terrorism. If you are that worried about dying then you should never get into a car. That is one of the most dangerous things any of us will do.

We must stop IMPORTING certain people.

Muslim immigration since 9/11 has doubled. Madness. The West will die of stupidity.







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Reply #79 - Dec 7th, 2019 at 6:26pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 5:29pm:

We must stop IMPORTING certain people.

Muslim immigration since 9/11 had doubled.

Madness.


The West will die of stupidity.







"There's no defense against stupidity."
- Friedrich Nietzsche




People who hate God [i.e. hate what God represents - social order through, laws, justice, truth, peace, prosperity], eventually find that God will abandon them,
....to their own stupidity.

God even said that he would allow this to happen to 'his own people'.




Isaiah 29:13
Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14  Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.


Matthew 15:7
.....well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8  This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.




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Reply #80 - Dec 7th, 2019 at 7:19pm
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 6:26pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 5:29pm:

We must stop IMPORTING certain people.

Muslim immigration since 9/11 has doubled.

Madness.


The West will die of stupidity.







"There's no defense against stupidity."
- Friedrich Nietzsche





The West will either be cooked slowly or there will be a revolutionary convulsion with blood on the streets one again.

But the West will not submit to Islam quietly - so blood it will be, once again. The history of the west has been bloody. there is no reason to think that an Islamic transformation attempt this time  would go ahead bloodlessly.




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If i was walking down the street and i saw a bunch of Burka people or weird beards heading towards me i would discreetly cross to the other side of the street and take cover behind the nearest bollard, its all about self preservation.
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If i was walking down the street and i saw a bunch of Burka people or weird beards heading towards me i would discreetly cross to the other side of the street and take cover behind the nearest bollard, its all about self preservation.

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Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 8:20pm:
If i was walking down the street and i saw a bunch of Burka people or weird beards heading towards me i would discreetly cross to the other side of the street and take cover behind the nearest bollard, its all about self preservation.


Wow.

Are you frightened of your own shadow too?

I thought Donald Trump was the biggest coward in the world - I was wrong.

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Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 8:20pm:
If i was walking down the street and i saw a bunch of Burka people or weird beards heading towards me i would discreetly cross to the other side of the street and take cover behind the nearest bollard, its all about self preservation.

Especially if i saw a carload of them.

Defensive driving.

Seriously, i would not trust a niqabi/hijabi or a bearded islamic  numty in any curcumstance. I would be super cautious and not just about violence. I would not trust them to be honest with a kuffar like me.

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Reply #85 - Dec 7th, 2019 at 10:11pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 7:19pm:
Yadda wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 6:26pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 5:29pm:

We must stop IMPORTING certain people.

Muslim immigration since 9/11 has doubled.

Madness.


The West will die of stupidity.







"There's no defense against stupidity."
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The West will either be cooked slowly or there will be a revolutionary convulsion with blood on the streets one again.

But the West will not submit to Islam quietly - so blood it will be, once again. The history of the west has been bloody. there is no reason to think that an Islamic transformation attempt this time  would go ahead bloodlessly.





You are predicting a very grim future for mankind Frank.




I think that many residents/citizens of 1st world nations have no idea of what confluence of good luck [and hard work and sacrifice !] it has taken, to produce the political stability which those nations have [mostly] enjoyed since WWII.

And they mostly, imo, have no real appreciation of how precious such political stability really is !

I would suggest, that daily life prior to about 1850 [even within what are today those 1st world nations], would have been pretty grim, for the average Joe and Jane.
.....think, life in a rural setting in some 3rd world nation, today.  !!



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Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 9:54pm:
Johnnie wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 8:20pm:
If i was walking down the street and i saw a bunch of Burka people or weird beards heading towards me i would discreetly cross to the other side of the street and take cover behind the nearest bollard, its all about self preservation.

Especially if i saw a carload of them.

Defensive driving.

Seriously, i would not trust a niqabi/hijabi or a bearded islamic  numty in any curcumstance. I would be super cautious and not just about violence. I would not trust them to be honest with a kuffar like me.



Being cautious is the right attitude, just as we are cautious about anything else that has an element danger. We need to do personal risk assessments based on what we know already before venturing out to do whatever we are going to do
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Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 3:15pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 7th, 2019 at 10:06am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 6th, 2019 at 9:20pm:
you shun your responsibility to protecting fellow Aussies


Not at all.
That is a completely different question. Can you please stop moving the goal posts
I was responding to this post:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 5th, 2019 at 12:10am:
My view is that we can be knowledgeable about the places, times, the people, the motives and politics of wannabe attackers and once we have all that knowledge it will become like a second nature to avoid certain people and avoid certain places at certain times.


We already have a police force, and anti terrorism task forces for minimizing the risk of terrorism.
You are saying that we should change our behavior and live in fear by avoiding certain places and people.
I am saying that there is no need to avoid certain places or people. That is simply being alarmist and paranoid. There are many more likely causes of death than terrorism. If you are that worried about dying then you should never get into a car. That is one of the most dangerous things any of us will do.


Well you've had your say and you have no compassion or empathy for the victims or their families now or in the future, you've demonstrated that clearly enough

The Police can only do so much and it's a credit to them that they catch some potential terrorists before the terrorism moves to the streets. However, if wannabe terrorists stop using the Internet and phones and stay away from surveillance cameras, the likelihood of more attacks is a possibility. The Police won't be able to do much about stopping those

Saying we have "other" dangers to worry about is just a cop-out. We need to be concerned about all dangers. These Islamic street attacks are relatively new to Australia, they're a danger now added to the list of dangers that already exist and we must deal with. On a personal basis, we can make ourselves aware of the danger of Islamic attacks by being knowledgeable and by being smart

The Government will never say "There is a new danger in our midst, beware of violent Islamists" .... because the Government is part of the problem, they created the problem

Working on averages, the next attack will happen next year, probably in the latter half of the year, but some earlier months in the year can't be ruled out either. On averages again, it will likely be a street attack, but that might change and be on a bridge or in a busy shopping center.

Since there is less US involvement in the Middle East now, the risk factor is lower, but not entirely eliminated. Muslims have other gripes, and willing to die for the cause, after they've slaughtered some innocent people going about their daily lives

You may not want to do anything about it, which only makes you part of the problem also. Not me, I will do what I can to alert to people to future danger from violent muslims. How about you, do you want to change your mind and help out, or just remain a vegetable about it?



No Bias you clearly don't understand.
You clearly have a distorted perception of risk and no amount of explaining this is going to make you see that.
It is obvious that if you avoid catching a train because of "fear of terrorism" and instead drive a car, you are actually putting your life at greater risk by driving.
You don't see this because you have a different agenda
I won't add anything further as this thread is simply another of the myriad of Muslim bashing threads on this forum.
I just find it very disappointing that it should pollute the philosophy forum
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No Bias you clearly don't understand.
You clearly have a distorted perception of risk and no amount of explaining this is going to make you see that.
It is obvious that if you avoid catching a train because of "fear of terrorism" and instead drive a car, you are actually putting your life at greater risk by driving.
You don't see this because you have a different agenda
I won't add anything further as this thread is simply another of the myriad of Muslim bashing threads on this forum.
I just find it very disappointing that it should pollute the philosophy forum



And it's obvious you don't wish to discuss: "Leaving things to chance" versus "Personally and consciously assessing risk then acting accordingly"


The fundamentals of these two are miles apart.

The former can cause trauma, damaged lives and loss of life unnecessarily

The latter minimizes risk where risk would otherwise be unmanageably high. Conscious risk assessment encourages logical reasoning and a sense of self-preservation

Both can be applied when dealing with our new contemporary problem of Islamic attacks. I prefer to use the latter. You, on the other hand apparently prefer the former, a benign empty thought process with a complete disregard for your fellow Aussies

It doesn't behove you to talk about anyone's agenda, I'm quickly realizing what your agenda is, a do-nothing agenda regarding the prevention of loss of life

Just because driving a car has an element of risk, doesn't mean we should neglect Islamic attacks as a risk factor. When we are all consciously thinking about that risk factor and the Government sees that we are, they might finally admit that we do actually have that new danger in our streets from time to time, but what we don't want to hear is: "It's part and parcel of our daily living" - that is just incomprehensibly defeatist

Your continual diversion to "other" risks in our society, is just that, a diversion attempting to distract us from the danger of violent Islamists

Your philosophy on this matter is congruent with violence, it's the opposite of peaceful living. Let's look at what you allow to happen: A muslim kills someone, that's one person dead, the police kill the muslim, that's two people dead, traffic is halted, there is an inquest, there's two grieving families, there's cops suffering PTS, people close-by and witnessing the attack suffer trauma - all because people like you could care less and maintain your ridiculous attitude of just leave things to chance

If you feel you don't want to add anything further in here, that's fine by me. The thread is about changing our minds from leaving things to chance to conscious awareness for our own protection, using Islamic attacks as an example as to why we should change our minds 

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Another street attack, this time in Brisbane. The evidence strongly suggests it was an Islamic attack. Police are working to figure out the motive for this attack that happened in the month of February, a dangerous month for Islamic attacks

The motive may have been about the bombing of Iranian general Soleimani, who knows?

The young Afghan in his twenties wielded two knives and stabbed one innocent pedestrian, then he was shot dead by police. The police said the usual thing, "he may have been mentally ill, we don't know the motive"

We'll need to wait for further updates about this really unfortunate incident involving this young Afghan
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Islamophobia.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10th, 2020 at 10:12pm:
Islamophobia.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



This thread is basically about Islamic attacks and protecting ourselves from those attacks

Therefore it's fairly certain that those leaning towards the left on the political spectrum will use the word "Islamophobia" in here thinking they're doing the right thing even though we're waiting for more details regarding post #89. It's a slur, but a slur that concerned citizens should ignore, in order to educate the community about staying safe

The important issue is to protect ourselves these days from danger be it un-attentive drivers on the road, the out-break of viruses, or Islamic attacks which don't seem to stop

We must be alert, the safety of yourself and loved ones may depend on it

Years ago, I said things will get worse in Australia if we continued to vote certain political parties into government ... those parties take a globalist stance in their politics and we're witnessing now the result of that stance. Big problems are on the horizon, my prediction is coming true but very few people took any notice. Islamic attacks, plus bush fires, plus economic weakness, plus debt, plus low value dollar, plus domestic violence, plus virus, plus cars crashing into homes and shops, plus falling stock market, etc ... all make for troubled times - Beware
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Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 7th, 2020 at 1:13am:
Another street attack, this time in Brisbane. The evidence strongly suggests it was an Islamic attack. Police are working to figure out the motive for this attack that happened in the month of February, a dangerous month for Islamic attacks

The motive may have been about the bombing of Iranian general Soleimani, who knows?

