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Reply #1 - Mar 17th, 2021 at 4:07pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:


The flaw in the argument here is that the actions of the KKK and white/Christian  individual terrorists are almost universally condemned by western society, whereas Muslim society often excuses those of Islamic terrorists or 'condemns' in such a way that the inference is clearly that western society is to blame for provoking these actions.
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Belgarion wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 4:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:


The flaw in the argument here is that the actions of the KKK and white/Christian  individual terrorists are almost universally condemned by western society, whereas Muslim society often excuses those of Islamic terrorists or 'condemns' in such a way that the inference is clearly that western society is to blame for provoking these actions.


Not quite true. Problem is, you only read what the MSM prints and it only prints stuff that is critical of Muslims.  In reality they condemn Terrorism in no uncertain terms. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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What about the

Best Way to Combat Islamic apologists?
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Bobby. wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 4:31pm:
What about the

Best Way to Combat Islamic apologists?


Easy, get them some mental help so that they can see the truth.
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Islam - what's to like about it???  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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A YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph,[6] published two weeks after the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, showed that 88% of British Muslims were opposed to the bombings,
while 6% (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported them, and one British Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the motives of the bombers.
" - Wiki

100 thousand muslims supported the bombings. One in four expressed some sympathy with the motives of the bombers

This is the problem with muslim immigration, 6% of them will support violence, bombings, killing, maiming, and not give a stuff, and yet they live in the UK
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what about Anti British   which you have in spades..
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Frank wrote on Mar 18th, 2021 at 9:01pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:

Islam - what's to like about it???  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



i think its the testosterone.

the woke left are comprised of frustrated feminists and weak timid smug men.
so they arent getting any good sex.

they look at some very hairy beast of a man and their primitive brain is aroused.

its primal that people like Merkel who isnt getting any action would fantasise about having 3 million young virile horny hairy men roaming around .

its no different to hugh hefner wanting a lot of babes decorating his pool
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what about Anti British   which you have in spades..


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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:


what about Anti British   which you have in spades..


Moi?  Anti-British?  Really?  I must tell my wife. You know she was born in the UK?  In Yorkshire.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Cods.  You mistake me being anti-Tory for being anti-British.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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We can always teach them -
put the Muslims in a good Christian school.


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The best way is to avoid:

Untruthful Pity

How Islamism burrowed almost unopposed into Europe’s fabric.
Theodore Dalrymple, October 29, 2020

Terrorist attacks, like troubles, rarely come singly. They are subject to their own version of the Werther effect, so called after the hero of Goethe’s novel, who killed himself for unrequited love, the publication being followed by a rash of suicides by romantic young men.

The night before the latest Islamist outrage in France, in which a terrorist killed three people in the Basilica of Notre-Dame de Nice, I was reading a short book about Islamist terrorism in Europe, preparatory to writing an article about the beheading by a Chechen refugee of Samuel Paty, the teacher who had used the cartoons of Muhammad in his civics class to teach about freedom of expression, two weeks ago.

The book was by Hamid Zanaz. The author is of Algerian origin, a philosopher who has not only abandoned his ancestral religion but is now opposed to it in all its guises. His book relates a story which goes far to explain how Islamism has been able to burrow, almost unopposed, into the fabric of Europe. The story relates to Norway, but something similar could be told of many, if not all, Western European countries. I will quote in extenso:

Karsten Nordal Hauken, a politician raped by a Somalian [refugee in Norway], opposed the deportation of his aggressor: “I lost years due to depression and cannabis. . . . I have learned that the rapist’s culture of origin is completely different from ours. In his culture, sexual abuse is above all a matter of taking power and not the result of sexual desire: it is not considered a homosexual act. To understand how it could occur, one has to overcome one’s prejudices. . . .”

He continued:

“I don’t feel any anger towards my aggressor, because I seem him more as the product of an unjust world. The product of an upbringing marked by war and privations. . . . I want us to continue to help the refugees despite such a context. . . . I am first a human being and not a Norwegian. No, I am part of the world, and unfortunately the world is unjust.”

In other words, it was really his fault, as an inhabitant of an unjustly privileged country, that the Somalian raped him. He got what he deserved: just as, by the same logic, the woman in the Basilica of Notre-Dame de Nice deserved her decapitation.

Some version of this peculiar state of mind is widespread in Europe (and probably in America, too), especially among the intelligentsia. Needless to say, it is hardly a state of mind propitious to countering a vicious and dangerous ideology. To understand the mentality, two texts spring to mind: one by G.K. Chesterton and one by Max Frisch.

In Orthodoxy, Chesterton wrote that the modern world “is full of wild and wasted virtues.” He continued:

When a religious scheme is shattered . . . it is not merely the vices that are less loose. The vices are, indeed, let loose, and they wander and do damage. But the virtues are let loose also; and the virtues wander more wildly, and the virtues do more terrible damage. . . . some humanitarians care only for pity; and their pity (I am sorry to say) is often untruthful.

What pithier way to characterize Hauken’s egotistical state of mind than untruthful pity? And what terrible damage his untruthful pity, or something like it, has done.

The second text, that of Max Frisch’s great play The Fire Raisers, captures the sheer cowardice of Nordal Hauken’s state of mind, and that of the many like him. In the play, a businessman called Biedermann admits a poor itinerant arsonist into his house, partly from charity and partly from a pusillanimous inability to say no (it is difficult to disentangle the two). The arsonist gives ever-clearer indications that he intends to burn the house down, but Biedermann, again partly from blindness and social embarrassment but mostly from cowardice, refuses to recognize it and expel the arsonist. The latter burns the house down, killing Biedermann and his wife, who then go to hell.

Frisch’s play, published in 1953, is an allegory of the takeover of societies by Nazi and Communist totalitarianism, but it is of much wider application to that of any society or organization that faces destruction by those who insinuate themselves into it with the intention or desire to destroy it.
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Reply #13 - Apr 13th, 2021 at 6:41pm
 
Have you tried obsessively posting spineless apologetics for terrorism and oppression on online forums Brian?
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freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 6:41pm:
Have you tried obsessively posting spineless apologetics for terrorism and oppression on online forums Brian?


You answer my questions and I might answer yours, Freediver. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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The best way to curb anti-Muslim rhetoric the next time you witness it? Simply point out the other person's hypocrisy. But do it with some tact.


doesn't work ... this forum is evidence of that.

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aquascoot wrote on Mar 19th, 2021 at 12:26pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 18th, 2021 at 9:01pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:

Islam - what's to like about it???  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



i think its the testosterone.

the woke left are comprised of frustrated feminists and weak timid smug men.
so they arent getting any good sex.

they look at some very hairy beast of a man and their primitive brain is aroused.

its primal that people like Merkel who isnt getting any action would fantasise about having 3 million young virile horny hairy men roaming around .

its no different to hugh hefner wanting a lot of babes decorating his pool

They are weedy or pudgy, in silly sandals and pajamas, from Afghanistan to Indonesia. And on the nose. The hairy beasts from the middle east are a comical version of the oily, macho Italians of the 60s.

Prince Philip, on the other hand -  tall, lean, blond, Danish, capable - is revered as a god in some parts of the South Pacific. Tsk, tsk   Cool Cool



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John Smith wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 6:50pm:
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The best way to curb anti-Muslim rhetoric the next time you witness it? Simply point out the other person's hypocrisy. But do it with some tact.


doesn't work ... this forum is evidence of that.




Translation -
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I kiss Muslim bums.   Grin
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Here is Brian doing a demonstration:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm:
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Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
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7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...



I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.


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freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:07pm:
Here is Brian doing a demonstration:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm:
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Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
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7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...



I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.




which is worse FD? Brian's comment or you wishing women were raped with a cactus?

I doubt that even the most extreme muslims could up with anything as barbaric as you FD
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You are a liar John.
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John Smith wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:09pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:07pm:
Here is Brian doing a demonstration:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm:
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Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
Quote:
7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...



I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.




which is worse FD? Brian's comment or you wishing women were raped with a cactus?

I doubt that even the most extreme muslims could up with anything as barbaric as you FD


Oh, I don't know

FGM,  destroying a woman's ability to enjoy sex Or possibly even killing the comes pretty dam close to me.
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Significantly, our fight against al-Qa’ida and Islamist terrorism is not over. Despite the Australian government’s new woke language guide to Islamist extremism, al-Qa’ida’s military training manual is explicit in describing the lengths this movement is prepared to go. The manual states: “The confrontation we are calling for with these apostate regimes does not know Socratic debates, Platonic ideals nor Aristotelian diplomacy. But it knows the dialogue of bullets, the ideals of assassination, bombing and des­truc­tion and the diplomacy of the cannon and machinegun.”

Its authors are unequivocal and sadly historically accurate, when they explain, “Islamic governments have never and will never be established through peaceful solutions and co-operative councils. They are established, as they always have been, by pen and gun, by word and bullet, by tongue and teeth.” This mindset will not be defeated or outmanoeuvred by earnest think tanks in Washington or Brussels. These extremists regard themselves as the vanguard of the Islamic revolution. It is a fight beyond time and geography.
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It was a fanciful mistake attempting nation-building in Afghanistan. Destroying terrorist training camps and hunting al-Qa’ida, yes. Building a nation to achieve the same ends, no. Unless we were planning to stay forever.
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Reply #25 - Apr 16th, 2021 at 10:42am
 
Frank wrote on Apr 16th, 2021 at 7:45am:

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"......It was a fanciful mistake attempting nation-building in Afghanistan.

Destroying terrorist training camps and hunting al-Qa’ida, yes.

Building a nation to achieve the same ends, no.

Unless we were planning to stay forever."


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Yes !

Exactly so.



Stupid, idiotic people [....those who planned the U.S. and Coalition     'incursion'     into Afghanistan in 2001. ].

It was wrong, it was just wrong !

Arrogant, and wrong,    ....of those U.S. and Coalition conflict planners, re Afghanistan.



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Islamophobia exists.  This thread is fill with examples of the condition.  I just wish Islamophobes would seek help.  Innocent people do not deserve to be persecuted.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:35pm:
You are a liar John.


You don't think raping women with a cactus is barbaric FD? What was the lie?

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John Smith wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:07pm:
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Hello John.


careful idiot ... editing my posts is a banable offense. Apologise or I'll have to report you!
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John Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2021 at 3:34pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:35pm:
You are a liar John.


You don't think raping women with a cactus is barbaric FD? What was the lie?



It's pretty clear what I am saying John. Let's try again.

You are a liar.

Of course, you already know this.
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is to eliminate the detestable aspects of Islam and stop the jihad to achieve them.  Thats why Buddhism is loved - it's not about subjugating anyone.  Therd is no 'buddhaphobia'.

The problem in 'islamophobia' is not the 'phobia' but Islam.
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Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 9:33am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:

is to eliminate the detestable aspects of Islam and stop the jihad to achieve them.  Thats why Buddhism is loved - it's not about subjugating anyone.  Therd is no 'buddhaphobia'.

The problem in 'islamophobia' is not the 'phobia' but Islam.


Spoken like a true Islamophobe.
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Reply #33 - Apr 17th, 2021 at 11:25am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 10:01am:
Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 9:33am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:

is to eliminate the detestable aspects of Islam and stop the jihad to achieve them.  Thats why Buddhism is loved - it's not about subjugating anyone.  Therd is no 'buddhaphobia'.

The problem in 'islamophobia' is not the 'phobia' but Islam.


Spoken like a true Islamophobe.

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Reply #34 - Apr 21st, 2021 at 11:42pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 9:33am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:

is to eliminate the detestable aspects of Islam and stop the jihad to achieve them.  Thats why Buddhism is loved - it's not about subjugating anyone.  Therd is no 'buddhaphobia'.

