Setanta wrote on Nov 17^th, 2019 at 10:55pm:


Why should I bother to provide links, Setanta?  You don't. 

What they used is immaterial as far as I am concerned.  They spread, that is all that matters.  Nowadays, they'd have world opinion, the UN and more than likely (although I wonder) Washington threatening them if they tried it. 

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2019 at 8:16pm:



You make no sense, Bwian. Think about that. You insist on a peripheral isssue being the central point in our lives and interactions.


Dingo, African wild dog, coyote, wolf, domestic dogs in all their great variety - they can all interbreed AND WE ALL recognise them as being different even though they are all Canis.


Especially the wild variants in that list - dingo, African wild dog, coyote, jackals - indicate how obviously we can tell the difference between various breeds (races) be they animal or human species.


You would be rightly called ingnorant, blind and stupid if you insisted that there is no difference between a dingo, and African wild dog, a coyote and a jackal. And so people are calling you ignorant blind and stupid for insisting that there is no difference between an African, an Australian Aborigine, a red indian, a Chinaman and a Finn.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20^th, 2019 at 7:51pm:


I'd be interested in what excuses you are making for me.

Everything I have said is backed up by Archaeology and DNA, you know that genetics you keep talking about? I'm not fibbing. You don't have to like it but it would be silly to ignore it.

You want to QED with your China hypothesis but won't correlate that with what is known. You just stick by a stupid stance of "before the 15th century China was more advanced". Ignoring societies learn from each other, advance, retract, bloom, dark age, thrive, wither.

That statement about China alone shows you are racist. They were always ahead of everyone, never needed anyone, never learned a thing from anyone else but were always he most advanced... Are you a Chink?

Setanta wrote on Nov 20^th, 2019 at 8:16pm:


*SIGH* why does it always come down to a personality thing, Set?  Doesn't matter who or what I am, I have yet to see a good argument against my comments WRT to the idea that "race" is a "social construct".

Instead, I am endlessly being attacked, personally, childishly.  Soren in particular is guilty of this.  His attacks belong in the little kiddies' playground, which is where I direct him to.   However, he appears to have gotten lost and cannot find his way.

Now, my comments about China - in a completely different thread - were based on what several  China scholars have said in various books about technology in China.  China did, according to them lead the world, technologically, until about the 15th century.  After that, Europe surpassed them.   China developed gun powder, it's battlefield uses and exported that knowledge to Europe along the silk road.  China developed moveable type printing presses and exported that along the silk road.  China developed many things and exported those ideas along the silk road to Europe, only to see Europeans claim them as their own inventions.   If you wish to dispute that point, I suggest you take it up with the Chinese scholars.

Your ideas are interesting.  However, until you produce a proper, peer reviewed paper on the topic, I will just keep your views in the "interesting" box for the moment, Set.   

There is also a clear link between criminality and race:

When it comes to disciplinary biases, however, none is so strong or as corrupting as liberal views on race. Disproportionate black involvement in violent crime represents the elephant in the room amid the current controversy over policing in the United States. Homicide numbers from the Federal Bureau of Investigation Supplementary Homicide Reports, 1976–2005 indicate that young African-American males account for homicide victims at levels that are ten to 20 times greater than their proportion of the population and account for homicide offenders at levels that are 15 to 35 times greater than their proportion of the population. The black-white gap in armed-robbery offending has historically ranged between ten to one and 15 to one. Even in forms of crime that are allegedly the province of white males—such as serial murder—blacks are overrepresented as offenders by a factor of two. For all racial groups, violent crime is strongly intraracial, and the intraracial dynamic is most pronounced among blacks. In more than 90 percent of cases, the killer of a black victim is a black perpetrator.

Criminologists talk about the race-crime connection behind closed doors, and often in highly guarded language; the topic is a lightning rod for accusations of racial hostility that can be professionally damaging. They avoid discussing even explicitly racist examples of black-on-white crime such as flash-mob assaults, “polar bear hunting,” and the “knockout game.” What criminologists won’t say in public is that black offending differences have existed since data have been collected and that these differences are behind the racial disparities in arrest, prosecution, and incarceration. They also won’t tell you that, despite claims of widespread racial discrimination in the justice system, legal variables—namely, the number of prior arrests and the seriousness of the crime for which the offender has currently been arrested—account for all but a small fraction of the variance in system outcomes. Nor will they tell you the truth about politically correct remedies, such as diversifying police forces, hiring black police chiefs, or training officers in the alleged effects of implicit bias: that these measures won’t reduce racial disparities in crime.
https://www.city-journal.org/html/what-criminologists-dont-say-and-why-15328.htm...

Aboriginal or Arab criminality would be similarly out of all proportion. It's the culture that individuals in various races choose to identify with.

Setanta wrote on Nov 21^st, 2019 at 6:34pm:


No, they were American and British scholars.  Joseph Needham in particular wrote a multi-volume research work on Chinese technology which still stands today as one of the best (and is endorsed by the Chinese themselves AIUI).  Not all Chinese scholars are subject to what the Communist Party tells them to say, either.

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If Europe had been subject to the problems that China faced over the centuries, it would be both better equipped and willing to show it's technology and in many ways worse off, Set.  China was beset by numerous invasions from Western European, Asian and Eastern European forces.  It had rebellions, revolution and famine and mayhem.   Europe also had many of those things but it was never addicted to Opium the way China was.

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I will read them, Set when I get a chance.   DNA has changed a great deal of the understanding about species and humanity in particular.  As I keep pointing out, the concept of "race" that Racists use is a social construct.  It focuses on minor physical differences which are simple evolutionary adaptations to environmental conditions.  They (note, not I) focus on skin colour, eye shape, nose shape, etc, with out appreciating that they indicate absolutely nothing about the Genetic makeup of the individual or their supposed "race".  They use it to justify their oppression of people.  It is foolish and pointless. 

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 21^st, 2019 at 8:09pm:



Today's word is 'African American teaching assistant'.


UNC teaching assistant & antifa activist, Maya Little, was arrested this past weekend & charged w/inciting a riot & felony malicious conduct. She’s been arrested numerous times, including for larceny. At a protest last year, she mixed her bodily fluid w/paint to throw on property

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1196281630396055552




Race? Culture?

Both.