The young Afghan in his twenties wielded two knives and stabbed one innocent pedestrian, then he was shot dead by police. The police said the usual thing, "he may have been mentally ill, we don't know the motive"

We'll need to wait for further updates about this really unfortunate incident involving this young Afghan



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Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:03pm:
"Mental illness" is applied selectively, even when it's obvious the attackers are muslim or new converts to Islam



Huh?

Are you saying that Muslims don't experience mental illness?

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Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:03pm:
"Mental illness" is applied selectively, even when it's obvious the attackers are muslim or new converts to Islam



Huh?

Are you saying that Muslims don't experience mental illness?




Subscribing to Mohammed IS a mental illness.

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The Corona virus is uppermost in our minds at the moment but it's still important not to leave things to chance regarding future adversarial events detrimental to the community. We need to change our minds about being indifferent and blasé towards such events

Here's one that happened on the 11th March 2020 ....

Tributes for HIV activist killed in Melbourne stabbing rampage

According to Victoria police the stabbing spree started around 10.40 pm on Wednesday March 11, 2020, when the attacker, now identified as
Mohammed Ibrahim
, 34, from Roxburgh Park, approached a Protective Services Officer at Jolimont Railway Station.

Ibrahim
engaged the PSO in a conversation before slashing him across the face and arm and fleeing


https://www.starobserver.com.au/news/tributes-for-hiv-activist-killed-in-melbour...

Ibrahim
went on to stab more unsuspecting people


It's disappeared from our memories already yet it happened only 10 days ago

We need to stop being indifferent about these attacks because more will happen in the future. There's been precautions taken against the spread of the Corona virus and we are all very conscious about it, we are panic buying, staying indoors and our spending slow-down is affecting the economy, but there's been less deaths from the virus to date than from attacks in the streets of Melbourne and Sydney

Is there a difference between deaths? I suppose there is. Deaths from the virus are not criminal but live in our memories and authorities learn from them. Deaths from criminal attacks are forgotten soon enough and we are reluctant to learn from them

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Three men in custody after alleged violence in Sydney's south west

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Three men are in custody after an argument broke out on a suburban street in south west Sydney.

Police rushed to lock down Wangee Road in Lakemba around 4:05pm after an alleged domestic violence incident between a number of persons.

Police report no injuries have been sustained as a result of the incident. All three men are being taken to Campsie Police station.

Officers on scene have located a weapon and a crime scene has been established.


https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/three-men-in-custody-after-alleged-viol...

Dispute opposite Lakemba mosque between what appeared to be muslims in an alleged domestic violence incident
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This has no place in the philosophy forum
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The_Barnacle wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 4:13pm:
This has no place in the philosophy forum


I don't subscribe to your opinion you've expressed there



philosophy |fəˈläsəfē|
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The topic is about all three of these. It's about the benefit of knowledge. Knowing what is real and what is fantasy. And having a sense of existence

All three relate to protecting ourselves from Islamic attacks
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Here is a sickening attack committed by a female muslim this time. The police are reluctant to investigate it even though the evidence is right before their eyes





My suggestion that Aussies' keep well away from muslims still stands, we never know when or where an attack will occur, but if we're not there near them, the risk is minimized
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The_Barnacle wrote on May 1st, 2020 at 4:13pm:
This has no place in the philosophy forum
Can you please save this bigoted garbage for the other countless sub forums.


FFS Bias
There are many other forums for your muslim bashing BS that you post
It has no place on this sub forum.
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Bias_2012 wrote on May 6th, 2020 at 7:35pm:
philosophy |fəˈläsəfē|
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The topic is about all three of these. It's about the benefit of knowledge. Knowing what is real and what is fantasy. And having a sense of existence

All three relate to protecting ourselves from Islamic attacks


Absolute garbage
As I have pointed out many times before, there are numerous FAR more likely threats which you choose to ignore.
It's you who have succumbed to fantasy. Living in fear of something which is a negligible threat to the average person.
 
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The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 27th, 2020 at 11:50am:
muslim bashing



Muslim bashing? ... muslims know how to bash alright. Watch the video again and remind yourself of what they're capable of without a care in the world. After the phone camera stopped rolling, the teen was kicked and stomped on, the attack continued

We need to change our minds about being indifferent to these attacks, and become more aware of our dangerous societal environment these days. When the police become reluctant to step in, as was the case with this teen being bashed, we no longer have the excuse of saying "It's the Police's job to look into it, not ours"

What you can do is join the fight against muslim attacks, and forget about which forum I post in, you seem to be obsessed with that, not sure why, it's appears it's more important to you than doing something about stopping muslim attacks
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Bias_2012 wrote on May 6th, 2020 at 7:35pm:
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The topic is about all three of these. It's about the benefit of knowledge. Knowing what is real and what is fantasy. And having a sense of existence

All three relate to protecting ourselves from Islamic attacks


Absolute garbage
As I have pointed out many times before, there are numerous FAR more likely threats which you choose to ignore.
It's you who have succumbed to fantasy. Living in fear of something which is a negligible threat to the average person.
 



This thread is not about other threats. It's about Islamic attacks and protecting ourselves against them. Your post is nothing more than a cop-out - "oh, Islamic attacks are ok because we have other more frequent threats." - wake up

The Coronavirus is a threat, but were those eight attackers in the video fined for ignoring social distancing? No, of course not, no one gives a stuff ... and that's where we're going wrong. The video showed clear evidence of violation of the 1.5mt directive

To ignore Islamic threats and not speak out about them, is to condone them
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Reply #104 - Jun 27th, 2020 at 3:56pm
 
I kinda agree with Barnacle. But Islam has a place in Philosophy too. I guess it's up to the Mod?

I do know that Moslems, Blacks - attack vulnerable Whites 'down there' because they can't attack the Whites up in high places like the Politicians.

That girl is the white sacrifice for the Politicians and Media who  just turn a blind eye.

Cronulla: the North Shore boys (Manly) sent 20 down to the Shire for a biff and they got their butts kicked. The Penrith boys sent 50 and made a better effort, but still got beat.
So when some Lakemba-Punchbowl boys went to Cronulla, punched out a Life-Saver (Volunteer) and claimed Cronulla for Allah - 10,000 turned up and kicked their arses.
Cronulla, having never won a GF with the footy - always won their fights instead. They are a 'leaderless' Collective en mass. Then the Media couldn't cope with this 'new' Australian style of outnumbering Moslems and incorporated that it was lead by the Bra Boys from Maroubra to make them feel more comfortable with the Northern Hemisphere cliche. Sure, the Bra Boys joined the Cronulla 'Sharkies' in the fray, as did the Penrith Boys and Manly Boys and surprisingly the Campbelltown-Camden Boys came in with numbers too. Camden still stands strong against Moslems - but it is more a Catholic v Moslem thing.

So it seems the Politicians and Media do not want to know about poor Australians standing up for themselves and why many poor Australians leaving Sydney. There is no protection for them 'down there' where the Moslems and Chinks can now get them - because they know any retaliation again will be dealt with by the Police and the Media that will label them Racists.

I can tell you, that 'next time' - there will be 30,000 turning up for the biff if the Moslems try to bully their way around again.

That poor girl, isolated and abused.
This is the era of White bashing.
I myself have had to biff with a few Turks from Auburn and Lakemba. Walk through Lakemba and the Moslem guys come out and harrass you at every street corner.
...but the Police, Politicians and Media won't do a thing, because they just protect their own arses.

White sacrifices to appease Allah.
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Reply #105 - Sep 4th, 2020 at 7:38pm
 
"Planned to kill as many police as possible" ... it says in the video

This appears to be an Islamic attack, but the media is refusing to say if it was or not

Last year I predicted an attack would happen in the second half of this year, 2020

I said it would likely be a street attack with a knife - and it was


Counter tourism police investigate Sydney CBD attack

Counter terrorism police have been called in to investigate an attack on three police officers in the Sydney CBD
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https://www.9news.com.au/videos/national/counter-tourism-police-investigate-sydn...

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Reply #106 - Oct 18th, 2020 at 12:09pm
 
This ISIS member lost her appeal and her original sentence was reinstated - Why is she even here in Australia?

Why is it necessary to have people like this in our community? What is wrong with our thinking these days?

One would think we already have enough problems with domestic violence, drug related crime, corrupt politicians, scammers, etc, without adding terrorism to the crime-ridden mix

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8842223/Australian-ISIS-member-Zainab-A...

Keep thinking about it and find ways to protect yourself, the police can only do so much. Don't leave things to chance, be aware of what goes on around you, in your street, in your suburb and in your city. Islamic terrorism is worldwide, Australia is not exception, thanks to voting patterns at election times. Think carefully who you vote for in the future. We don't need terrorism, so why vote for it when you fill out a ballot paper


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This doesn't belong in philosophy

Please post this in the other countless forums that deal with right wing Islamic terrorism
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Again, why do we need people like this in our community


Terrorist, 20, faces a life behind bars after trying to set up a jihadi base in the Blue Mountains and was planning a massive attack on churches, councils and courts in Sydney


   
Isaac el Matari, 20, from Sydney has pleaded guilty to terror related offences



https://distincttoday.net/2020/10/15/isaac-el-matari-pleads-guilty-to-terror-rel...


We need to think differently about our immigration program. We need to change our minds about certain things. It wouldn't hurt to be more selective about the types of people we let into Australia. Do we need potential terrorists - yes or no? Obviously the answer would be "NO". But nearly everyone is saying "YES" by burying their heads in the sand.

Do you bury your head in the sand?


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A further reminder that it's not a good idea to be complacent or leave things to chance.

In Australia we exist to live peaceful lives and to obey laws, laws that say no violence and not to plan violence.

Our laws clash with the laws in some foreign lands, but the laws that prevail in Australia are not from those foreign lands, so when immigrants decide that our laws are not for them, they wittingly place their freedoms and liberties extended to them, by living in Australia, in jeopardy


https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-man-jailed-after-buying-knives-for-im...



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This muslim guy has a different way of thinking about Australia than the way us Aussies think about it. He thinks Australians should be blown up and killed. We Aussies don't think that way at all, we like to get jobs and earn an income for raising a family, go on holidays, buy a car or phone, save for retirement, obey our laws and generally live peaceful lives

He is now being sent away overseas, who cares where, because his citizen has been cancelled and he will be deported

This is the price he's paying for believing violence is better than peaceful living. There's an unacceptable clash in that real life senario


The Australian government has revoked the citizenship of convicted terrorist Abdul Nacer Benbrika following his sentence for planning to bomb Melbourne landmarks expiring
.


https://www.9news.com.au/national/abdul-nacer-benbrika-australian-citizenship-of...