The problem in 'islamophobia' is not the 'phobia' but Islam.


I agree, old boy. I think it's good to get rid of all the philes. Marxists, Maoists, Buddhists, Islamists, the lot. Into the bin with all the ists.

But do you know? You'll just find another, you silly thing. Get rid of Islamists, and you'll be onto the Buddhists, then the Taoists, the Marxists, the Maoists, anyone who's left.

There's no feeding you, dear boy, you're insatiable. As long as there's another person, animal or mineral left, you'll hate. You'll always find something to be phobic to, you poor old thing, it's just you.

But do you know? We love you for it, we wouldn't have it any other way. If not you, who?

You?
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Reply #35 - Apr 21st, 2021 at 11:54pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 21st, 2021 at 11:42pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 9:33am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:

is to eliminate the detestable aspects of Islam and stop the jihad to achieve them.  Thats why Buddhism is loved - it's not about subjugating anyone.  Therd is no 'buddhaphobia'.

The problem in 'islamophobia' is not the 'phobia' but Islam.


I agree, old boy. I think it's good to get rid of all the philes. Marxists, Maoists, Buddhists, Islamists, the lot. Into the bin with all the ists.

But do you know? You'll just find another, you silly thing. Get rid of Islamists, and you'll be onto the Buddhists, then the Taoists, the Marxists, the Maoists, anyone who's left.

There's no feeding you, dear boy, you're insatiable. As long as there's another person, animal or mineral left, you'll hate. You'll always find something to be phobic to, you poor old thing, it's just you.

But do you know? We love you for it, we wouldn't have it any other way. If not you, who?

You?

Thank you moron. Now, by your idiocy, islamophobia is not anything to do with islam even.

You are that stupid. Bbwian will yawn at you, watch out.

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The story so far:

There is minimal right wing terrorism, when the truth is told and a comparison is made with the daily islamic, ritualistic raping torturing and mass murdering around the globe. (all done to appease a reinvented pagan moon god allah)

Sharia law is widespread in the global islamic countries / nations.

islam rules by force and threat of death, it cannot stand up to any criticizm.

islam is a pagan moon god death cult.

islam preaches that all religion and rule of law must be for allah.

Freedom of conscience is forbidden by islam.

Because islam is anti western democracy, western leftards are enthralled by it, they are desperate to force islam with all it's associated evil onto the rest of us.

Leftards use fake news, straight out lies and misrepresentative facts to try and denigrate the *whitey* and western democracy, all the while trying to force islam onto the rest of us, with their lies etc. etc..
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freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 8:56am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2021 at 3:34pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:35pm:
You are a liar John.


You don't think raping women with a cactus is barbaric FD? What was the lie?



It's pretty clear what I am saying John. Let's try again.

You are a liar.

Of course, you already know this.


The only thing clear is the level of stupidity you insist on displaying almost daily. What exactly are you pretending I'm lying about now?
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Frank wrote on Apr 21st, 2021 at 11:54pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 21st, 2021 at 11:42pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 9:33am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:

is to eliminate the detestable aspects of Islam and stop the jihad to achieve them.  Thats why Buddhism is loved - it's not about subjugating anyone.  Therd is no 'buddhaphobia'.

The problem in 'islamophobia' is not the 'phobia' but Islam.


I agree, old boy. I think it's good to get rid of all the philes. Marxists, Maoists, Buddhists, Islamists, the lot. Into the bin with all the ists.

But do you know? You'll just find another, you silly thing. Get rid of Islamists, and you'll be onto the Buddhists, then the Taoists, the Marxists, the Maoists, anyone who's left.

There's no feeding you, dear boy, you're insatiable. As long as there's another person, animal or mineral left, you'll hate. You'll always find something to be phobic to, you poor old thing, it's just you.

But do you know? We love you for it, we wouldn't have it any other way. If not you, who?

You?

Thank you moron. Now, by your idiocy, islamophobia is not anything to do with islam even.

You are that stupid. Bbwian will yawn at you, watch out.



Better yawn at him, Brian, he's clearly triggered. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

It's taken a while, but I think you're making some progress.
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Islamophobia exists.  This thread is fill with examples of the condition.  I just wish Islamophobes would seek help.  Innocent people do not deserve to be persecuted.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Only  Muslims can be Islamophobic due to the contradictions between Islamic doctrines and everyday life and decency.
Non-Muslims believing that Islam wants to subjugate them are not Islamophobes, they simply take Islamic doctrines and their intentions seriously.

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John Smith wrote on Apr 22nd, 2021 at 4:30pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2021 at 8:56am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2021 at 3:34pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2021 at 7:35pm:
You are a liar John.


You don't think raping women with a cactus is barbaric FD? What was the lie?



It's pretty clear what I am saying John. Let's try again.

You are a liar.

Of course, you already know this.


The only thing clear is the level of stupidity you insist on displaying almost daily. What exactly are you pretending I'm lying about now?


No, its very clear that you are a liar, and quite possibly a sock.
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Showed several of bwyannnnnnnnnnnn's posts to a psychologist friend of mine.

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Is dawkins talking about Brian , john smith, Mothra and little pecca?



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The sad truth of islam.

From the day they are born, children are indoctrinated into believing that Allah is the one true god and that everyone else are pagans and must be murdered because they dont believe.

Daily rituals of bowing and mind numbing mantras to their god reinforce that belief continually.

Anyone, ANYONE who dares to question ANYTHING about this cult are either tortured or killed, along with their families.
Leaving the cult is forbidden and brings death to them and their family members.

There is no open discussion, only pure enforced pilgrimage to this god who promotes murder, rape and torture of infidels (non-believers)

Now, all this is done for what?
All the hardships, murder, torture and poverty in this life is for one reason.
They sacrifice their wealth, pleasure, joy and life for a mythical afterlife.
To be given a wondrous afterlife with 40 virgins (what about the women, do they get virgins for their sacrifices?)

How many have actually seen this afterlife?
How many have come back to extol the virtues of this life after death?

So, they are murdering, torturing and punishing people for what?
A dream some sociopath, lying, murderer, self confessed pedophile told them so?

Think about this.
This cowardly prophet RAN AWAY AND HID UNDER HIS BED when his enemies were after him.
He then later, probably in an attempt to hide his cowardly sins, went and destroyed those who kept him safe...Nice guy
Then he tell about the flying donkeys, watching the sun set into a muddy hole and numerous other lies.
The best yet is that he outsmarted the devil..........You have to be kidding.

He rapes some pre-pubescent girls and boasts about it.
Comes up with his only solution to everything (beheading) and sets about forming a cult of death and destruction.

And this is who the followers of islam believe that murder, rape and destruction will take them into an afterlife of joy and heaven?

Seriously???????

You would have to be a total nutcase to believe this liar and follow his doctrines.

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Reply #48 - Jul 26th, 2021 at 11:11pm
 
The Troll displays his Islamophobia for all to see.  Tsk, tsk.  He should stick to bridges.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26th, 2021 at 11:11pm:
The Troll displays his Islamophobia for all to see.  Tsk, tsk.  He should stick to bridges.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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The sad truth of islam.

From the day they are born, children are indoctrinated into believing that Allah is the one true god and that everyone else are pagans and must be murdered because they dont believe.

Daily rituals of bowing and mind numbing mantras to their god reinforce that belief continually.

Anyone, ANYONE who dares to question ANYTHING about this cult are either tortured or killed, along with their families.
Leaving the cult is forbidden and brings death to them and their family members.

There is no open discussion, only pure enforced pilgrimage to this god who promotes murder, rape and torture of infidels (non-believers)

Now, all this is done for what?
All the hardships, murder, torture and poverty in this life is for one reason.
They sacrifice their wealth, pleasure, joy and life for a mythical afterlife.
To be given a wondrous afterlife with 40 virgins (what about the women, do they get virgins for their sacrifices?)

How many have actually seen this afterlife?
How many have come back to extol the virtues of this life after death?

So, they are murdering, torturing and punishing people for what?
A dream some sociopath, lying, murderer, self confessed pedophile told them so?

Think about this.
This cowardly prophet RAN AWAY AND HID UNDER HIS BED when his enemies were after him.
He then later, probably in an attempt to hide his cowardly sins, went and destroyed those who kept him safe...Nice guy
Then he tell about the flying donkeys, watching the sun set into a muddy hole and numerous other lies.
The best yet is that he outsmarted the devil..........You have to be kidding.

He rapes some pre-pubescent girls and boasts about it.
Comes up with his only solution to everything (beheading) and sets about forming a cult of death and destruction.

And this is who the followers of islam believe that murder, rape and destruction will take them into an afterlife of joy and heaven?

Seriously???????

You would have to be a total nutcase to believe this liar and follow his doctrines.

ISLAM, THE CULT OF DEATH AND DESTRUCTION
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Kurt Westergaard's cartoon was the memorable one, and the one you recall as the years roll by. It was a pithy visual jest: Mohammed's turban as a bomb with a lit fuse.

"I attempted to show that terrorists get their spiritual ammunition from parts of Islam, and with this spiritual ammunition, and with dynamite and other explosives, they kill people  I showed this in a cartoon and what happened? They want to kill me, so I think I was right."


To the end of his life, al-Qa'eda and its affiliates had a combined eight-figure bounty on Kurt Westergaard's head.


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The sad truth of islam.

From the day they are born, children are indoctrinated into believing that Allah is the one true god and that everyone else are pagans and must be murdered because they dont believe.

Daily rituals of bowing and mind numbing mantras to their god reinforce that belief continually.

Anyone, ANYONE who dares to question ANYTHING about this cult are either tortured or killed, along with their families.
Leaving the cult is forbidden and brings death to them and their family members.

There is no open discussion, only pure enforced pilgrimage to this god who promotes murder, rape and torture of infidels (non-believers)

Now, all this is done for what?
All the hardships, murder, torture and poverty in this life is for one reason.
They sacrifice their wealth, pleasure, joy and life for a mythical afterlife.
To be given a wondrous afterlife with 40 virgins (what about the women, do they get virgins for their sacrifices?)

How many have actually seen this afterlife?
How many have come back to extol the virtues of this life after death?

So, they are murdering, torturing and punishing people for what?
A dream some sociopath, lying, murderer, self confessed pedophile told them so?

Think about this.
This cowardly prophet RAN AWAY AND HID UNDER HIS BED when his enemies were after him.
He then later, probably in an attempt to hide his cowardly sins, went and destroyed those who kept him safe...Nice guy
Then he tell about the flying donkeys, watching the sun set into a muddy hole and numerous other lies.
The best yet is that he outsmarted the devil..........You have to be kidding.

He rapes some pre-pubescent girls and boasts about it.
Comes up with his only solution to everything (beheading) and sets about forming a cult of death and destruction.

And this is who the followers of islam believe that murder, rape and destruction will take them into an afterlife of joy and heaven?

Seriously???????

You would have to be a total nutcase to believe this liar and follow his doctrines.

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The religious identity of perpetrator and victim can both be discerned from the footage. Can’t they?

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Bertie wrote on Aug 23rd, 2021 at 4:08pm:
The religious identity of perpetrator and victim can both be discerned from the footage. Can’t they?

https://twitter.com/DouglasKMurray/status/1429485011242205191


My wife argues kinda like this sometimes

Me: Did you see the Muslim punch out the Jew?
Her: How do you know what they were?
Me: Well they were both dressed appropriate to the cultures.
Her: That doesn't mean they were, they could have been cross dressing.
Me: How likely is it that we have two people cross dressing as the other and them coming into contact and an assault taking place?
Her: That doesn't mean it's not possible.
Me: Can we use Occam's razor? What is most likely to have happened? Simplest explanation?
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On 9/11, there were only about 1,200 mosques across the U.S. That would nearly double by 2010, and rise to nearly 3,000 by last year.



