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Reply #75 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:54am
 
Actually I disagree.  There are somethings that the left and Christianity do not agree with: for example, the definition of marriage, the acceptance of LGBTI, and attitudes to science from certain smaller section of the Christian Community. 

However, the right is definitely no friend of Christianity, and please dont pretend to be either.  Jesus is perhaps the single most well known socialist in the history of mankind.  There are Christian charities helping the needy and the homeless - most these Christians are often labeled as leftist by the right.  Various main stream Christian church also oppose offshore processing of refugees, and indefinite detention. 

I think, the left does not attack Christianity as such, but rather they are attacking right wing extremities who pretend to be Christians, and bend and twist christian values to suit their own needs.

And left is no supporter of Islam either.  Many human rights activist is are the forefront of combating discrimination world wide including for those from Middle East countries.  In fact, leftist are by defaulting supporting the rights of refugees, homeless, and the disabled.  To point out that its wrong to discriminate people on element of religion does not equate to supporting the same religion.  This important distinction is then perverted by the right to further their own political agenda.
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Reply #76 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:59am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:35pm:
I did not ask what it is less than or more than, but thanks for the transparent attempt to change the topic. No surprise there. Or perhaps you were attempting to be on topic? After all, The left attack Christianity but supports Islam, right?

Mushriken means infidel. The verse says to slaughter the infidel. Not one infidel. Not one group of them. All of them.

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What is the difference between mushrikeen and kuffaar? Are the Jews and Christians mushrikeen or kuffaar?.
Published Date: 2005-02-13
Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:

The kaafir is the one who denies and conceals the truth. The basic meaning of the word kufr in Arabic is concealment. Shirk means devoting worship to anyone or anything other than Allaah.

Kufr may take the form of denying and rejecting, but the mushrik may also believe in Allaah. This is the difference between the mushrik and the kaafir.

Each word may also carry the meaning of the other, so the word kufr may be used in the sense of shirk, and the word shirk may be used in the sense of kufr.




This is a continuations of a discussion we had in another topic and I know what you are trying to do with this quote. In your mind it is the " Ah! Ha! Gotcha Moment. Instruction for Muslims to go out and kill. In particular according to your myopic view of things to go out and kill Christians.

The word used in the Quote is Mushrikun according to my references is the sin of practicing idolatry or polytheism, i.e. the deification or worship of anyone or anything besides the singular God, i.e. Allah. Literally, it means ascribing or the establishment of "partners" placed beside God. Judaism and Christianity are monotheistic faiths.

Further Jesus or in Arabic Isa Is considered as an Islamic Prophit. Among the major world religions, Islam is the only non-Christian faith that recognizes the person of Jesus. Qur'an talks a great amount about Jesus. However, Jesus Christ is the most controversial personality in Islam. In the Qur'an, Jesus is referred to in over ninety verses in fifteen surahs. Islam corroborates that Jesus was born to a virgin, was sinless, performed miracles, and was superior to other prophets. Yet, Islam teaches that Jesus was no more than a prophet. It denies the central message of Christianity by denying Jesus' divinity, crucifixion, and resurrection.

This quote must be looked at in the same light as Exodus 35:2
"Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death."

I worked last Saturday according to this I should be put to death. The Bible! The article of faith for Christianity says I should be put to death for working on the Sabbath. Now you are probably going to obfuscate and tell me that the bible really does not want me killed. Use the same arguments you are going to use to defend Exodus 35:2 and dismiss your Koran quote.
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Reply #77 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 11:38am
 
matty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 12:58am:
Lastone wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:26pm:
matty wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:16pm:
Lastone wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 9:14am:
As a lefty I do not particularly care which sky fairy you follow. I do care about discriminate and hate. I suggest you perform one simple exercise.  The next anti Islamic message you find in this place, replace Muslim with Jew and read it again.  Then go and have a read of some of the Anti-Semitic rubbish printed by Christians. You will be amazed at the similarities.
The irony in this is that those Christians who have fallen victim to Islam phobia have forgotten one of the basic teachings of their sky fairy.
Let those who are without sin cast the first stone.  When one considers that the Holocaust was perpetrated by a so called Christian Nation some of you turkeys should be hanging your heads in shame, not hurling rocks. Rather than defend any sky fairy, I merely expose bigotry and hypocrisy, pointing out the fact you live in a glass house. 


