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FD, have you ever admitted when you've been wrong?
Nov 30th, 2020 at 5:55pm
 
[This was commenced in General and moved here by Setanta on the night of the 4th December, 2020.  Mod.]



G'day FD,

Have you ever admitted when you've been wrong on this Forum?

If so, please provide examples of when you've admitted you've been wrong, and what points you were wrong about.
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Reply #1 - Nov 30th, 2020 at 5:58pm
 
Auggie, he doesn't answer questions.  He just asks them.  Which is why I never answer his, until he answers mine.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #2 - Nov 30th, 2020 at 8:46pm
 
FD, have you ever admitted when you've been wrong?


Grin Grin Grin


Fd is never wrong ... it's just everyone else that is lying  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #3 - Nov 30th, 2020 at 9:25pm
 
I once conceded that it is theoretically possible for me to be wrong. Gandalf took this as an admission that I was lying about something. Forget what. He went on about it for quite some time though.
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Reply #4 - Nov 30th, 2020 at 9:46pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 30th, 2020 at 9:25pm:
I once conceded that it is theoretically possible for me to be wrong. Gandalf took this as an admission that I was lying about something. Forget what. He went on about it for quite some time though.



It's the doctrine of the infallibility of Freediver.

He's a bit like the Pope -
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Reply #5 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:15am
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 30th, 2020 at 9:46pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 30th, 2020 at 9:25pm:
I once conceded that it is theoretically possible for me to be wrong. Gandalf took this as an admission that I was lying about something. Forget what. He went on about it for quite some time though.



It's the doctrine of the infallibility of Freediver.

He's a bit like the Pope -
he's preserved from the possibility of error.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility


In his mind...... & it appears maybe in yours? Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:16am
 
Auggie wrote on Nov 30th, 2020 at 5:55pm:
G'day FD,

Have you ever admitted when you've been wrong on this Forum?

If so, please provide examples of when you've admitted you've been wrong, and what points you were wrong about.



Grin Grin Best of luck with that.
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Reply #7 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:19am
 
Somebody has to be right all the time.
Might as well be the boss.

I on the other hand, seek to be wrong and apologise often.
It's when I'm right, that I seem to annoy everyone.  Cheesy
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JaSin. wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:19am:
Somebody has to be right all the time.
Might as well be the boss.

I on the other hand, seek to be wrong and apologise often.
It's when I'm right, that I seem to annoy everyone.  Cheesy

 
Grin Sycophant - no wonder you've never been in a Union.(scab)

I don't think anyone here has ever been annoyed with you for being right.  Grin

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Reply #9 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:34am
 
No.
FD's Forum. FD is Boss.
I don't like it. I go form my own Forum.

Don't like your Employer?
Go start your own Business.

While you're joining a Union.
I'm starting my own Business.
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Reply #10 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:41am
 
arent we all selective correct in our own minds... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

fd is a lefty and it is their god given right to be always right no matter what.

they dont care what anyone else thinks... Wink Wink
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Reply #11 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:46am
 
They've been thinking FD is a Jehovah's Witness since 2007.
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cods wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:41am:
arent we all selective correct in our own minds... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

fd is a lefty and it is their god given right to be always right no matter what.

they dont care what anyone else thinks... Wink Wink


Um, OK then.

A "lefty" who starts thread after thread decrying the Union movement. A "Lefty" who decries Superannuation. One whose posts are very much "pro business" and "pro free market".

No, I think it's more you having an issue with "the left", and in typically binary fashion conflates someone who always believes they are "right", with the hated "left".

You could say that FD is a "right", who always thinks he's "right"?

Question:

Can two "rights" make a "wrong"?
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Reply #13 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:55am
 
Mix_Master wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:51am:
cods wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:41am:
arent we all selective correct in our own minds... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

fd is a lefty and it is their god given right to be always right no matter what.

they dont care what anyone else thinks... Wink Wink


Um, OK then.

