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Aug 27th, 2019 at 4:47pm
 
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Scientist” Michael Mann Loses in Court, Forced to Pay Court Costs — Global Warming Hoax Hit Hardest

Back in 2009, “Climategate” was a massive scandal with leaked documents revealing the climate change scam to be what it is,

Christopher Booker of the Telegraph back in 2009 slammed the climate alarmists behind the claims of global warming that was proving to be non-existent.

Dr. Michael Mann, the scientist that co-authored a famous graph of temperature trends known as the “hockey stick graph” was implicated in the 2009 global warming email scandal

This same Dr. Michael Mann, in 2012, sued the National Review and Competitive Enterprise Institute over their critique of his work regarding the climate change hoax. Mann even posted to his Facebook page about the lawsuit.

He featured a link to his attorney’s website just below the above opening statement.

In 2017, Dr. Michael “Hockey Stick” Mann committed contempt of court in what was dubbed the “climate science trial of the century”.

Dr. Mann defied the judge presiding over the case and refused to surrender his data for “open court examination”. This is routine practice for scientific study to determine if the results will stand up against examination.  But Dr. Mann refused to turn over his data.

Principia Scientific noted the following:

“Only possible outcome: Mann’s humiliation, defeat and likely criminal investigation in the U.S.”

79-year-old Canadian climatologist Dr. Tim Ball is the defendant in the libel trial and told his attorneys to “trigger mandatory punitive court sanctions, including a ruling that Mann did act with criminal intent when using public funds to commit climate data fraud”.

even back in 2017 scientists knew the defeat of Dr. Mann would only vindicate President Donald Trump in his claims that climate change is a hoax. The graph below from Principia Scientific shows “Mann’s cherry-picked version of science [that] makes the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) disappear and shows a pronounced upward ’tick’ in the late 20th century” – this is the blade of Mann’s now infamous “hockey stick”.

Below Mann’s graph is Ball’s, which uses much more reliable and easily attainable public data, which accurately shows a significantly warmer Medieval Warm Period with temperatures that are drastically hotter than the modern day’s.

Last week the court case against Dr. Tim Ball was decided by the Supreme Court of British Columbia, with Mann’s case thrown out, and him ordered to pay the defendant’s legal costs, no doubt a tidy sum of money.


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Reply #1 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 4:49pm
 
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Reply #2 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 5:33pm
 
How anyone can believe the rubbish that we have been feed on AGW after all that has been revealed is astonishing.

a. climategate

b. the hot spot

c. Correlation

d. disasters, sea levels rising and many more

Its very simple really you do not have to be a professor of physics all you have to do is look into our history to see where CO2 and the average mean global temperature have correlated.

Good hunting.

Wake up people or we will all be taxed for the free air we breathe.

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Reply #3 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 5:35pm
 
Err, your two graphs are measuring different things.  Mann's is talking about, "Temperature anomaly relative to 1960-1990" compared to the 20th century and Ball's is talking about, "Climate Changes in Europe over the last 2000 years".   You are comparing apples with oranges.  Naughty, naughty!   Roll Eyes
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Reply #4 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 7:29pm
 
The entire southern hemisphere has only had 10 thermometer stations continuously measuring temperatures from 1880 to now. It is physically impossible to accurately measure the temperature of 98,468,497 sq mi with 10 thermometers.

Graphic showing thermometer stations in southern hemisphere 1880-2019
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Phil Jones: “For much of the SH between 40 and 60S the normals are mostly made up as there is very little ship data there”

"Tom,
        The issue Ray alludes to is that in addition to the issue
      of many more drifters providing measurements over the last
      5-10 years, the measurements are coming in from places where
      we didn't have much ship data in the past. For much of the SH
      between 40 and 60S the normals are mostly made up as there is
      very little ship data there.
        Whatever causes the divergence in your plot it is down to
      the ocean.
        You could try doing an additional plot. Download from
      the CRU web site the series for SH land. It doesn't matter if
      is from CRUTEM3 or CRUTEM3v (the former would be better). If that
      still has the divergence, then it is the oceans causing the
      problem. What you're seeing is too rapid to be real.
      Cheers
      Phil"

part of email 2729

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Reply #5 - Aug 27th, 2019 at 8:43pm
 
Topic after topic about the environment is not put into the environment forum.
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Reply #6 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 12:21am
 
I blame Joe Hockey Stick - you?
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Reply #7 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 7:31am
 
SerialBrain9 wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 4:47pm:
Quote:
Scientist” Michael Mann Loses in Court, Forced to Pay Court Costs — Global Warming Hoax Hit Hardest

Back in 2009, “Climategate” was a massive scandal with leaked documents revealing the climate change scam to be what it is,

Christopher Booker of the Telegraph back in 2009 slammed the climate alarmists behind the claims of global warming that was proving to be non-existent.

Dr. Michael Mann, the scientist that co-authored a famous graph of temperature trends known as the “hockey stick graph” was implicated in the 2009 global warming email scandal

This same Dr. Michael Mann, in 2012, sued the National Review and Competitive Enterprise Institute over their critique of his work regarding the climate change hoax. Mann even posted to his Facebook page about the lawsuit.

He featured a link to his attorney’s website just below the above opening statement.

In 2017, Dr. Michael “Hockey Stick” Mann committed contempt of court in what was dubbed the “climate science trial of the century”.

Dr. Mann defied the judge presiding over the case and refused to surrender his data for “open court examination”. This is routine practice for scientific study to determine if the results will stand up against examination.  But Dr. Mann refused to turn over his data.

Principia Scientific noted the following:

“Only possible outcome: Mann’s humiliation, defeat and likely criminal investigation in the U.S.”

