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Re: Hockey Stick Broken.
Reply #45 - Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:05pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 11:58am:

lee wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 11:56am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 11:47am:

Orestes 2004 was looking at peer reviewed abstracts not scientists

That hasn't stopped NASA claiming otherwise.

NASA also claim Cook et al as scientists not as climate abstracts.

"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*:"

"J. Cook, et al, "Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature," Environmental Research Letters Vol. 8 No. 2, (15 May 2013); DOI:10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024"

"N. Oreskes, “Beyond the Ivory Tower: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change,” Science Vol. 306 no. 5702, p. 1686 (3 December 2004); DOI: 10.1126/science.1103618."

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

BTW - You do know skeptical science is a blog by J Cook of Cook et al 2013 fame. Circular logic much. Wink

Thats why I looked up the original article and still had an issue.

No point trying to debate a conspiracy theorist Bojack....They believe Global Warming is a conspiracy between scientists and scientific organisations to shut down fossil fuel (No explanation as to why they would lie)....How do you debate stupidity that does not respond to facts???

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16452 Gender:	Re: Hockey Stick Broken. Reply #46 - Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:11pm philperth2010 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:05pm: No point trying to debate a conspiracy theorist Bojack.. poor phil. The arch conspiracy theorist. What NASA has on its web page the calls for a 97% consensus was put their by conspiracy theorists. NASA just hasn't taken it down yet.
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Re: Hockey Stick Broken.
Reply #47 - Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:14pm

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:05pm:

No point trying to debate a conspiracy theorist Bojack....They believe Global Warming is a conspiracy between scientists and scientific organisations to shut down fossil fuel (No explanation as to why they would lie)....How do you debate stupidity that does not respond to facts???

Roll Eyes

A lot of scientists don't get funding unless they blame CO2.
That is well documented in the Ice Age Thread
in the Environment forum.

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Re: Hockey Stick Broken.
Reply #48 - Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:59pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:05pm:

No point trying to debate a conspiracy theorist Bojack....They believe Global Warming is a conspiracy between scientists and scientific organisations to shut down fossil fuel (No explanation as to why they would lie)....How do you debate stupidity that does not respond to facts???

Roll Eyes

A lot of scientists don't get funding unless they blame CO2.
That is well documented in the Ice Age Thread
in the Environment forum.

So you believe these scientists and organisations like NASA and the CSIRO are in a conspiracy as well....Do you have shares in tin foil mate???

Roll Eyes

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Re: Hockey Stick Broken.
Reply #49 - Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:04pm

lee wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 11:37am:

freediver wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 7:51am:

The original northern hemisphere hockey stick graph of Mann, Bradley & Hughes 1999, smoothed curve shown in blue with its uncertainty range in light blue, overlaid with green dots showing the 30-year global average of the PAGES 2k Consortium 2013 reconstruction.

That uncertainty in light blue shows uncertainty of over 1C. Just sayin'. Wink

You seem reluctant to actually say anything of import. Just saying...

Where will you retreat to next?

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Re: Hockey Stick Broken.
Reply #50 - Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:06pm

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:05pm:

No point trying to debate a conspiracy theorist Bojack....They believe Global Warming is a conspiracy between scientists and scientific organisations to shut down fossil fuel (No explanation as to why they would lie)....How do you debate stupidity that does not respond to facts???

Roll Eyes

A lot of scientists don't get funding unless they blame CO2.
That is well documented in the Ice Age Thread
in the Environment forum.

So you believe these scientists and organisations like NASA and the CSIRO are in a conspiracy as well....Do you have shares in tin foil mate???

Roll Eyes

I just present evidence and let the readers decide.
I also present evidence for global warming.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16452 Gender:	Re: Hockey Stick Broken. Reply #51 - Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:08pm freediver wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:04pm: You seem reluctant to actually say anything of import. Just saying... Where will you retreat to next? Poor fd seeing retreat whenever there is advance. It must be your own. You didn't understand multiple studies support global MWP?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47571 At my desk.	Re: Hockey Stick Broken. Reply #52 - Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:09pm Have you ever tried deciding for yourself before you regurgitate whatever you come across Bobby?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95653 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Hockey Stick Broken. Reply #53 - Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:10pm freediver wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:09pm: Have you ever tried deciding for yourself before you regurgitate whatever you come across Bobby? I can't decide - it's too complicated. Scientists keep finding new closed loop control systems in our weather & climate. I don't think anyone understands it.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16452 Gender:	Re: Hockey Stick Broken. Reply #54 - Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:11pm Or perhaps you didn't understand only 10 sites since 1880 in SH out of 116? Do you think that would present a bias? Just imagine all that water with no temperature.
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Re: Hockey Stick Broken.
Reply #55 - Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:11pm

lee wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:08pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:04pm:

You seem reluctant to actually say anything of import. Just saying...

Where will you retreat to next?

Poor fd seeing retreat whenever there is advance. It must be your own.

You didn't understand multiple studies support global MWP? Wink

So that would be a retreat to idiocy? Is there something you want you actually say?

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Re: Hockey Stick Broken.
Reply #56 - Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:13pm

freediver wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:11pm:

lee wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:08pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:04pm:

You seem reluctant to actually say anything of import. Just saying...

Where will you retreat to next?

Poor fd seeing retreat whenever there is advance. It must be your own.

You didn't understand multiple studies support global MWP? Wink

So that would be a retreat to idiocy?

Seeing as it is your retreat you get the say. Wink

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Re: Hockey Stick Broken.
Reply #57 - Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:32pm

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:05pm:

No point trying to debate a conspiracy theorist Bojack....They believe Global Warming is a conspiracy between scientists and scientific organisations to shut down fossil fuel (No explanation as to why they would lie)....How do you debate stupidity that does not respond to facts???

Roll Eyes

A lot of scientists don't get funding unless they blame CO2.
That is well documented in the Ice Age Thread
in the Environment forum.

So you believe these scientists and organisations like NASA and the CSIRO are in a conspiracy as well....Do you have shares in tin foil mate???

Roll Eyes

I suppose you also believe in Fluoride science?
Tobacco science?
DDT science?
Asbestos science?

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Re: Hockey Stick Broken.
Reply #58 - Aug 29^th, 2019 at 2:12pm

Gnads wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:32pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:05pm:

No point trying to debate a conspiracy theorist Bojack....They believe Global Warming is a conspiracy between scientists and scientific organisations to shut down fossil fuel (No explanation as to why they would lie)....How do you debate stupidity that does not respond to facts???

Roll Eyes

A lot of scientists don't get funding unless they blame CO2.
That is well documented in the Ice Age Thread
in the Environment forum.

So you believe these scientists and organisations like NASA and the CSIRO are in a conspiracy as well....Do you have shares in tin foil mate???

Roll Eyes

I suppose you also believe in Fluoride science?
Tobacco science?
DDT science?
Asbestos science?

Another conspiracy....Tell us all about it....(backs away slowly)???

Roll Eyes

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Re: Hockey Stick Broken.
Reply #59 - Aug 29^th, 2019 at 2:18pm

lee wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 12:03pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 11:58am:

Thats why I looked up the original article and still had an issue.

Which then shows the issue is with NASA. Surely they have enough funding to be able to read and analyse papers?

So then why are you posting that this is evidence of no consensus, when clearly the article doesn't say that at all.

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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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