A "lefty" who starts thread after thread decrying the Union movement. A "Lefty" who decries Superannuation. One whose posts are very much "pro business" and "pro free market".

No, I think it's more you having an issue with "the left", and in typically binary fashion conflates someone who always believes they are "right", with the hated "left".

You could say that FD is a "right", who always thinks he's "right"?

Question:

Can two "rights" make a "wrong"?




well he was a greenie in the early days.....and they are very much in the left boat... dont you agree.?


btw he is also a stirrer...
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Reply #16 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 9:07am
 
Everyone is right all the time - I'm positive in my own judgement on that!!

Are we talking core or non-core correct here?  Maybe they should all just go out and get a good correctness...... avter orl, der gorrect egonomy iss boomink unter der Liperal Kovernment vile I vly aboud Europe ad your egspence!  Now zmoke your zigar!!
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Reply #17 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 9:08am
 
JaSin. wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:19am:
Somebody has to be right all the time.
Might as well be the boss.

I on the other hand, seek to be wrong and apologise often.
It's when I'm right, that I seem to annoy everyone.  Cheesy



Ummmmmmm................................ yes!
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Monk, Aussie, Smith and Peccary want to take over the Forum from FD. Usurpers!  Grin
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JaSin. wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 9:11am:
Monk, Aussie, Smith and Peccary want to take over the Forum from FD. Usurpers!  Grin


Well - we surpers won't take that!!


Word for today - surper (proper n).

Either you or me or some other who wishes to surp the authority of the Big Man On The Block; (alt) someone who can't eat soup without sound....

You Surper - often used as a term of derision and denouncement.  e.g. you bloody surper!!!
Me Surper (not to be confused with Middle East surpers) - when 'I' wish to take over the reins of discussion and run it my way (we just want to do things our way, eh?). 
We Surpers - a gaggle of surpers.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody sees if flatten a car, could it be said this was trees on?  Do a Google usurp on that...

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Reply #21 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 9:24am
 
Apparently I'm a sycophant for not trying to tear the Boss down.  Roll Eyes John Smith the Union Rep wants money from Members to make FD spend more of his money on this Forum - the way John Smith likes it to be, being a Union Rep.
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JaSin. wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:19am:
Somebody has to be right all the time.
Might as well be the boss.

I on the other hand, seek to be wrong and apologise often.
It's when I'm right, that I seem to annoy everyone.  Cheesy


Meaning what, exactly?

That you need to apologise more, and you are not annoying people as much as you should be?
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Mix_Master wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 9:48am:
JaSin. wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:19am:
Somebody has to be right all the time.
Might as well be the boss.

I on the other hand, seek to be wrong and apologise often.
It's when I'm right, that I seem to annoy everyone.  Cheesy


Meaning what, exactly?

That you need to apologise more, and you are not annoying people as much as you should be?

Grin funny
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freediver wrote on Nov 30th, 2020 at 9:25pm:
I once conceded that it is theoretically possible for me to be wrong. Gandalf took this as an admission that I was lying about something. Forget what. He went on about it for quite some time though.


The context:

Taking stereotyping and the 'othering' process to a whole new level, FD made the bold claim that "all muslims support genocide"

FD came up with the impeccable logic that the claim is simultaneously both "true" and "theoretically wrong".

His rationale seemed to have been "its true while ever you can't disprove it"

FD logic at its finest.
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cods wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:55am:
well he was a greenie in the early days.....and they are very much in the left boat... dont you agree.?


Only because the idiocy of identity politics deems it so.

The need for action on climate change is a simple matter of scientific fact. Its about our very survival as a species. Grandstanding against it just to 'stick it to the lefties/greenies' is the height of stupidity.

Credit to FD as one of the few remaining free market 'true believers' who actually recognises the need to act on climate change.
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Reply #26 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 1:01pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 12:46pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 30th, 2020 at 9:25pm:
I once conceded that it is theoretically possible for me to be wrong. Gandalf took this as an admission that I was lying about something. Forget what. He went on about it for quite some time though.


