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Reply #90 - Sep 1st, 2019 at 4:01pm
 
You do understand anomalies are just those guesses that sit on top of a temperature range (base line temperature)? Therefore they should be a good fit.

And yes petal you can add anomalies to temperature.

https://learn.arcgis.com/en/projects/explore-future-climate-projections/

If it can be done with projections it can certainly be done with published data. Wink
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Reply #91 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 3:16pm
 
Ajax wrote on Sep 1st, 2019 at 12:03pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 1st, 2019 at 11:56am:
Ajax wrote on Sep 1st, 2019 at 10:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2019 at 8:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 5:35pm:
Err, your two graphs are measuring different things.  Mann's is talking about, "Temperature anomaly relative to 1960-1990" compared to the 20th century and Ball's is talking about, "Climate Changes in Europe over the last 2000 years".   You are comparing apples with oranges.  Naughty, naughty!   Roll Eyes


I wonder why no one has replied to this?   Does Cereal Brain just want reality to disappear in his conspiranut beliefs?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


Why Brian I have already addressed your and the other people’s concern claiming that the graphs are measuring different things.

But are they…..???..........how sure are you about this……..???


Very.  They have different titles indicating they are measuring different things.  QED.   Roll Eyes



Albums have titles they're still all albums though..... Cheesy


How does that negate what I stated, Ajax?  Graphs have titles describing what they represent - that way they tell the reader what they are looking at.  Albums are just collections of tunes created by an artiste.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #92 - Sep 2nd, 2019 at 5:34pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 5:35pm:
Mann's is talking about, "Temperature anomaly relative to 1960-1990" compared to the 20th century and Ball's is talking about, "Climate Changes in Europe over the last 2000 years".   


No, Mann's reconstruction uses the BASELINE of 1961-1990. (Although he got it wrong and wrote 1960-1990). That is the entire record is an anomaly of that temperature, not just the 20th century.

Even if Ball had used a different climate period eg 1951-1980 (as used by NASA) the only thing one has to do is move it to move the baseline temperature you prefer up or down to match as it is only the anomalies changing. As they like to tell us.

"The 1951–1980 mean is 14.2 °C (57.6 °F)"

"The Earth's average surface absolute temperature for the 1961–1990 period has been derived by spatial interpolation of average observed near-surface air temperatures from over the land, oceans and sea ice regions, with a best estimate of 14 °C (57.2 °F).[30] The estimate is uncertain, but probably lies within 0.5 °C of the true value."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record

So there should be very little flattening of the graph.



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Reply #93 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 5:22pm
 
Hockey stick is, of course, fine.

Lots of crap spouted about this by the usual suspects.

Reality:
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On the health front, the plea to toss the case notes that Ball, born in 1938, “suffered coronary heart failure” in 2017, after “quintuple bypass surgery” ten years prior, in addition to having Type 2 Diabetes. Apparently being old is a defense?

Ball’s attorney also added that his website doesn’t show up in at least 92% of searches for Dr. Mann, and that it has “low popularity.”

What this all means: no, the court didn’t rule that Mann’s hockey stick was a fraud. And no, it has nothing to do with Mann supposedly refusing to release the data for deniers to double check. Again, Mann took to Twitter to explain that “The ‘Hockey Stick’ data & code are all available & have been for more than a decade,” with a link to the FTP site that’s hosted the data since, by the looks of it, at least 2003.

And for whether or not the hockey stick, showing a rapid increase in temperatures in the modern era, has broken, Mann points out that multiple other teams have come to the same general conclusion.

Far from being a clear win for the deniers, the ruling appears to be more a judgement of the state of Tim Ball: a broken down old man, who’s lucky that no one takes his conspiratorial and accusatory ramblings seriously.

And that’s what his own defense said about him!


https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/28/1881956/-Tim-Ball-Pleads-For-Mercy-As-A...

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Craig Thomler @craigthomler

Replying to @JamesRider3 @PolAnimalAus and 48 others

Mann fully complied with all disclosure obligations to the defendant Tim Ball relating to data and other documents.

No judge has made any order or given any direction, however minor or inconsequential, that Mann surrender any data or any documents to Ball for any purpose.


https://twitter.com/Andrewemcameron/status/1167273256950423553/photo/1

Or: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDL81e1WwAA-D8J?format=jpg&name=small if not on Twitter

Mann’s data and code has been online and available for years (since 2003 at least,) right here:

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/holocene/public_html/shared/research/MANNETAL98/
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Reply #94 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 6:36pm
 
Is that from John Cook blog? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
Oh look the monk is trying to resurrect the dead.

So tell us all about Mann's non-contempt in terms of 2019 instead of 2017.

So we have Daily Kos - from US Democrats

And a facebook page.
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