Centres of open and free discussion are built at an even greater rate across the Muslim world, right?? 


No??!!??  Shurely shome mishtake.....
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Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 9th, 2021 at 3:23pm:
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What is the point of being Muslim if Muslims are just like everyone else?

The answer is the lie at the heart of The lie that is multiculturalism.

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The Best Way to Make the Moslem Accountable for His Behaviour


Tell the whole world, who the moslem is.

Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.




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islam = evil = satanism.

muslims = ghouls of evil.
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moses wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 5:50pm:
islam = evil = satanism.

muslims = ghouls of evil.


In most cases it's simply that the easily led or retarded follow the CULT.

They recruit from gaols so that they can have the worst possible kind of thug

Islam is a political sum CULT that plans to take over the world through whatever means it can.

And if you are wondering what the world will be like under Islamic rule.

Just look at Afghanistan,  that is Islam in the raw.
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Valkie wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 6:01pm:
moses wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 5:50pm:
islam = evil = satanism.

muslims = ghouls of evil.


In most cases it's simply that the easily led or retarded follow the CULT.

They recruit from gaols so that they can have the worst possible kind of thug

Islam is a political sum CULT that plans to take over the world through whatever means it can.

And if you are wondering what the world will be like under Islamic rule.

Just look at Afghanistan,  that is Islam in the raw.


Where do you hide the bodies Valkie?

Under your guano hat?

The Bulgarians have a tip on Valkies whereabouts and hope for an arrest soon, followed by a frogmarching back to the orphanage Valkie escaped from at age 70.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 6:05pm:
Valkie wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 6:01pm:
moses wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 5:50pm:
islam = evil = satanism.

muslims = ghouls of evil.


In most cases it's simply that the easily led or retarded follow the CULT.

They recruit from gaols so that they can have the worst possible kind of thug

Islam is a political sum CULT that plans to take over the world through whatever means it can.

And if you are wondering what the world will be like under Islamic rule.

Just look at Afghanistan,  that is Islam in the raw.


Where do you hide the bodies Valkie?

Under your guano hat?

The Bulgarians have a tip on Valkies whereabouts and hope for an arrest soon, followed by a frogmarching back to the orphanage Valkie escaped from at age 70.



Come now groggy
Grow a pair and post your insults under your real persona.

You keep mentioning hats
Are you a milliner  per chance?

Would explain a lot.


by the way groggy

How about you answer the following important questions?

1) You promised to leave the forum at least twice now, several years have passed since you lost your bet.

WHEN ARE YOU LEAVING?

I have included some answers for you to tick as appropriate Groggy.
a) Now...goodby.
b) as soon as I can get my socks working the way I want.
c) never, I'm a lying, welsher and have no intention of leaving
d) Don't know, I'm still drunk and have no idea what I'm doing


2) Why do you refuse to admit that the cult of death is a disgusting pedophile ring?

I have included some answers for you to tick as appropriate Groggy.
a) Because i'm a coward and scared of them.
b) Because I think they are a wonderful cult and think terrorism and pedophilia are OK
c) Because I'm a coward and a lying welsher, so can understand the cult of death
d) Dot know, I'm still drunk and have no idea what I'm doing.

3) Is drink driving the most despicable,  stupid and Dangerious thing any driver can do?
a) i dont care
b) I'm previlidge so, I don't care
c) I'm a dole/  welfare bludgers so I don't care
d) don't know, I'm still drunk and don't know what I'm doing.

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2021 at 8:11pm:
Troll...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Watch out, Bbwian is getting all incisive and intellectual and articulate (at his own level).




When bwyannnmnnn has no answer or knows he is beaten

He goes for the same old methodology.

It used to be a stupid emojis and some infantile statement.

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Drool on shirting, Bbwian......


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Frank wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:18pm:
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You wouldn't know, Soren.  Trolling again...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Somebody got sacked for posting this on FB in England a couple of days ago.





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Frank wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:40pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2021 at 8:18pm:
Troll...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Drool on shirting, Bbwian......


You wouldn't know, Soren.  Trolling again...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Bwyannnmnnn has written many letters of complaint to spoon manufacturers.

He gets really upset when he keeps getting the convex, rather than the concave spoons.

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Somebody got sacked for posting this on FB in England a couple of days ago.




So funny - thanks.    Grin
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Is no Islam - is no problem.....
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Islamophobia eh?

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The Saudis don't like atheists they have the death penalty for apostasy they chop their heads off.

One of the 5 pillars of Islam is Hajj which means a muslim must visit Saudi Arabia if they can.

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Frank wrote on Jan 1st, 2022 at 5:23pm:


Somebody got sacked for posting this on FB in England a couple of days ago.




So funny - thanks.    Grin


He's still got it.... wa' 'r ye gonna farken doo?
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Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 13th, 2022 at 10:57pm:
The Saudis don't like atheists they have the death penalty for apostasy they chop their heads off.

One of the 5 pillars of Islam is Hajj which means a muslim must visit Saudi Arabia if they can.



And this is the face of islam.

They will believe any tripe that their religious cult leaders tell them.....OR ELSE.

This is how Mo the mad worked with his stupidity and lies.
Donkeys flying
watching the sun sink into a mud hole
arguing with the devil
etc etc.

This nutcase cult of death is a cesspit of morons and idiots.
No wonder they dont want education for their people.
If anyone had even the most minute amount of intelligence, they would see through the crap and realize
That islam is nothing more than a pseudo religious/ political cult with aims at world domination.

A domination that would put the world back hundreds of years and destroy peace and advancement.
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Poor old bwyannnnnnnnnn has reverted back to childhood.

Didnt have to go far.
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Poor old bwyannnnnnnnnn

He has reverted back to kindergarden

Not much difference from his usual, could even be more sensible.

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Islamophobe Fascist!  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Why do you support terrorists bwyannnnnnnnn?

What is your motivation?????
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Islamic countries with Sharia law execute people for blasphemy.

In secular countries that don't have blasphemy laws Islamists rely on useful idiots like Brian,Greg,Mong,Arsie and Smithy to hurl the Islamophobia slur at critics of Islam to silence all criticism of Islam.

If you object to the Islamic death penalty for blasphemy some morally bankrupt leftist will call you an Islamophobe.

These morally bankrupt leftists think it's not acceptable to criticise Islam.

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Woman sentenced to death in Pakistan over ‘blasphemous’ WhatsApp activity


A court in Pakistan has sentenced a woman to death over allegedly blasphemous messages sent over WhatsApp and Facebook.

Aneeqa Ateeq, 26, was found guilty and given a death sentence by a court in Rawalpindi on Wednesday after a complaint was registered against her under Pakistan’s draconian cybercrime and blasphemy laws.

The court found her guilty, gave her to a 20-year sentence and ordered her to be hanged.

Ateeq’s lawyer Syeda Rashida Zainab said: “I can’t comment on the judgment as the issue is very sensitive.”

However, blasphemy trials in Pakistan are highly dangerous, with the accused often killed by vigilantes before courts reach a verdict on their cases, while judges, fearful of the implications, rarely acquit the accused and are often pressured into reaching guilty verdicts.

Pakistan has recently asked Facebook and Twitter to help identify its citizens suspected of blasphemy so it can prosecute them or pursue their extradition.


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Islam, the cult of tolerance and good will........................NOT

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Bastié views the new far Left’s alliance with political Islam as one of the most spectacular intellectual shifts. In the last decade or so, controversies about the place of Islam in French society and the challenge of radical (i.e., “political”) Islam have moved to the center of the public debate, along with the related issues of laïcité, immigration, and French identity.

The origin of the debate and, thus, of the fracture of the Left was the famous “veil issue” (l’affaire du voile) of 1989, when three teenage girls refused to take off their hijabs at a school in northern France. The Right rallied the liberal Left to the defense of the French tradition of laïcité, which, since the early 20th century, has sought to keep religion separate from politics and public education. But the far and cultural Lefts supported the rights of the schoolgirls to express their religious identity. Since then, political Islam has been the main actor and beneficiary of identity politics in France—and is likely to survive it. It sees universalism and laïcité as mere screens that discriminate against Muslims and foster Islamophobia.

Of course, the main reason why the traditionally anti-religious far Left embraced political Islam involves its rejection of liberal democracy, not a religious epiphany. Bastié says that the three main intellectual pillars of this alliance are Third Worldism, a legacy of Marxism; the idea that immigrants have become the new proletariat; and the misleading claim that Muslims in the West are what the Jews were in the 1930s, Islamophobia having replaced antisemitism. The most famous and extreme propagandist of political Islam is the Swiss Islamic philosopher Tariq Ramadan. Its fiercest opponents are female intellectuals born in Africa to Muslim families.

Bastié also describes the rise of neo-feminism and radical anti-racism as powerful trends in France’s public debate. It is true that feminist, black, and gay movements in France have lacked the intensity and clout they have in the United States and northern Europe. However, the demographic growth of ethnic and racial minorities in France, as well as transatlantic militancy, have given new impetus to these causes and the theories that inform them. Bastié says the old French traditions of gallantry and libertinage are being reinterpreted as screens for the subjugation of women. For universalist feminists, the Muslim veil is a symbol of oppression; but for neo-feminists, it signals the emancipation of Muslim women. Neo-feminists have refused to condemn rapists who are immigrants: In the infamous mass sexual assaults in Cologne on New Year’s Eve, 2016, the neo-feminists argued that the rapists were merely acting according to their cultural norms.
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Explain this then

"However, when asked to what extent they agreed or disagreed that homosexuality should be legal in Britain, 18% said they agreed and 52% said they disagreed, compared with 5% among the public at large who disagreed. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population.

In a series of questions on the terror threat in Britain, 4% said they sympathised with people who took part in suicide bombings (1% said they completely sympathised and 3% said they sympathised to some extent), and 4% said they sympathised with people who committed terrorist actions as a form of political protest generally.

Nearly a quarter (23%) supported the introduction of sharia law in some areas of Britain, and 39% agreed that “wives should always obey their husbands”, compared with 5% of the country as a whole. Two-thirds (66%) said they completely condemned people who took part in stoning adulterers, and a further 13% condemned them to some extent. Nearly a third (31%) thought it was acceptable for a British Muslim man to have more than one wife, compared with 8% of the wider population."

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trancenut wrote on May 1st, 2022 at 11:47am:
Explain this then

"However, when asked to what extent they agreed or disagreed that homosexuality should be legal in Britain, 18% said they agreed and 52% said they disagreed, compared with 5% among the public at large who disagreed. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population.

In a series of questions on the terror threat in Britain, 4% said they sympathised with people who took part in suicide bombings (1% said they completely sympathised and 3% said they sympathised to some extent), and 4% said they sympathised with people who committed terrorist actions as a form of political protest generally.

Nearly a quarter (23%) supported the introduction of sharia law in some areas of Britain, and 39% agreed that “wives should always obey their husbands”, compared with 5% of the country as a whole. Two-thirds (66%) said they completely condemned people who took part in stoning adulterers, and a further 13% condemned them to some extent. Nearly a third (31%) thought it was acceptable for a British Muslim man to have more than one wife, compared with 8% of the wider population."

I cannot post links because I am still new on the forum but this is from the guardian, the leff's fav news media.


What needs explaining here?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-...

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dump the islamphobes in Afghanistan with no money or passports  Grin Grin
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John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2022 at 11:59am:
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dump the islamphobes in Afghanistan with no money or passports  Grin Grin

Let Islam deal with infidels in it customary, brutal ways, yeah, Six Planks?



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Frank wrote on May 1st, 2022 at 11:55am:
What needs explaining here?