Don't leave thing to chance - always be aware that there are unsavory muslim characters in jail, more will be released, back into the community

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Reply #111 - Nov 26th, 2020 at 6:55pm
 
The Australian Fed Government negotiated to have a terrorist in Thailand released and exchange him for a dual national female who claims she is innocent of spying in Iran.

The Prime Minister and the Foreign Affairs Minister have refused to talk about the negotiations involved with the prisoner swap. I suppose they don't want to admit they have back flipped and now have a policy of "Negotiating with Terrorists"

Scott Morrison and Marise Payne were effectively telling us to mind our own business and go jump if we didn't like it

Once the Government realized this female dual national was innocent, why didn't they fight for her innocence instead of getting into the murky underworld business of swapping an Iranian terrorist who tried to kill Israeli diplomats in Thailand?

In the warm and fuzzy feeling of her release, never forget that a dangerous terrorists was also released, negotiated by the Australia Government, and no doubt with the blessing of the Federal Opposition


https://www.9news.com.au/national/australian-kylie-moore-gilbert-released-by-ira...


We need to be aware of what's going on about terrorists more than ever, especially now our Government negotiates with terrorists for political expediency


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On behalf of the Authorities, Channel 9 has issued a warning to the public of the risk of terror attacks during the busy Christmas and New Year periods

The warning was broadcast on 9's evening news a few days ago

It's good to see the Authorities have come on board at long last. The warnings should have started years ago when attacks were occurring on a regular basis with innocent Aussies being killed in the streets

Changing our minds about leaving things to chance, to being consciously aware of danger is a wise thing to do, no matter where we are or what we are doing. Our peaceful existence relies on it
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The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 18th, 2020 at 12:24pm:
This doesn't belong in philosophy

Please post this in the other countless forums that deal with right wing Islamic terrorism

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The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 12th, 2020 at 11:20am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 18th, 2020 at 12:24pm:
This doesn't belong in philosophy

Please post this in the other countless forums that deal with right wing Islamic terrorism



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Reply #115 - Dec 27th, 2020 at 9:42pm
 
Another young guy, a Somalian, with an opposing philosophy to the peaceful philosophy of the vast majority of Australians

Raghe Abdi 22. His philosophy on life was to martyr himself by attempting to pervert the course of justice and failing to comply with an order, refused to hand over the passcode to his mobile phone, refusing to answer a magistrate and failing to acknowledge authority of a court

He also tried to pervert the course of justice by attempting to get his mother and a friend to withdraw their statements about him in June and July last year (2019)

Then his ankle tracker was some how removed

Then, police said Abdi is directly linked to the deaths of a 87-year-old man and an 86-year-old woman, whose bodies were found with significant injuries in a home at Parkinson. "Abdi's property was found at couple's home"

Finally, he threatened police with a knife before being shot

We all need to be aware of these type of people who have an obscenely different philosophy to that of peaceful Aussies in the street, the two don't mix, Abdi's was murderous, us Aussie's is peaceful

Take care over the Christmas holidays - fortunately January is not one of the dangerous months of the year for these types of knife wielding terror attacks, they usually come later in the year

https://www.mcivortimes.com.au/national/2020/12/18/2397417/link-to-murders-and-q...


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Reply #116 - Dec 28th, 2020 at 7:06am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 12th, 2020 at 11:52pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 12th, 2020 at 11:20am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 18th, 2020 at 12:24pm:
This doesn't belong in philosophy

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Reply #117 - Dec 28th, 2020 at 11:18am
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 7:06am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 12th, 2020 at 11:52pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 12th, 2020 at 11:20am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 18th, 2020 at 12:24pm:
This doesn't belong in philosophy

Please post this in the other countless forums that deal with right wing Islamic terrorism


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Reason ? Or do you simply not understand the definition of ‘philosophy’ ?

philosophy
/fɪˈlɒsəfi/

noun: philosophy
1.
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.
2.
a theory or attitude that acts as a guiding principle for behaviour.


If Bias wants to post about Right wing islamic terrorism he has multiple forums to chose from
- General
- Extremism exposed
- Islam
- Multiculturalism and Race

Instead he chooses to pollute this forum with his bigoted hatred.
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Reply #118 - Dec 28th, 2020 at 2:03pm
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 7:06am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 12th, 2020 at 11:52pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 12th, 2020 at 11:20am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 18th, 2020 at 12:24pm:
This doesn't belong in philosophy

Please post this in the other countless forums that deal with right wing Islamic terrorism


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Reason ? Or do you simply not understand the definition of ‘philosophy’ ?

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a theory or attitude that acts as a guiding principle for behaviour
.



Yes, that's what it's about ... "guiding principle for behaviour" ... How should we behave, violently or non-violently? ... and what principles guide us to be violent ... and what principles guide us to be non-violent? Those are the questions

It's generally accepted that Aussies live by the principles of peace, freedom of religion, live and let live, tolerance (if tolerance is reciprocal), employing a good honest work ethic, being socially interactive and accepting that the laws of the land must be obeyed

Any guiding principle for behavior that is outside that paradigm must be questioned ... and that's what I'm doing, questioning a pattern of principled behavior that includes violence, the murdering of innocent Aussies to satisfy the guiding principle of "God is the Greatest" (Allah Akbar) and that the Western way of life is blasphemous to basic Islam

If we move on to another subject, but still related, Multicultural Society, do we not need to ensure that such a society is free of questionable behavior paradigms that are contrary to the principled Aussie values of peaceful and non-violent behavior?

If we allow the violent paradigm to continue, who will take responsibility for the wanton murders and how can they be justified? Surely multiculturalism can't justify them, murder is not what multiculturalism is all about. But apparently it is with Barnacle, he said "we should do nothing about it" - I can't see that as being a sensible philosophical attitude. And he complains about this thread being in the wrong board, but then he posts a topic "Exaggeration of Islamic Attacks" in the Philosophy board, where my topic is situated, the same board

My topic is not about left or right politics per se, but it is about violent behavior that both major parties are not doing all that much to quell, the minority murderous paradigm is here and we need to do something about ridding ourselves of it. It's contrary to what the vast majority of what us Aussies believe in, live and let live, in a predominately peaceful manner   
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Reply #119 - Dec 28th, 2020 at 2:26pm
 
Thank you for the attempt at justifying this topic being subsumed under philosophy.
I suggest your argument fails on any number of counts but it’s obvious any attempt to persuade you to re-think this placement appears to be a waste of time. Given the sloppy moderation of this site I suspect you’ll happily be able to continue getting away with it .
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Reply #120 - Dec 28th, 2020 at 5:01pm
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 2:26pm:
Thank you for the attempt at justifying this topic being subsumed under philosophy.
I suggest your argument fails on any number of counts but it’s obvious any attempt to persuade you to re-think this placement appears to be a waste of time. Given the sloppy moderation of this site I suspect you’ll happily be able to continue getting away with it .


Yes I'll be happy to continue because it's one philosophy versus another. One culminates in violence from time to time because of religious and societal beliefs. The other persists with peaceful values, rule of law and the freedom to escape the dictates of overbearing religious leaders

What would you say to the children of the elderly couple who died at the hands of Raghe Abdi last week? Any reassuring comment in your condolences would only be philosophical, don't you think? I doubt you'd say "Visit their graves once a year to ease your pain" or "We must make sacrifices for Australia and your parents were just in the wrong place at the wrong time" - No, I don't think you'd say those frivolous and callous statements

But what is just as frivolous and callous is "Thoughts and prayers, best wishes", with no intention of explaining why their parents had to die

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Reply #121 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 1:13pm
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 2:26pm:
Thank you for the attempt at justifying this topic being subsumed under philosophy.
I suggest your argument fails on any number of counts but it’s obvious any attempt to persuade you to re-think this placement appears to be a waste of time. Given the sloppy moderation of this site I suspect you’ll happily be able to continue getting away with it .

Is this a philosophical point?
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Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 5:01pm:
What would you say to the children of the elderly couple who died at the hands of Raghe Abdi last week? Any reassuring comment in your condolences would only be philosophical, don't you think? I doubt you'd say "Visit their graves once a year to ease your pain" or "We must make sacrifices for Australia and your parents were just in the wrong place at the wrong time" - No, I don't think you'd say those frivolous and callous statements

But what is just as frivolous and callous is "Thoughts and prayers, best wishes", with no intention of explaining why their parents had to die



This is a classic example of tribalism.
Blame a whole culture for the actions of a few criminals but of course don't apply the same standards to your own "tribe"
This isn't philosophy, this is pure bigotry

There are numerous other forums for Bias to post his bigotry, the philosophy forum isn't one of them
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Reply #123 - Jan 3rd, 2021 at 4:28pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 1st, 2021 at 10:35am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 28th, 2020 at 5:01pm:
What would you say to the children of the elderly couple who died at the hands of Raghe Abdi last week? Any reassuring comment in your condolences would only be philosophical, don't you think? I doubt you'd say "Visit their graves once a year to ease your pain" or "We must make sacrifices for Australia and your parents were just in the wrong place at the wrong time" - No, I don't think you'd say those frivolous and callous statements

But what is just as frivolous and callous is "Thoughts and prayers, best wishes", with no intention of explaining why their parents had to die



This is a classic example of tribalism.
Blame a whole culture for the actions of a few criminals but of course don't apply the same standards to your own "tribe"
This isn't philosophy, this is pure bigotry

There are numerous other forums for Bias to post his bigotry, the philosophy forum isn't one of them


I asked Ayn Marx what he would say to the children of the murdered elderly couple and as yet, there's been no reply

I'll ask you now, what would you say to the elderly couple's children to console them?, keeping in mind there might also be grandchildren and possibly great-grandchildren

Ayn Marx previously posted the dictionary definition of "Philosophy", you do remember that don't you?

It seems that Ayn can't understand a simple easy to understand statement in that definition, "
a theory or attitude that acts as a guiding principle for behaviour
." and yet he posted it.

The guiding principle for muslim attackers is to attack people with knives and vehicles because of societal differencences, is it not? They attack for no other reason than to show their disdain for the way the rest of us live our lives, true or not?

Such a belligerent philosophy is in conflict with the general philosophy that us Aussies have of "Live and let live", and it's a shame and a disappointment that you and Ayn Marx can't seem to separate the two in your minds, because they are certainly separate philosophies acting within the broader community. Only a twisted and maligned sense of "multiculturalism" could rationalize bringing them together

Again, what would you say to the elderly couple? ... and what was the reason they had to die? what are your philosophical thought on that?


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Reply #124 - Jan 3rd, 2021 at 6:54pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2021 at 4:28pm:
What would you say to the children of the elderly couple who died at the hands of Raghe Abdi last week?