The context:

Taking stereotyping and the 'othering' process to a whole new level, FD made the bold claim that "all muslims support genocide"

FD came up with the impeccable logic that the claim is simultaneously both "true" and "theoretically wrong".

His rationale seemed to have been "its true while ever you can't disprove it"

FD logic at its finest.


Sounds more like feminism to me - although it's more usual to see 'wrong' but 'theoretically true'...... you know ... like taking a very wide sweep at saying 'women are forced into heterosexual relationships' (yardle) but that somehow doesn't imply that their natural state is in 'other than heterosexual relationships'.... well double plus yardle....

... or like saying that while women are paid the same hourly rate as men for the same job etc - and then some given their extra perks - women still are paid less than men...... yardle yardle double triple plus yardle...

Easy meat on a quiet Tuesday....
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Reply #27 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 1:12pm
 
there really isnt much point in admitting error on the internet.

in face to face communications , the nuance is possible but online , people dont get any ackowledgment for admitting error and especially not for apologising.

in fact, the haters will just use an admission of error as an excuse to "pile on".

its why the internet is a force of polarisation.

what would help would be if , the more people posted, the more they were sent commentary that disagreed with them

but facebook twtter google and youtube do the exact opposite, they want you in an echo chamber where everyone agrees with you because that feels nice and who doesnt want to feel nice.

its why , when trump won the 2016 election, many of the intellectuals on twitter were dumbfounded.
they would say things like "i have 10,000 followers and not one of them voted for trump" Grin Grin

and if 10,000 people agree with you , then you are probably unlikely to admit you were "wrong'.
so your brain makes up some story about russiand collusion to keep it from frying.

the same thing is happening to trump supporters this time round.
they only know and interact with 10,000 other trump supporters online.
so their brain has to make up a story about election rigging.

at least freedivers forum does not divide everyone off into little cults.


imagine gweg and smith and the marsupial and karnal just talking to each other for weeks on end.  they are deranged already but such a scenario would make them much worse. we of the noble right , have a duty to try to educate them out of their "ideological possession"
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aquascoot wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 1:12pm:
there really isnt much point in admitting error on the internet.

in face to face communications , the nuance is possible but online , people dont get any ackowledgment for admitting error and especially not for apologising.

in fact, the haters will just use an admission of error as an excuse to "pile on".

its why the internet is a force of polarisation.

what would help would be if , the more people posted, the more they were sent commentary that disagreed with them

but facebook twtter google and youtube do the exact opposite, they want you in an echo chamber where everyone agrees with you because that feels nice and who doesnt want to feel nice.

its why , when trump won the 2016 election, many of the intellectuals on twitter were dumbfounded.
they would say things like "i have 10,000 followers and not one of them voted for trump" Grin Grin

and if 10,000 people agree with you , then you are probably unlikely to admit you were "wrong'.
so your brain makes up some story about russiand collusion to keep it from frying.

the same thing is happening to trump supporters this time round.
they only know and interact with 10,000 other trump supporters online.
so their brain has to make up a story about election rigging.

at least freedivers forum does not divide everyone off into little cults.


imagine gweg and smith and the marsupial and karnal just talking to each other for weeks on end.  they are deranged already but such a scenario would make them much worse. we of the noble right , have a duty to try to educate them out of their "ideological possession"


This already happens, in practice.

I mean, think about it this way...

The more you post, the more posts which disagree with you magically "appear".

In years to come, the social scientists will label it "the aquascoot phenomenon".
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Reply #29 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:39pm
 
Mix_Master wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:51am:
cods wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:41am:
arent we all selective correct in our own minds... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

fd is a lefty and it is their god given right to be always right no matter what.

they dont care what anyone else thinks... Wink Wink


Um, OK then.