I asked Brian who still thinks islamophobia is just a phobia. Its not. Its a religious and a political cult. I would argue that any society that takes religion seriously is compromised in some way or the other and it goes for hinduism, sikhism, islam or catholics.
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 4:27pm:
Not quite true. Problem is, you only read what the MSM prints and it only prints stuff that is critical of Muslims. 

That still does not explain why more than 99% of terrorists are from a certain religion or religious ideology? I am not saying all of them are terrorists but i can I say if we dont have muslims in Australia there would be no terrorists as well?
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Frank wrote on May 1st, 2022 at 12:06pm:
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2022 at 11:59am:
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dump the islamphobes in Afghanistan with no money or passports  Grin Grin

Let Islam deal with infidels in it customary, brutal ways, yeah, Six Planks?





I'd bet you'd be the first to convert  Grin Grin
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Reply #108 - May 1st, 2022 at 6:33pm
 
The best way would be for everyone who believes in this "motherload of bad ideas" to stop believing in it.

That would be the best way.

Not going to happen, because Islam offers the intellectually stunted and stupid a sense of moral certainty and purpose.
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John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2022 at 11:59am:
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dump the islamphobes in Afghanistan with no money or passports  Grin Grin



No - dump the Islamists in Afghanistan with no money or passports....

Is no Islamist - is no problem ... better still.... ship 'em all to Greenacre where they can push up daisies with the best of them ... you'd think they would have learned to not  just walk out in a driveway there with a million dollar price tag on their head by now... but noooo - too hard a think ...
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The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia?

Cover up the truth:

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Bring back blasphemy laws
Free speech is all very well, but that’s no excuse for being RUDE


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July 2022  By  Titania McGrath



I wholeheartedly support the principle of free speech, but I do think that those who say things that offend minority groups ought to be arrested and possibly executed.

Take the recent film The Lady of Heaven. I haven’t watched the film, but apparently it is extremely offensive to the Islamic faith. There are only two billion Muslims in the world which, according to mathematicians, is only 25 per cent of the world’s population. This makes them an oppressed minority and deserving of our protection.

This is clearly an Islamophobic dog whistle

Thankfully, mass protests outside cinemas have led to screenings of The Lady of Heaven being cancelled. Islamophobes have been quick to point out that all the protesters were men and that we shouldn’t be supporting such a reactionary and patriarchal religion. But the Koran is actually a feminist book. The part about beating women is clearly ironic.

Besides, if there really was a problem with gender inequality in Islam, how do you explain the fact that there has never been a single successful conviction in a Sharia court for misogynistic hate crime?

As a Muslim ally, I consider any attack on Islam to be a form of racism. Imagine how ignorant you’d have to be to mock their beloved prophet or that four-armed elephant thing they all seem to like so much.

It’s not just blasphemous movies. Our media is also institutionally Islamophobic. We constantly hear reports of Islamic suicide bombers in the press, and yet for some reason Catholic suicide bombers are never mentioned.

And why is it that in media coverage of ISIS, reporters can never bring themselves to say anything nice about them? It’s obvious that they have a major problem with people of colour being in positions of power.

And one of our most popular children’s television shows is about Peppa Pig, a character entirely made out of pork. This is clearly an Islamophobic dog whistle.

The sad truth is that Islamophobia in the UK is out of control. Even our police force routinely target Muslims for no reason whatsoever. If you don’t believe me, try shouting “Allahu Akbar” at an airport and see what happens.
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Sounds like Gandalf and Abu's double speak.
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freediver wrote on Jul 28th, 2022 at 5:59pm:
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I wholeheartedly support the principle of free speech, but I do think that those who say things that offend minority groups ought to be arrested and possibly executed.


Sounds like Gandalf and Abu's double speak.


Years ago, FD, I got you to admit that hate speech that can lead to violence should be banned. You did of course trip over yourself when you then turned around and claimed the Quran to be that exact type of hate speech - but somehow should not be banned. So, who knows what actual position you have on this.

The point though is that my position on free speech, as well as yours (at least when you decide to be sane) - is actually not too dissimilar - nor is it too dissimilar to the positions held by the great majority of the wider public.

What you and me and most of the wider public most certainly do *NOT* share - is Abu's opinions on free speech.
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Frank wrote on Mar 18th, 2021 at 9:01pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:

Islam - what's to like about it???  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Islam is a religion started by a pedophile who saw fit to marry/have sex with a 6 yr old girl. Was he ever convicted?  No. Why? Not all pedophiles get convicted unfortunately. But this one was glorified and reverenced by a bunch of people who to this day allow the issue of his pedophilia to be excused or glorified.

Whilst here....the same may be said of Mormons. Joseph Smith was another one who took a few tips from Islam's founder.

If anyone here decides to contact Freediver about this post.. good. I'm ok with it. I have no fear or qualms about standing up for the truth. If the truth is offensive then I intend to be very offensive.

That's all. For now.


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polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 5th, 2022 at 2:25pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 28th, 2022 at 5:59pm:
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I wholeheartedly support the principle of free speech, but I do think that those who say things that offend minority groups ought to be arrested and possibly executed.


Sounds like Gandalf and Abu's double speak.


Years ago, FD, I got you to admit that hate speech that can lead to violence should be banned. You did of course trip over yourself when you then turned around and claimed the Quran to be that exact type of hate speech - but somehow should not be banned. So, who knows what actual position you have on this.

The point though is that my position on free speech, as well as yours (at least when you decide to be sane) - is actually not too dissimilar - nor is it too dissimilar to the positions held by the great majority of the wider public.

What you and me and most of the wider public most certainly do *NOT* share - is Abu's opinions on free speech.


He's back folks! The turncoat who will not answer the simple question, "Which is the higher authority, the Koran, or the Australian Constitution?" Come on, own up.
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Years ago, FD, I got you to admit that hate speech that can lead to violence should be banned.


Can you quote me?

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The point though is that my position on free speech, as well as yours (at least when you decide to be sane) - is actually not too dissimilar - nor is it too dissimilar to the positions held by the great majority of the wider public.


How does it differ?
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Bobby. wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 8:41pm:
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia?

Cover up the truth:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/106/053/028/original/e5150e...


That is it.

I thought this place would be fun, but it's a hate cabal.

Go bugger yourselves whoever allows content like this, while banning people for swearing.

Go bugger yourself
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What are you suggesting random? That a political discussion forum should ban the use of satirical cartoons mocking politicians?
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polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 5th, 2022 at 2:25pm:
Years ago, FD, I got you to admit that hate speech that can lead to violence should be banned. You did of course trip over yourself when you then turned around and claimed the Quran to be that exact type of hate speech - but somehow should not be banned. So, who knows what actual position you have on this.


What you and me and most of the wider public most certainly do *NOT* share - is Abu's opinions on free speech.


Can you cite where FD said that?

FD doesn't appear to be into book burning sometimes it's better to expose what is actually written in those books.

Have you heard from Abu Rashid?

I thought he might have joined the Islamic state.


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freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 7:59am:
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Years ago, FD, I got you to admit that hate speech that can lead to violence should be banned.


Can you quote me?


found this gem from before I joined:

freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2008 at 2:09pm:
Freedom of speech is generally understood to exclude harming others - eg slander, inciting violence. This is where freedom of speech comes into conflict with other basic freedoms and rights. It never excludes the right to criticise other people's beliefs.



Of course you're not saying *YOU* subscribe to this "generally understood" dictum, but lets assume you do (and feel free to correct this).

What do you mean by "inciting violence"?

In this epic thread, you disagreed that making a public call to "behead those who insult the prophet" exceeded the limits of free speech - even in the context of a violent protest. My view was, and continues to be, this was a clear cut case of "inciting violence" - and as such, should be banned.

So again, what do you actually mean by "inciting violence"? In the same thread I got you to admit that "A direct and serious threat to kill someone should be illegal." Personally I consider extremists rampaging through the streets demanding that cartoonists who insult the prophet should be killed as a very "direct and serious threat to kill someone". Especially when we consider that this was literally what was happening in Europe at the time, and that would-be murderers who would happily kill in the name of Islam would know exactly who the protesters were referring to - if not their addresses and phone numbers.

But thats just me.

My point is, I think I have proven that both you and I agree on where freedom of speech ends - namely when it becomes incitement to violence. Its just that we disagree on exactly what constitutes incitement to violence.
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Reply #121 - Aug 8th, 2022 at 5:36pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 3:54pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 7:59am:
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Years ago, FD, I got you to admit that hate speech that can lead to violence should be banned.


Can you quote me?


found this gem from before I joined:

freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2008 at 2:09pm:
Freedom of speech is generally understood to exclude harming others - eg slander, inciting violence. This is where freedom of speech comes into conflict with other basic freedoms and rights. It never excludes the right to criticise other people's beliefs.



Of course you're not saying *YOU* subscribe to this "generally understood" dictum, but lets assume you do (and feel free to correct this).

What do you mean by "inciting violence"?

In this epic thread, you disagreed that making a public call to "behead those who insult the prophet" exceeded the limits of free speech - even in the context of a violent protest. My view was, and continues to be, this was a clear cut case of "inciting violence" - and as such, should be banned.

So again, what do you actually mean by "inciting violence"? In the same thread I got you to admit that "A direct and serious threat to kill someone should be illegal." Personally I consider extremists rampaging through the streets demanding that cartoonists who insult the prophet should be killed as a very "direct and serious threat to kill someone". Especially when we consider that this was literally what was happening in Europe at the time, and that would-be murderers who would happily kill in the name of Islam would know exactly who the protesters were referring to - if not their addresses and phone numbers.

But thats just me.

My point is, I think I have proven that both you and I agree on where freedom of speech ends - namely when it becomes incitement to violence. Its just that we disagree on exactly what constitutes incitement to violence.

That sounds sensible. 18c should be amended to remove other, entirely subjective limits to free speech.

http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html


(Had a look at that thread - Lestat, what a unit!  Grin Grin Grin )
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What do you mean by "inciting violence"?


Not "hate speech that can lead to violence".

Basically, you have to convince a jury that that there was a clear and imminent risk of violence, and that a reasonable person would have forseen the violence as a consequence, plus a few other caveats such as public interest, truth etc. Plus, and I am not sure how to work this in, but you would also have to exclude a situation where a person gets assaulted as a result of saying the wrong thing in the wrong pub, and then gets charged with inciting vioence against themselves.

An example: going to a BLM rally, waiting till the violence starts, pointing at the nearest white person, and shouting "OMG, that guy just stabbed three black people".
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freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
Not "hate speech that can lead to violence".


why not? Why bother splitting hairs? - if it *DOES* lead to violence, then it is inciting violence - no?

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Basically, you have to convince a jury that that there was a clear and imminent risk of violence, and that a reasonable person would have forseen the violence as a consequence,


Easy as pie. Just get a popular imam to stand in front of the cameras and declare "gays are scum who should be killed" in a country or community where gays are already under threat - and watch the vigilante killings pile up. Change 'gays' to 'jews', or whatever oppressed minority you like. I suspect prophet-insulting cartoonists might be your personal preference.

That is clearly "hate speech that can lead to violence" - and indeed does lead to violence (there are indisputably heaps of real life stories where these types of things actually happened).

freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
An example: going to a BLM rally, waiting till the violence starts, pointing at the nearest white person, and shouting "OMG, that guy just stabbed three black people".


You are stubbornly sticking to your guns on "fire in a theatre"- type statements as being the only possibility here, and refusing to contemplate the possibility that actual hate speech can, and does, lead to violence.

Or maybe you do. Would it be fair to describe your position as "free speech is so important that it must be protected at all costs - *EVEN IF* it can lead to violence"?
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'HATE SPEECH' AND SUCH......