I’m not in the habit of attempting to speak with the dead. I’m also not in the habit of communicating with ‘minds’ such as yours. Although i may agree in general with your take on the evils of Islam I suggest your monumental obsession with that religion has tipped over into ranting gibberish that works against your own aims. Stop preaching to the converted and start looking around at the multitude of evils any form of fundamentalist ’true belief’ unleashes on our species.
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Reply #125 - Jan 3rd, 2021 at 8:18pm
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 3rd, 2021 at 6:54pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2021 at 4:28pm:
What would you say to the children of the elderly couple who died at the hands of Raghe Abdi last week?

I’m not in the habit of attempting to speak with the dead. I’m also not in the habit of communicating with ‘minds’ such as yours. Although i may agree in general with your take on the evils of Islam I suggest your monumental obsession with that religion has tipped over into ranting gibberish that works against your own aims. Stop preaching to the converted and start looking around at the multitude of evils any form of fundamentalist ’true belief’ unleashes on our species.


Well if you can't understand a simple question like "What would you say to the children", and just reply with "I'm not in the habit of attempting to speak with the dead", then I'm not surprised you don't realize the philosophical difference between "good" and "evil"

Islam is not necessarily evil if it's benign, passive to the rule of Australian law, accepting the rights of others which includes the right to live. But it does become evil when it kills people for religious and for societal reasons, societal reasons that are grossly different to the well established societal norms and values of Australia

If you have your own philosophy on Islamic attacks, let's read it, why do they happen, what are they about, and who should take responsibility for them in a political sense, how are they in the National Interest?
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Reply #126 - Jan 17th, 2021 at 9:02pm
 
Apparently a jail sentence failed to convince this 25 year old male that Australia's rule of law and values are better than those of ISIS. He is likely to go back to jail for breaching a Court order: "Not to search for ISIS material"

Why was he so silly, all he had to do was to forget ISIS, get a job, save some money, and generally live the Australian dream. But instead he decided to continue with the evil ISIS thing. That's not the Australian way, it's very un-Australian by any measure 


ISIS associate re-arrested in Sydney after breaching control order, two weeks after release from jail



"We will allege the man failed to comply with a condition of his control order by accessing material online that supported the carrying out of executions, beheading and torture, less than two weeks since his release from jail."


https://www.9news.com.au/national/sydney-terror-arrest-man-accused-breaching-con...


Continue to be aware of this type of person in the community, ignoring them could place your life and those of your loved ones in jeopardy. Only weeks ago an elderly couple in Qld died at the hands of someone with the same evil ideology. He was shot dead by Police on a freeway, he's now a martyr in ISIS circles, and that was probably his great incentive


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That has nothing to do with philosophy and should not be in this forum
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Reply #128 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 12:47pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 3:38pm:
That has nothing to do with philosophy and should not be in this forum


I agree. i was watching to see if it turned.
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Reply #129 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 6:23pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 18th, 2021 at 3:38pm:
That has nothing to do with philosophy and should not be in this forum


Well, perhaps you'd now like to answer the question: "What would you say to the family survivors of the elderly couple who died at the hands of a muslim attacker in Qld some weeks ago?"

Would you say to them: "More people are killed in car accidents"

Or: "There's nothing we can do about Islamic attacks"

Or would you just chicken out and make sure you didn't have to say anything
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Reply #130 - Jan 19th, 2021 at 6:28pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:37pm:
Should Aussies Protect Themselves

definitely.... may i suggest you hide under your bed until all Muslims are removed from this country.


What if a die-hard conservative still has reds under his bed?
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Reply #131 - Jan 20th, 2021 at 8:44pm
 
Every muzzo is a potential terrorist.

Male or female it matters not

Child or adult, they are indoctrinated into hate of everyone not muzzo.

They are all cowards, attacking defenceless, attacking in numbers.

But never one on one, because they are cowards.

They will pretend to be placid

They will pretend to conform

They will pretend to be tolerant

But deep down they all want to kill everyone who is not a retarded muzzo.

When their numbers get large enough, they start demanding and taking over.

It is then too late to stop them and they start enforcing their sick standards on everyone, even those not retarded muzzo.

When the time is right, they wipe out all who are not retarded muzzo and drive out any who are stroke enough to fight back.

There is only one cure for this disease
Send them all somewhere where they can practice their sick, perverted, violent cult away from normal human beings

And never let them near civilization ever again.
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Still spreading your bullshit I see.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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How muslims gee themselves up to attack and kill people in the street ....

Religious Basis for Islamic Terrorism: The Quran and Its Interpretations

Extreme religious interpretations of the Quran and the movement of Islamic Revivalism influence the emergence and progression of violent Jihad in contemporary times. Islamic “terrorists” are able to legitimize their movement as an act of violent Jihad permitted by the Quran essentially because of religious sanctions that permit the use of violence as an act of defense and to preserve the will of God in Islamic communities.

The Quran systematizes this use and relates it to other aspects of the Shariat through its discourse on revivalism. Based on the Quranic principle of ijtihad, terrorists emphasize the Quran's tenets on violence and revivalism in their religious interpretations and present it as a legitimate premise for the use of excessive aggression. According to ijtihad Muslims can interpret and determine the extent of their Islamic practices individually as long as these are directed toward ensuring the will of God in an Islamic community.

Thus terrorists use ijtihad to emphasize Quranic clauses that sanction the use of violent Jihad as a method ordained by God to preserve the Shariat in an Islamic community. The manner in which terrorists use ijtihad to contextualize geopolitical factors as a cause for violent Jihad is determined by their extreme interpretations of the Quran.

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In theory, while ever the Quran exists or not reformed, muslim terrorists will attack Aussies

According to our Govt, they are "Claytons" attacks, the attacks you're having when you're not having attacks

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Cont ...

These interpretations also determine the extent of violence used in a Jihad for religious amelioration. The religious legitimacy of this violence prevails until the cause and course of violent Jihad correlates with the Quran's discourse on violence and revivalism. In contemporary times an extreme interpretation of the movement of Revivalism 1 that is inspired by “revivalism” also provides an organized premise for Islamic terrorism. When implemented, this causes variations within specific geopolitical conditions and in different Jihadi groups. However a common understanding of religious doctrines determines the extent of Revivalism in Islamic communities because this movement relies heavily on the Quranic discourse for its existence.


Read a bit more here ...

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10576100600781612?journalCode=uter20


Not really compatible with our peaceful "live and let live" way of life
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Reply #135 - Jan 24th, 2021 at 7:23am
 
While searching for the latest info about the Skaf brothers to find out how long they have to go before their non-parole terms expire, I discovered this article about the youngest brother, Hadi Skaf, who was only an infant at the time of his elder brothers' many rape offences. Hadi Skaf is into cocaine while driving and caught speeding

Then further into the article it says: "In 2002, Mrs Skaf was banned from visiting her son (Bilal) in prison after she was caught trying to smuggle two letters written by Bilal to his then girlfriend, with two prison maps he had drawn."

"Security cameras in Goulburn’s Supermax caught Mrs Skaf concealing letters in her sock."


Younger brother of gang rapists on cocaine charge


As the family of the Skaf gang rape brothers prepares for one member to return after 20 years in prison, a younger brother has been charged with a drug offence.

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/younger-brother-of-gang-rapists-on-c...


Back to the non-parole terms of Bilal Skaf and Mohammed Skaf.

Bilal Skaf's term is 2033 and Mohammed Skaf's term is 2024(after four attempts of trying for early release, but I still can't determine if his fourth attempt was successful or not. Does anyone know? There's nothing on the internet that I could find, and the Parole hearing was a closed session ... Also, his parents were building a granny flat for him at home)

What's interesting about Mohammed Skaf's first three attempts for early release, and what we should be concerned about, is that he was knocked back each time because he gave the same reasons why he should not be in jail:

"
I am not to blame, the girls are to blame
" .. and yet he is clearly seen in photos tugging on a girls arm on Bondi Beach.

"A pre-release report compiled by Corrective Services in 2018 said Skaf 'has demonstrated no change in his attitude toward his offences since the beginning of his sentence' and 'continues to blame the victims'."

One young woman was raped 40 times by the Skaf brothers and friends ... the blame could hardly be that of the traumatized female victims

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8887427/Skaf-gang-rape-Youngest-Skaf-br...


When we ponder about this muslim family, we really should consider if they could ever straighten themselves out. The Skaf brothers and their friends can't seem to repent and they might always consider Aussies as "Aussie pigs"

"Along with other young Middle Eastern Australians, the Skaf brothers raped and degraded women they called “Aussie pigs

They are surely not part of the success story of Malcolm Turnbull's "We have the most successful multiculturalism" ... muslims have a different philosophy on life about that, especially this notorious Skaf family


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Reply #136 - Jan 24th, 2021 at 7:46am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 7:23am:

What's interesting about Mohammed Skaf's first three attempts for early release, and what we should be concerned about, is that he was knocked back each time because he gave the same reasons why he should not be in jail:


"I am not to blame, the girls are to blame"
.. and yet he is clearly seen in photos tugging on a girls arm on Bondi Beach.





This is what ISLAMIC religious doctrines teach the moslem, about infidel culpability,
and about everything which is wrong in the world....



1/ ISLAM is perfect.   [it is Allah's perfect religion]

2/ The moslem is innocent.   [he is a believer in Allah's perfect religion]

3/ The NON-MOSLEM is guilty.      [the non-moslem is always, always, always the persecutor of the moslem]


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ISLAM teaches the moslem that 1/ he is the innocent person, and the victim [his victim-hood], and 2/ ISLAM teaches him his moral justification in fighting [Jihad] against his persecutors.



Allah declares that being a moslem is much, much to be preferred, than being one those "perverted transgressors".....

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110



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Reply #137 - Jan 24th, 2021 at 1:15pm
 
Why do you assume that what the Skaf's did is typical of what all Muslims do?  Surely even you can see that they were abhorrent in their behavior?  Why do you not condemn them and them alone for what they did?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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The qur'an is the cause and motivation for all the atrocities committed by muslims around the globe.

All muslims 100% revere and support the qur'an as being the infallible perfect and unchangeable words of allah.

If muslims support the cause and motivation, they definitely support the engendered human rights atrocities committed by muslims, as the jihadists strive to obey the teachings in the qur'an.

All muslims fully support the engendered human rights atrocities committed by muslims, who are doing exactly what the qur'an commands them to do.
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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 1:15pm:

Why do you assume that what the Skaf's did
is typical of what all Muslims do?


Surely even you can see that they were abhorrent in their behavior?

Why do you not condemn them and them alone for what they did?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




Specifically, because Mohammed did     it,     rape of non-moslem women and [little] girls is lawful to every moslem man.

100% true !!

ISLAMIC law

"it" = = The Hadith records that Mohammed took Christian and Jewish, and Pagan women captive, in raids specifically to achieve that end.

And then Mohammed and "his companions"    used    the women how they wanted.