A "lefty" who starts thread after thread decrying the Union movement. A "Lefty" who decries Superannuation. One whose posts are very much "pro business" and "pro free market".

No, I think it's more you having an issue with "the left", and in typically binary fashion conflates someone who always believes they are "right", with the hated "left".

You could say that FD is a "right", who always thinks he's "right"?

Question:

Can two "rights" make a "wrong"?


Cods is right. I am a lefty. All of those positions are well founded in traditional left wing principles.
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Reply #30 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:40pm
 
Mix_Master wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:51am:
cods wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:41am:
arent we all selective correct in our own minds... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

fd is a lefty and it is their god given right to be always right no matter what.

they dont care what anyone else thinks... Wink Wink


Um, OK then.

A "lefty" who starts thread after thread decrying the Union movement. A "Lefty" who decries Superannuation. One whose posts are very much "pro business" and "pro free market".

No, I think it's more you having an issue with "the left", and in typically binary fashion conflates someone who always believes they are "right", with the hated "left".

You could say that FD is a "right", who always thinks he's "right"?

Question:

Can two "rights" make a "wrong"?


I am a lefty. All of those positions are well founded in traditional left wing principles.

Of course, I am also right. So is Cods.
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Reply #31 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 8:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:40pm:
Mix_Master wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:51am:
cods wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:41am:
arent we all selective correct in our own minds... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

fd is a lefty and it is their god given right to be always right no matter what.

they dont care what anyone else thinks... Wink Wink


Um, OK then.

A "lefty" who starts thread after thread decrying the Union movement. A "Lefty" who decries Superannuation. One whose posts are very much "pro business" and "pro free market".

No, I think it's more you having an issue with "the left", and in typically binary fashion conflates someone who always believes they are "right", with the hated "left".

You could say that FD is a "right", who always thinks he's "right"?

Question:

Can two "rights" make a "wrong"?


I am a lefty. All of those positions are well founded in traditional left wing principles.

Of course, I am also right. So is Cods.



I will take a bow......like fd I am always right! Smiley Smiley
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Reply #32 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 9:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:40pm:
Mix_Master wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:51am:
cods wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:41am:
arent we all selective correct in our own minds... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

fd is a lefty and it is their god given right to be always right no matter what.

they dont care what anyone else thinks... Wink Wink


Um, OK then.

A "lefty" who starts thread after thread decrying the Union movement. A "Lefty" who decries Superannuation. One whose posts are very much "pro business" and "pro free market".

No, I think it's more you having an issue with "the left", and in typically binary fashion conflates someone who always believes they are "right", with the hated "left".

You could say that FD is a "right", who always thinks he's "right"?

Question:

Can two "rights" make a "wrong"?


I am a lefty. All of those positions are well founded in traditional left wing principles.

Of course, I am also right. So is Cods.


Which left wing principles are those positions founded in?
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Reply #33 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 6:45am
 
JaSin. wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:34am:
No.
FD's Forum. FD is Boss.
I don't like it. I go form my own Forum.

Don't like your Employer?
Go start your own Business.

While you're joining a Union.
I'm starting my own Business.


In your dreams

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Mix_Master wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 9:19pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:40pm:
Mix_Master wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:51am:
cods wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:41am:
arent we all selective correct in our own minds... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

fd is a lefty and it is their god given right to be always right no matter what.

they dont care what anyone else thinks... Wink Wink


Um, OK then.

A "lefty" who starts thread after thread decrying the Union movement. A "Lefty" who decries Superannuation. One whose posts are very much "pro business" and "pro free market".

No, I think it's more you having an issue with "the left", and in typically binary fashion conflates someone who always believes they are "right", with the hated "left".

You could say that FD is a "right", who always thinks he's "right"?

Question:

Can two "rights" make a "wrong"?


I am a lefty. All of those positions are well founded in traditional left wing principles.

Of course, I am also right. So is Cods.


