Soren please don't distract with your non-sequitur.
Moses is making a doctrinal argument to justify his criticism of islam - and is basically saying muslims are evil because their doctrine is so darn evil. Yet Karnal makes an excellent counter-argument - that if its all about evil doctrine, why aren't the jews even more evil - given that jews are firm in their belief in the authenticity of their doctrine.
The implication is that its not much to do with doctrine at all.
Now if you don't mind I'd like to hear Moses answer this interesting question himself.
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 21
st, 2014 at 5:35pm:
Yes, Moses, it’s the best I can do. The Koran is tame in comparison to the Old Testament. You’d know this if you read them.
No religious Jews I know are refuting the Torah, Do you know any? They believe it’s the immutable law for all time.
You use one principle for the Muslims and another for the Jews. Essentially, your argument comes down to "but the Jews aren’t the ones going around killing people".
Very true.
But somehow, despite this, they hold a tyrannical horror story as their religious text.- a much worse one than the Muslims use.
Like the Koran, it’s not all bad. I like Ecclesiastes and a few Psalms. But the laws are far worse than anything Mo proscribed. Indeed, Mo was a gentleman by comparison to.most of the Jewish prophets. Some had child brides, all had slaves, and many fought wars of expansion and terror.
So I ask you this: why do you let the Jews off scott-free? I don’t ask this to trip you up or make a cheap point, I’m genuinely curious why you don’t hate the laws of the Old Testament with the same zeal you hold for the Koran. Have I missed an important philosophical distinction?
Please explain.
They also believe in the diaspora. They are ideologically opposed to a Jewish state, and many modern Jews actually oppose Israel's existence on religious grounds. That is hardly the same as holding it to be the immutable law for all time - how can it be if you reject the concept of a state enforcing the law? Even Judaism looks good in comparison to Islam. Judaism left that sort of nonsense behind even before Jesus turned up. Muhammed brought it all back.
To find something that makes Islam - what Muslims do believe to be the immutable law for all time - look good, you have to go back in time, before Jesus, and before the current version of Judaism was established. So what exactly is the point you are trying to make?
Either that, or look at Nazism. There are some eerie similarities there. Had Hitler succeeded in establishing his thousand year reich, it is likely that his successors would have turned him into a prophet or God in the centuries following, and his followers offered the same spineless apologetics for the holocaust that Muslims are compelled to offer for Muhammed's Jew slaughtering habits. And they would have also excused it by pointing to the harsh times that Hitler lived in, when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank.
Why go back so far in time when there is a far more familiar and similar example that everyone knows about?
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