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Re: Pell walks
Reply #195 - Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:26am

Yadda wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:25am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:19am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 10:33am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 10:28am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 10:19am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 10:11am:

There only two people alive who know for sure what happened.

Each has a very different view of the events.

As for Pell generally? I think he is a vile man who covered up systemic child abuse for decades.

I dont mean to defend him but can you imagine what would have happened - back in the 70s and 80s if he had tried to violate the catholic thing and come forward? What could he (or any other priest) do?

Yeah imo those ppl shouldn't have been moved but kicked out. He may not have had that power back then though.

Spot

Yes, they should have been kicked out. I'm not sure what powers the administrator for the Ballarat district had back then?

There are other accusations about Pell and he is reported to have made "jokes" about priests buggering boys ... not a very nice person.

By whom?

I can't find the exact quote but it was in relation to Risdale I think ... where Pell was accused of saying : "What? has he been buggering boys again?" or words to that effect.

Might have been a piece referenced by David Marr?

What you mean is, that Pell was most probably 'verballed', by David Marr.

Yes ?

You too ..... a protector of abusers?

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #196 - Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:27am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:20am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 9:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 9:28pm:

Compensation? He was found guilty by a jury. Is Pell a victim of our justice system?

He's innocent.

Having you been paying attention?

Was he proven innocent or was the decision made on a technicality of law & a failure in the prosecutions case? Leaving no option but to dismiss/quash the decision?

I don't recall reading anything about innocence.

He doesn't need to be proven innocent.

They need to prove him guilty.

Spot

Correct.

Spot

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #197 - Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:36am

Gnads wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:26am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:25am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:19am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 10:33am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 10:28am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 10:19am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 10:11am:

There only two people alive who know for sure what happened.

Each has a very different view of the events.

As for Pell generally? I think he is a vile man who covered up systemic child abuse for decades.

I dont mean to defend him but can you imagine what would have happened - back in the 70s and 80s if he had tried to violate the catholic thing and come forward? What could he (or any other priest) do?

Yeah imo those ppl shouldn't have been moved but kicked out. He may not have had that power back then though.

Spot

Yes, they should have been kicked out. I'm not sure what powers the administrator for the Ballarat district had back then?

There are other accusations about Pell and he is reported to have made "jokes" about priests buggering boys ... not a very nice person.

By whom?

I can't find the exact quote but it was in relation to Risdale I think ... where Pell was accused of saying : "What? has he been buggering boys again?" or words to that effect.

Might have been a piece referenced by David Marr?

What you mean is, that Pell was most probably 'verballed', by David Marr.

Yes ?

You too ..... a protector of abusers?

I abhor child sexual abuse.

Gnads,

Do you support LAWLESSNESS ?

Are you a part of, do you want to be a part of, a lynch mob ?

And/or, part of an angry mob, in order to deliver 'mob justice' ?

That is LAWLESS anarchy.

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Proverbs 16:29
A violent man enticeth his neighbour, and leadeth him into the way that is not good.

Proverbs 22:24
Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go:
25 Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.

Proverbs 28:7
Whoso keepeth the law is a wise son: but he that is a companion of riotous men shameth his father.

Proverbs 29:22
An angry man stirreth up strife, and a furious man aboundeth in transgression.

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #198 - Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:51am

Gnads wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:25am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:20am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 9:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 9:28pm:

Compensation? He was found guilty by a jury. Is Pell a victim of our justice system?

He's innocent.

Having you been paying attention?

Was he proven innocent or was the decision made on a technicality of law & a failure in the prosecutions case? Leaving no option but to dismiss/quash the decision?

I don't recall reading anything about innocence.

He doesn't need to be proven innocent. They need to prove him guilty.

Spot

Well that doesn't mean he's innocent either ..does it?

"The presumption of innocence is the legal principle that one is considered innocent until proven guilty.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 72624 Gender:	Re: Pell walks Reply #199 - Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:07pm Aussie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 5:20pm: No, I heard that he was mucking around with your chickens. He goes to jail for it. No charge, no trial...straight to jail because I heard about it. You're getting desperate there Aussie
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Reply #200 - Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:11pm

Belgarion wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 9:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 5:03pm:

nope ... i don't agree. He covered up abuse and should be jailed for it

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 5:03pm:

Nothing straw man about it. My argument has always been he should be in jail for decades of covering up abuse. I said that from my very first post. You were the one who thinks he being innocent of this charge of kiddy fiddling also means he is innocent of covering up abuse.