Here we go again with this bs that all religions have extremists and they're all as bad as one another, when it is only one religion going around the world killing people.


History does not count then? If Christians were organising pogroms and Murdering Jews 60 years ago. That does not count because at the moment only Muslims are doing it according to you.


Of course that was bad but we can't do anything to change history, we can only focus on the here and now, and that is that Islam is the only religion going around the world killing people.

But since you actually brought up history, maybe ask yourself why it is that Islam originated about 600 years after Christianity, in the Middle East. Up until that time, the vast majority of people there Jewish or Christian. These days it's over 90% Muslim and Lebanon and Armenia are the only countries with a decent number of Christians, Jews none except Israel. Just ponder on that for a second, see whether you can figure out why that is the case.


So according to you everything that someone who follows a particular faith does, is a problem that can be attributed to that faith. Catholic priest have been abusing children the church even covered up that abuse, so Catholicism is the only religion practicing Pedophilia? 

Yes I did bring up history, and what you are trying to infer is that Islam turned up and butchered all the Jews and Christians. If you believe the bible Jesus was born of Jewish Parents. Did the rise of Christianity occur as a result of murdering Jews or did Jews simply convert to Christianity.

I am unable to post links being a new member, so you will have to do your own verification.......My source for this "New York University Medical Center And School Of Medicine."
"If a common heritage conferred peace, then perhaps the long history of conflict in the Middle East would have been resolved years ago. For, according to a new scientific study, Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, and they all share a common genetic lineage that stretches back thousands of years.

"Jews and Arabs are all really children of Abraham," says Harry Ostrer, M.D., Director of the Human Genetics Program at New York University School of Medicine, an author of the new study by an international team of researchers in the United States, Europe, and Israel. "And all have preserved their Middle Eastern genetic roots over 4,000 years," he says.

The researchers analyzed the Y chromosome, which is usually passed unchanged from father to son, of more than 1,000 men worldwide. Throughout human history, alterations have occurred in the sequence of chemical bases that make up the DNA in this so-called male chromosome, leaving variations that can be pinpointed with modern genetic techniques. Related populations carry the same specific variations. In this way, scientists can track descendants of large populations and determine their common ancestors.

Rather than Islam turning up and butchering Jews and Christians it would appear that simple conversion took place as with the rise of Christianity.
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Reply #78 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 12:40pm
 
Lastone wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:59am:
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:35pm:
I did not ask what it is less than or more than, but thanks for the transparent attempt to change the topic. No surprise there. Or perhaps you were attempting to be on topic? After all, The left attack Christianity but supports Islam, right?

Mushriken means infidel. The verse says to slaughter the infidel. Not one infidel. Not one group of them. All of them.

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What is the difference between mushrikeen and kuffaar? Are the Jews and Christians mushrikeen or kuffaar?.
Published Date: 2005-02-13
Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:

The kaafir is the one who denies and conceals the truth. The basic meaning of the word kufr in Arabic is concealment. Shirk means devoting worship to anyone or anything other than Allaah.

Kufr may take the form of denying and rejecting, but the mushrik may also believe in Allaah. This is the difference between the mushrik and the kaafir.

Each word may also carry the meaning of the other, so the word kufr may be used in the sense of shirk, and the word shirk may be used in the sense of kufr.




This is a continuations of a discussion we had in another topic and I know what you are trying to do with this quote. In your mind it is the " Ah! Ha! Gotcha Moment. Instruction for Muslims to go out and kill. In particular according to your myopic view of things to go out and kill Christians.

