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Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Apr 21st, 2012 at 3:07pm
 
I was galled by Falah's hypocrisy on this issue:

- by accusing me of being deceptive then insisting that under Islamic law a dirty old pedophile is not allowed to live with his prepubescent wife 'as man and wife.'

- by having a go at our society while we root out abusers from the church when Islamic law pretty much institutionalises pedophilia.

falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 10:39pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 9:56pm:
falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:33pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:03pm:
falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 5:22pm:
Frances wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 4:47pm:
Seeing as how he enjoys stories about abuse of children, here's another one for falah:



You don't seem too adverse to them yourself. But Opus Dei (or Frances or whatever your name is) you haven't adressed the incredible fact that
children were molested in every Catholic Church
in a country that bothered to do a full investigation.

Not one or two, but every church!

Would similar results be found in the Catholic churches of Australia?

These days though, one would hope that Catholics have woken up and realised that it is not safe to leave their children with men who belong to a cult that teaches them that they shouldn't be married.



Falah, do you think that the vow of celibacy causes the abuse?

The article you posted was about entire congregations over a long period of time. I put it to you that it would not even be possible to conduct that same process of information gathering in a Muslim congregation. Many Muslims, including Abu and probably yourself, still equate the low rate of reporting of sex crimes in Islamic communities with low rates of offence.

For example, does it make more sense that a legal and social system that permits old men to marry multiple prepubescent wives and requires these woman to wear tents and relies on the men's 'honour' not to rape them reduces the incidence of child sex abuse?



Deceptive of you to bring that up.

I have already explained that in Islam, a man is not allowed to live with the bride as husband and wife, until they have both reached puberty.


How is it deceptive?

Are they allowed to live together? Or is it deceptive of me to describe it that way?

And can you give a straight answer to the question I posed?



I have never heard of any Muslim man living with a prepubesecent wife.


Is it illegal under Islamic law for an old pedophile to live with his prepubescent wife? Can you give a straight answer to this question? Is the situation in any way different from how I initially suggested - and you described as deceptive?

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I have met thousands of Muslims and have travelled through 6 Muslim countries, living for extended periods of time in 3 of them.


Don't you and Abu always complain when people use modern Muslim countries as example of Islamic law because the west has prevented them from institutionalising Islamic law properly?

Do you think Islamic law somehow gets rid of pedophilia? Or would it merely cover it up and institutionalise it?
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Re: Islam: a pedophile's dream?
Reply #1 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 3:10pm
 
The churches stance is much better on the topic
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Reply #2 - Apr 21st, 2012 at 3:17pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 3:10pm:
The churches stance is much better on the topic



Why? Are Christian children more deserving of protection from perverted old men than Muslim children?
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Reply #3 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:37am
 
How does Islam define puberty in girls?
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Reply #4 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:39am
 
Are you asking me?

Menstruation, I believe.
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Reply #5 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:42am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:37am:
How does Islam define puberty in girls?

Did you know that the Vatican has the worlds lowest age of sexual consent?
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Reply #6 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:47am
 
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A group fighting for womens rights in Saudi Arabia condemned a judge on wednesday for refusing to annul the marriage of an 8 yo girl to a 47 yo man.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/24/saudi.arabia.child.bride/index.htm...

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Reply #7 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:48am
 
So, by the time a girl is somewhere between 9 and 13 (or maybe even earlier for some) she can be married off and live with a man as his wife? (which presumably means they will be having sex regularly)
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Reply #8 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:50am
 
She can be married off and live with a man well before that. Just not as 'man and wife'. Muslims are honourable and would wait until the child bleeds to have sex with her. Or is it the other way round?
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Reply #9 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:51am
 
Each country has its own laws and "age of consent". We consider that we have the true one obviously. The problem is the forced marriages.

Before that person says im "supporting" pedos im not. I dont agree with it in any way. However islam hasnt moved as fast as xtianity in accepting changes in societies. I think that in most cases it is not really accepted behaviour anymore but it is a religion. Thier deity did it. They have to employ doublethink. The xtian relgion has a god that kills even though the first commandment is do not kill.

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Reply #10 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:49am
 
It is obvious that the Catholic Church is the pedophile's paradise



An investigation found children were molested in every Catholic Church in Belgium


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'No Belgian church escaped sex abuse', finds investigation



..."We are talking here about anal and oral abuse, forced and mutual masturbation,"
said Peter Adriaenssens, the psychiatric specialist in paedophilia who chaired the commission.

"None of us was prepared for the severity of some of the accounts of abuse that we were given. All of us at one time questioned our faith in God, the Church and humanity."...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/7994705/No-Belgian-chur...




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Hundreds of sex abuse victims have come forward in Belgium with harrowing accounts of
molestation by Catholic clergy
that reportedly led to at least 13 suicides and
affected children as young as two
, an independent Belgian commission said Friday.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2010/09/10/belgium-church-abuse-victims.html





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Reply #11 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:53am
 
If you were a pedo,
tell me you wouldnt work for the church
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Reply #12 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:56am
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:53am:
If you were a pedo,
tell me you wouldnt work for the church


I am afraid there are plenty out there that dont work for a church. they just dont have it as easy as their supposedly religious counterparts.

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Reply #13 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 12:04pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:56am:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 11:53am:
If you were a pedo,
tell me you wouldnt work for the church


I am afraid there are plenty out there that dont work for a church. they just dont have it as easy as their supposedly religious counterparts.

SOB
Of course there are, but we all know the smart ones will go to the church.
Its like choosing between two jobs exactly the same, except one has health care and the other doesnt.
You are going to pick the health care.
Just like you are going to pick protection from prosecution over no protection for prosecution.

Read: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1334798505

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Reply #14 - Apr 22nd, 2012 at 12:12pm
 
Frances wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:48am:
So, by the time a girl is somewhere between 9 and 13 (or maybe even earlier for some) she can be married off and live with a man as his wife? (which presumably means they will be having sex regularly)


Aisha was 6 when she was married to Mohammad and the marriage was consummated when she was 9.
The Quran tells you 91 times to follow the example Mohammad set.

There is a practice called "thighing" where a man rubs his penis between the closed legs of a child to get off which is considered acceptable in Islam if she is too young for intercourse.
Mohammad did this with Aisha before he comsummated their marriage.
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