Some of the women were kept as sex slaves, to their captors.

Other women were redeemed by their menfolk, for a ransom price.



WWW search....
Christian Girls for the Pleasure of Muslim Men
"Christian Girls are only Meant for One Thing, the Pleasure of Muslim Men"
The Muslim Man's Sexual "Rights" Over Non-Muslim Women



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Reply #140 - Jan 24th, 2021 at 1:55pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 1:15pm:

Why do you assume that what the Skaf's did
is typical of what all Muslims do?


Surely even you can see that they were abhorrent in their behavior?



Why do you not condemn them and them alone for what they did?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes






brian,

Western laws universally prohibit rape and sexual assault.

ISLAMIC law makes rape by moslem men LAWFUL, whenever the victim is a non-moslem woman or girl.




WWW search....
muslim rape epidemic, Sweden
Migrant Rape Epidemic Reaches Austria
muslim rape epidemic in europe
leftist feminists mute on muslim rape epidemic





Quote:

Migrant Rape Epidemic Reaches Austria


by Soeren Kern  •  May 5, 2016 at 5:00 am


    A 20-year-old asylum seeker from Iraq confessed to raping a 10-year-old boy at a public swimming pool in Vienna.



The Iraqi said the rape was a "sexual emergency" resulting from "excess sexual energy."

    Those who dare to link spiraling crime to Muslim mass migration are being silenced by the guardians of Austrian multiculturalism.

    According to data compiled by the Austrian Interior Ministry, nearly one out of three asylum seekers in Vienna was accused of committing crimes in 2015.

North African gangs fighting for control over drug trafficking were responsible for roughly half of the 15,828 violent crimes — rapes, robberies, stabbings and assaults — reported in the city during 2015.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7995/migrants-rape-austria


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So, no non-Muslim has every committed the crime of rape, Yadda?  None at all?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Migrant Rape Epidemic Reaches Austria

by Soeren Kern  •  May 5, 2016 at 5:00 am

    A 20-year-old asylum seeker from Iraq confessed to raping a 10-year-old boy at a public swimming pool in Vienna.





He's lucky it isn't the Wild West as
he would have been hanged years ago.

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    WWW search....
Christian Girls for the Pleasure of Muslim Men
"Christian Girls are only Meant for One Thing, the Pleasure of Muslim Men"
The Muslim Man's Sexual "Rights" Over Non-Muslim Women   


The real reasons muzzos rape Christian women are.

They actually look like women, no hair on their faces or chest and you don't need a lawnmower to get at their ,..........

They don't smell like the other muzzo sex object...goats.

They have no idea of how to pleasure a woman, so they rape them.
It's terrifying for the woman, sometimes they don't even know they have been raped because it was less than 10 seconds.

A muzzos only method of foreplay is to punch the woman in the face, that's why they wear the Burma's, to hide the bruises and split lips.

And finally
Muzzos secretly wish they were Christians, because they are terrified they will be the next to be beheaded.

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 5:38pm:

So, no non-Muslim has every committed the crime of rape, Yadda?


None at all?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




No, of course not silly [i.e. yes! non-moslem men rape women - and in doing so, they are BREAKING THE LAW OF THE LAND].



But i repeat....



Yadda wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 1:55pm:


Western laws universally prohibit rape and sexual assault.

ISLAMIC law makes rape by moslem men LAWFUL, whenever the victim is a non-moslem woman or girl.






i.e.
ISLAM, ISLAM, ISLAM,    ...incentivises the rape of non-moslem women or girls,

because ISLAMIC law, makes it     LAWFUL     for a moslem man to commit the act of rape, whenever the victim of the rape is a non-moslem woman or girl.

But you already know that, don't you !    Tsk, tsk.


And, ISLAMIC law, also makes it      LAWFUL     for a moslem to murder, steal, and commit robbery against a person, if that person is a non-moslem.

But you already know that, don't you !    ....because you have a Doctorate of Divinity, and you would have learned these facts about ISLAMIC law, in your divinity studies into the religion of ISLAM.    Tsk, tsk.



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Care to quote and provide a link to where Islamic Law allows rape of non-Islamic women, Yada?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 11:04pm:
Care to quote and provide a link to where Islamic Law allows rape of non-Islamic women, Yada?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


It doesn't allow rape, but apparently rape is ok in marriage

Muslim women are covered from head to toe, whereas Aussie women are less covered, even less so when sun bathing at the beach

Therein lies the problem, Aussie women are less covered and are non-muslim, fair game for some muslim men, if they could be called men

Sheik Hilali said: "Aussie women without headscarf are uncovered cat meat",

and this ....

Sheik Hilali alluded in his sermon to the gang rapes in Sydney, suggesting
the attackers were not entirely to blame.



Muslims have a problem laying blame where it rightfully belongs, with the perpetrators, and they insist that the female victims are also to blame somehow. For not wearing head scarfs?

The Skaf brothers and friends apparently committed many more rapes than they were charged with, the true extent of their rape spree may never be known, and they don't blame themselves for any of the rapes

Sheik Hilali announced to his muslim flock: "Fellow muslims, if you break Australia's (Western) law, you will just have to submit yourselves to Australia's (Western) punishment

Sheik Hilali is a thinker, sometimes he gets it right

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 11:04pm:

Care to quote and provide a link to where Islamic Law allows rape of non-Islamic women, Yada?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




Easy.



"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. "
Koran 33.021

In the Koran, Allah declares the behaviour of Mohammed to be an exemplar, to every moslem man.

THEREFORE the   acknowledged   conduct of Mohammed [in the Sunnah of Prophet Mohammed], is lawful to every moslem
[because Allah states as much, in the Koran].

And ISLAM proudly boasts [i.e. acknowledges], that Mohammed went on raiding party's, and captured and raped non-moslem women.

Prophet Mohammed raped non-moslem women.

THEREFORE it is also LAWFUL to every moslem, to rape non-moslem women.



Mohammed ['the messenger of Allah' 'and his companions'] engaged in the capture and rape of non-moslem women.
The Hadith text is cited in this post [with Hadith references in another post, LINK here];
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1589359046/8#8


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Reply #149 - Jan 25th, 2021 at 7:56am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 24th, 2021 at 1:15pm:


Why do you assume that what the Skaf's did is typical of what all Muslims do?

Surely even you can see that they [the Skaf's] were abhorrent in their behavior?



Why do you not condemn them and them alone for what they did?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




brian,

QUESTION;
Why are you so certain, that we can      safely assume      that any typical moslem [ !! a follower of ISLAM !! ] is a morally sound person ?

-------- >

-------- >

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IMAGE.....
...

This preteen Christian girl, ‘willingly married him’

.....her 45 year old moslem abductor, who raped her [a 12 year old girl],
and chained her up for five months’ because she ‘willingly married him.’



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Quote:

Pakistan: Cops won’t investigate Muslim, 45, who kidnapped and raped preteen Christian, she ‘willingly married him’


Jan 23, 2021
By Robert Spencer                        25 Comments

The Christian girl, Farah Shaheen, and her family have no recourse,

...as police in Pakistan are sympathetic to the perpetrator rather than the victim when the perp is a Muslim and the victim is a Christian......


“Pakistan police drop investigation into Muslim man who ‘kidnapped Christian girl, 12, raped her and chained her up for five months’ because she ‘willingly married him,'” by Sophie Tanno and Jack Newman, Mailonline, January 20, 2021:

.....

    Farah Shaheen, now age 13, was abducted from Faisalabad on June 25 and spent over five months in the yard of Muslim man Khizar Hayat, 45, who allegedly raped her.

......

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/01/pakistan-cops-wont-investigate-muslim-45-who-...


e.g.
Are you a middle aged moslem man, living within an ISLAMIC law jurisdiction ?
....like Pakistan.

Do you want a new, young wife, for free ?

Then just abduct a local young Christian girl, and threaten and cajole her, until she agrees to marry you.

It is doubtful, the local [moslem] police will do anything !



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brian,

If you continue to ignore all of this
      .....damning evidence [against ISLAM and moslems],    ALL I CAN ASSUME,    is that your own 'moral compass' is dangerously awry.



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muslims and rape???

qur'an 24.33:And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful.

Forcing a girl to have sex???

Rape:

From the dictionary: Rape. Verb. Force (someone) to have sex against their will.

The qur'an clearly states that allah is forgiving and merciful if a muslims rapes a girl!!!!!!
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Under shariah law there is no punishment for rape. Only for sex outside of marriage and slavery.
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freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 4:25pm:
Under shariah law there is no punishment for rape. Only for sex outside of marriage and slavery.


Really?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, tripped up by reality, yet again, hey, FD?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 5:20pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 4:25pm:
Under shariah law there is no punishment for rape. Only for sex outside of marriage and slavery.


Really?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, tripped up by reality, yet again, hey, FD?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You don't even realise it Brian, but that article agrees entirely with me:

Quote:
Rape is considered a serious sexual crime in Islam, and can be defined in Islamic law as: "Forcible illegal sexual intercourse by a man with a woman who is not legally married to him, without her free will and consent".[8]

Islamic law, like the legal systems of classical antiquity and the ancient Near East, does not contain a true equivalent of the modern concept of rape, which is in turn based on the modern notions of individual autonomy and inviolability of the body, particularly the female body.


There you go Brian, the concept of rape does not even exist in Islam. From your own evidence.
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They cat even spell

Islam

They left off the "E"

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THE QUESTION IS NOT;
Do moslem communities permit their moslem men, to rape non-moslem women and girls ?

THE QUESTION IS;
Does    ISLAMIC law    permit moslem men, to rape non-moslem women and girls ?




TO UNDERSTAND THE MOSLEM MIND, WE NON-MOSLEMS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS CONCEPT ! ------>


Within ISLAM,    all things are permissible,    if they are permitted by ISLAMIC law.



Q.
What is permitted by ISLAMIC law ???

A.
The use of captive non-moslem women as sexual slaves.


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Here we have 2 articles, from 2011, OPENLY stating moslem positions, on the topic sex slaves - in their community.

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Further 'deniable' proof #1,

Kuwait: "Female political activist" calls for legalizing sex slavery to protect men from "adultery or corruption"

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/kuwait-female-political-activist-calls-for-le...


Further 'deniable' proof #2,

"Egyptian imam: "When I want a sex slave, I just go to the market and choose the woman I like and purchase her" "

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/egyptian-imam-when-i-want-a-sex-slave-i-just-...

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Reply #156 - Jan 25th, 2021 at 6:17pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 4:25pm:

Under shariah law there is no punishment for rape.




In ISLAM, there is a concept of rape.

