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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #90 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 7:35pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm:
So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?


a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.


Do you stand by this statement or not John? Why are you going to such idiotic lengths to pretend you didn't say it, like insisting you answered the question before it was asked?
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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #91 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:11pm
 
Its come to this

The apologist sympathiser sychophants woukd rather support nazis than condemn their brutal, primitive, pedophile riddled sick CULT.

There is no depth to which they will not sink.

There is no lies they will  not tell

There is no heights of ignorant stoopidity that they will not attain in the protection of their twisted CULT
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A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
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Reply #92 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:19pm
 
No wonder John started backpedaling before he even finished the post.
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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #93 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:29pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 8:13am:
matty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 12:53am:
one that it compromises national security and identity



bullshit.  - There has never been an incident in this country where the burqa compromised security. Try again

matty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 12:53am:
and second that it is a sign of oppression.

so don't wear it. Meanwhile the women who wear it don't feel oppressed

matty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 12:53am:
Honestly, how many women who wear it do you think do so voluntarily?

how many have you spoken to that wear if because they're forced to?

matty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 12:54am:
That's nice dear but we don't need you do post any more pictures of yourself.


see, you've had your head up your arse for so long that you don't even recongise yourself anymore


matty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 12:54am:
It's stale.

still works



Once again, stop projecting yourself onto me. You're an absolute idiot, of course it compromises security. "What did the offender look like?" "Uh, not sure but k think that they may have had two eyes, possibly could make a nose but not entirely sure".

As for saying that the women who wear it don't feel oppressed, you're an absolute bloody idiot. And it only takes one example to provide wrong your point. Take Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Rita Panahi. Both of these ladies were forced to wear it, and have since left Islam and condemn it's ideology.
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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #94 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:34pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:54am:
Actually I disagree.  There are somethings that the left and Christianity do not agree with: for example, the definition of marriage, the acceptance of LGBTI, and attitudes to science from certain smaller section of the Christian Community. 

However, the right is definitely no friend of Christianity, and please dont pretend to be either.  Jesus is perhaps the single most well known socialist in the history of mankind.  There are Christian charities helping the needy and the homeless - most these Christians are often labeled as leftist by the right.  Various main stream Christian church also oppose offshore processing of refugees, and indefinite detention. 

I think, the left does not attack Christianity as such, but rather they are attacking right wing extremities who pretend to be Christians, and bend and twist christian values to suit their own needs.

And left is no supporter of Islam either.  Many human rights activist is are the forefront of combating discrimination world wide including for those from Middle East countries.  In fact, leftist are by defaulting supporting the rights of refugees, homeless, and the disabled.  To point out that its wrong to discriminate people on element of religion does not equate to supporting the same religion.  This important distinction is then perverted by the right to further their own political agenda. 


You're a phu cking m oron. Jesus did promote helping your neighbour and virtues like kindness, but nowhere did he say that it should be up to the state to do so. I am a deeply devout right wing conservative Christian, and I believe in those same virtues, but I do so voluntarily. I give a lot of my time and money to charities, I don't live in the inner city and vote Green or Labor and think that makes me holier than thou.

As for the left being no friend of Islam, then why aren't all these feminists out there condemning the total lack of women's rights in Muslim countries, and oppression through the forced wearing of the burqa, as well as absolutely barbaric and disgusting practices like fgm and child marriage?
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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #95 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 11:33pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:40pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 12:40pm:
Lastone wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:59am:
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:35pm:
I did not ask what it is less than or more than, but thanks for the transparent attempt to change the topic. No surprise there. Or perhaps you were attempting to be on topic? After all, The left attack Christianity but supports Islam, right?

Mushriken means infidel. The verse says to slaughter the infidel. Not one infidel. Not one group of them. All of them.

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What is the difference between mushrikeen and kuffaar? Are the Jews and Christians mushrikeen or kuffaar?.
Published Date: 2005-02-13
Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:

The kaafir is the one who denies and conceals the truth. The basic meaning of the word kufr in Arabic is concealment. Shirk means devoting worship to anyone or anything other than Allaah.

Kufr may take the form of denying and rejecting, but the mushrik may also believe in Allaah. This is the difference between the mushrik and the kaafir.

Each word may also carry the meaning of the other, so the word kufr may be used in the sense of shirk, and the word shirk may be used in the sense of kufr.




This is a continuations of a discussion we had in another topic and I know what you are trying to do with this quote. In your mind it is the " Ah! Ha! Gotcha Moment. Instruction for Muslims to go out and kill. In particular according to your myopic view of things to go out and kill Christians.

