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Fahrenheit 211
Dec 10th, 2014 at 11:42am
 
Is the temperature that urine boils at. It is also a website.

Reminds me of the book "Fahrenheit 451" by Ray Bradbury. It is loosely based on the Nazi book burning spree of the thirties, with overtones of a more futuristic era.

I couldn't but help notice the similarity between the Brian, Karnal, Hot Breath & Gandlaf's opinions on Islamic "truths" and they way they attempt to  burn or kill any and opinions that differ to their conceited and erroneous beliefs.

Terms used ad nauseam.

Bigot. A term used profusely by the above. Dictionary meaning...a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

Islamophobia. I have already pointed out the origins of this word. The current form was created by Fascist's used by cowards to dominate and stifle legitimate debate.

Bearing the above in mind I offer a website that offers true life accounts of people living in muslim ghettoes, one sadly is of my home town Leicester.

http://muslimghettos.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/muslim-ghetto-in-leicester.html?m=0

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Imagine a world where all photographs of women and girls - on posters, advertising material, buses, billboards and shop windows - gradually disappear from public view; where supermarket lines are segregated and men and women sit in different sections of public transport: men at the front, women at the back.


Is it a Muslim "ghetto"?

No, it's Jerusalem, where the Ultra-Orthodox Jews now outnumber other Jews:

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Here, Jewish girls as young as six, wearing a conservative uniform of skirts below the knee and shirts to the elbow, are being targeted by the Haredi, called ''pritzas'' (prostitutes) for being ''immodestly dressed'' as they walk into Orot girls school, a state-funded religious-nationalist school. The Haredi are demanding the girls cover up. And, it doesn't end there. Fresh from their fight last month to segregate an entire street in the ultra-Orthodox Jerusalem neighbourhood of Mea Sharim during the religious celebration of Sukkot - the Haredi have set their sights on billboards and other advertising material that feature images of women.

So far the ultra-Orthodox have managed to ensure a public health campaign to attract organ donors only uses pictures of men, while an insurance company has removed images of girls from its child health promotional material.

Speaking to Israel's Army Radio about his company's organ donor advertisements, Ohad Gibli, deputy director of marketing for the Canaan advertising agency, said: ''We have learned that an ad campaign in Jerusalem and Bnei Brak that includes pictures of women will remain up for hours at best, and in other cases, will lead to the vandalisation and torching of buses.''

Indeed, as Chief Justice Dorit Beinisch was quoted as saying during a September High Court hearing over the segregation of the Mea Sharim street, gender segregation ''began with buses, continued with supermarkets and reached the streets. It's not going away, just the opposite.''

Orot girls school may be the focus of battle between Jews in Bet Shemesh but it is also a reflection of a wider battle across Israel between the the ultra-orthodox on one side and and the religious nationalist and secular Jews on the other.

Last week Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat publicly intervened in the growing dispute over the display of women's images, writing a letter to Police Commander Niso Shaham stating: ''We must make sure that those who want to advertise [with] women's images in the city can do so without fear of vandalism and defacement of billboards or buses showing women.''

On November 11, hundreds of demonstrators gathered in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa and Beersheba to sing in protest at the Haredi stance against women and an incident at an Israel Defence Forces event, where four ultra-Orthodox male cadets left a function because women were singing.

Describing itself as a ''society of scholars'', the Haredi community is one of the fastest growing in Israel. A November 2010 report by Haifa University demographers, Arnon Soffer and Evgenia Bystrov, estimates 30 per cent of all Jewish newborns in Israel are Haredi, while government statistics predict that by 2025 the Haredim will have jumped from 9 per cent of the population to 15 per cent.

Tensions are also exacerbated by the fact that, in a country that has compulsory military service for men and women, most Haredi do not serve in the military.

And because of their focus on religious study, most Haredi men do not work, relying instead on social welfare provided by the government, or the income earned by their wives, who also give birth to large numbers of children, often up to eight or nine per family.

Meanwhile, many extreme Haredi do not recognise the authority of the government, the police or the courts, and describe themselves as ''anti-Zionist'' - they are against anything that is privileged over the Torah.

Tamar El Or, a professor of anthropology and sociology at the Hebrew University has lived with Haredi families as part of her research into the community. For many years, she says, they felt as if their communities were marginalised, that they were living on the fringe of the Zionist project. Now all that has changed.

''They feel very safe and at home in Jerusalem,'' Professor El Or says. ''When you walk through the streets of Jerusalem you can feel that the majority of the public looks either ultra-Orthodox or Zionist orthodox, and if you want to find the non-orthodox cultural sites, the non-Kosher restaurants, you now have to make extra effort.

''The balance has tipped, and the non-orthodox people in Jerusalem are the minority, not just on the numbers, but on the cultural feeling, the atmosphere.''

Meanwhile, Jerusalem women are fighting back with a guerrilla campaign of their own - having their photographs taken and hanging them from buildings throughout the city with the slogan ''returning women to Jerusalem billboards''.