If a non-moslem, within a 1st world nation, accuses a moslem of wrongdoing [IN LAW], that is an accusation IN LAW.

But if a non-moslem in an ISLAMIC law jurisdiction accuses a moslem of wrongdoing, the non-moslem commits an offence against ISLAMIC law,
AND, AND, AND, the non-moslem in making his accusation, is committing A HATE CRIME [against all moslems].



Today, moslems want every accusation against a moslem [by a non-moslem] to be always regarded, IN LAW, as A HATE CRIME [just like they do in ISLAMIC law jurisdictions],
even in 1st world nations.



In an ISLAMIC law jurisdiction, a disbeliever is not permitted to bring an accusation IN LAW against a believer.

100% true.



OBSERVATION;
The crime, or non-crime, is committed, 'In the eye of the beholder' [of those who judge the circumstances].

e.g.
In the U.S. in 2020, crimes of murder and of arson against property, by BLM supporters, were described by a CNN reporter as 'Mostly Peaceful'.



In the U.S. in 2020, we can all see, WOKE, LEFTIST, PROGRESSIVE values on display.

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CNN Claims Kenosha Protests Are ‘Fiery But Mostly Peaceful’ As City Burns Behind Reporter

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why not? Why bother splitting hairs?


Freedom of speech.

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if it *DOES* lead to violence, then it is inciting violence - no?


For want of a nail.

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Easy as pie. Just get a popular imam to stand in front of the cameras and declare "gays are scum who should be killed" in a country or community where gays are already under threat - and watch the vigilante killings pile up. Change 'gays' to 'jews', or whatever oppressed minority you like. I suspect prophet-insulting cartoonists might be your personal preference.


You are right. Islam is incompatible with freedom of speech.

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You are stubbornly sticking to your guns on "fire in a theatre"- type statements as being the only possibility here, and refusing to contemplate the possibility that actual hate speech can, and does, lead to violence.


The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
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feel free to provide a readable and coherent answer FD.

You can start with explaining what "for want of a nail" - in this context means.
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Are you familiar with the proverb, and the legal principle based on it?
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freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:50pm:
Are you familiar with the proverb, and the legal principle based on it?


No. Do please elaborate. Preferably with reference to the topic we are discussing.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 12:42pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:50pm:
Are you familiar with the proverb, and the legal principle based on it?


No. Do please elaborate. Preferably with reference to the topic we are discussing.



“For the want of a nail the shoe was lost,
For the want of a shoe the horse was lost,
For the want of a horse the rider was lost,
For the want of a rider the battle was lost,
For the want of a battle the kingdom was lost,
And all for the want of a horseshoe-nail.”

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17th, 2021 at 3:17pm:



Free speech



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Reply #133 - Aug 16th, 2022 at 1:43pm
 
Here you go FD, I'll give you a conversation starter:

hate speech that leads to violence is not incitement to violence.

discuss...

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@ Reply #133,



Discuss [blind] hatred [e.g. hate speech 'in the mosque'] and its consequences you say ?

AL WALAA WAL BARAA



The principle    religious   precept of ISLAM [and of ISLAMIC law],
is the [religiously justified] HATRED of every disbeliever, and of every person who rejects the PRIMACY of ISLAMIC law.

And, ISLAMIC religious strictures, plainly state, that every moslem, to remain a moslem,
must also hate, and fight, and kill disbelievers, until Allah's religion is followed by everyone ?


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HATRED OF ALL NON-MOSLEMS, is PURE mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine.


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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1608864099/1#1
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ARGUMENT;
The religious strictures of ISLAM require the follower of ISLAM;
1/ to love and to serve Allah's religion,
and,
2/ to hate all things which are deemed to be, NON-ISLAMIC.


".....loving and hating for the sake of Allah."



The religious strictures of ISLAM itself, determine what type of life is acceptable to ISLAM.  [a not uncommon situ, for followers of any religion]

And these religious strictures, 'nominate' [for the edification of the believer] every item [and idea] in this world, as being either ISLAMICALLY approved, or not.

And those 'things' which are not ISLAMICALLY approved, are to be rejected and hated, by the follower of ISLAM.

INCLUDING, all disbelievers.   e.g. Koran 60.4


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FURTHER;


WWW search....
AL WALAA WAL BARAA, "Islamic jurists"


Essentially, it translates as;

".....loving and hating for the sake of Allah."



It means, LOVING your moslem brothers.   .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts.

It means, HATING the non-moslem.   .....as per ISLAMIC religious precepts.

It means, being a moslem.

It means, OBEYING ISLAMIC LAW !




Pure Al-wala' wa-l-bara' in the Koran....


"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23






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ANOTHER EVIDENCE;



IMAGE.....
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Self-Described ‘Islamic Bonnie and Clyde’ Guilty of Plot to Attack ‘Non-Believers,’



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Oct 06, 2018


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By Christine Douglass-Williams on Oct 06, 2018

Australia: “Islamic Bonnie and Clyde” plotted New Year’s Eve jihad stabbing attack on non-Muslims


A couple who described themselves as an “Islamic Bonnie and Clyde” have been found guilty in an Australian court of planning a New Year’s Eve terrorist stabbing attack on non-Muslims.

Sameh Bayda and Alo-Bridget Namoa, both 21, were charged last year with the offences.

Now the two will enter prison, where they will likely join forces with other jihadists.


In February 2016, Sameh Bayda said to investigators that she wanted to do an “Islamic Bonnie and Clyde on the Kaffir.”


Prosecutors alleged Bayda.....said each believed they had a “religious obligation to attack non-believers”.


https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/10/australia-islamic-bonnie-and-clyde-plotted-ne...




NOW TELL ME AGAIN.....

What justification did that young "Aussie" moslem couple give,
to explain their want,     to kill their 'fellow' Australians ???



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Prosecutors alleged Bayda.....said each believed they had a “religious obligation to attack non-believers”.






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Reply #135 - Aug 16th, 2022 at 6:01pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 16th, 2022 at 1:43pm:
Here you go FD, I'll give you a conversation starter:

hate speech that leads to violence is not incitement to violence.

discuss...



Who with? Does anyone disagree with you?
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Reply #136 - Aug 18th, 2022 at 8:54am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 16th, 2022 at 6:01pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 16th, 2022 at 1:43pm:
Here you go FD, I'll give you a conversation starter:

hate speech that leads to violence is not incitement to violence.

discuss...



See this is where we run into problems when you reply with meaningless one line quips that no one understands.

Exhibit A:

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 9:25pm:
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if it *DOES* lead to violence, then it is inciting violence - no?


For want of a nail.


Without any available elaboration, I interpreted that as you disagreeing that hate speech that leads to violence is inciting violence.

But feel free to explain yourself for once.
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Reply #137 - Aug 18th, 2022 at 7:04pm
 
Frank has already googled it for you.

Frank wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 1:04pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15th, 2022 at 12:42pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2022 at 5:50pm:
Are you familiar with the proverb, and the legal principle based on it?


No. Do please elaborate. Preferably with reference to the topic we are discussing.



“For the want of a nail the shoe was lost,
For the want of a shoe the horse was lost,
For the want of a horse the rider was lost,
For the want of a rider the battle was lost,
For the want of a battle the kingdom was lost,
And all for the want of a horseshoe-nail.”

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I understand the quote What I don't understand is how its supposed to clear up what I actually asked you:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18th, 2022 at 8:54am:
Without any available elaboration, I interpreted that as you disagreeing that hate speech that leads to violence is inciting violence.

But feel free to explain yourself for once.


- which I asked straight after you suggested that no one disagrees with the statement "hate speech that leads to violence is not incitement to violence."
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Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?
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freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2022 at 8:17am:
Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


Try again FD.

I'm not going to guess at what you mean, and then have you accuse me of misinterpreting you.

I am not asking you to (cryptically) explain your support for free speech. I'm still trying to pin you down on the quote I posted you saying that 'hate speech that can lead to violence' is not 'incitement to violence'.

How do you figure this? If nutjobs are motivated to kill someone because of what someone said to them - then that speech is incitement to violence. Thats just a simple fact. Acknowledging this doesn't in any way diminish your devotion to "free speech" - but it does mean having to acknowledge that you believe that incitement to violence is a necessary evil to support - in order to uphold the greater good of free speech.
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I'm still trying to pin you down on the quote I posted you saying that 'hate speech that can lead to violence' is not 'incitement to violence'.


There is nothing cryptic about it. This is the legal (and moral) principle I am basing it on. It is literally taught to first year law students using the proverb. Answer the question correctly, and you will have shown that you also understand the principle. Just try it, grasshopper.

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freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2022 at 7:33am:
Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


I thought I made myself clear FD, I don't understand the analogy - in relation to what I was actually asking you.

Now try again:
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I'm still trying to pin you down on the quote I posted you saying that 'hate speech that can lead to violence' is not 'incitement to violence'.


try and give a straight answer if you can. Pretend I'm stupid and I don't have any idea what the nail proverb says or means, and that its pointless continually repeating it. So you may as well discard it altogether. And no need to rant about first year law classes etc either.

Just answer the question grasshopper.
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I thought I made myself clear FD, I don't understand the analogy - in relation to what I was actually asking you.


Do you understand the proverb?
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Paganism created Zarathustrianism (Duality)
Zarathustrian created Judaism, Christianity and Mohommedism.
Like a 'God-Father' creates 3 sons.

Judaism - themed on Asia
Christianity - themed on Europe
Mohommedism - themed on Africa

...you will find that the Media and its 'holier' than though Celebrities are doing the same with N.America, Australia and S.America from their true Oceanic future.


Judaism/Christianity - same book, different stories.
Christianity/Mohommedism - different books, same story.
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You can see why they view the West as weak. Sadism is entrenched in Islam.

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Bobby. wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 6:55am:
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You can see why they view the West as weak. Sadism is entrenched in Islam.




Muslims are still stuck in the 7th century and all its barbarity.


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freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2022 at 8:58am:
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I thought I made myself clear FD, I don't understand the analogy - in relation to what I was actually asking you.


Do you understand the proverb?


Yes.

I don't understand you.

But never mind, you are obviously determined not to clarify anything. As you were.
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I think, at least in Australia, we need to maintain a certain
degree of Islamophobia.  It keeps us on our toes, especially
now that so many Muslims are settling here.  Islam is the
second-fastest growing religion in Australia, and at the last
census there were more than 813,300 of them here.  As a
comparison, there were only 99,950 Jews in Australia.

As a lifelong atheist, I find this image, captured in Sydney, quite disturbing...

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This is NOT how we should be educating young Australian
schoolgirls in any way, shape or form.  I dread to think what
they're being taught behind closed doors.



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In 1941 the English Channel proved very effective in preventing an invasion by Adolf Hitler’s Germany, but it has proved much less effective in 2022 in deterring an invasion of illegal migrants from North Africa and the Middle East.

On one day last week almost 1300 of these migrants reached the English coast in 27 boats. These took the total number of arrivals for the eight months of this year to almost 23,000, close to double the number who had crossed the Channel by the same time last year.

All of these arrivals presumably will claim asylum as political refugees in Britain, thereby sparking legal proceedings that will take many years to determine, if ever. What they know is, once they have landed in Britain, the overwhelming likelihood is they will never be forced to leave. They are, of course, not political refugees but economic immigrants.

This is not in itself a cause for criticism. The US and Australia were built largely by economic immigrants. But in those cases their entry was authorised by the administrations of each country.

In a desperate effort to deal with this problem the British government devised a plan this year to process asylum-seekers in Rwanda. This was essentially an exercise in deterrence on the basis that those crossing the Channel would not do so if they knew their destination was Rwanda, not Britain. But immigration lawyers brought proceedings against the British government in the European Court of Human Rights, which granted an injunction to stop any deportations to Rwanda.

