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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21368 Gender:	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #60 - Apr 7^th, 2019 at 11:02pm Einstein - "When asked about the book, Einstein retorted by saying “Why 100 authors? If I were wrong, then one would have been enough!” http://weeklysciencequiz.blogspot.com/2013/01/a-hundred-authors-against-einstein...
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Reply #61 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 6:53am

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If it is consensus it isn't science. If it is science it isn't consensus. Science doesn't revolve around consensus.

Sure it does. You should have covered this in grade 8 science. Thomas Kuhn wrote an interesting book on how this process contributes to the amazing gains in science.

Science never has relied on proof of anything, because it is not actually possible to prove a scientific theory.

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According to scientific "consensus" the earth was once the centre of our universe. The Sun moved around us.

Before the scientific revolution, before there was a meaningful scientific community to reach consensus, and before the modern scientific method rose to prominence. You always struggle with your timeline. I'm surprised you are not telling me it was the same scientists.

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Economics is not science. Although economists like to insist it is

No, but it does tell you a lot about economics. I'm glad you finally realised what this thread is about.

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Reply #62 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 8:23am

lee wrote on Apr 7^th, 2019 at 11:02pm:

Einstein - "When asked about the book, Einstein retorted by saying “Why 100 authors? If I were wrong, then one would have been enough!”

http://weeklysciencequiz.blogspot.com/2013/01/a-hundred-authors-against-einstein...

To date, I don't think any credible source has argued global warming's not happening, Lee, but feel free to prove me wrong.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21368 Gender:	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #63 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 4:46pm Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 8:23am: To date, I don't think any credible source has argued global warming's not happening, Lee, yes. Now show the CO2 impact. Not using climate models because they are not science either.
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Reply #64 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 4:51pm

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 6:53am:

Sure it does. You should have covered this in grade 8 science.

So consensus is science. Einstein didn't think so and that was after "the scientific revolution, before there was a meaningful scientific community to reach consensus, and before the modern scientific method rose to prominence."

"When asked about the book, Einstein retorted by saying “Why 100 authors? If I were wrong, then one would have been enough!” - that was a consensus by 100 authors. Wink

You still haven't gotten back to me about "the vast majority of climate scientists". Wink

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21368 Gender:	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #65 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 4:59pm lee wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 4:51pm: You still haven't gotten back to me about "the vast majority of climate scientists". Isn't this the consensus you were talking about? So how can we have a consensus if we don't know the numbers?
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Reply #66 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 6:44pm

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So consensus is science.

It is part of the modern scientific method. It is even taught in high school science.

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Einstein didn't think so

You struggle to put a coherent sentence together, but you claim to speak on behalf of Einstein? Einsteins scientific revolutions were only possible because of the preceding consensus.

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Isn't this the consensus you were talking about? So how can we have a consensus if we don't know the numbers?

Have you been living under a rock?

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Reply #67 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 7:02pm

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

It is part of the modern scientific method. It is even taught in high school science.

"Osborne and colleagues (2003) have proposed taking a consensus view to identify the ideas about science that should be part of the school science curriculum"

https://www.nap.edu/read/11625/chapter/8#170

So post-modern science. Wink

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

You struggle to put a coherent sentence together, but you claim to speak on behalf of Einstein?

No petal. I quoted him. Perhaps you can find someone who disagrees with him. That is the way science is supposed to work.

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

Einsteins scientific revolutions were only possible because of the preceding consensus.

Nope. As evidenced by the 100 authors, they were the "preceding consensus". He overturned their "preceding consensus".

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

Have you been living under a rock?

No petal. You haven't told us which survey of consensus on which you rely. If you can't answer then you are pontificating from ignorance. Again not a good debating point.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53324 At my desk.	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #68 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 7:03pm You completely missed the point Lee. Taking a "consensus approach" as you quoted is nothing at all to do with what we were discussing.
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Reply #69 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 7:11pm

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 7:03pm:

Taking a "consensus approach" as you quoted is nothing at all to do with what we were discussing.

The consensus approach is what the "vast majority of climate scientists" is all about.

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2019 at 6:32pm:

Would you describe the vast majority of climate scientists who agree with AGW, and the economic consensus on pricing mechanisms, and the bipartisan support for action on climate change as "alarmist"?

You were the who raised that.

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Reply #70 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 8:48pm

lee wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 7:11pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 7:03pm:

Taking a "consensus approach" as you quoted is nothing at all to do with what we were discussing.

The consensus approach is what the "vast majority of climate scientists" is all about.

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2019 at 6:32pm:

Would you describe the vast majority of climate scientists who agree with AGW, and the economic consensus on pricing mechanisms, and the bipartisan support for action on climate change as "alarmist"?

You were the who raised that.

And you still can't tell the difference eh?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21368 Gender:	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #71 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 9:00pm freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 8:48pm: And you still can't tell the difference eh? Oh dear. You can't even provide any evidence of your assertions. Too bad. Bye.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53324 At my desk.	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #72 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 9:17pm Which assertion in particular do you want evidence of? That you do not understand what you are talking about?
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Reply #73 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 9:32pm

lee wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 4:46pm:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 8:23am:

To date, I don't think any credible source has argued global warming's not happening, Lee,

yes. Now show the CO2 impact. Not using climate models because they are not science either. Wink

I'm afraid you'll need to explain that one, Lee.

Please explain?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53324 At my desk.	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #74 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 9:38pm Lee, perhaps you did not realise, but science is entirely about building models of reality. Is this really the best the climate skeptics can come up with?
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