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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #345 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 4:27pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 4:01pm:
That's a question, dear. I asked you how we should deal with it.


very good petal. Now seeing as we can't control the weather it seems we can't control the climate.

Now if you have a plan to control the weather, please let us know. You might even get a Nobel prize, just like Al Gore. Wink
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Reply #346 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 4:57pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 3:56pm:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 3:46pm:
Don't suppose you could post something that is true ?


""Climate change is different because we have an expiration date. And the IPCC report says that we've got 12 years to turn it around, " asserted Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) during a recent MSNBC town hall. "So my concern is that we are going to be the frog in the pot of boiling water and we're going to debate and debate and debate and debate and then when we finally pass something it is a wimpy carbon tax and our kids are doomed."


https://reason.com/2019/04/05/rep-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-is-wrong-th/

She didn't say "fry" but according to her it won't be because we froze to death. Wink

"Climate Change Isn’t Just Frying the Planet—It’s Fraying Our Nerves"

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/02/climate-change-isnt-just-frying-...

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And the IPCC report says that we've got 12 years to turn it around,


Considering we have done nothing to turn it around in the last 25 years what makes any change in the next 12 likely. It has also been said that the longer we wait to act the more it is going to cost.

The cost to turn it around in 12 years would be prohibitive. To this point we have failed while not trying to turn it around, to this point we have only been trying to slow down the increases or in the case of Liberal governments to do nothing.
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Reply #347 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 5:10pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 4:27pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 4:01pm:
That's a question, dear. I asked you how we should deal with it.


very good petal. Now seeing as we can't control the weather it seems we can't control the climate.

Now if you have a plan to control the weather, please let us know. You might even get a Nobel prize, just like Al Gore. Wink


So let me get this right - your solution to global warming is to do nothing, is that right?
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Reply #348 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 5:36pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 4:57pm:
Considering we have done nothing to turn it around in the last 25 years what makes any change in the next 12 likely. It has also been said that the longer we wait to act the more it is going to cost.


How do you cost controlling the weather when we can't do it now?

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 5:10pm:
So let me get this right - your solution to global warming is to do nothing, is that right?


Seeing as we can't control the weather? Exactly.

What is your plan to control the weather?
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Reply #349 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:00pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 5:36pm:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 4:57pm:
Considering we have done nothing to turn it around in the last 25 years what makes any change in the next 12 likely. It has also been said that the longer we wait to act the more it is going to cost.


How do you cost controlling the weather when we can't do it now?

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 5:10pm:
So let me get this right - your solution to global warming is to do nothing, is that right?


Seeing as we can't control the weather? Exactly.

What is your plan to control the weather?


I see. What about controlling other things, Lee?

Phosphates spilling into the Great Barrier Reef? Irrigation destroying the Murray Dowling river system? Fracking polluting water tables?

Exhaust and factory emissions causing mass breathing problems? Deforestation for paddocks and palm oil plantations? Disposable plastic entering the river-systems and oceans and killing marine life?

Do you think we should do nothing about those things too, dear?
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Reply #350 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:16pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
I see. What about controlling other things, Lee?



What about them?

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
Irrigation destroying the Murray Dowling Darling river system?


It is not good. It was always a half arsed idea taking more water than it could tolerate. But that has nothing to do with a carbon tax. Wink

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
Fracking polluting water tables?


To date there is no evidence of that. There has been conjecture. Is the fracking liquid carbon?

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
Exhaust and factory emissions causing mass breathing problems?


Yes. Get rid of factories and automobiles. That should fix it. Of course that means no jobs, no transport for food and other consumables.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
Deforestation for paddocks and palm oil plantations?


You do know grasses (wheat, rye, oats) are plants and that they sequester CO2? But we could probably do without them, they are only food.

And of course we can always tell other countries not to plant palm oil plantations. Wink

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
Disposable plastic entering the river-systems and oceans and killing marine life?


Yes people are really grubs. Why the emphasis on "disposable" plastic? Disposable plastic breaks down even naturally occurring plastics break down.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
Do you think we should do nothing about those things too, dear?


Tell us what having a carbon tax will do for them.
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Reply #351 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:25pm
 
Thanks, Lee. You've just established that, not only do you believe in no change to industrial practices, you believe the world's biggest environment problems are a hoax too.

Sorry, I mean there's no evidence, the jury's still out.

But I'm curious. Why are you always citing the evidence of think tanks funded by the polluters?



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Reply #352 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:45pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 5:36pm:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 4:57pm:
Considering we have done nothing to turn it around in the last 25 years what makes any change in the next 12 likely. It has also been said that the longer we wait to act the more it is going to cost.