The word used in the Quote is Mushrikun according to my references is the sin of practicing idolatry or polytheism, i.e. the deification or worship of anyone or anything besides the singular God, i.e. Allah. Literally, it means ascribing or the establishment of "partners" placed beside God. Judaism and Christianity are monotheistic faiths.

Further Jesus or in Arabic Isa Is considered as an Islamic Prophit. Among the major world religions, Islam is the only non-Christian faith that recognizes the person of Jesus. Qur'an talks a great amount about Jesus. However, Jesus Christ is the most controversial personality in Islam. In the Qur'an, Jesus is referred to in over ninety verses in fifteen surahs. Islam corroborates that Jesus was born to a virgin, was sinless, performed miracles, and was superior to other prophets. Yet, Islam teaches that Jesus was no more than a prophet. It denies the central message of Christianity by denying Jesus' divinity, crucifixion, and resurrection.

This quote must be looked at in the same light as Exodus 35:2
"Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death."


I worked last Saturday according to this I should be put to death. The Bible! The article of faith for Christianity says I should be put to death for working on the Sabbath. Now you are probably going to obfuscate and tell me that the bible really does not want me killed. Use the same arguments you are going to use to defend Exodus 35:2 and dismiss your Koran quote.



' .............. Exodus 35:2
"Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death......... '

is the Old Testament.
It is for Jews only.

You are either unaware of that, or a deceiver.
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Reply #79 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 12:49pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 12:40pm:
Lastone wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:59am:
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:35pm:
I did not ask what it is less than or more than, but thanks for the transparent attempt to change the topic. No surprise there. Or perhaps you were attempting to be on topic? After all, The left attack Christianity but supports Islam, right?

Mushriken means infidel. The verse says to slaughter the infidel. Not one infidel. Not one group of them. All of them.

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What is the difference between mushrikeen and kuffaar? Are the Jews and Christians mushrikeen or kuffaar?.
Published Date: 2005-02-13
Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:

The kaafir is the one who denies and conceals the truth. The basic meaning of the word kufr in Arabic is concealment. Shirk means devoting worship to anyone or anything other than Allaah.

Kufr may take the form of denying and rejecting, but the mushrik may also believe in Allaah. This is the difference between the mushrik and the kaafir.

Each word may also carry the meaning of the other, so the word kufr may be used in the sense of shirk, and the word shirk may be used in the sense of kufr.




This is a continuations of a discussion we had in another topic and I know what you are trying to do with this quote. In your mind it is the " Ah! Ha! Gotcha Moment. Instruction for Muslims to go out and kill. In particular according to your myopic view of things to go out and kill Christians.

The word used in the Quote is Mushrikun according to my references is the sin of practicing idolatry or polytheism, i.e. the deification or worship of anyone or anything besides the singular God, i.e. Allah. Literally, it means ascribing or the establishment of "partners" placed beside God. Judaism and Christianity are monotheistic faiths.

Further Jesus or in Arabic Isa Is considered as an Islamic Prophit. Among the major world religions, Islam is the only non-Christian faith that recognizes the person of Jesus. Qur'an talks a great amount about Jesus. However, Jesus Christ is the most controversial personality in Islam. In the Qur'an, Jesus is referred to in over ninety verses in fifteen surahs. Islam corroborates that Jesus was born to a virgin, was sinless, performed miracles, and was superior to other prophets. Yet, Islam teaches that Jesus was no more than a prophet. It denies the central message of Christianity by denying Jesus' divinity, crucifixion, and resurrection.

This quote must be looked at in the same light as Exodus 35:2
"Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death."


I worked last Saturday according to this I should be put to death. The Bible! The article of faith for Christianity says I should be put to death for working on the Sabbath. Now you are probably going to obfuscate and tell me that the bible really does not want me killed. Use the same arguments you are going to use to defend Exodus 35:2 and dismiss your Koran quote.



' .............. Exodus 35:2
"Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death......... '

is the Old Testament.
It is for Jews only.

You are either unaware of that, or a deceiver.




