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Re: FD, have you ever admitted when you've been wrong?
Reply #30 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:40pm
 
Mix_Master wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:51am:
cods wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:41am:
arent we all selective correct in our own minds... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

fd is a lefty and it is their god given right to be always right no matter what.

they dont care what anyone else thinks... Wink Wink


Um, OK then.

A "lefty" who starts thread after thread decrying the Union movement. A "Lefty" who decries Superannuation. One whose posts are very much "pro business" and "pro free market".

No, I think it's more you having an issue with "the left", and in typically binary fashion conflates someone who always believes they are "right", with the hated "left".

You could say that FD is a "right", who always thinks he's "right"?

Question:

Can two "rights" make a "wrong"?


I am a lefty. All of those positions are well founded in traditional left wing principles.

Of course, I am also right. So is Cods.
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Re: FD, have you ever admitted when you've been wrong?
Reply #31 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 8:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:40pm:
Mix_Master wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:51am:
cods wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:41am:
arent we all selective correct in our own minds... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

fd is a lefty and it is their god given right to be always right no matter what.

they dont care what anyone else thinks... Wink Wink


Um, OK then.

A "lefty" who starts thread after thread decrying the Union movement. A "Lefty" who decries Superannuation. One whose posts are very much "pro business" and "pro free market".

No, I think it's more you having an issue with "the left", and in typically binary fashion conflates someone who always believes they are "right", with the hated "left".

You could say that FD is a "right", who always thinks he's "right"?

Question:

Can two "rights" make a "wrong"?


I am a lefty. All of those positions are well founded in traditional left wing principles.

Of course, I am also right. So is Cods.



I will take a bow......like fd I am always right! Smiley Smiley
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Re: FD, have you ever admitted when you've been wrong?
Reply #32 - Dec 1st, 2020 at 9:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:40pm:
Mix_Master wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:51am:
cods wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:41am:
arent we all selective correct in our own minds... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

fd is a lefty and it is their god given right to be always right no matter what.

they dont care what anyone else thinks... Wink Wink


Um, OK then.

A "lefty" who starts thread after thread decrying the Union movement. A "Lefty" who decries Superannuation. One whose posts are very much "pro business" and "pro free market".

No, I think it's more you having an issue with "the left", and in typically binary fashion conflates someone who always believes they are "right", with the hated "left".

You could say that FD is a "right", who always thinks he's "right"?

Question:

Can two "rights" make a "wrong"?


I am a lefty. All of those positions are well founded in traditional left wing principles.

Of course, I am also right. So is Cods.


Which left wing principles are those positions founded in?
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Re: FD, have you ever admitted when you've been wrong?
Reply #33 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 6:45am
 
JaSin. wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:34am:
No.
FD's Forum. FD is Boss.
I don't like it. I go form my own Forum.

Don't like your Employer?
Go start your own Business.

While you're joining a Union.
I'm starting my own Business.


In your dreams

you're only qualified to be sycophant/toady
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Re: FD, have you ever admitted when you've been wrong?
Reply #34 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 7:25am
 
Mix_Master wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 9:19pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:40pm:
Mix_Master wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:51am:
cods wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:41am:
arent we all selective correct in our own minds... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

fd is a lefty and it is their god given right to be always right no matter what.

they dont care what anyone else thinks... Wink Wink


Um, OK then.

A "lefty" who starts thread after thread decrying the Union movement. A "Lefty" who decries Superannuation. One whose posts are very much "pro business" and "pro free market".

No, I think it's more you having an issue with "the left", and in typically binary fashion conflates someone who always believes they are "right", with the hated "left".

You could say that FD is a "right", who always thinks he's "right"?

Question:

Can two "rights" make a "wrong"?


I am a lefty. All of those positions are well founded in traditional left wing principles.

Of course, I am also right. So is Cods.


Which left wing principles are those positions founded in?


Take unions for example. They increase inequality, by serving those who are already better off at the expense of everyone else. They constantly try to deny unemployed people the right to work, and if not constantly kept in check would use outright thuggery and intimidation to do so.

On other issues I like to comment on, Muslims are basically Nazis who won (which for some reason makes them entitled to unthinking support from some lefties), and I hope I don't have to explain how carbon taxes are a left wing position, but again some lefties don't like it because it is founded in economic rationalism and they would prefer the government to micromanage this complex transition we are faced with.

Of course, some may want to define left wing as any position founded in ignorance and self delusion, but I don't think that is fair.
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Reply #35 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 10:18am
 
FD you are basically claiming the left as your own, while simultaneously opposing most, if not all, positions that are near-universally held by actual leftists.

You then proceed to promote some the most sanctified of conservative/right wing principles like economic rationalism and anti government micromanagement, somehow thinking these are naturally left wing principles.

