I have come to the conclusion  Islamphobia  is  a lefty slogan  used when they havent got an argument for what Liberals claim is atrocities ... they merely say 

ohhhhhhh but its only a few...dont worry about them  you have nothing to fear.....

makes sense to some!

Islamophobia is used to cloak a vile religion.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25^th, 2017 at 12:06pm:


What are your thoughts on Wahabisim?

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25^th, 2017 at 12:12pm:


So you've got no issues with it. At least we know where you stand.

Anyone know what Bwian's constant YAWNING and TSK TSK TSKING is all about?

I would particularly like to hear from a Mental Health Expert 😱😂🙄

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:


Well YOU certainly aren't. You're a freaking insane cyber multi troll for starters.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25^th, 2017 at 3:52pm:


Oh you're MORE than welcome Bwian 😂😂😂😂

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk,

Justsayno wrote on Sep 26^th, 2017 at 9:00am:


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  I have no idea why you even bother, I really don't.   

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2017 at 7:21pm:

Of course you have no idea. That's what you are here for - to represent all who have no ideas.
You are the vast majority, law abiding 'no idea' community's spokesman, Brian. Your role in creation.  That's what Allah put you on earth for.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2017 at 9:31pm:

Oh? You 'believe in evolution',  do you, Bwian? And the prophet Darwin?  And honourary doctorate? In divinity? And distinguished military career? And? And? What other idiocy are you going to self-reveal? Keep talking.

My yawning and "tsk, tsk'ing" is more because of boredom with people like you who refuse to debate the issue of Islam and Muslims, sensibly, preferring to exhibit your ad hominem arguments.   

"Islamophobia" is ad hominem

One friend alerted me to a discussion going on in Wikipedia on the neologism  “Islamophobia”. Someone has suggested that this category should be deleted because the term Islamophobia is divisive, inflammatory and it is frequently used to inhibit very valid criticism of Islam.    

Islam is an ideology. Rejection of an ideology cannot be classified as phobia. To call the opponents of an ideology phobic is a fallacy. All ideologies have their critics and opponents but we do not hear Christians calling the critics of Christianity Christianophobe, communists calling their critics communitophobe or Hindus calling theirs hinduphobe. The term "Islamophobia" is both technically and logically incorrect and misleading.

According to Dictionary.com Phobia is “a persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.”  Therefore the neologism "Islamophobia" implies that Islam is not dangerous and the fear of it is irrational. 

This claim has not been established and it is not universally agreed upon. There are many who argue that Islam is indeed a dangerous ideology and they have their logical arguments to prove their claim. Irrespective of whether the critics of Islam are right or wrong about whether Islam is dangerous or not, calling them “phobic” implies that their criticism has been already refuted and the irrationality of their fear of Islamic threat has been established. Therefore their disagreement with Islam is not logical but a mental disorder. 

 All ideologies have their opponents. It is sheer arrogance to call criticism of any ideology, phobia. This implies that the truth of that ideology is already established and anyone opposing it is adopting an irrational position and is in need of psychological help. 
Only Muslims are capable of this much irrationality and arrogance. We all recall Muhammad Abdullah, the Afghani man who converted to Christianity and who was facing execution. When the government of Afghanistan was pressured to release him, to save face they accused him of being insane and not fit to stand trial. In the mind of Muslims only an insane person would disagree with Islam. This is sheer arrogance. 

Buddhism is by all accounts a peaceful religion as non-violence is the core of it. Despite that Buddhism has its critics and we never call then Buddhistphobes.  
 
The neologism Islamophobia makes absolutely no sense. It is derogatory and is used in a pejorative way to discredit the critics of Islam from the outset.  
Phobia is a disorder. Here is a short list of a few phobias: Achluophobia or Lygophobia (fear of darkness), Acrophobia, (fear of heights), Androphobia (fear of men), Aviatophobia (fear of flying), Chiraptophobia (fear of being touched), Claustrophobia (fear of confined spaces), Coitophobia (fear of coitus), Decidophobia (fear of making decisions),  Agrophobia or Demophobia (fear of crowds), Eleutherophobia (fear of freedom), Gynophobia (fear of women), Hadephobia (fear of hell -this is the phobia affecting all the Muslims), Hylophobia (fear of forests),  Insectophobia, (fear of insects), Isolophobia (fear of solitude, being alone), Necrophobia, (fear of death or dead things), Neophobia (fear of anything new), Phasmophobia, (fear of ghosts), Philophobia, (fear of falling in love or being in love), Xenophobia, (fear of strangers or foreigners), etc. (For more see this)

How can criticism of Islam fall into this category? These are all irrational fears that require therapy. Are Muslims suggesting that the critics of Islam should receive therapy? We can’t classify disagreement with Islam as phobia. Islam is an ideology. Phobia is irrational fear of things, people or situations but not beliefs. You can't be phobic of a belief system. Beliefs per se are not frightening. It's people who follow nefarious beliefs that become dangerous and frightening. As one can see, the very term "Islamophobia" is stupid because Islam is a belief system and it is not possible to be phobic of a belief. From whichever angle you look at Islam you find its stupidity glaring at you.  
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina60526.htm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 11:34pm:

I believe in Evolution as propounded by Charles Darwin.

Your words, Big Thick.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 11:34pm:

I believe in Evolution as propounded by Charles Darwin.

Your words, Big Thick.

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:


So a Natural Scientist, propounding a scientific theory is a "Prophet" in your mind, Soren?

