freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 1:42pm:


No, you are conflating taboo with head chopping, and failing to distinguish between the two. Or in other words, there is nothing to suggest that Hollywood shies away from muslim mocking because of fear of jihadis, and everything to suggest they do so because they consider it as taboo as jew mocking - for reasons that have little to do with fear of violence.

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 1:42pm:


As I keep reminding you, jew/judaism mocking does not exist in mainstream western entertainment. So we have no example to know how they would react.

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2019 at 10:28am:


No it doesn't. You don't hear about it because the powerful and well funded jewish lobbies in the west have ensured that even legitimate criticism of jews or judaism - particularly in relation to the state of Israel - results in relentless public shaming of the perpetrators as that most dastardly of beasts (drumroll) - an antisemite. It has resulted in the creation of such cultural norms as the banning of holocaust denial and police kicking down the doors of people who mock jews on facebook.

Obviously an institution like Hollywood who is so deeply reliant on a good public image and patronage from big business would be about the most vulnerable to such a threat.

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2019 at 10:28am:


The headhackers will always look for something to be outraged over, and they will likely find it regardless of what Hollywood produce. If its not a Muhammad mocking film, it will be over an obscure American pastor threatening to burn the Quran. The point is, a Hollywood movie about mocking Muhammad is as likely as a Hollywood remake of The Eternal Jew - ie not at all. And it will be for exactly the same reason, which is not fear of the head hackers.

Its funny that even now you still refuse to acknowledge that while Hollywood refuses to indulge in something that is the most offensive to muslims, they are also refusing to indulge in the equivalent for jews - arguably even more so. If you ever do decide to acknowledge that, you will also acknowledge that the aversion has nothing to do with fear of head hackers. And no, simply repeating the argument "but surely the head hackers will respond if they make it" - does not refute that.

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 31^st, 2019 at 12:52pm:


Such as? Is it anything equivalent to the level of offensiveness that muslims would feel over Muhammad mocking? I'm sceptical.

Notice that not even FD can refute the fact that muslims and even Islam is routinely mocked in western entertainment (exhibit A - 4 lions). So he narrows the criteria right down to Muhammad mocking only. We all agree that its difficult to think of a jewish equivalent in terms of offensiveness, but I would start with the good old early 20th century Nazi tropes: jews=vermin, greedy hook-nosed bankers molesting innocent girls while stealing money etc. Does any such equivalent even exist, let alone become "routine" in western entertainment? I don't think so.

Of course the problem is that we forbid framing muslims and Islam in racial terms - unlike how we treat the jews. So when people attack Islam by being racist, the easy retort is "its ok - Islam is not a race". Anti-Islam tropes mocking Muhammad are never allowed to be interpreted as racist attacks - even when the most vile alleged behaviour of Muhammad (pedophile, child molestor) is so blatantly generalised as the standard behaviour of muslim men today (as was the case with Innocence of Muslims). Yet when jews are attacked with racism (anti-semitism) its very rightly condemned as offensive and racist. So of course when Hollywood and most others in the entertainment industry make a stand against racist attacks against muslims, it can only ever be seen as some intellectual cowering against legitimate criticism of ideas. Cause you know, Islam is not a race. Yet funnily enough, we have the maturity to understand how easy it is to blur the distinction between legitimate criticism of ideas/religion and outright racism when it comes to jews - to the extent that even disputing a particular detail of history is considered a racist attack.

What a shame the Communalism riots which occur semi-regularly in India, Bangladesh and elsewhere in Asia overturns your premise Moses.  Hindus don't get on with other religious groups all that well.  Jews, in Israel don't necessarily get on with other religions either, even themselves.  Ultra-Orthodox Jews are particularly combative against other Jewish denomination groups.  Christians, also often riot against other religious groups - what else could you call the Pogroms of Eastern Europe and Russia?   

Frank wrote on Jul 31^st, 2019 at 7:53pm:


Multiculturalism works in Australia, Soren.  Look outside, look at the society around you.  It is a Multicultural society.  I know you hate the idea of living next door to someone who isn't Aryan but sorry, thats just tough for you.  Multiculturalism works for most Australians most of the time, which is all you can ask of any Government policy.   

Frank wrote on Jul 31^st, 2019 at 8:09pm:


Torn apart? On what basis?

crime rates have been on a steady decline across the western world for decades. Prosperity and living standards have been steadily increasing

On just about any actually tangible measure you can come up with (as opposed to something utterly intangible and frankly complete nonsense like "a common destiny and common set of values that all can share and work and seek compromise within") - the western world, where multiculturalism is practiced, never had it better.

freediver wrote on Aug 1^st, 2019 at 9:24am:


You seem to be drawing the far-fetched conclusion that jews are not in fact a 'protected species' in terms of ridiculing and mocking - in the eyes of western culture - but rather are just better at dealing with it than muslims. Instead of the obvious and common sense conclusion that any ridiculing and mocking of an anti-jewish nature is avoided like the plague.