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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #75 - Oct 16^th, 2017 at 4:29pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 6:40am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 10:29pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 9:25am:

Lastone wrote on Oct 14^th, 2017 at 11:37am:

You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis.

That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain.

Another piece of bullshit, FD. Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth. Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages. Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China. Roll Eyes

China only became the wealthiest region on earth after the west had stagnated under Islam for several centuries. This was the first time in the 10000 years of human civilisation that the leading civilisation was outside of the western core. Still, the Chinese only managed to achieve similar living standards to what had been over 1000 years earlier under the Romans. Despite the previous example set by the Romans in the same place, the concurrent example set by the Chinese, and the biggest land empire the world had ever seen, the Muslims only achieved stagnation and oppression.

Muslims did not rule the West, FD, no matter how you attempt to paint it so. Muslims only ruled the middle-east and the periphery of Europe (for short periods). Europe was ruled by Europeans for most of it's history. Roll Eyes

FD is using Ian Morris's model of "the west" which is basically everything west of China to the atlantic.

He must have used it by occident.

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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #76 - Oct 16^th, 2017 at 6:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 4:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 6:40am:

FD is using Ian Morris's model of "the west" which is basically everything west of China to the atlantic.

What a bizarre definition. No one else does that. Roll Eyes

No - it's a typical lazy , easy misrepresentation we have come to expect from gandalf.

He compares the West to China, he doesn't say that the West starts at the western border of China.

Only an idiot like Bwian would credulously leap on such a misrepresentation to eagerly show off his stupidity he imagines as learning.

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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #77 - Oct 16^th, 2017 at 7:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

China was the wealthiest region on Earth

I know you claim you studied history, must have been Australian eh Brian for until the 1500 mark India was the wealthiest nation on Earth. Shame about that.
You should stick to Australian History as its a lot shorter and you may be able to retain a semblance of cognizance, but I doubt it.

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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #78 - Oct 16^th, 2017 at 7:33pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 6:40am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 10:29pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 9:25am:

Lastone wrote on Oct 14^th, 2017 at 11:37am:

You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis.

That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain.

Another piece of bullshit, FD. Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth. Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages. Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China. Roll Eyes

China only became the wealthiest region on earth after the west had stagnated under Islam for several centuries. This was the first time in the 10000 years of human civilisation that the leading civilisation was outside of the western core. Still, the Chinese only managed to achieve similar living standards to what had been over 1000 years earlier under the Romans. Despite the previous example set by the Romans in the same place, the concurrent example set by the Chinese, and the biggest land empire the world had ever seen, the Muslims only achieved stagnation and oppression.

Muslims did not rule the West, FD, no matter how you attempt to paint it so. Muslims only ruled the middle-east and the periphery of Europe (for short periods). Europe was ruled by Europeans for most of it's history. Roll Eyes

FD is using Ian Morris's model of "the west" which is basically everything west of China to the atlantic.

You are confused Gandalf. Morris offers a very detailed explanation, along with justifications. It certainly isn't everything west of China to the atlantic. Just because Muslims destroyed most of western civilisation does not mean we should redefine the history of this civilisation prior to Islam.

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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #79 - Oct 16^th, 2017 at 8:57pm

Frank wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 6:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 4:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 6:40am:

FD is using Ian Morris's model of "the west" which is basically everything west of China to the atlantic.

What a bizarre definition. No one else does that. Roll Eyes

No - it's a typical lazy , easy misrepresentation we have come to expect from gandalf.

He compares the West to China, he doesn't say that the West starts at the western border of China.

Only an idiot like Bwian would credulously leap on such a misrepresentation to eagerly show off his stupidity he imagines as learning.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, move along folks, nothing worth looking at here at all. It's just Soren showing off his usual ad hominemn insults... Roll Eyes

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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #80 - Oct 16^th, 2017 at 8:59pm

Justsayno wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 7:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

China was the wealthiest region on Earth

I know you claim you studied history, must have been Australian eh Brian for until the 1500 mark India was the wealthiest nation on Earth. Shame about that.
You should stick to Australian History as its a lot shorter and you may be able to retain a semblance of cognizance, but I doubt it.

Produce some evidence, JSN. Roll Eyes

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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #81 - Oct 16^th, 2017 at 9:07pm

freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

You are confused Gandalf. Morris offers a very detailed explanation, along with justifications. It certainly isn't everything west of China to the atlantic. Just because Muslims destroyed most of western civilisation does not mean we should redefine the history of this civilisation prior to Islam.

"Most of western civilisation" as defined by Morris, I take it? Provide us with the definition that Morris uses, please, FD. I'd be interested to see how "the West" has been extended South-East into the Middle-East and North Africa... Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51796 At my desk.	Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia Reply #82 - Oct 16^th, 2017 at 9:22pm You are welcome to read the book for yourself Brian. He provides a causal lineage linking the civilisation that began in Iraq, then whose centre shifted to Iran, Egypt, Rome, London, New York.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 99810	Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia Reply #83 - Oct 16^th, 2017 at 10:20pm freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 9:22pm: You are welcome to read the book for yourself Brian. Chapter 9, or... ?
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #84 - Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:38am

freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 9:22pm:

You are welcome to read the book for yourself Brian. He provides a causal lineage linking the civilisation that began in Iraq, then whose centre shifted to Iran, Egypt, Rome, London, New York.

Ah, so in other words, basically everything west of China to the Atlantic.

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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #86 - Oct 17^th, 2017 at 1:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 8:59pm:

Justsayno wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 7:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

China was the wealthiest region on Earth

I know you claim you studied history, must have been Australian eh Brian for until the 1500 mark India was the wealthiest nation on Earth. Shame about that.
You should stick to Australian History as its a lot shorter and you may be able to retain a semblance of cognizance, but I doubt it.

Produce some evidence, JSN. Roll Eyes

You made the about claim about China Brian lets have your evidence.

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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #87 - Oct 17^th, 2017 at 5:32pm

freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 9:22pm:

You are welcome to read the book for yourself Brian. He provides a causal lineage linking the civilisation that began in Iraq, then whose centre shifted to Iran, Egypt, Rome, London, New York.

And of course he doesn't make an effort to explain why it's "centre" shifted, I take it, FD? Funny about how the centre shifted well before the arising of Islam, now isn't it? I assume he doesn't take into account the efforts of the Babylonian, Assyrian, Egyptian and Persian Empires and that the "west" according to your explanation of his theory was Oriental, not European at all? Roll Eyes

You are aware that he is merely a lone historian and that his views run counter to the accepted norm of that profession?

I'll see if my library has a copy of his work.

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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #88 - Oct 17^th, 2017 at 5:39pm

Justsayno wrote on Oct 17^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 8:59pm:

Justsayno wrote on Oct 16^th, 2017 at 7:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

China was the wealthiest region on Earth

I know you claim you studied history, must have been Australian eh Brian for until the 1500 mark India was the wealthiest nation on Earth. Shame about that.
You should stick to Australian History as its a lot shorter and you may be able to retain a semblance of cognizance, but I doubt it.

Produce some evidence, JSN. Roll Eyes

You made the about claim about China Brian lets have your evidence.

No. I challenged yours first, JSN. Cough up or shut up. Roll Eyes

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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #89 - Oct 17^th, 2017 at 8:54pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 15^th, 2017 at 9:25am:

Lastone wrote on Oct 14^th, 2017 at 11:37am:

You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis.

That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain.

Another piece of bullshit, FD. Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth. Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages. Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China. Roll Eyes

Evidence, big thick? Or just stupidity from you, again?

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