This is an issue of sovereignty. Britain has left the EU but is still subject to a court in Strasbourg, France. Why the British government is prepared to accept such a situation is difficult to answer.

The problem with the 1951 Geneva Convention on the status of refugees is that it defines a refugee as a person who has left their country because of a well-founded view of being persecuted in that country by reason of race, religion, nationality, membership of a political social group or political opinion. It no doubt was thought in 1951 that there would be individuals from time to time in this category but no one envisaged a situation where millions of people in some regions wanted to leave their countries and move to more attractive ones.

It also was assumed in 1951 that refugees would seek asylum in the first country in which they arrived after leaving their own unsafe regime. But, as in the case of those crossing the Channel, it is now possible to move through many countries, then finally settle on one – in this case Britain – as the place to make an asylum claim.

Almost all the boats crossing the Channel are leaving from France. This raises the question of why the immigrants, many of them unaccompanied young men, having moved through Europe from North Africa and the Middle East, do not want to try to settle in one of these European countries,including France, which they obviously want to abandon for Britain. Needless to say, the French have no interest in stopping the boats and they cannot be compelled to take their occupants back even if the British were to force them to turn around.

Most Western countries have a system for authorised immigrants and a separate quota for genuine refugees. The only alternative is the concept of open borders in circumstances where millions in Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia would prefer to live in a Western country. But that solution to the problems of immigration in the modern world is never openly advocated by those in Britain who condemned the Rwanda proposal or those in Australia who have condemned the policies of successive federal governments. Yet it is an inevitable consequence of the views they espouse.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/britain-besieged-by-economic-migrant...

Turning back boats and deportations are necessary. Court procedures for asylum claim reviews must be shortened and radically simplified. There is a whole immigration law industry.  There shouldn't be. Grounds for asylum must be narrowed.

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Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


Is free speech the nail or the kingdom in this analogy? Or is it incitement to violence that is the nail - or perhaps the apprentice? At least answer that.

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freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 2:24pm:
Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


Is free speech the nail or the kingdom in this analogy? Or is it incitement to violence that is the nail - or perhaps the apprentice? At least answer that.

Do you even remember what I actually asked you?


In this analogy, the nail represents a nail and the kingdom represents a kingdom.
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Is this the sort of "discussion" you envisaged when you first created this forum FD?

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I never expected to find a whole religion dedicated to evasion.

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Is this the sort of "discussion" you envisaged when you first created this forum FD?




It is a magnificently plain record and illustration of just how alien the Islamic mind is, not least because its absolute dread of critical self-reflection.

If there is ONE thing that Islam killed off and keeps killing off to this day, it is critical self-reflection. Because Muslims from Mohammed to this day know that critical self-reflection would blow Islam away faster than a Haboob.



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freediver wrote on Sep 2nd, 2022 at 5:40pm:
I never expected to find a whole religion dedicated to evasion.


Hilarious - says the guy who has avoided a simple request for clarification about 5 times now.

Lets just pretend you are not trolling, and you genuinely don't understand what the problem is here. This is literally how it has gone down:

FD asks: "Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?"

Gandalf asks what that means in the context of this discussion.

FD answers: "Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?"

FD follow-up answer to more requests for clarification as to what the analogy means:
"In this analogy, the nail represents a nail and the kingdom represents a kingdom."

Now I know you know how inane and stupid you are acting, but I'll just put it here anyway for posterity.
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Reply #158 - Sep 30th, 2022 at 10:28am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 2nd, 2022 at 5:54pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 2nd, 2022 at 1:57pm:
Is this the sort of "discussion" you envisaged when you first created this forum FD?




It is a magnificently plain record and illustration of just how alien the Islamic mind is, not least because its absolute dread of critical self-reflection.

If there is ONE thing that Islam killed off and keeps killing off to this day, it is critical self-reflection. Because Muslims from Mohammed to this day know that critical self-reflection would blow Islam away faster than a Haboob.


Oh I agree Frank - definitely someone explaining a free speech analogy "Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?" - with "In this analogy, the nail represents a nail and the kingdom represents a kingdom." - sure does expose what a silly bunch those muslims are.
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Reply #159 - Sep 30th, 2022 at 6:11pm
 
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Gandalf asks what that means in the context of this discussion.


I think the answer will be obvious if you stop evading. It is independent of context. Your question does not even make sense.

FD asks: "Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?"
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Reply #160 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 9:38am
 
It is not independent of context FD. I can't believe I have to point that out.

Pretend I'm stupid and it is not obvious to me. Just explain it anyway - just for fun.
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Reply #161 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:42pm
 
Perhaps you could give some contexts in which the answer is different?

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?
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Reply #162 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 6:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 11:34am:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 2:24pm:
Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


Is free speech the nail or the kingdom in this analogy? Or is it incitement to violence that is the nail - or perhaps the apprentice? At least answer that.

Do you even remember what I actually asked you?


In this analogy, the nail represents a nail and the kingdom represents a kingdom.



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Reply #163 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:58pm
 
random wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:57pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 6:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 11:34am:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 2:24pm:
Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


Is free speech the nail or the kingdom in this analogy? Or is it incitement to violence that is the nail - or perhaps the apprentice? At least answer that.

Do you even remember what I actually asked you?


In this analogy, the nail represents a nail and the kingdom represents a kingdom.



https://media.tenor.com/ZCNqYW8b3JoAAAAM/what-a-dick-kyle-broflovski.gif


Apparently that makes it too complicated for Gandalf. He prefers it when words mean something other than what they mean.
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Reply #164 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 9:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:58pm:
random wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:57pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 6:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 30th, 2022 at 11:34am:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2022 at 2:24pm:
Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


Is free speech the nail or the kingdom in this analogy? Or is it incitement to violence that is the nail - or perhaps the apprentice? At least answer that.

Do you even remember what I actually asked you?


In this analogy, the nail represents a nail and the kingdom represents a kingdom.



https://media.tenor.com/ZCNqYW8b3JoAAAAM/what-a-dick-kyle-broflovski.gif


Apparently that makes it too complicated for Gandalf. He prefers it when words mean something other than what they mean.


Congratulations.

I award you a Koala Stamp for not posting yet another rhetorical question.

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Reply #165 - Oct 7th, 2022 at 10:07am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:42pm:
Perhaps you could give some contexts in which the answer is different?

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


You have clearly forgotton the context, as you are too busy being inane.

Here's a reminder:

freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
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What do you mean by "inciting violence"?


Not "hate speech that can lead to violence".


after which...

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 12:01pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
Not "hate speech that can lead to violence".


why not? Why bother splitting hairs? - if it *DOES* lead to violence, then it is inciting violence - no?


Quote:
For want of a nail.


up to this point we were having an adult discussion. From here though you went into pre-school mode - simply repeating the nail analogy that I made perfectly clear that I did not understand. Despite repeated pleas to explain it within the above context of free speech and incitement, you decided to play stupid pre-school games.

But since you ask, that is the context.

The problem for me FD is that you never adequately explained the difference between "hate speech that leads to violence" and "inciting violence" - even though you insist the two are different. Either way, you do seem to accept that free speech can indeed result in violence - hence your ham-fisted attempt at using the nail analogy as a way of warning against blaming free speech for any negative consequences that may result.

But that is not what my question is about. I am not attempting to de-legitimize the principle of free speech. The question is about your position FD - because as it currently stands, it is contradictory and nonsensical: that free speech cannot be incitement to violence, yet on the same token, it can lead to violence. Please square that circle for me. If a public figure calls on cartoonists to be killed - and lo and behold, the next day a whole bunch of cartoonists are killed, the killers citing their inspiration from the speech of said public figure. Apparently that is not incitement by your definition - correct? You would just dismiss this as a legitimate right to argue the case for capital punishment for cartoonists. And yet it very clearly "incited" people to act upon what he said - whether he meant for that to happen or not.

You can start by explaining where the line between incitement and free speech exists. Because I do accept that it is possible for (legitimate) speech to be misconstrued and abused, and where any violence that ensues should not be understood as incitement. Yet, you surely cannot disagree that there is such a thing as 'incitement' that is outside the bounds of 'fire in the theatre' type speech that you seem to restrict it to. But this does, unfortunately for you, mean that you would need to walk back on your previous claim that "hate speech that leads to violence" cannot be 'incitement to violence'

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Reply #166 - Oct 7th, 2022 at 10:46am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 7th, 2022 at 10:07am:
up to this point we were having an adult discussion


No adult in their right mind follows Islam

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simply repeating the nail analogy that I made perfectly clear that I did not understand


Because you keep thinking of it as an analogy and trying to second guess where your own thoughts will lead you if you give an honest answer. Think of it instead as an apprentice who erred in making a nail, one later consequence of which was the loss of a kingdom. I am happy to copy and paste the whole proverb if it helps.

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Reply #168 - Oct 17th, 2022 at 12:52pm
 
the apprentice and the nail are obviously analogies FD.

You wouldn't have brought it up if they weren't.

Lets try a different tact, shall we? What does it mean if I answer "yes" and what does it mean if I answer "no" - in relation to my actual question?

But feel free to just repeat and/or copy and paste the analogy again if you really are determined not to have an adult conversation.
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Reply #169 - Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:18am
 
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Lets try a different tact, shall we? What does it mean if I answer "yes" and what does it mean if I answer "no" - in relation to my actual question?


One would suggest you don't get the principle, one would suggest you do.

Why are you afraid to answer the question?
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Reply #170 - Oct 18th, 2022 at 10:14am
 
I can't answer the question FD, because I don't understand it. I've only said that about 10 times already.

You've also forgotton whatever point it was you were trying to make. I went to the trouble of explaining that to you - pointing out what I was actually asking, and how you are singularly failed to answer. For reference, this was my latest effort:

Quote:
freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 8:42pm:
Perhaps you could give some contexts in which the answer is different?

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom?


You have clearly forgotton the context, as you are too busy being inane.

Here's a reminder:

freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
Quote:
What do you mean by "inciting violence"?


Not "hate speech that can lead to violence".


after which...

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2022 at 12:01pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2022 at 6:24pm:
Not "hate speech that can lead to violence".


why not? Why bother splitting hairs? - if it *DOES* lead to violence, then it is inciting violence - no?


Quote:
For want of a nail.


up to this point we were having an adult discussion. From here though you went into pre-school mode - simply repeating the nail analogy that I made perfectly clear that I did not understand. Despite repeated pleas to explain it within the above context of free speech and incitement, you decided to play stupid pre-school games.

But since you ask, that is the context.

The problem for me FD is that you never adequately explained the difference between "hate speech that leads to violence" and "inciting violence" - even though you insist the two are different. Either way, you do seem to accept that free speech can indeed result in violence - hence your ham-fisted attempt at using the nail analogy as a way of warning against blaming free speech for any negative consequences that may result.

But that is not what my question is about. I am not attempting to de-legitimize the principle of free speech. The question is about your position FD - because as it currently stands, it is contradictory and nonsensical: that free speech cannot be incitement to violence, yet on the same token, it can lead to violence. Please square that circle for me. If a public figure calls on cartoonists to be killed - and lo and behold, the next day a whole bunch of cartoonists are killed, the killers citing their inspiration from the speech of said public figure. Apparently that is not incitement by your definition - correct? You would just dismiss this as a legitimate right to argue the case for capital punishment for cartoonists. And yet it very clearly "incited" people to act upon what he said - whether he meant for that to happen or not.

