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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #60 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 6:26pm

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Is this prejudiced? Would you stand up to it, or choose instead to be an apologist for it?

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2016 at 10:08am:

5. Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then

kill the Mushrikun

(see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

How about this?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 10:27am:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

If you think these 800 people acted as some kind of mindless collective

Thats exactly what they were.

Is that Prejudiced?
On the face if it much less than this
1 Samuel 15:3: "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.' "

Which is demanding Genocide.

You pick a quote out of the Koran without context and ask me to comment. I have no Idea who the Mushrikun are or why they are being killed. Why is the God of the old testament demanding the Amalek put to Genocide? As to the other I do not know who the 800 are or what you are talking about.

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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #61 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 6:31pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

Why did you feel the need to suddenly pretend we were talking about jailing people the first time you answered this question John? Do you also agree when we are merely talking about criticising people?

So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?

why do you feel the need to pretend i was talking about jailing people FD? Here, I'll put up what I said for you again.

I don't think anyone is beyond criticism, as long as the criticism is justified.

However if a nazi wants to preach hate, than criticise away.

you can criticise them for making glue to your hearts content FD. It's rather simple, criticise them for what the individual says or does, not for what he believes.

see, no mention of jail with those comments. Now are you going to keep pretending or do you plan on moving on?

So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?

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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #62 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 6:35pm

Lastone wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 6:26pm:

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Is this prejudiced? Would you stand up to it, or choose instead to be an apologist for it?

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2016 at 10:08am:

5. Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then

kill the Mushrikun

(see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Is that Prejudiced?
On the face if it much less than this
1 Samuel 15:3: "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.' "

Which is demanding Genocide.

You pick a quote out of the Koran without context and ask me to comment. I have no Idea who the Mushrikun are or why they are being killed. Why is the God of the old testament demanding the Amalek put to Genocide? As to the other I do not know who the 800 are or what you are talking about.

I did not ask what it is less than or more than, but thanks for the transparent attempt to change the topic. No surprise there. Or perhaps you were attempting to be on topic? After all, The left attack Christianity but supports Islam, right?

Mushriken means infidel. The verse says to slaughter the infidel. Not one infidel. Not one group of them. All of them.

https://islamqa.info/en/67626

What is the difference between mushrikeen and kuffaar? Are the Jews and Christians mushrikeen or kuffaar?.
Published Date: 2005-02-13
Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:

The kaafir is the one who denies and conceals the truth. The basic meaning of the word kufr in Arabic is concealment. Shirk means devoting worship to anyone or anything other than Allaah.

Kufr may take the form of denying and rejecting, but the mushrik may also believe in Allaah. This is the difference between the mushrik and the kaafir.

Each word may also carry the meaning of the other, so the word kufr may be used in the sense of shirk, and the word shirk may be used in the sense of kufr.

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polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 10:27am:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

If you think these 800 people acted as some kind of mindless collective

Thats exactly what they were.

Or this?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

As I said, there was no real concept of individuality - your personality was literally defined by which tribe you belonged to. And the decisions that govern the tribe are very much decisions that are represented by all the individuals who make up the tribe. Thus there really is no question of collective guilt - no matter how abhorrent we find the term today.

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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #65 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:25pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

why do you keep repeating yourself FD? I've already answered, and then copy pasted the relevant answer another three times. What is it you are struggling with?

You could try giving a straight answer, without pretending we are talking about jailing people. You often accuse me of putting words in your mouth, but you are also fond of backpedaling and pretending you were saying something else.

Should we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?

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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #66 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:44pm

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

why do you keep repeating yourself FD? I've already answered, and then copy pasted the relevant answer another three times. What is it you are struggling with?

You could try giving a straight answer, without pretending we are talking about jailing people. You often accuse me of putting words in your mouth, but you are also fond of backpedaling and pretending you were saying something else.

Should we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?

I gave a straight answer. No one mentioned jailing until well after I gave the answer the first time. You can stop pretending now and go back and read it, or any off the other three times I copied it for you.

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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #67 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:56pm

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No one mentioned jailing until

Yes, why did you bring up jailing John?

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until well after I gave the answer the first time

No John, you mentioned jailing immediately after I posted this for the first time. You have been ducking and weaving ever since.

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 4:12pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 3:25pm:

Behold the tapdancing apologist:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 2:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:10pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 11:56am:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 11:53am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 11:46am:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 11:30am:

Brian Ross is a good example. He claims that he has no right or even ability to criticise other nations or religions.

John would you also argue that it is OK to criticise Nazism but not Nazis?

Sure. I don't care that Hammer believes in white supremacy. As long as he doesn't try to shove his beliefs onto others, he can pray to Hitler all he wants

So you think it is wrong to criticise Nazis?

I don't think anyone is beyond criticism, as long as the criticism is justified.

Is it justified to criticise someone who insists Hitler is God's messenger on earth?

no, not in that case. He can believe the dog poo on his shoe is a messenger from god if he wants to. However if a nazi wants to preach hate, than criticise away.

What if a Nazi preaches his love for the Jews liberated by the final solution?

Or that it is important to be polite and civilised while making glue?

you can criticise them for making glue to your hearts content FD. It's rather simple, criticise them for what the individual says or does, not for what he believes.

So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?

a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. You can't

jail

people for thinking bad thoughts fd.

Who said anything about jailing people John? Now that you realise how stupid it sounds, are you trying to backpedal?

So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?

Do you often tell people they are "spot on" then pretend they said something completely different John? Then refuse to give any straight answers at all?