Which left wing principles are those positions founded in?


Take unions for example. They increase inequality, by serving those who are already better off at the expense of everyone else. They constantly try to deny unemployed people the right to work, and if not constantly kept in check would use outright thuggery and intimidation to do so.

On other issues I like to comment on, Muslims are basically Nazis who won (which for some reason makes them entitled to unthinking support from some lefties), and I hope I don't have to explain how carbon taxes are a left wing position, but again some lefties don't like it because it is founded in economic rationalism and they would prefer the government to micromanage this complex transition we are faced with.

Of course, some may want to define left wing as any position founded in ignorance and self delusion, but I don't think that is fair.
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Reply #35 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 10:18am
 
FD you are basically claiming the left as your own, while simultaneously opposing most, if not all, positions that are near-universally held by actual leftists.

You then proceed to promote some the most sanctified of conservative/right wing principles like economic rationalism and anti government micromanagement, somehow thinking these are naturally left wing principles.

Or in other words, you are redifining the left beyond all meaning.

By the way, this bullshit "I'm the real pro-working class because I oppose big meany unions etc" rhetoric is just the same BS spouted by conservative/right wing politicians and commentators. The only difference is they don't pretend they are leftys.
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Reply #36 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 11:59am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 10:18am:
FD you are basically claiming the left as your own, while simultaneously opposing most, if not all, positions that are near-universally held by actual leftists.

You then proceed to promote some the most sanctified of conservative/right wing principles like economic rationalism and anti government micromanagement, somehow thinking these are naturally left wing principles.

Or in other words, you are redifining the left beyond all meaning.

By the way, this bullshit "I'm the real pro-working class because I oppose big meany unions etc" rhetoric is just the same BS spouted by conservative/right wing politicians and commentators. The only difference is they don't pretend they are leftys.


I think someone (not you, BTW) is living in "alternate facts land", if they style themselves as "Leftist", and then attack Unions for "promoting inequality."

From a distance it seems as though someone has taken an amalgam of positions they hold, and said "That amalgam is what represents leftist ideals/principles".

Not true, unfortunately.

It would be like me saying "I believe in a proper social safety net, and universal health care, affordable to all!", and then going on to say "And my beliefs are founded in Right Wing maxims..."

I think the reaction would be - rightly - one of  Shocked


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Reply #37 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 1:24pm
 
Mix_Master wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 11:59am:
From a distance it seems as though someone has taken an amalgam of positions they hold, and said "That amalgam is what represents leftist ideals/principles".


Apart from his support for a carbon tax and action on climate in general, FD's repertoire of political posturings are taken pretty much entirely from the right. Both economic and social. And even with the carbon tax/climate action he argues from an economic conservative perspective.
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Reply #38 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 7:11pm
 
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FD you are basically claiming the left as your own


Very slippery of you Gandalf. How about we start with what I am "actually" claiming?
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Reply #39 - Dec 3rd, 2020 at 6:46am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 10:18am:
FD you are basically claiming the left as your own, while simultaneously opposing most, if not all, positions that are near-universally held by actual leftists.

You then proceed to promote some the most sanctified of conservative/right wing principles like economic rationalism and anti government micromanagement, somehow thinking these are naturally left wing principles.

Or in other words, you are redifining the left beyond all meaning.

By the way, this bullshit "I'm the real pro-working class because I oppose big meany unions etc" rhetoric is just the same BS spouted by conservative/right wing politicians and commentators. The only difference is they don't pretend they are leftys.


Does that actually mean you're calling him a liar?  Grin
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Reply #40 - Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:54am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 7:11pm:
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FD you are basically claiming the left as your own


Very slippery of you Gandalf. How about we start with what I am "actually" claiming?


good point FD.

freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:40pm:
I am a lefty. All of those positions are well founded in traditional left wing principles.


Every single one of those positions you talk about are in fact right wing/conservative articles of faith.