SO therefore which part of the new testament forbids SSM?
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Reply #80 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 10:23pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 9:56pm:
Yes, why did you bring up jailing John?


when I answered your question the first time no one had mentioned jailing. But you keep pretending if you like.


freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 9:56pm:
No John, you mentioned jailing immediately after I posted this for the first time


bullshit -  does this ring a bell 'It's rather simple, criticise them for what the individual says or does, not for what he believes'

that was said long before I mentioned jail. Now you keep pretending if you like.


You are confused John. You did not answer my question before I asked it. You answered it after I asked it, and in the same post brought up jailing for some reason, then refused to give a straight answer. You already introduced a caveat on it, hence the clarification request. Why is it than in your elaborate efforts to pretend you had already answered the question, you did not include this answer?

John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm:
So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?


a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.


Were you trying to disown it by making it about jailing people rather than criticising them John? If not, why are you so afraid to own it? Why are you afraid to even mention it? It's a simple question John, and well deserved given your penchant for backpedaling.

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John and Leftwinger say that they condemn all religions equally


As long as you go to elaborate lengths to not let it reflect badly on followers of one of those religions.

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bullshit.  - There has never been an incident in this country where the burqa compromised security. Try again


Muslim women have already been busted using the burqa to trick police into believing they were someone else.

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so don't wear it. Meanwhile the women who wear it don't feel oppressed


How do you know this John? Since when do you speak for Muslim women?

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However, the right is definitely no friend of Christianity, and please dont pretend to be either.  Jesus is perhaps the single most well known socialist in the history of mankind.  There are Christian charities helping the needy and the homeless - most these Christians are often labeled as leftist by the right.  Various main stream Christian church also oppose offshore processing of refugees, and indefinite detention
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This is entirely consistent with the conservative Christian narrative, particularly coming from the US. They see this as personal, not government responsibility. It is government mandated charity they oppose. A lot of them are actually very generous privately.
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Reply #81 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm
 
Dis the mythical christ figure not say the laws [of the old testament] still apply?

These sky fairy fanciers sure do change their minds frequently!
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Reply #82 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm:
You are confused John. You did not answer my question before I asked it.


Sure I did. You can put all the variations on the question that you like, I'll alwasy refer you back to that answer.

Good luck with it.
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Reply #83 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:19pm
 
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This is a continuations of a discussion we had in another topic and I know what you are trying to do with this quote.


I was trying to get you to offer an opinion on it, rather than being the cliched stereotype of the thread title. Nice dodge.

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In your mind it is the " Ah! Ha! Gotcha Moment. Instruction for Muslims to go out and kill. In particular according to your myopic view of things to go out and kill Christians.


Perhaps you should try reading what I post rather than reading my mind. You might even make sense.

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The word used in the Quote is Mushrikun according to my references is the sin of practicing idolatry or polytheism, i.e. the deification or worship of anyone or anything besides the singular God, i.e. Allah. Literally, it means ascribing or the establishment of "partners" placed beside God. Judaism and Christianity are monotheistic faiths.


Slaughter the pagans? Oh, that's perfectly alright then. Did you miss the explanation from the Muslim website that said the term could even be used on those who are nominally Muslims?

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This quote must be looked at in the same light as Exodus 35:2
"Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death."


Would you perform the same elaborate tapdance if asked to comment on the old testament verse? Or would you suddenly find your spine?

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Yes I did bring up history, and what you are trying to infer is that Islam turned up and butchered all the Jews and Christians. If you believe the bible Jesus was born of Jewish Parents. Did the rise of Christianity occur as a result of murdering Jews or did Jews simply convert to Christianity.


You brought up the holocaust as if we are being picking about who can slaughter Jews and only criticising Muslims for it, then ran away when it was pointed out to you that we slaughtered Nazis to put an end to it.

Now you bring this up, but how many people did Jesus slaughter in his efforts to convert people to Christianity? How many did Muhammad? How many verses did Jesus dedicate to encouraging Christians to slaughter non-Christians? How many did Muhammad dedicate to encouraging Muslims to slaughter non-Muslims? Run away now.
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Reply #84 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm:
As long as you go to elaborate lengths to not let it reflect badly on followers of one of those religions.