You can start by explaining where the line between incitement and free speech exists. Because I do accept that it is possible for (legitimate) speech to be misconstrued and abused, and where any violence that ensues should not be understood as incitement. Yet, you surely cannot disagree that there is such a thing as 'incitement' that is outside the bounds of 'fire in the theatre' type speech that you seem to restrict it to. But this does, unfortunately for you, mean that you would need to walk back on your previous claim that "hate speech that leads to violence" cannot be 'incitement to violence'


You have repeatedly ignored these patient attempts to get a grown-up response from you. Why are you afraid to do that FD?
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Reply #171 - Oct 18th, 2022 at 12:14pm
 
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I can't answer the question FD, because I don't understand it.


You understand the question just fine. The only thing you are getting hung up on is what either of us might say after you answer it.
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Reply #172 - Oct 18th, 2022 at 1:48pm
 
who is the nail in your analogy FD? Who is the apprentice? I'll give you a hint - its got something to do with hate speech and incitement to violence, and your contradictory position on it. A position I have gone to great pains to spell out to you.

And before you say it - yes it is an analogy.

Here's how I interpret the analogy:

Should the apprentice who erred in making the nail be held liable for the loss of the kingdom? = should the necessary right of free speech be held liable for bad things that might happen because of it - like violence?

Just a simple confirmation that this is the analogy you meant would be a great start - or maybe I am getting something wrong? Unfortunately though, the problem with using this analogy as your answer to my question - is that it doesn't actually answer my question - as I have already pointed out in great detail - ad-infinitum.
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Reply #173 - Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:02pm
 
The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia?

Easy - just ask Muslims to redact all the parts of their Koran which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.


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Reply #174 - Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:33pm
 

gandalf,

Q.
Why don't moslems like living in Syria ?


...in Lebanon ?

...in Somalia ?

...in Iraq ?

...in Egypt ?

...in Tunisia ?

...in Libya ?

...in Pakistan ?

...and on, and on.


It isn't a trick question.

But has it got something to do with the fact the >> wherever << followers of ISLAM live, every individual moslem, [as child] reads his Koran and the Hadith [studies, ISLAMIC religious doctrine], and by the time that adulthood comes upon him,
this young person has determined that only his own understanding of Allah's will, can be the correct one ?
....i.e. from his mothers knee, he has read the Koran, to better understand Allah's will.

And so, the moslem decides that, to indeed be a good moslem, his obligation in life, is to obey Allah.

And he knows what Allah commands, regarding the correct way of the promotion of Allah's perfect religion.



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THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


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ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....


"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06







EXAMPLE, CONSEQUENCE; of young formative minds following [being exposed to] ISLAMIC 'religious doctrine'.

-------- >

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
......


WE SEE, EVIDENCE, THAT IN AUSTRALIA, MOSLEM CHILDREN, IN MANY MOSLEM HOMES, ARE BEING TAUGHT
'HOW TO PRACTICE ISLAM',
AND FROM CHILDHOOD, ARE BEING URGED TO DEVELOP THE DESIRE TO BECOME AN ISLAMIC MARTYR ------ >



And of course, moslems in Australia, will vehemently reject such an accusation,
.....coming from a person, another Australian, who is not a follower of ISLAM.

But can such 'rejections', from the local moslem community be sustained ?



------ >


15-year-old gunman, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar
.....follower of ISLAM.


n.b.
Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar went to a meeting at his local mosque, to be given the pistol there.



------ >

IMAGE...
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Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar outside Parramatta police headquarters


QUESTION;
What 'set off' Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar on that fateful day, to decide to murder Australian Curtis Cheng in Parramatta, NSW ???

ANSWER;
ONLY ALLAH KNOWS!



n.b.
ISLAMIC culture encouraged Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, to murder Australian Curtis Cheng.




Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar was inspired by ISLAM's imperative, which urged him TO KILL THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH.




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Reply #175 - Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm
 
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
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Reply #176 - Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.
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Reply #177 - Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:43pm
 
The best way is by showing that there is absolutely nothing wrong with fearing and opposing Islam.

That way the weaselly misnomer "Islamophobia" is defeated.


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Reply #178 - Oct 18th, 2022 at 5:45pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:43pm:

The best way is by showing that there is absolutely nothing wrong with fearing and opposing Islam.

That way      the weaselly misnomer     "Islamophobia" is defeated.


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"The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name."

- Confucius

Q.
So why are we, as a society, so, so afraid, to do so ???

So afraid, to contradict and disagree with   the HIVE MIND,   the WOKE,   the PC majority.




ISLAM ?

Human history itself, attests that ISLAM is a philosophy which has encouraged and condoned the oppression and murder of millions, and millions of human beings, who came into contact with the followers of ISLAM.

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WWW search....
islam kill "2 million Christians", sudan, since 1983
.....BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM


WWW search....
islam jihad into india killed 80 million
.....BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM


WWW search....
islam has massacred over 669+ million non-muslims since 622AD
.....BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM


WWW search....
the people of Afghanistan, were once 100% Buddhist, before they came into contact with ISLAM



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Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.


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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2
Quote:

MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and reject the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever      any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.






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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda



QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?






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These Bible verses are referring to the spirit entity of, 'Wisdom'.

Proverbs 8:34
Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
35  For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36  But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.


There is no such thing, as a spirit entity of, 'Wisdom' ?

No there is not !

Not in the hearts of our nations leaders !


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Reply #179 - Oct 18th, 2022 at 6:17pm
 
Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 5:45pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:43pm:

The best way is by showing that there is absolutely nothing wrong with fearing and opposing Islam.

That way      the weaselly misnomer     "Islamophobia" is defeated.


https://mobile.twitter.com/EvaVlaar/status/1582040827135610880





"The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name."

- Confucius

Q.
So why are we, as a society, so, so afraid, to do so ???

So afraid, to contradict and disagree with   the HIVE MIND,   the WOKE,   the PC majority.




ISLAM ?

Human history itself, attests that ISLAM is a philosophy which has encouraged and condoned the oppression and murder of millions, and millions of human beings, who came into contact with the followers of ISLAM.

------- >

WWW search....
islam kill "2 million Christians", sudan, since 1983
.....BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM


WWW search....
islam jihad into india killed 80 million
.....BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM


WWW search....
islam has massacred over 669+ million non-muslims since 622AD
.....BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM


WWW search....
the people of Afghanistan, were once 100% Buddhist, before they came into contact with ISLAM



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Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.


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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2
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MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and reject the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever      any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.






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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda



QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?






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These Bible verses are referring to the spirit entity of, 'Wisdom'.

Proverbs 8:34
Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
35  For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36  But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.


There is no such thing, as a spirit entity of, 'Wisdom' ?

No there is not !

Not in the hearts of our nations leaders !





Dear Yadda,
Today's word is - redundancy.
https://grammarist.com/redundancies/

Also, it was Evelyn Waugh, I think, who said (I quote from memory), 'a bore is someone who leaves out no detail'.
Worth studying.


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Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
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Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


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The best way is by showing that there is absolutely nothing wrong with fearing and opposing Islam.


There is nothing wrong, Soren, with opposing Islam, except you oppose all Islam, good and bad, together.  When you admit that there is good you might be able to figure the bad.  There is good and bad in all religions, including Christianity.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?

C'mon, you have a Doktorate in Resentment, you should know.

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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Yes - this needs to be redacted:


Deut 13:    KJV

13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city,
and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.


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Dear Yadda,

Today's word is - redundancy.
https://grammarist.com/redundancies/

Also, it was Evelyn Waugh, I think, who said (I quote from memory), 'a bore is someone who leaves out no detail'.
Worth studying.


Content = A
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Dear Frank,

I've been posting on OzPol for > 12 yrs....

...so you ought to have learned by now.....

Yadda [voluminous posts] = = incorrigible   



bobby knows. !


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Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?

C'mon, you have a Doktorate in Resentment, you should know.


If the New Testament replaced the Old Testament, then their should be no more editions of The Bible containing the Old Testament, Soren.  The Old is still used in Christianity, it has not been replaced.   The Old Testament is still a core part of Christianities' teachings - all of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian,
do you agree with Deut 13:    KJV
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Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Yes - this needs to be redacted:


Deut 13:    KJV

13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city,
and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.


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Careful bobby.   [....if you do respect God's authority]

Do you remember there was someone in the N.T. who was called Jesus ?

In the four Gospels, Jesus continually praised God's word, and quoted again, and again, from 'the scriptures'.


e.g.
"....And he said unto him, If they hear not      Moses and the prophets,     neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31



And Paul said.....

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And Paul was not talking about the N.T.



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Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 9:56pm:
Careful bobby.   [....if you do respect God's authority]

Do you remember there was someone in the N.T. who was called Jesus ?

In the four Gospels, Jesus continually praised God's word, and quoted again, and again, from 'the scriptures'.


e.g.
"....And he said unto him, If they hear not      Moses and the prophets,     neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31



And Paul said.....

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And Paul was not talking about the N.T.




Sorry - Deut 13 was written by a monster.
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 9:40pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?

C'mon, you have a Doktorate in Resentment, you should know.


If the New Testament replaced the Old Testament, then their should be no more editions of The Bible containing the Old Testament, Soren.  The Old is still used in Christianity, it has not been replaced.   The Old Testament is still a core part of Christianities' teachings - all of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



The NT could not have happened without the OT. The Covenant with the Jews (Torah) and the other books of the OT attesting to that covenant were extended to all humanity in the NT and that new covenant was placed on a new footing, a new way of relating God to man. Since the non-covenant parts of the OT are mostly the history of the Jews, it remains instructive, especially since the New covenant was made in the name of a Jew. It would be impossible to understand the NT without knowing the OT.
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Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:
OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?


The problem is the OT has not been superseded, as far as religious Jews are concerned.

Hence the destruction of the Oslo accords by a Jewish fundamentalist no-hoper (with peacemaker Rabin's murder).

And the US Christain Right's ideology - ignoring international law - who build on Jewish "eternal Jerusalem" OT mythology as a presage to the return of Christ.


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thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 1:03pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:
OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?


The problem is the OT has not been superseded, as far as religious Jews are concerned.

Hence the destruction of the Oslo accords by a Jewish fundamentalist no-hoper (with peacemaker Rabin's murder).

And the US Christain Right's ideology - ignoring international law - who build on Jewish "eternal Jerusalem" OT mythology as a presage to the return of Christ.



Cheesy Cheesy
So now the problems of the world come from the Jews staying Jewish 2000 years ago.

So you, Polly.

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Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 2:55pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 1:03pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:
OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?


The problem is the OT has not been superseded, as far as religious Jews are concerned.

Hence the destruction of the Oslo accords by a Jewish fundamentalist no-hoper (with peacemaker Rabin's murder).

And the US Christain Right's ideology - ignoring international law - who build on Jewish "eternal Jerusalem" OT mythology as a presage to the return of Christ.



Cheesy Cheesy
So now the problems of the world come from the Jews staying Jewish 2000 years ago.


No, some problems in the world come from claims of scripture, including the Jewish OT, being the Word of God. 

And of course, today we see the dummy RW ideologue Dutton getting his knickers in a knot because the ALP dared to revert to international law re status of Jerusalem.




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Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 10:56am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 9:40pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?

C'mon, you have a Doktorate in Resentment, you should know.


If the New Testament replaced the Old Testament, then their should be no more editions of The Bible containing the Old Testament, Soren.  The Old is still used in Christianity, it has not been replaced.   The Old Testament is still a core part of Christianities' teachings - all of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The NT could not have happened without the OT. The Covenant with the Jews (Torah) and the other books of the OT attesting to that covenant were extended to all humanity in the NT and that new covenant was placed on a new footing, a new way of relating God to man. Since the non-covenant parts of the OT are mostly the history of the Jews, it remains instructive, especially since the New covenant was made in the name of a Jew. It would be impossible to understand the NT without knowing the OT.


The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?


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Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GCwAAOSwQMxdjxqv/s-l500.jpg


They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...
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So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?


They should both be ignored.