Tsk, tsk, you claim to be a modern, enlightened, Westerner and you cannot tell the difference between science and religion.   

Frank wrote on Sep 29^th, 2017 at 8:48am:


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren, you don't understand the scientific method do you?  

How do you reform a religion that is responsible globally for the top twenty four odd listed terror organizations?

How do you reform the evil in islamic doctrine which directly states that the muslim killers are the highest grade of muslims?

Which list are you going off, Moses?

karnal wrote: Reply #45 - Today at 3:04pm

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from our own Australian National Security site

Listed terrorist organisations

*Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 1 November 2008, 29 October 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

*Al-Murabitun
Listed 5 November 2014

*Al-Qa'ida (AQ)
Listed 21 October 2002, re-listed 1 September 2004, 26 August 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

*Al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
Listed 26 November 2010, re-listed 26 November 2013 and 26 November 2016.

*Al-Qa’ida in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS)
Listed 28 November 2016

*Al-Qa’ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)
Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

*Al-Shabaab
Listed 22 August 2009, re-listed 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

*Ansar al-Islam
Formerly known as Ansar al-Sunna—Listed 27 March 2003, re-listed 27 March 2005, 24 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 9 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

*Boko Haram
Listed 26 June 2014 and re-listed 27 June 2017.

*Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades
Listed 9 November 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

*Hizballah's External Security Organisation (ESO)
Listed 5 June 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 25 May 2007, 16 May 2009, 12 May 2012 and 2 May 2015

*Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

*Islamic State
Formerly listed as Al-Qa’ida in Iraq—2 March 2005, re-listed 17 Feb 2007, 1 Nov 2008, 29 Oct 2010, 12 July 2013. Formerly listed as Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant on 14 Dec 2013. Listed 11 July 2014 as Islamic State and re-listed 1 July 2017.

*Islamic State East Asia
Listed 8 September 2017

*Islamic State in Libya (IS-Libya)
Listed 28 November 2016

*Islamic State Sinai Province (IS-Sinai)
Listed 28 November 2016.

*Jabhat al-Nusra
Listed 29 June 2013, re-listed 28 June 2016 and amended on 4 November 2016 to include alias Jabhat Fatah al-Sham.

*Jaish-e-Mohammed
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

*Jamiat ul-Ansar (JuA)
Formerly known as Harakat Ul-Mujahideen—Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 1 November 2008, 29 October 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

*Jemaah Islamiyah (JI)
Listed 27 October 2002, re-listed 1 September 2004, 26 August 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

*Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)
Listed 17 December 2005, re-listed 28 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

*Lashkar-e Jhangvi
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

*Lashkar-e-Tayyiba
Listed 9 November 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

*Palestinian Islamic Jihad
Listed 3 May 2004, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

gee whiz, seems nationalsecurity.gov.au accidentally left out the Israeli and Saudi governments. An innocent oversight I'm sure.

Gordon wrote on Sep 25^th, 2017 at 12:10pm:

I know it's actually spelt, "Wahhabism", Gordon.   

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:


So a Natural Scientist, propounding a scientific theory is a "Prophet" in your mind, Soren?

Tsk, tsk, you claim to be a modern, enlightened, Westerner and you cannot tell the difference between science and religion. 

You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 14^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:


Indeed. The Roman and British empires were virtuous bastions of freedom and democracy, only to succumb to the devious clutches of Islam.

It'll happen to us too if we don't convert to Freeeeeedom (TM).

freediver wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 9:25am:


Another piece of bullshit, FD.  Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth.  Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages.   Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China.   

freediver wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:


Muslims did not rule the West, FD, no matter how you attempt to paint it so.  Muslims only ruled the middle-east and the periphery of Europe (for short periods).  Europe was ruled by Europeans for most of it's history.   

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 10:29pm:


FD is using Ian Morris's model of "the west" which is basically everything west of China to the atlantic.

China was the wealthiest region on Earth

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 4:27pm:

No - it's a typical lazy , easy misrepresentation we have come to expect from gandalf.

He compares the West to China, he doesn't say that the West starts at the western border of China. 

Only an idiot like Bwian would credulously leap on such a misrepresentation to eagerly show off his stupidity he imagines as learning.

You are confused Gandalf. Morris offers a very detailed explanation, along with justifications. It certainly isn't everything west of China to the atlantic. Just because Muslims destroyed most of western civilisation does not mean we should redefine the history of this civilisation prior to Islam.

You are welcome to read the book for yourself Brian.

You are welcome to read the book for yourself Brian.

You are welcome to read the book for yourself Brian. He provides a causal lineage linking the civilisation that began in Iraq, then whose centre shifted to Iran, Egypt, Rome, London, New York.

freediver wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 9:25am:


Another piece of bullshit, FD.  Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth.  Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages.   Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China.   

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

I know you claim you studied history, must have been Australian eh Brian for until the 1500 mark India was the wealthiest nation on Earth. Shame about that.
You should stick to Australian History as its a lot shorter and you may be able to retain a semblance of cognizance, but I doubt it.

No.  I challenged yours first, JSN.  Cough up or shut up.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

Evidence, big thick? Or just stupidity from you, again?

Justsayno wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 7:23pm:


Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:


Oh No you poor little man I challenged you first so in your own words "Cough up or shut up"

PS who is jsn.

Justsayno wrote on Oct 18^th, 2017 at 3:19pm:


Now, here, FD is someone who doesn't understand who was on first... 

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.