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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47662 At my desk.	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #135 - Mar 21^st, 2021 at 8:36am Quote: Unemployment should be virtually non existent if your theory held water. Can you elaborate on your theory of what my theory is?
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Gnads Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 28147 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #136 - Mar 21^st, 2021 at 8:40am freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2021 at 8:59am: Sure. I smell roses. They are perennial. I can guess where you have them cultivated.
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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3867 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #137 - Mar 22^nd, 2021 at 12:28pm Slavery is not employment.
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Reply #138 - Mar 22^nd, 2021 at 3:35pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2021 at 12:28pm:

Slavery is not employment.

Equally not being enslaved is not unemployment.... and should receive an honourable rate of pay...

I've argued that the Unemployed should be paid well since they are contributing to the opportunity of those employed to actually go to work.... all are active contribntors to the overall productivity etc of the nation... so each should be paid accordingly...

Better still - let's take back the asylum....

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47662 At my desk.	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #139 - Mar 27^th, 2021 at 8:28am tickleandrose wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2021 at 12:28pm: Slavery is not employment. Can you tell the difference?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47662 At my desk.	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #140 - Apr 6^th, 2021 at 9:05pm Some unionists like to equate the reality of having to actually do something in order to put food on the table with slavery. They would turn freedom itself into union propaganda.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47662 At my desk.	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #141 - Aug 13^th, 2021 at 5:57am bump
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47662 At my desk.	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #142 - Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:35pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:18pm: freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:16pm: Can you explain what the difference is? Well, if there are no laws about how hard you can drive your workforce, then, ultimately they'll be driven to collapse. Can you explain this theory?
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Reply #143 - Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:42pm

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:35pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:18pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:16pm:

Can you explain what the difference is?

Well, if there are no laws about how hard you can drive your workforce, then, ultimately they'll be driven to collapse.

Can you explain this theory?

How hard can you imagine some people driving workers if unshackled from legal, social and moral proscription?

How do you think the Chinese regime can enslave so many of the Chinese to make cheap goods?

Chinese workers who are paid just enough to pay for their next meal... And maybe a few shekels more to buy a pair of slippers.

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Reply #144 - Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:51pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:42pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:35pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:18pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:16pm:

Can you explain what the difference is?

Well, if there are no laws about how hard you can drive your workforce, then, ultimately they'll be driven to collapse.

Can you explain this theory?

How hard can you imagine some people driving workers if unshackled from legal, social and moral proscription?

How do you think the Chinese regime can enslave so many of the Chinese to make cheap goods?

Chinese workers who are paid just enough to pay for their next meal... And maybe a few shekels more to buy a pair of slippers.

I was not asking you how wild your imagination is. I was asking you to explain your theory.

What are you trying to say?

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Reply #145 - Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:56pm

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:51pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:42pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:35pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:18pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 6:16pm:

Can you explain what the difference is?

Well, if there are no laws about how hard you can drive your workforce, then, ultimately they'll be driven to collapse.

Can you explain this theory?

How hard can you imagine some people driving workers if unshackled from legal, social and moral proscription?

How do you think the Chinese regime can enslave so many of the Chinese to make cheap goods?

Chinese workers who are paid just enough to pay for their next meal... And maybe a few shekels more to buy a pair of slippers.

I was not asking you how wild your imagination is. I was asking you to explain your theory.

What are you trying to say?

We generally only act against our economic interests when we are forced by legal, social and moral proscription.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47662 At my desk.	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #146 - Sep 26^th, 2021 at 7:13pm Forget about your misunderstanding of other people's economic interest. What does this mean? Quote: Well, if there are no laws about how hard you can drive your workforce, then, ultimately they'll be driven to collapse.
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Reply #147 - Sep 26^th, 2021 at 7:14pm

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 7:13pm:

Forget about your misunderstanding of other people's economic interest. What does this mean?

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Well, if there are no laws about how hard you can drive your workforce, then, ultimately they'll be driven to collapse.

Slavery existed because there were no legal limits on how hard you could work your enslaved workforce... Even to the point of collapse from exhaustion and death.

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Reply #148 - Sep 26^th, 2021 at 9:22pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 7:14pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 7:13pm:

Forget about your misunderstanding of other people's economic interest. What does this mean?

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Well, if there are no laws about how hard you can drive your workforce, then, ultimately they'll be driven to collapse.

Slavery existed because there were no legal limits on how hard you could work your enslaved workforce... Even to the point of collapse from exhaustion and death.

No, that is not why slavery existed. It does not even make sense. Throughout history there have been all sorts of laws governing the treatment of slaves, none of which impacted the existence of slavery.

Would you mind explaining your first absurd theory before inventing another one?

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Well, if there are no laws about how hard you can drive your workforce, then, ultimately they'll be driven to collapse.

What does this mean?

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Reply #149 - Sep 26^th, 2021 at 10:48pm

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 9:22pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 7:14pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2021 at 7:13pm:

Forget about your misunderstanding of other people's economic interest. What does this mean?

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Well, if there are no laws about how hard you can drive your workforce, then, ultimately they'll be driven to collapse.

Slavery existed because there were no legal limits on how hard you could work your enslaved workforce... Even to the point of collapse from exhaustion and death.

No, that is not why slavery existed. It does not even make sense. Throughout history there have been all sorts of laws governing the treatment of slaves, none of which impacted the existence of slavery.

Would you mind explaining your first absurd theory before inventing another one?

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Well, if there are no laws about how hard you can drive your workforce, then, ultimately they'll be driven to collapse.

What does this mean?

No, there were no laws prohibiting slavery throughout human history in all cultures (up until the end of the 18th century) and only moral reasons for treating slaves well...

Some cultures kept slaves until it was time to eat them.

However, slaveowners did have to be concerned about being attacked by mistreated slaves.

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