He was not on trial for covering up abuse. Please understand how the legal system works before commenting further.

Right after you learn to read English. No one said he was on trial for covering up abuse you fool.

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #201 - Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:12pm

Johnnie wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:38am:

Their should be a law against one vindictive person being able throw another person behind bars on hearsay,, no evidence, no motive, no prior convictions, no nothing.

Now that Pell has been proven innocent it stands to reason the vindictive one has to be guilty of bullshitting in a court of law, now throw him in solitary confinement with no natural light given only bread and water for the rest of his natural life to teach him a lesson.

he was never proven innocent

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5316 Gender:	Re: Pell walks Reply #202 - Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:14pm There are a number of lawyers and judges who would be very happy to see jury trials done away with. If that happens we have lost a vital pillar of our legal system, however given the attitude of many here it seems they may have a point.
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19661 Perth Gender:	Re: Pell walks Reply #203 - Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:15pm Those who refused to accept Pell's guilt now expect everyone to accept his innocence....Bullshit IMO???
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Re: Pell walks
Reply #204 - Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:17pm

cods wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 9:28am:

sorry!

sins of the father... comes to mind thats all..

did he cover up anything????.. I dont know!

he moved a priest who had been complained about.......its all I know....and that wasnt a crime in the Church....

or in those days at all......

not reporting twhat he knew to police and moving a know pedo is covering it up.

It doesn't have to be a crime under the church, it's a crime under Australian Law.

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #205 - Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:20pm

Johnnie wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:51am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:25am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:20am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 9:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 9:28pm:

Compensation? He was found guilty by a jury. Is Pell a victim of our justice system?

He's innocent.

Having you been paying attention?

Was he proven innocent or was the decision made on a technicality of law & a failure in the prosecutions case? Leaving no option but to dismiss/quash the decision?

I don't recall reading anything about innocence.

He doesn't need to be proven innocent. They need to prove him guilty.

Spot

Well that doesn't mean he's innocent either ..does it?

"The presumption of innocence is the legal principle that one is considered innocent until proven guilty.

'presumed innocent' is very different to 'proven innocent'

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Reply #206 - Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:24pm

Belgarion wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:14pm:

There are a number of lawyers and judges who would be very happy to see jury trials done away with.

If that happens we have lost a vital pillar of our legal system, however given the attitude of many here it seems they may have a point.

It was the trial judge who was in error, imo.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1586218255/25#25
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There wasn't enough evidence for the jury [the 12 people good and true], to come to any reasonable and safe decision to convict.

The judge was a complete goose imo, to allow the jury to proceed to any legal 'determination'.

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #207 - Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:26pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:20pm:

Johnnie wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:51am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:25am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:20am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 9:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 9:28pm:

Compensation? He was found guilty by a jury. Is Pell a victim of our justice system?

He's innocent.

Having you been paying attention?

Was he proven innocent or was the decision made on a technicality of law & a failure in the prosecutions case? Leaving no option but to dismiss/quash the decision?

I don't recall reading anything about innocence.

He doesn't need to be proven innocent. They need to prove him guilty.

Spot

Well that doesn't mean he's innocent either ..does it?

"The presumption of innocence is the legal principle that one is considered innocent until proven guilty.

'presumed innocent' is very different to 'proven innocent'

Roll Eyes

Well how about putting the accuser on trial to prove he has been abused.

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #208 - Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:29pm

Belgarion wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:14pm:

There are a number of lawyers and judges who would be very happy to see jury trials done away with. If that happens we have lost a vital pillar of our legal system, however given the attitude of many here it seems they may have a point.

I agree. Iran's and Indonesia's systems of law is much preferable to ours. Am I joking? I don't know anymore.

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #209 - Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:30pm

Johnnie wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:20pm:

Johnnie wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:51am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:25am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:20am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 11:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 9:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 9:28pm:

Compensation? He was found guilty by a jury. Is Pell a victim of our justice system?

He's innocent.

Having you been paying attention?

Was he proven innocent or was the decision made on a technicality of law & a failure in the prosecutions case? Leaving no option but to dismiss/quash the decision?

I don't recall reading anything about innocence.

He doesn't need to be proven innocent. They need to prove him guilty.

Spot

Well that doesn't mean he's innocent either ..does it?

"The presumption of innocence is the legal principle that one is considered innocent until proven guilty.

'presumed innocent' is very different to 'proven innocent'

Roll Eyes

Well how about putting the accuser on trial to prove he has been abused.

are you vying for some sort of idiot award?

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