The word used in the Quote is Mushrikun according to my references is the sin of practicing idolatry or polytheism, i.e. the deification or worship of anyone or anything besides the singular God, i.e. Allah. Literally, it means ascribing or the establishment of "partners" placed beside God. Judaism and Christianity are monotheistic faiths.

Further Jesus or in Arabic Isa Is considered as an Islamic Prophit. Among the major world religions, Islam is the only non-Christian faith that recognizes the person of Jesus. Qur'an talks a great amount about Jesus. However, Jesus Christ is the most controversial personality in Islam. In the Qur'an, Jesus is referred to in over ninety verses in fifteen surahs. Islam corroborates that Jesus was born to a virgin, was sinless, performed miracles, and was superior to other prophets. Yet, Islam teaches that Jesus was no more than a prophet. It denies the central message of Christianity by denying Jesus' divinity, crucifixion, and resurrection.

This quote must be looked at in the same light as Exodus 35:2
"Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death."


I worked last Saturday according to this I should be put to death. The Bible! The article of faith for Christianity says I should be put to death for working on the Sabbath. Now you are probably going to obfuscate and tell me that the bible really does not want me killed. Use the same arguments you are going to use to defend Exodus 35:2 and dismiss your Koran quote.



' .............. Exodus 35:2
"Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death......... '

is the Old Testament.
It is for Jews only.

You are either unaware of that, or a deceiver.

                  ***  CoolThe old testament is not for jews only: jesus himself refers to it in his teachings!



Yes, Jesus refers to the OT. He was a jew initially.

I suggest you read the bible yourself, page by page.

you either misunderstand it or are a deceiver.
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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #96 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 8:19am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 7:35pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm:
So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?


a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.


Do you stand by this statement or not John? Why are you going to such idiotic lengths to pretend you didn't say it, like insisting you answered the question before it was asked?



why are you going to idiotic lengths to pretend I haven't answered it?

Even when you copy/ paste the answer you claim I haven't answered. Whats wrong with you?
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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #97 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 8:24am
 
matty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 10:29pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 8:13am:
matty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 12:53am:
one that it compromises national security and identity



bullshit.  - There has never been an incident in this country where the burqa compromised security. Try again

matty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 12:53am:
and second that it is a sign of oppression.

so don't wear it. Meanwhile the women who wear it don't feel oppressed

matty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 12:53am:
Honestly, how many women who wear it do you think do so voluntarily?

how many have you spoken to that wear if because they're forced to?

matty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 12:54am:
That's nice dear but we don't need you do post any more pictures of yourself.


see, you've had your head up your arse for so long that you don't even recongise yourself anymore


matty wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 12:54am:
It's stale.

still works



Once again, stop projecting yourself onto me. You're an absolute idiot, of course it compromises security. "What did the offender look like?" "Uh, not sure but k think that they may have had two eyes, possibly could make a nose but not entirely sure".

As for saying that the women who wear it don't feel oppressed, you're an absolute bloody idiot. And it only takes one example to provide wrong your point. Take Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Rita Panahi. Both of these ladies were forced to wear it, and have since left Islam and condemn it's ideology.


I don't care what you think . Like I said, if you don't like it don't wear it. Meanwhile the reality is we've never had a breach of security because of the burqa.

As for the rest of your comment,  I must have made a mistake. When you talked about banning the burqa, it seems I mistakenly thought you were talking about banning it in Australia, not Somalia. Silly me, You are right, they should ban the burqa in Somalia if it's being used to subjugate women.  Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #98 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 1:20pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 8:19am:
freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 7:35pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm:
So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?


a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.


Do you stand by this statement or not John? Why are you going to such idiotic lengths to pretend you didn't say it, like insisting you answered the question before it was asked?



why are you going to idiotic lengths to pretend I haven't answered it?

Even when you copy/ paste the answer you claim I haven't answered. Whats wrong with you?


I'm not the one telling everyone I answerd a question before it was asked. That is you.

I am not the one citing every 'answer' I gave except the one I gave as a direct response. That is you.

I am not the one trying to pretend we were talking about jailing people instead of criticising them. That is you.

I am not the habitual backpedaler who likes to say idiotic things then spend several pages ducking and weaving only to pretend it never happened. That is you.

John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm:
So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate?


a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.


Simple question John. Do you stand by this statement or not?
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Re: The left attack Christianity but supports Islam
Reply #99 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 2:50pm
 
are you still thinking that if you keep asking the same questions over and over I'll keep repeating myself?

Or are you merely hoping I'll contradict myself.

You have three answers on similar questions already. All my answers lead to the same conclusion. If you plan on amending the questions with the hope that the answers will change then you might be waiting a while. I think my position is quite clear. Ask as many times as you want, I'll merely refer you to answers already given.

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