How do you cost controlling the weather when we can't do it now?



Nobody has ever said anything about controlling the weather except for you.


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Reply #353 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:48pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:16pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
Do you think we should do nothing about those things too, dear?


Tell us what having a carbon tax will do for them.


Putting a price on carbon provided incentive for those affected to reduce their emissions while funding other projects to improve in other ways.
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Reply #354 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 9:20pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:25pm:
Thanks, Lee. You've just established that, not only do you believe in no change to industrial practices, you believe the world's biggest environment problems are a hoax too.



Nope. But think what you like.
You could try a line by line rebuttal, but you don't have the wherewithal.


Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:25pm:
Sorry, I mean there's no evidence, the jury's still out.


Oh look karney is trying too sound sciencey.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:25pm:
But I'm curious. Why are you always citing the evidence of think tanks funded by the polluters?


Which ones would those be? Or is that just another of your non-evidenced based assertions for which you won't provide a quote.

You are so silly.
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Reply #355 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 9:22pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:45pm:
Nobody has ever said anything about controlling the weather except for you.



yes petal. because you don't understand that according to the WMO climate is merely at least 30 years of weather.  If you an't control weather you can't control climate.
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Reply #356 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 9:25pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:48pm:
Putting a price on carbon provided incentive for those affected to reduce their emissions while funding other projects to improve in other ways.



So how do you reduce emissions in concrete manufacture? That is a big CO2 emitter.

What about mine sites? Where do they get their reliable electricity supply from?
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Reply #357 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 9:46pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 9:20pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:25pm:
Thanks, Lee. You've just established that, not only do you believe in no change to industrial practices, you believe the world's biggest environment problems are a hoax too.



Nope. But think what you like.
You could try a line by line rebuttal, but you don't have the wherewithal.


Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:25pm:
Sorry, I mean there's no evidence, the jury's still out.


Oh look karney is trying too sound sciencey.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 7:25pm:
But I'm curious. Why are you always citing the evidence of think tanks funded by the polluters?


Which ones would those be? Or is that just another of your non-evidenced based assertions for which you won't provide a quote.

You are so silly.


Come come, you've already referenced the IPA, dear. Your fracking argument's an industry study too. When they were confronted about all the industrial chemicals fracking injects into the ground, they said, oh ha ha, but they're nice chemicals.

All 40 of them.

They were forced to admit many weren't so nice at all.

So given we now know where you're coming from, Lee, the jig's up. But I'm curious. Why would anyone parrot what the big polluters say without even being paid for it?

You've already suggested environmentalists are on some huge racket, raking the money in. You know, global warming's where the big money is - not oil or gas or coal. Not the auto industry and manufacturing, oh no.

Methinks you doth protest too much, dear. Still, we know you're not getting a cent.

How tragic is that?
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Reply #358 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 10:21pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 9:46pm:
Come come, you've already referenced the IPA, dear.


No petal. I referenced Jennifer Maharosy. There is a difference. It is like saying Chris Bowen is the ALP. Wink

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 9:46pm:
Your fracking argument's an industry study too.



Seeing as I didn't reference any study that must make you a Nostra Dumb Arse.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 9:46pm:
When they were confronted about all the industrial chemicals fracking injects into the ground, they said, oh ha ha, but they're nice chemicals.


You do understand fracking uses any pressurised liquid. Even water.

"Hydraulic fracturing of a single horizontal well can involve injection of millions of gallons of a 98% water fluid, taken from valuable freshwater sources or, increasingly, recycled from previous operations. However, water released from geological features and the injected fluid -- which also includes a “proppant,” such as sand, to hold fractures open, and typically around 1% of chemical additives – returns to the surface. "

https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/policy/publicpolicies/sustainability/hydrauli...

perhaps you should try to keep up with the times.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 9:46pm:
So given we now know where you're coming from, Lee, the jig's up. But I'm curious. Why would anyone parrot what the big polluters say without even being paid for it?



ooh look another assertion without proof.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 9:46pm:
Still, we know you're not getting a cent.



That's right petal. Unlike some who say I do. Grin Grin Grin Grin

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27th, 2019 at 9:46pm:
How tragic is that?



Not at all. I like the science. You just don't seem to offer any. Just assertion after assertion and some unnamed guilty party who apparently does all the fracking on earth.
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Reply #359 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 10:41pm
 
Oh, Lee, you're a right old quote-bomber. No wonder you like me quoting you so much.

Your ACS recommendations hardly reassure one about fracking, dear, but good on you for posting a neutral source.

A first?
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