But the morality position, in ISLAM, on the topic of the concept of rape of a woman/girl, changes,
and seems to be very much dependent upon who is asking about this topic.

e.g.
Is the enquiry coming from an infidel, who has some influence over your moslem community's status, within a secular jurisdiction [where strong rape laws apply] ?

Then your firm response would be, that, "ISLAM does not permit rape."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Islamic_law



But in classical ISLAMIC culture and law, the concept of [the crime of] rape, as applying to a non-moslem slave, it seems, does not exist.

i.e.
A captive non-moslem, a slave woman,    IS YOUR PROPERTY,     and you can do as you will, with your own property.


"..Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:..."
Koran 4.22-24

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee;..."
Koran 33.50

"women.....whom your right hands possess"
???

Q.
What does that phrase refer to ???

A.
"those whom your right hands possess"
= = war booty, i.e. female captives, and bought female slaves, who are your property, to do with as you wish.


.


Mohammed claimed that his carnal lust, was 'sanctified' [made 'holy'] by Allah himself.

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Koran 33.50



"O ye who believe! Forbid not the good things which Allah hath made lawful for you, and transgress not, Lo! Allah loveth not transgressors."
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Yadda wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 6:17pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 4:25pm:

Under shariah law there is no punishment for rape.

In ISLAM, there is a concept of rape.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Freediver even Yadda agrees with me. Their is a concept of rape under Sh'ria law.  He disagrees with you.  Funny how reality trips you up, hey?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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One more time for the slow.

freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 6:01pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 5:20pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2021 at 4:25pm:
Under shariah law there is no punishment for rape. Only for sex outside of marriage and slavery.


Really?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, tripped up by reality, yet again, hey, FD?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You don't even realise it Brian, but that article agrees entirely with me:

Quote:
Rape is considered a serious sexual crime in Islam, and can be defined in Islamic law as: "Forcible illegal sexual intercourse by a man with a woman who is not legally married to him, without her free will and consent".[8]

Islamic law, like the legal systems of classical antiquity and the ancient Near East, does not contain a true equivalent of the modern concept of rape, which is in turn based on the modern notions of individual autonomy and inviolability of the body, particularly the female body.


There you go Brian, the concept of rape does not even exist in Islam. From your own evidence.

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Australia's first convicted terrorist to stay in jail, High Court rules


Nick Pearson 9 hrs ago

Terrorist Abdul Nacer Benbrika to stay in jail


The Supreme Court found Benbrika had not given up his extremist views and had a high risk of reoffending.


https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australias-first-convicted-terrorist-to...

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Chapter (24) sūrat l-nūr (The Light)
24.33:And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful.

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Mohammad Skaf parole decision postponed


By Kelly Fedor • Court Reporter
11:23am Feb 12, 2021


One of the notorious Skaf gang rapists will not be released on parole for at least another two and a half months, with the State Parole Authority (SPA) raising concerns about the safety of the community.
Mohammed Skaf, 38, appeared in public for the first time in almost a decade as he pleaded for release.



In putting off a decision on parole, Justice Frearson said he had real concerns about the safety of the community if Skaf were released.
"He has done the program, he's still a denier, what does it take for him to acknowledge some responsibility?"



https://www.9news.com.au/national/mohammad-skaf-parole-decision-postponed-concer...

This denier might get day release albeit under strict conditions. It looks to me like the Parole Board will cave and let this rapist loose in the community while he continues to deny his guilt because of his Islamic teachings - women must be covered, and be muslim

Nothing should be taken for granted, muslims have a different philosophy on life to the Traditional Aussie, and every now and then, a muslim emerges from the "moderate" muslim community to make a deadly sacrifice for Islam, to become a martyr and please Allah

Therefore, we need to stay on our toes, the next muslim attack could be later this year or early next year. But Covid has put a lid on most things, however we shouldn't let Covid block everything else from our minds


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Reply #162 - Feb 19th, 2021 at 8:01pm
 
Terror plot planned from inside Goulburn Supermax jail cell: police

By Nick Pearson
11:56am Feb 19, 2021


"A 24-year-old man plotted a terror attack while he was behind bars at NSW's highest security prison, police allege."


"After an investigation spanning more than two years, the 24-year-old was charged yesterday with two counts of acts done in preparation for or planning terrorist acts."



https://www.9news.com.au/national/terror-attack-goulburn-supermax-prison-terrori...


What's wrong with this guy? All he had to do was go straight, do his time, then resume his life outside but this time live a trouble free life without any thoughts of harming people. But it looks like he blew it

What is it that makes him want to harm others? ... I don't get it
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Reply #163 - Feb 20th, 2021 at 6:53am
 
If it were my daughter.....

It would have died in gaol,

Or I would be waiting for it when it came out.

Either way, it wouldn't be capable of doing it again.
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Reply #164 - Mar 20th, 2021 at 10:18am
 
This is a reminder that Islamic extremism is still alive in Australia. One of these young muslims is a member of ISIS. He and his brother were arrested on terrorism related charges, lighting a suspicious fire, buying a knife and assault of a person in Melbourne's CBD


Key points:

Two men, aged 19 and 20, will face court charged with attempting a terrorist act
   
The men were arrested by counter-terrorism police on Wednesday

   
One of the men is also charged with being a member of ISIS


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-18/two-men-charged-with-attempting-a-terrori...


There may be more young muslims in Melbourne prone to commit violence for ISIS, so traditional Aussies should at all times be fully aware of the possibility and be vigilant and remember that while muslims do many of the same things we Aussies do, like go to work, drives cars, watch TV and shop in shopping malls, they don't necessarily think the same as we do

Muslims live to please Allah and his Koran, and this is passed on to their children, some of whom get carried away with it and out-do their parents by becoming somewhat extreme about Islam which in turn can mean becoming aggressive and possibly violent to appease Allah, when we least expect it. Acceding to Allah and his Koran (and ISIS) is what it's all about


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Reply #165 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:43am
 
Slide along to 2.0 minutes to hear what two converts to Islam have to say about terrorism




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Reply #166 - May 5th, 2021 at 12:38am
 
Spy boss says ASIO anticipating terrorist attack in the next year from either right-wing or Islamic extremists


By political reporter Georgia Hitch
Posted 5 days ago, updated 5 days ago


The head of the nation's domestic intelligence agency has told a parliamentary inquiry that it is anticipating there will be a terrorist attack in Australia sometime in the next year.



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/asio-anticipate-terrorist-attack-right-wi...


ASIO's message is meant for us, the general public, that's why it was published. So let's not waste the message, tell friends and relatives to be aware of a possible terror attack in the next 12 months

I've already predicted an Islamic attack will occur later this year in Australia, but the chances of it happening are getting slimmer because of less involvement in Afghanistan and announcements of such. However, there are other reasons extremist muslims have for attacking Aussies, so be on your guard, keep an eye open, Western culture is frowned upon by (extremist) muslims
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Reply #167 - May 9th, 2021 at 9:13pm
 
Accused Islamic State supporter Mohamed Zuhbi arrives in Australia after being deported from Turkey
ABC Investigations

By Dylan Welch and Suzanne Dredge
Posted 6hhours ago, updated 57mminutes ago


This guy is now back in Australia after his deportation from Turkey. He's being charged with six terrorism-related offences related to his seven years in Syria and Turkey.

The AFP expects to charge Zuhbi with engaging in hostilities in Syria, giving support to a terrorist organisation, and entering a declared area.


"He attracted so much attention he also appeared live from Turkey during an episode of the SBS panel show, Insight."

"Look, I'm not, I'm not a part of any particular group
but I'm most vocal, vocally supportive of the Islamic State
," he told the audience.

"I believe that they are the future of Syria and I believe that they're the future of the Islamic empire to come
.



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-09/accused-islamic-state-supporter-lands-in-...

Could this accused terrorist ever be de-radicalized?  Probably not, it's hard to say

Take care everywhere you go, protect yourselves by gaining knowledge about muslims, some emerge from the mainstream muslim community and take on a terrorist role


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Reply #168 - May 9th, 2021 at 9:17pm
 
Put him away for the full 25 years and then deport him.

Better still, slip him a few pills and let him top himself.

He is of no value to Australia, to the world or to himself.
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Islamophobia rules it seems.  People are so afraid of Islam that is all they think about, their fear.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #170 - May 9th, 2021 at 11:15pm
 
Valkie wrote on May 9th, 2021 at 9:17pm:
Put him away for the full 25 years and then deport him.

Better still, slip him a few pills and let him top himself.

He is of no value to Australia, to the world or to himself.


He was also wanted in the US, but the Americans are apparently happy for Australia to prosecute him here

It'd be nice if we didn't have this type of problem, then there'd be more money to go towards tangible infrastructure and the like



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Reply #171 - May 10th, 2021 at 4:50pm
 
Quote:
I believe that they're the future of the Islamic empire to come.


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Islamophobia rules it seems.  People are so afraid of Islam that is all they think about, their fear.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Reply #173 - May 11th, 2021 at 12:44pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:43am:
Slide along to 2.0 minutes to hear what two converts to Islam have to say about terrorism







So NOT fearing Islam is defying Allah and Muslims. Fearing Islam - Islamophobia- is the Koranically  correct attitude for non-believers.
Good to have it cleared up, finally.


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Reply #174 - May 12th, 2021 at 8:32am
 
Don't fear them, its what they want.

Just be prepared to do what is required if they start anything.

When I go bush walking, I'm not afraid of snakes, but I'm happy to use a stick to frighten it off or, if necessary, kill it.

When near snakes, its stupid to expect them to be harmless, be prepared.

Most snakes will slither away and not start trouble.

But some are quite aggressive and will attack without provocation, there is but one action when dealing with these snakes.

Kill them.

Muzzos are simply snakes.....most are cowardly and will run away.
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Reply #175 - May 12th, 2021 at 12:03pm
 

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Reply #176 - May 12th, 2021 at 2:32pm
 
Here's a bit of honesty from some muslim students ....


How Muslim Students Perceive Australia and Australians
A National Survey

Abe Ata
Deakin University - Australia

https://immi.se/intercultural/nr41/ata.html



What are the first words that come to your mind… when you hear the word 'Australian'?



When asked for the first words that come {to} mind when the word Australian is mentioned, just under one third (29%) offered neutral or negative comments specifically relating to cultural images or symbols including the words Cronulla, bogan, boogan, beer, drugs, the bush, Howard, Christian, blonds, fags, pussies, gay, cricket, Freckles, BBQ and thongs.

About 21% offered positive qualities including peaceful, cultured, nice, easy going, O. K people and freedom.

A smaller group (8%) referred to multiculturalism; 12% referred to patriotic qualities including Australia my country, I am born in Australia; 3% referred to culture based values including a fair go and mateship.

One in ten (!2%) offered generalized negative comments including being lost, confused, dickheads, rednecks, hostile, arrogant, greedy, , non-believers and racist.