''Many of these women are modern, Orthodox women who care about the religion and know that it is possible to live a full religious life without these social restrictions, without also stepping outside beliefs or morals,'' Professor El Or says. ''They believe in religious life as well as gender equality.''

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So, where is the outcry against this religion's treatment of women?   Don't you just love the inconsistency of the bigots?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: Fahrenheit 211
Reply #2 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:47pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:38pm:
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You make a first class troll.

Did I mention any thing about Jews, Bigot!

Obfuscation is a weapon used by ignorant fascists like yourself, you are unable & incapable to confront the article head on. A true specimen of a silly little boy. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Fahrenheit 211
Reply #3 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:05pm
 
Adamant wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 11:42am:
Is the temperature that urine boils at. It is also a website.

Reminds me of the book "Fahrenheit 451" by Ray Bradbury. It is loosely based on the Nazi book burning spree of the thirties, with overtones of a more futuristic era.

I couldn't but help notice the similarity between the Brian, Karnal, Hot Breath & Gandlaf's opinions on Islamic "truths" and they way they attempt to  burn or kill any and opinions that differ to their conceited and erroneous beliefs.

Terms used ad nauseam.

Bigot. A term used profusely by the above. Dictionary meaning...a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

Islamophobia. I have already pointed out the origins of this word. The current form was created by Fascist's used by cowards to dominate and stifle legitimate debate.

Bearing the above in mind I offer a website that offers true life accounts of people living in muslim ghettoes, one sadly is of my home town Leicester.

http://muslimghettos.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/muslim-ghetto-in-leicester.html?m=0



The reason the term "Islamophobia" fails the test for a phobia is that the distrust/fear/dislike is NOT unfounded.
The definition of Phobia is 'a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.' Considering the actions of Islamic Extremists completely removes the 'irrational' component from the terms definition.
9/11? ISIS ? Hamas? etc....Anyone????
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Re: Fahrenheit 211
Reply #4 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:25pm
 
Adamant wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:47pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:38pm:
inconsistency


You make a first class troll.

Did I mention any thing about Jews, Bigot!

Obfuscation is a weapon used by ignorant fascists like yourself, you are unable & incapable to confront the article head on. A true specimen of a silly little boy. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



The point is you don't mention anything about Ultra-Orthodox Jews you just attack Muslims, despite Ultra-Orthodox Jews doing the same things you attack Muslims for.   Are you Jewish by chance?  It'd make sense, protecting your co-religionists!  It would explain your lack of consistency. Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #5 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:34pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:25pm:
Adamant wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:47pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:38pm:
inconsistency


You make a first class troll.

Did I mention any thing about Jews, Bigot!

Obfuscation is a weapon used by ignorant fascists like yourself, you are unable & incapable to confront the article head on. A true specimen of a silly little boy. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



The point is you don't mention anything about Ultra-Orthodox Jews you just attack Muslims, despite Ultra-Orthodox Jews doing the same things you attack Muslims for.   Are you Jewish by chance?  It'd make sense, protecting your co-religionists!  It would explain your lack of consistency. Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Can you tell us the last time that Ultra-Orthodox Jews crashed planes into a US building, or butchered over 5,000 members of the Jewish faith?


edit: Pre-1948 doesn't count.
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Re: Fahrenheit 211
Reply #6 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:47pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:05pm:
The reason the term "Islamophobia" fails the test for a phobia is that the distrust/fear/dislike is NOT unfounded.The definition of Phobia is 'a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.' Considering the actions of Islamic Extremists completely removes the 'irrational' component from the terms definition. 9/11? ISIS ? Hamas? etc....Anyone????


"The Original meaning was...The term Islamophobia seemed to first appear in Britain during the Rushdie affair in the late 1980’s. This was an attempt by fundamentalist Muslims to silence critics such as Rushdie and his supporters for free speech by arguing that only the wider ‘Islamophobia’ of British society and state allowed this to pass unpunished. The implication was clear: criticism of Islam is tantamount to ‘Islamophobia’ and is therefore out of bounds."

Hope that applies to Gandalf.

Then it went to this..."The term Islamophobia seemed to first appear in Britain during the Rushdie affair in the late 1980’s. This was an attempt by fundamentalist Muslims to silence critics such as Rushdie and his supporters for free speech by arguing that only the wider ‘Islamophobia’ of British society and state allowed this to pass unpunished. The implication was clear: criticism of Islam is tantamount to ‘Islamophobia’ and is therefore out of bounds."

As I stated...Adamant wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 11:42am:
The current form was created by Fascist's used by cowards to dominate and stifle legitimate debate.



Rushdie still has a death threat against him, is he classed as islamophobic?

You should follow the link to muslim ghettos, its sad reading.

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Re: Fahrenheit 211
Reply #7 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 2:30pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:25pm:
Adamant wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:47pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:38pm:
inconsistency


You make a first class troll.

Did I mention any thing about Jews, Bigot!