Or in other words, you are redifining the left beyond all meaning.

By the way, this bullshit "I'm the real pro-working class because I oppose big meany unions etc" rhetoric is just the same BS spouted by conservative/right wing politicians and commentators. The only difference is they don't pretend they are leftys.
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Reply #36 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 11:59am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 10:18am:
FD you are basically claiming the left as your own, while simultaneously opposing most, if not all, positions that are near-universally held by actual leftists.

You then proceed to promote some the most sanctified of conservative/right wing principles like economic rationalism and anti government micromanagement, somehow thinking these are naturally left wing principles.

Or in other words, you are redifining the left beyond all meaning.

By the way, this bullshit "I'm the real pro-working class because I oppose big meany unions etc" rhetoric is just the same BS spouted by conservative/right wing politicians and commentators. The only difference is they don't pretend they are leftys.


I think someone (not you, BTW) is living in "alternate facts land", if they style themselves as "Leftist", and then attack Unions for "promoting inequality."

From a distance it seems as though someone has taken an amalgam of positions they hold, and said "That amalgam is what represents leftist ideals/principles".

Not true, unfortunately.

It would be like me saying "I believe in a proper social safety net, and universal health care, affordable to all!", and then going on to say "And my beliefs are founded in Right Wing maxims..."

I think the reaction would be - rightly - one of  Shocked


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Reply #37 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 1:24pm
 
Mix_Master wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 11:59am:
From a distance it seems as though someone has taken an amalgam of positions they hold, and said "That amalgam is what represents leftist ideals/principles".


Apart from his support for a carbon tax and action on climate in general, FD's repertoire of political posturings are taken pretty much entirely from the right. Both economic and social. And even with the carbon tax/climate action he argues from an economic conservative perspective.
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Reply #38 - Dec 2nd, 2020 at 7:11pm
 
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FD you are basically claiming the left as your own


Very slippery of you Gandalf. How about we start with what I am "actually" claiming?
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Reply #39 - Dec 3rd, 2020 at 6:46am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 10:18am:
FD you are basically claiming the left as your own, while simultaneously opposing most, if not all, positions that are near-universally held by actual leftists.

You then proceed to promote some the most sanctified of conservative/right wing principles like economic rationalism and anti government micromanagement, somehow thinking these are naturally left wing principles.

Or in other words, you are redifining the left beyond all meaning.

By the way, this bullshit "I'm the real pro-working class because I oppose big meany unions etc" rhetoric is just the same BS spouted by conservative/right wing politicians and commentators. The only difference is they don't pretend they are leftys.


Does that actually mean you're calling him a liar?  Grin
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Reply #40 - Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:54am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 7:11pm:
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FD you are basically claiming the left as your own


Very slippery of you Gandalf. How about we start with what I am "actually" claiming?


good point FD.

freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2020 at 7:40pm:
I am a lefty. All of those positions are well founded in traditional left wing principles.


Every single one of those positions you talk about are in fact right wing/conservative articles of faith.

Like I said, you redefine the left beyond all meaning.
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Reply #41 - Dec 3rd, 2020 at 7:58am
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 3rd, 2020 at 6:46am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 10:18am:
FD you are basically claiming the left as your own, while simultaneously opposing most, if not all, positions that are near-universally held by actual leftists.

You then proceed to promote some the most sanctified of conservative/right wing principles like economic rationalism and anti government micromanagement, somehow thinking these are naturally left wing principles.

Or in other words, you are redifining the left beyond all meaning.

By the way, this bullshit "I'm the real pro-working class because I oppose big meany unions etc" rhetoric is just the same BS spouted by conservative/right wing politicians and commentators. The only difference is they don't pretend they are leftys.


Does that actually mean you're calling him a liar?  Grin


No. I don't give FD that much credit for understanding his own confused ramblings.

FD seems to me quite sincere - sincerely confused.
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Reply #42 - Dec 3rd, 2020 at 8:10am
 
In Australian Politics and Military
The positions of PM & G-G will become the 'weakest' links. Both held in place by two other nations: UK & USA 'currently'.  Roll Eyes
Both industries will become weak at the top, strong at the bottom (cops & troops).

Writing (Religion/Spirituality) and all things 'Paperwork' - which Australia has 2/3rds more than any other nation.
...will become, like ART, strong at the top - weak at the bottom.

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Reply #43 - Dec 3rd, 2020 at 8:12am
 
...this being a Writing Forum. I guess FD is the Master at the Top. Despite the likes of Smith and others to bring him down (tall poppy) and make him 'weak' of position like a PM.
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Reply #44 - Dec 3rd, 2020 at 10:32am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 2nd, 2020 at 7:11pm:
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FD you are basically claiming the left as your own


Very slippery of you Gandalf. How about we start with what I am "actually" claiming?


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