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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #68 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 10:23pm

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

Yes, why did you bring up jailing John?

when I answered your question the first time no one had mentioned jailing. But you keep pretending if you like.

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

No John, you mentioned jailing immediately after I posted this for the first time

bullshit - does this ring a bell 'It's rather simple, criticise them for what the individual says or does, not for what he believes'

that was said long before I mentioned jail. Now you keep pretending if you like.

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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #69 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 12:53am

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:18pm:

matty wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:12am:

matty wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

once again matty hides his head up his arse and ignores reality.

the left had no problem with hanson wearing a hijab if she so wished, it was her reason for wearing it that was the problem.

(i should add that nuns deserve all the mockery they get)

Why was it? It's true, the burqa does conceal identity and thus compromise security. It is ALSO a symbol of oppression, and yet the left don't seem to care that many women are forced to wear it against their own free will. Why aren't the feminists shouting from the rooftops anout it?

Why do nuns deserve mockery?

you don't have to like the burqa Matty. No one is going to make you wear one. What it means to you is irrelevant. It's what it means to the person wearing it that is important. Your symbolism is your problem

as for nuns, who do you think was helping the pedo priests hide their abuse?

That's my whole point idiot. To many women wearing it is a symbol of oppression. They don't want to wear it but are forced to by their families.

Also, other countries have banned it because of the identity issue. You think it's fair that women are allowed to wear a burqa for their driver's license but someone else can't wear a hat, or even a ribbon?

no, that's not your whole point. You want to ban the burqua for what you believe. Instead, I think it's up to the individual to decide if they want to wear it or not.
Banning the burqa in Australia does absolutely nothing for the women in Afghanistan.

Wrong again. I want the burqa banned for two reasons: one that it compromises national security and identity, and second that it is a sign of oppression. What do women in Afghanistan have to do with the price of tea in China? Many Muslim women across the globe (and that includes Australia) have no choice, they are forced to wear it. Honestly, how many women who wear it do you think do so voluntarily? Go to Greenacre or Lakemba and see the women there.

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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #70 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 12:54am

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:20pm:

matty wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

when it is only one religion going around the world killing people.

https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/b/bb/Head_up_ass.jpg

That's nice dear but we don't need you do post any more pictures of yourself.

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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #71 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 12:54am

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:19pm:

matty wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:37am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:36am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 6:58am:

Its time wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:28pm:

' ................. The left attack Christianity but supports Islam ........... '

yes, they do.

I don't discriminate , anyone that believes in any sky fairies is a dead kunt to me

, and I'm christianed , naturally I was to young to oppose , but I educated my kids from day dot religion was complete and utter bullshit

Don't want your kids to make up their own minds? I feel sorry for the poor little sods.

do you let your kids make up their mind about running out on the road? Religion is even more deadly

Comments like that prove why you are, and will always, be known as the village idiot.

you realise that projecting yourself onto me will never work, right?

Why don't you get some new material? You have worn out the "I know you are but what I am I" thing.

what for? the old material works so well and is still just as valid as the first time I used it.

It's stale.

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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #72 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 12:58am

Lastone wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:26pm:

matty wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:16pm:

Lastone wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 9:14am:

As a lefty I do not particularly care which sky fairy you follow. I do care about discriminate and hate. I suggest you perform one simple exercise. The next anti Islamic message you find in this place, replace Muslim with Jew and read it again. Then go and have a read of some of the Anti-Semitic rubbish printed by Christians. You will be amazed at the similarities.
The irony in this is that those Christians who have fallen victim to Islam phobia have forgotten one of the basic teachings of their sky fairy.
Let those who are without sin cast the first stone. When one considers that the Holocaust was perpetrated by a so called Christian Nation some of you turkeys should be hanging your heads in shame, not hurling rocks. Rather than defend any sky fairy, I merely expose bigotry and hypocrisy, pointing out the fact you live in a glass house.

Here we go again with this bs that all religions have extremists and they're all as bad as one another, when it is only one religion going around the world killing people.

History does not count then? If Christians were organising pogroms and Murdering Jews 60 years ago. That does not count because at the moment only Muslims are doing it according to you.

Of course that was bad but we can't do anything to change history, we can only focus on the here and now, and that is that Islam is the only religion going around the world killing people.

But since you actually brought up history, maybe ask yourself why it is that Islam originated about 600 years after Christianity, in the Middle East. Up until that time, the vast majority of people there Jewish or Christian. These days it's over 90% Muslim and Lebanon and Armenia are the only countries with a decent number of Christians, Jews none except Israel. Just ponder on that for a second, see whether you can figure out why that is the case.

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Reply #73 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 1:01am

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a former Muslim, now Atheist, and in response to Pauline's act, has condemned the burqa. Here she is:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/burka-debate-whats-at-stake-is-equ...

John and Leftwinger say that they condemn all religions equally, and being angels of the left and thus proponents of equality, I expect nothing but high praise from them for this lady.

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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #74 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 8:13am

matty wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 12:53am:

one that it compromises national security and identity

bullshit. - There has never been an incident in this country where the burqa compromised security. Try again

matty wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 12:53am:

and second that it is a sign of oppression.

so don't wear it. Meanwhile the women who wear it don't feel oppressed

matty wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 12:53am:

Honestly, how many women who wear it do you think do so voluntarily?

how many have you spoken to that wear if because they're forced to?

matty wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 12:54am:

That's nice dear but we don't need you do post any more pictures of yourself.

see, you've had your head up your arse for so long that you don't even recongise yourself anymore

matty wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 12:54am:

It's stale.

still works

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