Like I said, you redefine the left beyond all meaning.
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Reply #41 - Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:58am
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 3rd, 2020 at 6:46am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 10:18am:
FD you are basically claiming the left as your own, while simultaneously opposing most, if not all, positions that are near-universally held by actual leftists.

You then proceed to promote some the most sanctified of conservative/right wing principles like economic rationalism and anti government micromanagement, somehow thinking these are naturally left wing principles.

Or in other words, you are redifining the left beyond all meaning.

By the way, this bullshit "I'm the real pro-working class because I oppose big meany unions etc" rhetoric is just the same BS spouted by conservative/right wing politicians and commentators. The only difference is they don't pretend they are leftys.


Does that actually mean you're calling him a liar?  Grin


No. I don't give FD that much credit for understanding his own confused ramblings.

FD seems to me quite sincere - sincerely confused.
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In Australian Politics and Military
The positions of PM & G-G will become the 'weakest' links. Both held in place by two other nations: UK & USA 'currently'.  Roll Eyes
Both industries will become weak at the top, strong at the bottom (cops & troops).

Writing (Religion/Spirituality) and all things 'Paperwork' - which Australia has 2/3rds more than any other nation.
...will become, like ART, strong at the top - weak at the bottom.

So is the polite_Gandalf a Jehovah's Witness?
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...this being a Writing Forum. I guess FD is the Master at the Top. Despite the likes of Smith and others to bring him down (tall poppy) and make him 'weak' of position like a PM.
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Reply #44 - Dec 3rd, 2020 at 10:32am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 7:11pm:
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Very slippery of you Gandalf. How about we start with what I am "actually" claiming?


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Reply #45 - Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:13pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:54am:
freediver wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 7:11pm:
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FD you are basically claiming the left as your own


Very slippery of you Gandalf. How about we start with what I am "actually" claiming?


good point FD.

freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:40pm:
I am a lefty. All of those positions are well founded in traditional left wing principles.


Every single one of those positions you talk about are in fact right wing/conservative articles of faith.

Like I said, you redefine the left beyond all meaning.


Is criticising a movement for increasing inequality a right wing article of faith?
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Reply #46 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 12:10pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:54am:
freediver wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 7:11pm:
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FD you are basically claiming the left as your own


Very slippery of you Gandalf. How about we start with what I am "actually" claiming?


good point FD.

freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:40pm:
I am a lefty. All of those positions are well founded in traditional left wing principles.


Every single one of those positions you talk about are in fact right wing/conservative articles of faith.

Like I said, you redefine the left beyond all meaning.


Is criticising a movement for increasing inequality a right wing article of faith?


No.

But pretending unions increase inequality because some baseless and thoroughly debunked Milton Freedman brain fart says so is certainly part of the propaganda war against unions that the right (and you) are so united behind.

And more broadly, incoherent culture-war hand waving that directly flys in the face of clear scientific evidence seems to be a right wing specialty. Though like I said, I do give you credit for bucking this trend in relation to climate change.
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freediver wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 7:11pm:
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FD you are basically claiming the left as your own


Very slippery of you Gandalf. How about we start with what I am "actually" claiming?


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Reply #48 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 7:02pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 12:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:54am:
freediver wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 7:11pm:
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FD you are basically claiming the left as your own


Very slippery of you Gandalf. How about we start with what I am "actually" claiming?


good point FD.

freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:40pm:
I am a lefty. All of those positions are well founded in traditional left wing principles.


Every single one of those positions you talk about are in fact right wing/conservative articles of faith.

Like I said, you redefine the left beyond all meaning.


Is criticising a movement for increasing inequality a right wing article of faith?


No.

But pretending unions increase inequality because some baseless and thoroughly debunked Milton Freedman brain fart says so is certainly part of the propaganda war against unions that the right (and you) are so united behind.

And more broadly, incoherent culture-war hand waving that directly flys in the face of clear scientific evidence seems to be a right wing specialty. Though like I said, I do give you credit for bucking this trend in relation to climate change.