79-year-old Canadian climatologist Dr. Tim Ball is the defendant in the libel trial and told his attorneys to “trigger mandatory punitive court sanctions, including a ruling that Mann did act with criminal intent when using public funds to commit climate data fraud”.

even back in 2017 scientists knew the defeat of Dr. Mann would only vindicate President Donald Trump in his claims that climate change is a hoax. The graph below from Principia Scientific shows “Mann’s cherry-picked version of science [that] makes the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) disappear and shows a pronounced upward ’tick’ in the late 20th century” – this is the blade of Mann’s now infamous “hockey stick”.

Below Mann’s graph is Ball’s, which uses much more reliable and easily attainable public data, which accurately shows a significantly warmer Medieval Warm Period with temperatures that are drastically hotter than the modern day’s.

Last week the court case against Dr. Tim Ball was decided by the Supreme Court of British Columbia, with Mann’s case thrown out, and him ordered to pay the defendant’s legal costs, no doubt a tidy sum of money.


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Not really because as someone else pointed out, the two graphs you've listed aren't measuring the same thing, so any comparison between the two is pointless.


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Reply #8 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 6:17pm
 
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For those that are saying these graphs aren’t measuring the same thing, I ask why……?

Mann and associates initially studied tree rings from the northern hemisphere and later extended their research with other proxies most still from the northern hemisphere.

So even though they are reluctant to hand over their work (one paper based on northern hemisphere proxies) to other scientist for scrutiny most of their work is based on proxies from the northern hemisphere.

Mann and associates conveniently got rid of the medieval warm period and the little ice age.

And the IPCC have taken this one paper and made it their own in their weak attempt to prove that AGW is the reason we have heated up all due to man’s burning of fossil fuels.

Funny thing is they (Mann & associates) will not hand over their work to other scientists for scrutiny, you would think that if they wanted to prove their case they would be shoving it under people’s noses, knowing that they are right.

Maybe it’s a case of secret scientist business.....?

There are hundreds of other papers by other scientist that have done their own research with proxies that show the medieval warm period was warmer than today and that we had a mini ice age too, infact many of these papers have proven that the medieval warm period and the little ice age where global and not confined to the northern hemisphere.

That’s hundreds of papers from other prominent scientists.

Yet the IPCC for some strange reason ignores them.

These other scientists that have proven the medieval warm period and the little ice age existed  have put their work out there for all to see, that’s how science works right, you think you have proven something well here it is boys and girls go for it prove me wrong.

So then you have to ask yourself why do you believe in one paper which hasn’t been distributed to the scientific community for observations over hundreds that say the opposite and are out there for all to see as easy as picking fruit of a tree.

Ladies and gentlemen what you are witnessing here is the dishonesty of the alarmists, you have to ask yourself,

WHY WONT THEY HAND OVER THEIR WORK….!

Another question you people should be asking is why has one paper which the computations of have not been freely distributed to the scientific community has been adopted by the IPCC over the hundreds of contradictory papers that are out there, free for all to see.

The IPCC uses one paper which is in dispute with the many hundreds out there as the graphs below show.

They (the IPCC) did show the medieval warm period and the little ice age in there papers up to the year 2001 and then replcade the many with the one.......!?!?

Ask yourselves why is this SO..........!!

Where is the consensus on this issue..........!!!!

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Reply #9 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 7:41pm
 
This is the real un broken hockey stick.
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Reply #10 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 9:01pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
This is the real un broken hockey stick.



You mean the one with the 500 year resolution? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

You are trying to infer a CO2 level that is far less than the resolution petal.

Then of course CO2 LAGS temperature by 800 years if you believe the ice cores.
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Reply #11 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 9:08pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
This is the real un broken hockey stick.



You mean the one with the 500 year resolution? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

You are trying to infer a CO2 level that is far less than the resolution petal.

Then of course CO2 LAGS temperature by 800 years if you believe the ice cores.

There seems to be a trend, the hockey stick trend.
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Reply #12 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 9:19pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 9:08pm:
There seems to be a trend, the hockey stick trend.


You mean the one whereby Michael E Mann was supposed to show his workings to the court when he sought an adjournment of the defamation trial? The court granted that adjournment on that basis. Michael E Mann subsequently didn't do what he was supposed to do and so the case was lost by him.

Next on the list the court case of Mann V Steyn, where Steyn has countersued Mann. Mann has gone "vewwy,vewwy quiet" (hat tip to Bugs Bunny.) Wink

Of course it could always be a trend caused by a rogue slug crawling across the page.
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Reply #13 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 9:24pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 5:35pm:
Err, your two graphs are measuring different things.  Mann's is talking about, "Temperature anomaly relative to 1960-1990" compared to the 20th century and Ball's is talking about, "Climate Changes in Europe over the last 2000 years".   You are comparing apples with oranges.  Naughty, naughty!   Roll Eyes


Oh dear

looks like the climate change deniers have been caught out deceiving again
Europe makes up a very small part of the world  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #14 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 9:27pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 9:19pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 9:08pm:
There seems to be a trend, the hockey stick trend.


You mean the one whereby Michael E Mann was supposed to show his workings to the court when he sought an adjournment of the defamation trial? The court granted that adjournment on that basis. Michael E Mann subsequently didn't do what he was supposed to do and so the case was lost by him.

Next on the list the court case of Mann V Steyn, where Steyn has countersued Mann. Mann has gone "vewwy,vewwy quiet" (hat tip to Bugs Bunny.) Wink

Of course it could always be a trend caused by a rogue slug crawling across the page.

Even you are starting to question yourself, the evidence is insurmountable.
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