Obfuscation is a weapon used by ignorant fascists like yourself, you are unable & incapable to confront the article head on. A true specimen of a silly little boy. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



The point is you don't mention anything about Ultra-Orthodox Jews you just attack Muslims, despite Ultra-Orthodox Jews doing the same things you attack Muslims for.   Are you Jewish by chance?  It'd make sense, protecting your co-religionists!  It would explain your lack of consistency.


The topic is about muslim ghettoes!!!!!!! In Leicester not some hovel elsewhere. 

It's particularly about my home City. A City which has a large Sikh population.

It has nothing to do Jews.

If you want to start a topic about Jews do it, if you are unable to I will understand as you are such a silly little boy!
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Reply #8 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 2:51pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:34pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:25pm:
Adamant wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:47pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:38pm:
inconsistency


You make a first class troll.

Did I mention any thing about Jews, Bigot!

Obfuscation is a weapon used by ignorant fascists like yourself, you are unable & incapable to confront the article head on. A true specimen of a silly little boy. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



The point is you don't mention anything about Ultra-Orthodox Jews you just attack Muslims, despite Ultra-Orthodox Jews doing the same things you attack Muslims for.   Are you Jewish by chance?  It'd make sense, protecting your co-religionists!  It would explain your lack of consistency. Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Can you tell us the last time that Ultra-Orthodox Jews crashed planes into a US building, or butchered over 5,000 members of the Jewish faith?


edit: Pre-1948 doesn't count.


Oh, and there I was think we were discussing the behavior of religious "ghettos" towards women.   So we're really talking about the death tolls from acts of barbarity?

Does the Israeli bombardment of Gaza count?

...

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Reply #9 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 3:19pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 2:51pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:34pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:25pm:
Adamant wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:47pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:38pm:
inconsistency


You make a first class troll.

Did I mention any thing about Jews, Bigot!

Obfuscation is a weapon used by ignorant fascists like yourself, you are unable & incapable to confront the article head on. A true specimen of a silly little boy. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



The point is you don't mention anything about Ultra-Orthodox Jews you just attack Muslims, despite Ultra-Orthodox Jews doing the same things you attack Muslims for.   Are you Jewish by chance?  It'd make sense, protecting your co-religionists!  It would explain your lack of consistency. Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Can you tell us the last time that Ultra-Orthodox Jews crashed planes into a US building, or butchered over 5,000 members of the Jewish faith?


edit: Pre-1948 doesn't count.


Oh, and there I was think we were discussing the behavior of religious "ghettos" towards women.   So we're really talking about the death tolls from acts of barbarity?

Does the Israeli bombardment of Gaza count?

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77302000/gif/_77302598_gaza_deaths_624_lat...

Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


No it doesn't. That isn't the actions of Ultra-Orthodox Jews, it's the actions of a National government responding to attacks.
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Reply #10 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 5:19pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 3:19pm:
No it doesn't. That isn't the actions of Ultra-Orthodox Jews, it's the actions of a National government responding to attacks.


Thats the problem - you think you can compare like for like - which you can't. A big reason why the west and its allies doesn't have a strong aggressive religious fundamentalist movement is that the national governments do enough violence and aggression to keep them happy. The jewish fundamentalists who wish suffering on the Palestinians on religious grounds really couldn't ask for more than what the Israeli government is doing in that regard.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #11 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 10:52pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:34pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:25pm:
Adamant wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:47pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:38pm:
inconsistency


You make a first class troll.

Did I mention any thing about Jews, Bigot!

Obfuscation is a weapon used by ignorant fascists like yourself, you are unable & incapable to confront the article head on. A true specimen of a silly little boy. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



The point is you don't mention anything about Ultra-Orthodox Jews you just attack Muslims, despite Ultra-Orthodox Jews doing the same things you attack Muslims for.   Are you Jewish by chance?  It'd make sense, protecting your co-religionists!  It would explain your lack of consistency. Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Can you tell us the last time that Ultra-Orthodox Jews crashed planes into a US building, or butchered over 5,000 members of the Jewish faith?


Well, considering most Ultra-Orthodox Jews are (at least in theory, if not in practice) believers in pacifism that might be a bit hard but I'll ask, Gizmo, what is it's relevance to this discussion, which I note is about how (supposedly) misogynist all Muslims are, if I can follow Adam's convoluted thinking...   Roll Eyes

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edit: Pre-1948 doesn't count.


Why not?

Anyway, how about, September 1947: When Jew terrorists tried to bomb London or Ethiopian Airlines flight 409 off the coast of Lebanon in 2010?
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Well, considering most Ultra-Orthodox Jews are (at least in theory, if not in practice) believers in pacifism


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Reply #13 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 11:30pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 5:19pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 3:19pm:
No it doesn't. That isn't the actions of Ultra-Orthodox Jews, it's the actions of a National government responding to attacks.


Thats the problem - you think you can compare like for like - which you can't. A big reason why the west and its allies doesn't have a strong aggressive religious fundamentalist movement is that the national governments do enough violence and aggression to keep them happy. .


Sorry, G, don’t you mean Freeeedom and democracy?
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Reply #14 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 11:41pm
 
Apparently in freediver language that statement of mine translates into "achieving peace and harmony"
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