I provided a coherent economic mechanism for this to happen. Your ignorance of economics is not an argument Gandalf. Your inability to figure out whether an economist is contradicting Friedman is not an argument either.
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freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 7:02pm:
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Reply #50 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:28pm
 
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:14pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 7:02pm:
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Probably not something you should laugh too hard about considering your constitutional crisis. Or is it crises of constitutions?

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Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:28pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:14pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 7:02pm:
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Probably not something you should laugh too hard about considering your constitutional crisis. Or is it crises of constitutions?



People often resist innovations they don't understand.
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Reply #52 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 7:02pm:
I provided a coherent economic mechanism for this to happen.



Huh Huh'


You did? I must have blinked Roll Eyes
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Reply #53 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:39pm
 
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:10pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:28pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:14pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 7:02pm:
coherent



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Probably not something you should laugh too hard about considering your constitutional crisis. Or is it crises of constitutions?



People often resist innovations they don't understand.


Yeah, that must be it...
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Reply #54 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:48pm
 
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:39pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:10pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:28pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:14pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 7:02pm:
coherent



Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Probably not something you should laugh too hard about considering your constitutional crisis. Or is it crises of constitutions?



People often resist innovations they don't understand.


Yeah, that must be it...


I distinctly remember you not contributing anything.

Why do you criticize something you know hardly anything about?
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Reply #55 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:57pm
 
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:48pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:39pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:10pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:28pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:14pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 7:02pm:
coherent



Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Probably not something you should laugh too hard about considering your constitutional crisis. Or is it crises of constitutions?



People often resist innovations they don't understand.


Yeah, that must be it...


I distinctly remember you not contributing anything.

Why do you criticize something you know hardly anything about?


I remember many others and myself poking holes in your drafts. Don't be bummed, one day we may say "By George he's got it!" It's just today is not that day.
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Reply #56 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:59pm
 
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:57pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:48pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:39pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:10pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:28pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:14pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 7:02pm:
coherent



Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Probably not something you should laugh too hard about considering your constitutional crisis. Or is it crises of constitutions?



People often resist innovations they don't understand.


Yeah, that must be it...


I distinctly remember you not contributing anything.

Why do you criticize something you know hardly anything about?


I remember many others and myself poking holes in your drafts. Don't be bummed, one day we may say "By George he's got it!" It's just today is not that day.


I don't remember that.

People were like: "The executive? What's that?"
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Reply #57 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 10:00pm
 
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:59pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:57pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:48pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:39pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:10pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:28pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:14pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 7:02pm:
coherent



Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Probably not something you should laugh too hard about considering your constitutional crisis. Or is it crises of constitutions?



People often resist innovations they don't understand.


Yeah, that must be it...


I distinctly remember you not contributing anything.

Why do you criticize something you know hardly anything about?


I remember many others and myself poking holes in your drafts. Don't be bummed, one day we may say "By George he's got it!" It's just today is not that day.


I don't remember that.

People were like: "The executive? What's that?"


Selective memory?
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Reply #58 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 10:03pm
 
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 10:00pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:59pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:57pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:48pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:39pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:10pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:28pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:14pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 7:02pm:
coherent



Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Probably not something you should laugh too hard about considering your constitutional crisis. Or is it crises of constitutions?



People often resist innovations they don't understand.


Yeah, that must be it...


I distinctly remember you not contributing anything.

Why do you criticize something you know hardly anything about?


I remember many others and myself poking holes in your drafts. Don't be bummed, one day we may say "By George he's got it!" It's just today is not that day.


I don't remember that.

People were like: "The executive? What's that?"


Selective memory?


Maybe you're just lying?
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Reply #59 - Dec 4th, 2020 at 10:04pm
 
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 10:03pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 10:00pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:59pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:57pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:48pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:39pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 9:10pm:
Mjölnir wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:28pm:
Auggie wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 8:14pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 7:02pm:
coherent



Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Probably not something you should laugh too hard about considering your constitutional crisis. Or is it crises of constitutions?