About one respondent in eleven (9%) offered no response.


Note how they connect "Australian" to just one race of people (implied), and not any other race



More of interest .... "Australian schools should teach more about muslims", is one in this survey. Another - "Most muslims treat women with less respect than do other Australians" (depends on which women doesn't it? muslim or Aussie) ....


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Reply #179 - May 12th, 2021 at 5:27pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:14pm:
Islamophobia rules it seems.  People are so afraid of Islam that is all they think about, their fear.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

What do you think about all day?
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Reply #180 - May 12th, 2021 at 5:36pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:14pm:
Islamophobia rules it seems.  People are so afraid of Islam that is all they think about, their fear.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

What do you think about all day?


More than it appears the Islamophobes think about.  They only have one over-riding fear - their Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #181 - May 12th, 2021 at 5:40pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:36pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:14pm:
Islamophobia rules it seems.  People are so afraid of Islam that is all they think about, their fear.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

What do you think about all day?


More than it appears the Islamophobes think about.  They only have one over-riding fear - their Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Islamophobia takes up most of your day... so leaving that aside...?
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Reply #182 - May 12th, 2021 at 9:51pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:36pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:14pm:
Islamophobia rules it seems.  People are so afraid of Islam that is all they think about, their fear.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

What do you think about all day?


More than it appears the Islamophobes think about.  They only have one over-riding fear - their Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Islamophobia takes up most of your day... so leaving that aside...?


Oh, no, it takes only a fraction of my day.  I have far more important matters to attend to.  You? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #183 - May 13th, 2021 at 8:32am
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 9:51pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:36pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:14pm:
Islamophobia rules it seems.  People are so afraid of Islam that is all they think about, their fear.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

What do you think about all day?


More than it appears the Islamophobes think about.  They only have one over-riding fear - their Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Islamophobia takes up most of your day... so leaving that aside...?


Oh, no, it takes only a fraction of my day.  I have far more important matters to attend to.  You? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Yes, you have to get onto Dr Google and work out which new doctorates you will claim.

You have to tie your shoe laces, which is a 2 hour job for someone with your IQ.

and of course, you have to try and work out which way to open your door.

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Reply #184 - May 13th, 2021 at 10:26am
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 9:51pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:36pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:14pm:
Islamophobia rules it seems.  People are so afraid of Islam that is all they think about, their fear.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

What do you think about all day?


More than it appears the Islamophobes think about.  They only have one over-riding fear - their Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Islamophobia takes up most of your day... so leaving that aside...?


Oh, no, it takes only a fraction of my day.  I have far more important matters to attend to.  You? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Islamophobia interests me in the context of the human instinctive predisposition towards 'tribalism' - our instinctive tendency towards defining of 'the other' as an 'us' or a 'them'.

This instinct is a feature of all primates' neurological behaviour but in humans it reaches stratospheric levels such that it can be triggered in just about any situation; up to and including whether 'the other' is a 'them' because they're wearing sports attire of a rival team to yours.

It is so easily manipulable in humans that political / social / cultural / religious rhetoric is largely predicated on it.

Our predisposition towards it transcends IQ, education and almost anything else that would be considered human higher functioning.

And one thing is for certain: to try to 'tutt tutt', 'tsk tsk' or 'dearie dearie me' it away is 100% counterproductive and indicates only that the 'tutt-tutter' is trying to manifest a sense of moral / intellectual superiority over 'the other'...

Yeah, that's right... The tutt-tutter is also affected by the 'us and them' dichotomy but in a more grossly disingenuous way than his 'victim'.
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Reply #185 - May 14th, 2021 at 6:38am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 13th, 2021 at 10:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 9:51pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:36pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:14pm:
Islamophobia rules it seems.  People are so afraid of Islam that is all they think about, their fear.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

What do you think about all day?


More than it appears the Islamophobes think about.  They only have one over-riding fear - their Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Islamophobia takes up most of your day... so leaving that aside...?


Oh, no, it takes only a fraction of my day.  I have far more important matters to attend to.  You? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Islamophobia interests me in the context of the human instinctive predisposition towards 'tribalism' - our instinctive tendency towards defining of 'the other' as an 'us' or a 'them'.

This instinct is a feature of all primates' neurological behaviour but in humans it reaches stratospheric levels such that it can be triggered in just about any situation; up to and including whether 'the other' is a 'them' because they're wearing sports attire of a rival team to yours.

It is so easily manipulable in humans that political / social / cultural / religious rhetoric is largely predicated on it.

Our predisposition towards it transcends IQ, education and almost anything else that would be considered human higher functioning.

And one thing is for certain: to try to 'tutt tutt', 'tsk tsk' or 'dearie dearie me' it away is 100% counterproductive and indicates only that the 'tutt-tutter' is trying to manifest a sense of moral / intellectual superiority over 'the other'...

Yeah, that's right... The tutt-tutter is also affected by the 'us and them' dichotomy but in a more grossly disingenuous way than his 'victim'.

So, if you actually were morally / intellectually competent, you should at least cultivate in yourself a sense of duty to transcend the instinctively primal predisposition towards the dichotomy of 'us' and 'them'.

Sometimes that might be in the context of 'the buddha of wrath', sometimes with humour (as opposed to derision) and/or sometimes by empathically intuiting the mindset of the writers behind their written words.
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Reply #186 - May 14th, 2021 at 11:02am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 6:38am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 13th, 2021 at 10:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 9:51pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:36pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 12th, 2021 at 5:14pm:
Islamophobia rules it seems.  People are so afraid of Islam that is all they think about, their fear.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

What do you think about all day?


More than it appears the Islamophobes think about.  They only have one over-riding fear - their Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Islamophobia takes up most of your day... so leaving that aside...?


Oh, no, it takes only a fraction of my day.  I have far more important matters to attend to.  You? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Islamophobia interests me in the context of the human instinctive predisposition towards 'tribalism' - our instinctive tendency towards defining of 'the other' as an 'us' or a 'them'.

This instinct is a feature of all primates' neurological behaviour but in humans it reaches stratospheric levels such that it can be triggered in just about any situation; up to and including whether 'the other' is a 'them' because they're wearing sports attire of a rival team to yours.

It is so easily manipulable in humans that political / social / cultural / religious rhetoric is largely predicated on it.

Our predisposition towards it transcends IQ, education and almost anything else that would be considered human higher functioning.

And one thing is for certain: to try to 'tutt tutt', 'tsk tsk' or 'dearie dearie me' it away is 100% counterproductive and indicates only that the 'tutt-tutter' is trying to manifest a sense of moral / intellectual superiority over 'the other'...

Yeah, that's right... The tutt-tutter is also affected by the 'us and them' dichotomy but in a more grossly disingenuous way than his 'victim'.

So, if you actually were morally / intellectually competent, you should at least cultivate in yourself a sense of duty to transcend the instinctively primal predisposition towards the dichotomy of 'us' and 'them'.

Sometimes that might be in the context of 'the buddha of wrath', sometimes with humour (as opposed to derision) and/or sometimes by empathically intuiting the mindset of the writers behind their written words.



Sorry, I was demonstrating that Islamophobia is a long way down my priority list of concerns.  Were you worried I was ignoring you?  Fear not, I have returned to the issue. 

The matter of tribalism is something that affects most people at a basic level. It is what determines our allegiance to a football team or similar and our reaction towards the opposition.  In the matter of Islam the reaction of most Australians is coloured by what they have absorbed from the media in it's negative views of most Muslims. 

Most Australians have never encountered a Muslim.  They only know what they read/see/hear from the media about them.  I've served with, studied with, worked with numerous Muslims over the decades.  I've yet to encounter a bad one or a militant one.  Doesn't mean they don't exist, just that they are far rarer than most Islamophobes are willing to admit.

Their fears override all reasoned argument.  Which is why I resort to derision.  It doesn't get through to them but it effectively states my position on the issue.  They seek to persecute innocent people who's only crime is that they worship a different religion to the mainstream Christian one.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 11:02am:
Sorry, I was demonstrating that Islamophobia is a long way down my priority list of concerns.  Were you worried I was ignoring you?  Fear not, I have returned to the issue. 

The matter of tribalism is something that affects most people at a basic level. It is what determines out allegiance to a football team or similar and our reaction towards the opposition.  In the matter of Islam the reaction of most Australians is coloured by what they have absorbed from the media in it's negative views of most Muslims. 

Most Australians have never encountered a Muslim.  They only know what they read/see/hear from the media about them.  I've served with, studied with, worked with numerous Muslims over the decades.  I've yet to encounter a bad one or a militant one.  Doesn't mean they don't exist, just that they are far rarer than most Islamophobes are willing to admit.

Their fears override all reasoned argument.  Which is why I resort to derision.  It doesn't get through to them but it effectively states my position on the issue.  They seek to persecute innocent people who's only crime is that they worship a different religion to the mainstream Christian one.

Not worried you were ignoring me, just wondering whether you were a coward.

I'm sure you'll find 'Christiophobes' peppered among a majority Muslim population as well... It's almost certain you will...

You'll find African-Americans who rant about 'white privilege' in the US and Indians who rant about '1st world privilege' in India referring to the same phenomenon.

It all depends on who's an 'us' and who's a 'them'.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 11:08am:
Not worried you were ignoring me, just wondering whether you were a coward.


Me, a coward?  Never.

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There maybe but I have yet to encounter one.

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It all depends on who's an 'us' and who's a 'them'.


Really?  I've yet to encounter a large number of African-Americans so I can't really comment about their views of what White/Asian/etc-Americans believe.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Really?  I've yet to encounter a large number of African-Americans so I can't really comment about their views of what White/Asian/etc-Americans believe. 

I'm sure you've never met electrons either, but I'd doubt you'd disbelieve in the fact of their existence and general properties.

Maybe you should read a little of what Paul Rossi stood against when, as a teacher, he was forced to inculcate 'white' children in his classroom with race guilt because they are white. Even though the Principal of the school agreed with him, he was forced to 'take leave', be 're-educated' and ultimately had to resign.

Only African-Americans from slave ancestry have a unidimensional perception of race as their respective specific identities were annihilated by slavery... So, to them 'us' are black Americans and 'them' are white Americans... Curiously they don't seem to like to identify with Africans.

Very few, if any, white children identify themselves as 'white' in and of itself, having a multi-dimensional perception of their identity.

They may be American/Canadian/Australian etc... But they're also have their Irish/ Welsh/ English/ Scottish/ European etc.. ancestry as a dimension to their identity. They also have religion (particularly the low-resolution divide of Catholicism / Protestantism). They also have Euro-centric parochialism...
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I haven't met an electron.  I don't think anybody has.  However I know what I learnt in physics class many decades ago about what properties electrons display.