Grin Grin Grin

you are either an idiot and don't understand whats written in front of you, or are being delliberately dishonest.

freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm:
Muslim women have already been busted using the burqa to trick police into believing they were someone else.


then the police did not do their job properly. They have the power already to check identity and have had for ages.

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How do you know this John?


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Reply #85 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:23pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:16pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm:
You are confused John. You did not answer my question before I asked it.


Sure I did. You can put all the variations on the question that you like, I'll alwasy refer you back to that answer.

Good luck with it.


Did you answer the question after I asked it John? Or are you trying to disown that one by pretending you were talking about jailing? Do you stand by your response or not? Honestly, I've never seen someone so afraid of their own opinion.
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Reply #86 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:23pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:16pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm:
You are confused John. You did not answer my question before I asked it.


Sure I did. You can put all the variations on the question that you like, I'll alwasy refer you back to that answer.

Good luck with it.


Did you answer the question after I asked it John? Or are you trying to disown that one by pretending you were talking about jailing? Do you stand by your response or not? Honestly, I've never seen someone so afraid of their own opinion.


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Reply #87 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:37pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Dis the mythical christ figure not say the laws [of the old testament] still apply?

These sky fairy fanciers sure do change their minds frequently!

I don't know: did he or didn't he?
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I did not ask what it is less than or more than, but thanks for the transparent attempt to change the topic. No surprise there. Or perhaps you were attempting to be on topic? After all, The left attack Christianity but supports Islam, right?

Mushriken means infidel. The verse says to slaughter the infidel. Not one infidel. Not one group of them. All of them.

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What is the difference between mushrikeen and kuffaar? Are the Jews and Christians mushrikeen or kuffaar?.
Published Date: 2005-02-13
Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:

The kaafir is the one who denies and conceals the truth. The basic meaning of the word kufr in Arabic is concealment. Shirk means devoting worship to anyone or anything other than Allaah.

Kufr may take the form of denying and rejecting, but the mushrik may also believe in Allaah. This is the difference between the mushrik and the kaafir.

Each word may also carry the meaning of the other, so the word kufr may be used in the sense of shirk, and the word shirk may be used in the sense of kufr.




This is a continuations of a discussion we had in another topic and I know what you are trying to do with this quote. In your mind it is the " Ah! Ha! Gotcha Moment. Instruction for Muslims to go out and kill. In particular according to your myopic view of things to go out and kill Christians.

The word used in the Quote is Mushrikun according to my references is the sin of practicing idolatry or polytheism, i.e. the deification or worship of anyone or anything besides the singular God, i.e. Allah. Literally, it means ascribing or the establishment of "partners" placed beside God. Judaism and Christianity are monotheistic faiths.

Further Jesus or in Arabic Isa Is considered as an Islamic Prophit. Among the major world religions, Islam is the only non-Christian faith that recognizes the person of Jesus. Qur'an talks a great amount about Jesus. However, Jesus Christ is the most controversial personality in Islam. In the Qur'an, Jesus is referred to in over ninety verses in fifteen surahs. Islam corroborates that Jesus was born to a virgin, was sinless, performed miracles, and was superior to other prophets. Yet, Islam teaches that Jesus was no more than a prophet. It denies the central message of Christianity by denying Jesus' divinity, crucifixion, and resurrection.

This quote must be looked at in the same light as Exodus 35:2
"Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death."


I worked last Saturday according to this I should be put to death. The Bible! The article of faith for Christianity says I should be put to death for working on the Sabbath. Now you are probably going to obfuscate and tell me that the bible really does not want me killed. Use the same arguments you are going to use to defend Exodus 35:2 and dismiss your Koran quote.



' .............. Exodus 35:2
"Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death......... '

is the Old Testament.
It is for Jews only.

You are either unaware of that, or a deceiver.

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Kindness is a mark of faith, and whoever has not kindness has not faith.

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