People often resist innovations they don't understand.


Yeah, that must be it...


I distinctly remember you not contributing anything.

Why do you criticize something you know hardly anything about?


I remember many others and myself poking holes in your drafts. Don't be bummed, one day we may say "By George he's got it!" It's just today is not that day.


I don't remember that.

People were like: "The executive? What's that?"


Selective memory?


Maybe you're just lying?


Maybe I am... Roll Eyes
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Maybe we could have limited this (now four page) thread to the original question and a response, had the subject of the original question simply replied..."No".

I know, I know...

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Mix_Master wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 10:12pm:
Maybe we could have limited this (now four page) thread to the original question and a response, had the subject of the original question simply replied..."No".

I know, I know...

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Mix_Master wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 10:12pm:
Maybe we could have limited this (now four page) thread to the original question and a response, had the subject of the original question simply replied..."No".

I know, I know...

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Re: FD, have you ever admitted when you've been wrong?
Reply #64 - Dec 5th, 2020 at 7:47am
 
I think it was Auggie and I, who were banned directly by FD once. Auggie put up a picture of Supreme Leader Snook as FD. I joined in for the laugh. FD flung us both, by using the 'cyber' Force, into banishment. Poof - we were gone.

That is when I learned that FD and this Forum were 'One'.
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I bent the knee and now serve in heaven, rather than reign in hell.
I even make FD a good coffee and he lets me sit in his leather chair.
Beats joining the Union like Smith.
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Re: FD, have you ever admitted when you've been wrong?
Reply #65 - Dec 7th, 2020 at 10:40am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 7:02pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 4th, 2020 at 12:10pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:13pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:54am:
freediver wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 7:11pm:
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FD you are basically claiming the left as your own


Very slippery of you Gandalf. How about we start with what I am "actually" claiming?


good point FD.

freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:40pm:
I am a lefty. All of those positions are well founded in traditional left wing principles.


Every single one of those positions you talk about are in fact right wing/conservative articles of faith.

Like I said, you redefine the left beyond all meaning.


Is criticising a movement for increasing inequality a right wing article of faith?


No.

But pretending unions increase inequality because some baseless and thoroughly debunked Milton Freedman brain fart says so is certainly part of the propaganda war against unions that the right (and you) are so united behind.

And more broadly, incoherent culture-war hand waving that directly flys in the face of clear scientific evidence seems to be a right wing specialty. Though like I said, I do give you credit for bucking this trend in relation to climate change.


I provided a coherent economic mechanism for this to happen. Your ignorance of economics is not an argument Gandalf. Your inability to figure out whether an economist is contradicting Friedman is not an argument either.


By that, of course, you mean you cited a baseless brain fart from Milton Friedman, declared it as gospel truth, and flatly refused to either explain it more fully, or substantiate it in any way - and spent the rest of the "discussion" screaming "liar" to anyone who disagreed with you and tapdancing away from any attempts to get you to address the actual topic.

Much the same as what most fanatics of right wing dogma do.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Re: FD, have you ever admitted when you've been wrong?
Reply #66 - Dec 7th, 2020 at 10:46am
 
Here's an easy one for FD

Yesterday he accused me of saying something i didn't ... when asked for evidence I said it, he put up a series of quotes, none of which were attributed to me'

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1607215512/45


And yet he still won't admit he is wrong Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Re: FD, have you ever admitted when you've been wrong?
Reply #67 - Dec 7th, 2020 at 3:56pm
 
FD is never wrong. You on the other hand are always wrong, like your posse from Monkey Mania.

Someone has to be always right and FD looks likely the choice.
Ultimate and absolute Power.  Grin

I've been banned by FD. Do you see me cry a keg over it. I find it funny to be honest.
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