Before we discuss black versus white properties you must remember, American-Blacks were ex-slaves and the descendents of slaves for the most part.  Therefore what ever cultural identity they had were wiped out by the experience of being owned by White people.  So, before you can condemn them you need to understand where they are coming from.

In Australia, white colonial descendants have long accepted the propaganda that Black indigenous Australians were simple people, nomadic in their culture and all they ever invented was a "stick".  Alone comes various discoveries, usually by white Archaeologists that have discovered that most indigenous Australians were nomadic in their existence but there appear to have been exceptions at various times where potentially more sophisticated societies existed.  Whenever this is mentioned, there is torrent of abuse from White colonial descendents who refuse to accept the latest scientific findings and what it meant to Indigenous Australians. Such people often refuse to discuss the issue rationally, preferring argument ad huminem.

So Australia has a far basic level of Racism compared to the US.  The US refuses to accept Blacks as humans all too often.  Australians look down on Indigenous Australians 'cause that was how it always was for them.
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We don't look down on abbos for being abbos.

We look down on abbos for being lazy parasites.

Just a bit of a difference there stooopid.
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Racism rules it seems.  People are so afraid of other "races" that is all they think about, their fear.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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You seem to try and make out any post not in line with you makes someone afraid.

This means that you are projecting.

It is you who is the coward, like all muzzos.

Cowards that refuse to debate because you know you will lose.

Cowardly, frightened of white, Anglo Saxon, hetrosexual males.

Poor widdle bwyannnnnnnnn, fwitened of everything.

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The Court just protected Aussies somewhat by jailing this killer for 33 years non-parole. It wasn't for robbery, it wasn't for domestic violence, it wasn't for a drug deal gone wrong, and it wasn't resulting from unprovable self defense

So what was it all about, why did he do it? Well, we get a clue, he cried out "Allah Akbar" during his stabbing spree. I'm sure there's no need for me to say any more, except that we have this new type of religious attitude in Australia that can lead to violence in our community. An attitude and set of values that are different to the attitudes and values of the "Aussie" population. Some people of a certain religion are quite willing to sacrifice their lives or spend half their lives in prison to get their point across, that Western culture is not for them, nor should it be for anyone else


The man who murdered Sydney woman Michaela Dunn before terrorising the city’s streets with a knife has been sentenced to 44 years behind bars, for what a judge described as a "violent, terrifying and chaotic rampage".

Mert Ney repeatedly stabbed the 24-year-old in a CBD apartment in August 2019, before filming the crime scene on his phone and sending graphic videos to friends on social media.



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-14/nsw-mert-ney-sentenced-to-44-years-behind...


Be aware and keep a look out for more of these killers in the future





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Theres nothing to indicate that this attack was motivated by Islam.
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rhino wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 9:46pm:
Theres nothing to indicate that this attack was motivated by Islam.



Exactly. Shouting 'Allahu Akhbar' while stabbing is a universally acknowledged sign of having nothing to do with Allah, Islam or Muslims. It is blatantly racist and Islamophobic to link Allahu Akhbaring stabbings to Muslims or Islam.

I am so upset by the implied Islamophobia here that I could almost yawn and roll my eyes. 

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Racism rules it seems.  People are so afraid of other "races" that is all they think about, their fear.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Bertie wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 10:35pm:
rhino wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 9:46pm:
Theres nothing to indicate that this attack was motivated by Islam.



Exactly. Shouting 'Allahu Akhbar' while stabbing is a universally acknowledged sign of having nothing to do with Allah, Islam or Muslims. It is blatantly racist and Islamophobic to link Allahu Akhbaring stabbings to Muslims or Islam.

I am so upset by the implied Islamophobia here that I could almost yawn and roll my eyes. 

Allah Akbar has been quoted so often that every random nutter uses it. Its also a phrase thats been around for a while and I have been using it myself on occasion since the 80's, its indicative of nothing. It literally means "God is great" by the way. This guy was just a random nutter if you actually take the time to read the article instead of just responding to the dog whistling.
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Brian Ross wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 10:54pm:
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Racism rules it seems.  People are so afraid of other "races" that is all they think about, their fear.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Islam isnt a race Brian.
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rhino wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 10:59pm:
Allah Akbar has been quoted so often that every random nutter uses it. Its also a phrase thats been around for a while and I have been using it myself on occasion since the 80's, its indicative of nothing. It literally means "God is great" by the way. This guy was just a random nutter if you actually take the time to read the article instead of just responding to the dog whistling.



He used "Allah Akbar" for a different purpose than you used it for I'm imagining. Did you kill someone every time you said it?
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Bias_2012 wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 11:12pm:
rhino wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 10:59pm:
Allah Akbar has been quoted so often that every random nutter uses it. Its also a phrase thats been around for a while and I have been using it myself on occasion since the 80's, its indicative of nothing. It literally means "God is great" by the way. This guy was just a random nutter if you actually take the time to read the article instead of just responding to the dog whistling.



He used "Allah Akbar" for a different purpose than you used it for I'm imagining. Did you kill someone every time you said it?
Ive heard it said thousands of times without anyone being killed, whats your point? You think Its a magic phrase which only Islamic killers are allowed to use? Thats pretty stupid. Read the article dummy, then you will find someone with actual intelligence telling you what motivated the killing. this type of wankfest doesnt help your cause because it makes you look stupid. Which im sure you are anyway, prove me wrong.
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rhino wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 11:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 10:54pm:
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Racism rules it seems.  People are so afraid of other "races" that is all they think about, their fear.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Islam isnt a race Brian.


Really?  How about that, hey?  Now tell me where did I claim it was, Rhino?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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rhino wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 11:17pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 11:12pm:
rhino wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 10:59pm:
Allah Akbar has been quoted so often that every random nutter uses it. Its also a phrase thats been around for a while and I have been using it myself on occasion since the 80's, its indicative of nothing. It literally means "God is great" by the way. This guy was just a random nutter if you actually take the time to read the article instead of just responding to the dog whistling.



He used "Allah Akbar" for a different purpose than you used it for I'm imagining. Did you kill someone every time you said it?
Ive heard it said thousands of times without anyone being killed, whats your point? You think Its a magic phrase which only Islamic killers are allowed to use? Thats pretty stupid. Read the article dummy, then you will find someone with actual intelligence telling you what motivated the killing. this type of wankfest doesnt help your cause because it makes you look stupid. Which im sure you are anyway, prove me wrong.


Touchy!

You don't expect the ABC to publish the whole truth do you? That link was for the headline

God willing you will refrain from using language that muslim terrorists use during their killing sprees

His family are middle eastern and apparently non practicing muslims

These are from a NZ news site and News.com ....

"I saw a lot of news articles saying about terrorism but a family doesn't have to practise Islam
- sister of Ney

Police reveal more details about alleged knifeman Mert Ney ... “He had some domestic violence issues linked back to his family, that again, were ... stabber's social media activity had included posts about converting to Islam.


He insisted he was only pretending to be a terrorist when he shouted “Allahu Akbar” and did the Islamic State salute so police would shoot him dead.


It was an attack on behalf of ISIS, bet on it


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And, it must be noted.

He only attacked women, running from men

This is atypical behavior of a muzzo, because they are all cowards.

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Brian Ross wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 4:58pm:
Before we discuss black versus white properties you must remember, American-Blacks were ex-slaves and the descendents of slaves for the most part.  Therefore what ever cultural identity they had were wiped out by the experience of being owned by White people.  So, before you can condemn them you need to understand where they are coming from.

No condemnation of African-Americans is intended.

However, imposing guilt by inherited ancestry based only on skin colour is not only too simplistic an idea to effect a positive change, but it fuels a resentment from the innocent that almost certainly will fuel more racism (not to mention the irony of it being racist itself).

This is an example of the politics of grievance-culture and not one that will lessen racism or the suffering due to racism.

In effect, it requires that, say, a white Danish family who emigrates to the US, must bear the burden of guilt for race crimes neither committed by family members nor any of their ancestors.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2021 at 11:23am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 4:58pm:
Before we discuss black versus white properties you must remember, American-Blacks were ex-slaves and the descendents of slaves for the most part.  Therefore what ever cultural identity they had were wiped out by the experience of being owned by White people.  So, before you can condemn them you need to understand where they are coming from.

No condemnation of African-Americans is intended.

However, imposing guilt by inherited ancestry based only on skin colour is not only too simplistic an idea to effect a positive change, but it fuels a resentment from the innocent that almost certainly will fuel more racism (not to mention the irony of it being racist itself).

This is an example of the politics of grievance-culture and not one that will lessen racism or the suffering due to racism.

In effect, it requires that, say, a white Danish family who emigrates to the US, must bear the burden of guilt for race crimes neither committed by family members nor any of their ancestors.


No guilt burden is required or intended.  Shame, on the otherhand is.  Shame that they are quite willing to partake of the proceeds of the crimes which cause Indigenous Australians from living in their land in the manner that they preferred. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Bias_2012 wrote on May 15th, 2021 at 4:10am:
rhino wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 11:17pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 11:12pm:
rhino wrote on May 14th, 2021 at 10:59pm:
Allah Akbar has been quoted so often that every random nutter uses it. Its also a phrase thats been around for a while and I have been using it myself on occasion since the 80's, its indicative of nothing. It literally means "God is great" by the way. This guy was just a random nutter if you actually take the time to read the article instead of just responding to the dog whistling.



He used "Allah Akbar" for a different purpose than you used it for I'm imagining. Did you kill someone every time you said it?
Ive heard it said thousands of times without anyone being killed, whats your point? You think Its a magic phrase which only Islamic killers are allowed to use? Thats pretty stupid. Read the article dummy, then you will find someone with actual intelligence telling you what motivated the killing. this type of wankfest doesnt help your cause because it makes you look stupid. Which im sure you are anyway, prove me wrong.


Touchy!

You don't expect the ABC to publish the whole truth do you? That link was for the headline

God willing you will refrain from using language that muslim terrorists use during their killing sprees

His family are middle eastern and apparently non practicing muslims

These are from a NZ news site and News.com ....

"I saw a lot of news articles saying about terrorism but a family doesn't have to practise Islam
- sister of Ney

Police reveal more details about alleged knifeman Mert Ney ... “He had some domestic violence issues linked back to his family, that again, were ... stabber's social media activity had included posts about converting to Islam.


He insisted he was only pretending to be a terrorist when he shouted “Allahu Akbar” and did the Islamic State salute so police would shoot him dead.
Why would I be touchy? Im just correcting your stupidity. Again for the thickos, that means you. Allah Akbar is not a term used exclusively by terrorists. All you had to do was read the article, you didnt, now you look stupid (again) read the article and the sentencing judges remarks. This attack was not motivated by Islam no matter what fairy stories you make up.


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yet, zero evidence, not