They are both greatest hits of fairy stories.
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Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 10:56am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 9:40pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?

C'mon, you have a Doktorate in Resentment, you should know.


If the New Testament replaced the Old Testament, then their should be no more editions of The Bible containing the Old Testament, Soren.  The Old is still used in Christianity, it has not been replaced.   The Old Testament is still a core part of Christianities' teachings - all of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The NT could not have happened without the OT. The Covenant with the Jews (Torah) and the other books of the OT attesting to that covenant were extended to all humanity in the NT and that new covenant was placed on a new footing, a new way of relating God to man. Since the non-covenant parts of the OT are mostly the history of the Jews, it remains instructive, especially since the New covenant was made in the name of a Jew. It would be impossible to understand the NT without knowing the OT.


The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You are lying, knowingly. Soooo Bbwianesque.  History is not instruction, cockwomble.

Is this 'instructions' for eternal slaughter of the French, ya moron?


This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say ‘To-morrow is Saint Crispian:’
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say ‘These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.’
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he’ll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember’d.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember’d;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.



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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 4:43pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GCwAAOSwQMxdjxqv/s-l500.jpg


They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...



Bollocks, of course. You dont edit the eternal, unchangeable word of Allah.
Every mail order doktor of divining knows that except you, cockwomble.


I am amazed how freely you reveal your stupdity, Bbwian. It almost looks like bravery. It's idiocy paraded.



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Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Reply #199 - Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:43pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:01pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 10:56am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 9:40pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
The Best Way to Combat Christophobia?

Easy - just ask Christians to redact all the parts of their Bible which promote violence.

You know -
a big black texter mark over all those violent passages.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Sure - we can do that -
most of the OT would be redacted especially Deuteronomy.


An admission, Bobby!  Well done!  You are the first Christian, apart from the Pope to admit there is a problem with the Bible.  Now, what are you going to do about it?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

OLD Testament - NEW Testament.

What do you think the point was to have a NEW Testament, Bbwian?? What has the NEW Testament superseded?

C'mon, you have a Doktorate in Resentment, you should know.


If the New Testament replaced the Old Testament, then their should be no more editions of The Bible containing the Old Testament, Soren.  The Old is still used in Christianity, it has not been replaced.   The Old Testament is still a core part of Christianities' teachings - all of it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The NT could not have happened without the OT. The Covenant with the Jews (Torah) and the other books of the OT attesting to that covenant were extended to all humanity in the NT and that new covenant was placed on a new footing, a new way of relating God to man. Since the non-covenant parts of the OT are mostly the history of the Jews, it remains instructive, especially since the New covenant was made in the name of a Jew. It would be impossible to understand the NT without knowing the OT.


The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You are lying, knowingly. Soooo Bbwianesque.  History is not instruction, cockwomble.

Is this 'instructions' for eternal slaughter of the French, ya moron?


This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say ‘To-morrow is Saint Crispian:’
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say ‘These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.’
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he’ll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember’d.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember’d;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.


I wasn't aware that Shakespeare wrote the Bible, Soren.  You do understand the difference between holy writ and a play, I hope?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: The Best Way to Combat Islamophobia
Reply #200 - Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:45pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 4:43pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GCwAAOSwQMxdjxqv/s-l500.jpg


They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...


Bollocks, of course. You dont edit the eternal, unchangeable word of Allah.
Every mail order doktor of divining knows that except you, cockwomble.

I am amazed how freely you reveal your stupdity, Bbwian. It almost looks like bravery. It's idiocy paraded.



The Koran and the Bible have been edited heavily through the ages, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #201 - Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:50pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:45pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 4:43pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GCwAAOSwQMxdjxqv/s-l500.jpg


They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...


Bollocks, of course. You dont edit the eternal, unchangeable word of Allah.
Every mail order doktor of divining knows that except you, cockwomble.

I am amazed how freely you reveal your stupdity, Bbwian. It almost looks like bravery. It's idiocy paraded.



The Koran and the Bible have been edited heavily through the ages, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Say that to the excitable sons of Mohammed, Bbwian.

Go on.

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Reply #202 - Oct 19th, 2022 at 8:19pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:45pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 4:43pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GCwAAOSwQMxdjxqv/s-l500.jpg


They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...


Bollocks, of course. You dont edit the eternal, unchangeable word of Allah.
Every mail order doktor of divining knows that except you, cockwomble.

I am amazed how freely you reveal your stupdity, Bbwian. It almost looks like bravery. It's idiocy paraded.


The Koran and the Bible have been edited heavily through the ages, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Say that to the excitable sons of Mohammed, Bbwian.

Go on.


From whom do you think I first learnt the fact from, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #203 - Oct 19th, 2022 at 8:25pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 8:19pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:45pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 7:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 4:43pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GCwAAOSwQMxdjxqv/s-l500.jpg


They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...


Bollocks, of course. You dont edit the eternal, unchangeable word of Allah.
Every mail order doktor of divining knows that except you, cockwomble.

I am amazed how freely you reveal your stupdity, Bbwian. It almost looks like bravery. It's idiocy paraded.


The Koran and the Bible have been edited heavily through the ages, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Say that to the excitable sons of Mohammed, Bbwian.

Go on.


From whom do you think I first learnt the fact from, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
How pompous and preposterous and ludicrous can you be!!!!


AMAZING!!





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Reply #204 - Oct 19th, 2022 at 8:42pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 7:33pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2022 at 4:43pm:
The best way is by showing that there is absolutely nothing wrong with fearing and opposing Islam.


There is nothing wrong, Soren, with opposing Islam, except you oppose all Islam, good and bad, together.  When you admit that there is good you might be able to figure the bad.  There is good and bad in all religions, including Christianity.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

What are the good bits of Islam that you like, Bbwian?

Gissa list.

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Reply #205 - Oct 20th, 2022 at 2:32pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 4:43pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GCwAAOSwQMxdjxqv/s-l500.jpg


They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...



I agree -
then it's settled - go for it:


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Reply #206 - Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:49pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 2:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 4:43pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities, exactly as the Koran does, Soren.  You are advocating the conduct of atrocities.  You are a hypocrite.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



So Brian,
should the Koran and the Bible be redacted?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GCwAAOSwQMxdjxqv/s-l500.jpg


They both have been edited in the past, there is no reason why they couldn't be again...


I agree -
then it's settled - go for it:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GCwAAOSwQMxdjxqv/s-l500.jpg


You first, Bobby.  Afterall you're a believer so stop quoting the flawed work...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #207 - Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities,

No, it doesn't.
It records history.

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Reply #208 - Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:17am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities,

No, it doesn't.
It records history.



Not only are they commands from God, the OT also quite clearly describes massacres of innocents as expressions of devotion and faith.

And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she ohid the messengers whom we sent.
Joshua 6:17

But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction
Deuteronomy 20:16–17

Moreover, the Israelites are criticized as disobedient when they didn't carry out genocide (Psalm 106:34–42)
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Reply #209 - Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:35am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:17am:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities,

No, it doesn't.
It records history.



Not only are they commands from God, the OT also quite clearly describes massacres of innocents as expressions of devotion and faith.

And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she ohid the messengers whom we sent.
Joshua 6:17

But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction
Deuteronomy 20:16–17

Moreover, the Israelites are criticized as disobedient when they didn't carry out genocide (Psalm 106:34–42)



Fair enough Gandalf -
all that violence should be redacted from the Bible -

now what about the Koran?
any suggestions for  some violent passages to be redacted?
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Reply #210 - Oct 21st, 2022 at 9:12am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:17am:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities,

No, it doesn't.
It records history.



Not only are they commands from God, the OT also quite clearly describes massacres of innocents as expressions of devotion and faith.

And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she ohid the messengers whom we sent.
Joshua 6:17

But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction
Deuteronomy 20:16–17

Moreover, the Israelites are criticized as disobedient when they didn't carry out genocide (Psalm 106:34–42)

History.  Not instructions for present conduct.

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Reply #211 - Oct 21st, 2022 at 9:28am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 9:12am:
History.  Not instructions for present conduct.




Wasn't it a bit violent?

Let's redact it.

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Reply #212 - Oct 21st, 2022 at 9:44am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:17am:


Moreover, the Israelites are criticized as disobedient when they didn't carry out genocide (Psalm 106:34–42)






"......criticized as disobedient when they didn't carry out genocide"





What you assert, is ABSOLUTELY incorrect gandalf.

Dathan and Abiram [and their families] were destroyed   >> DIRECTLY by the God of Israel, <<   in the wilderness, AND, not because they refused or complained about killing anyone.

>>>  Dathan and Abiram were destroyed because they sought to provoke a rebellion against Moses and Aaron.  <<<

And the bible records, that Dathan and Abiram [and their families] were destroyed DIRECTLY by the God of Israel.


Read this story,      this chronicle,      directly in the bible.


Numbers 16......

"Now Korah, the son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, and Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab, and On, the son of Peleth, sons of Reuben, took men:.....
.....And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?"


"And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do all these works; for I have not done them of mine own mind.
If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the visitation of all men; then the LORD hath not sent me.
But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD."



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Hey gandalf.......

"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God."





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Reply #213 - Oct 21st, 2022 at 10:16am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:17am:

Not only are they commands from God, the OT also quite clearly describes massacres of innocents as expressions of devotion and faith.


And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she ohid the messengers whom we sent.
Joshua 6:17

But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction
Deuteronomy 20:16–17






gandalf,

The God of Israel brought harsh punishment ?

YES?     ABSOLUTELY.

But the judgement of the God of Israel is/was justified.




Because the peoples of all those nations had for many years 'polluted the land' with the blood of innocent persons, including children.

And the complete wickedness of the people of those nations, was the reason why, the God of Israel, wanted everything belonging to those people, those murderers, destroyed.

This fact, is stated and explained in the bible.

If you will but read it.

All of the JUDGEMENTS, of God of Israel, are done in righteousness.

And the of God of Israel is not a monster.        ......as one poster on this forum recently 'presumed'.


Numbers 35:30
Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die.
31  Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death.
32  And ye shall take no satisfaction for him that is fled to the city of his refuge, that he should come again to dwell in the land, until the death of the priest.
33  So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.
34  Defile not therefore the land which ye shall inhabit, wherein I dwell: for I the LORD dwell among the children of Israel.


Deuteronomy 9:3
Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.
4  Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.


Deuteronomy 12:28
Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the LORD thy God.
29  When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
30  Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
31  Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

32  What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.



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"Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night."




Psalms 111:6
He hath shewed his people the power of his works, that he may give them the heritage of the heathen.
7  The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.
8  They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.

9  He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
10  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.


Proverbs 28:5
Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.





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Reply #214 - Oct 21st, 2022 at 10:47am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities,

No, it doesn't.
It records history.


Yes, and how Yahweh - eternal God of the Jews - authorized the genocide of '7 nations mightier than thou' (Israel), during the conquest of 'The Promised Land', c. 1300 -1100 BC. 

So ...has Yahweh changed his spots?

If so, I suppose the amputations and crucifixions ordered by Allah as punishment for infidels and criminals, according to the Islamic Prophet in the 7th century AD, might also be considered as subject to change....



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Reply #215 - Oct 23rd, 2022 at 1:30pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:17am:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2022 at 3:47pm:
The Old Testament instructs believers to conduct atrocities,

No, it doesn't.
It records history.



Not only are they commands from God, the OT also quite clearly describes massacres of innocents as expressions of devotion and faith.

And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she ohid the messengers whom we sent.
Joshua 6:17

But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction
Deuteronomy 20:16–17

Moreover, the Israelites are criticized as disobedient when they didn't carry out genocide (Psalm 106:34–42)


Gandalf, can you cite any religious text that promotes ongoing violence more than the Quran?
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