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Re: wife beating in Islam
Reply #135 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:07pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 8:51pm:

Where it's CLEARLY stated Islam does not permit domestic violence and abuse. Your only attempt to hang onto this argument is to try and blur the idea of a disciplinary slap on the wrist with domestic violence, and so far you've failed quite miserably.

Do you think that a slap on a wrist will be able to coerce a woman into following the husband?

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Reply #136 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:11pm

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try and blur the idea of a disciplinary slap on the wrist with domestic violence

Trust me Abu, you are doing a good enough job of blurring that distinction yourself.

Can you explain again for us how a 'slap on the wrist' causes bruising?

When you say Islam permits wife beating for rebelliousness, does this basically mean disobediance - if a wife doesn't do as she is told?

Does Islam say anything about what you can and cannot use to beat your wife with? Can you explain the role of the soggy miswak and the green tree branch in maintaining domestic bliss?

According to Islam, how far is 'too far' when it comes to disciplining your wife? You have mentioned that you see no problem with bruising - can you elaborate?

Does "I hit you because I love you" sum up in a fair way the Islamic philosophy on disciplining rebellious wives?

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Re: wife beating in Islam
Reply #137 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:13pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 8:51pm:

Lisa,

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What do you mean IF??

Perhaps Axle is referring to statements of mine like this one:
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I've stated openly and plainly on many many occasions fd that Islam does NOT permit domestic violence and abuse, but only permits a disciplinary 'slap on the wrist'.

Where it's CLEARLY stated Islam does not permit domestic violence and abuse. Your only attempt to hang onto this argument is to try and blur the idea of a disciplinary slap on the wrist with domestic violence, and so far you've failed quite miserably.

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I much prefer quoting you directly .. and so does Free Diver from what I've seen.

Yeh we can see that...

Abu .. I'm going to give you a few moments to reflect on the rubbish you've just posted.

I strongly urge you .. to do so and to also modify/delete your post.

You see .. in about 10 minutes .. I'm going to come back in here and make an absolute fool of you again.

And I'm getting tired of doing this .. in fact .. I've told you many times I don't particularly enjoy reprimanding you .. nor do I relish the thought of scolding you online.

I'm not your wife Abu ..

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49841 At my desk.	Re: wife beating in Islam Reply #138 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:15pm Now now Lisa, you are being rebellious and not listening. Where is your tent?
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Re: wife beating in Islam
Reply #139 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:20pm

Liifræd,

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Do you think that a slap on a wrist will be able to coerce a woman into following the husband?

The aim is to bring her to her senses. Yes I think it would work in most cases.

fd,

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Can you explain again for us how a 'slap on the wrist' causes bruising?

Since I've never claimed it can, why would I explain it?

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When you say Islam permits wife beating...

Since I didn't claim it does, why would I answer such a question?

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Does Islam say anything about what you can and cannot use to beat your wife with?

Again, Islam doesn't say can beat your wife.

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Can you explain the role of the soggy miswak and the green tree branch in maintaining domestic bliss?

No I cannot. Since Islam does not state any of these things. Like the rest of your post it's concocted from your own delusions.

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Hlysnan Senior Member Offline Riht, Fr[ch275]od[ch333]m, Wærscipe Posts: 449 Burwood Gender:	Re: wife beating in Islam Reply #140 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:27pm abu_rashid wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:20pm: The aim is to bring her to her senses. Yes I think it would work in most cases. Doesn't this count as assault under Australian law? I know that it's not unheard of for the reverse to happen, but what does Islam say of women slapping a man to bring him to his senses?
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: wife beating in Islam Reply #141 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:30pm freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:15pm: Now now Lisa, you are being rebellious and not listening. Where is your tent? LMAO !!!! Actually FD .. I was just reflecting on how good it would be for Abu to be married to me .. even for 10 mins ... he'd never be the same lol
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Re: wife beating in Islam
Reply #142 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:31pm

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Since Islam does not state any of these things.

Any of what things? It was a question Abu.

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Since I've never claimed it can, why would I explain it?

You brought up bruising Abu, not me. I am only asking for clarification. Do you need me to quote you? Am I supposed to make sense of your contradictions myself, or would that be putting words in your mouth?

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Again, Islam doesn't say can beat your wife.

Opps, sometimes I forget to speak Islamic instead of English to you. How about this:

Does Islam say anything about what you can and cannot use to 'discipline' your wife with?

When you say Islam permits 'disciplining' your wife for rebelliousness, does this basically mean disobediance - if a wife doesn't do as she is told?

According to Islam, how far is 'too far' when it comes to 'disciplining' your wife? You have mentioned that you see no problem with bruising - can you elaborate?

Does "I hit you because I love you" sum up in a fair way the Islamic philosophy on 'disciplining' rebellious wives?

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Re: wife beating in Islam
Reply #143 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:37pm

Perhaps Axle is referring to statements of mine like this one:

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I've stated openly and plainly on many many occasions fd that Islam does NOT permit domestic violence and abuse, but only permits a disciplinary 'slap on the wrist'.

Where it's CLEARLY stated Islam does not permit domestic violence and abuse. Your only attempt to hang onto this argument is to try and blur the idea of a disciplinary slap on the wrist with domestic violence, and so far you've failed quite miserably.

- Abu

Ok Abu .. you still stand by this post?

The only reason I'm asking is because I'm about to come in here and kick your arse big time sweetie lol. I'm kinda giving you some warning here lmao

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Re: wife beating in Islam
Reply #144 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:41pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:37pm:

The only reason I'm asking is because I'm about to come in here and kick your arse big time sweetie lol.
I'm kinda giving you some warning here lmao

I think you had better throw your shoes at him instead.
That's more of an insult for for Islamic men.
Make it with high heels Grin

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49841 At my desk.	Re: wife beating in Islam Reply #145 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:42pm I have added 'discipline' to the Islamic lexicon, so that people know how to ask a question of Abu and get an 'open and frank' answer, rather than a deflection about what Abu considers to be wife beating vs 'loving correction'. http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islamic_lexicon
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 109193 Melbourne Gender:	Re: wife beating in Islam Reply #146 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:46pm I just read it freediver Quote: Discipline - used as a verb to describe the process of discouraging rebellious (disobedient) wives from ignoring the commands of their husband. Often called 'wife beating' by less politically correct people, however in Islam it is not considered abuse because the woman deserves it
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: wife beating in Islam Reply #147 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 9:51pm OUCH!!! Wonder where Abu is right now lol
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Re: wife beating in Islam
Reply #148 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 10:14pm

Before I go to sleep, and in addition to my previous questions (please reply to those too)...

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The honoring of the wife in Islam is also evident in the fact that the punishment of beating is permissible in one case only: when she refuses to sleep with him.

You've probably seen this before. Do you think this is a reasonable interpretation of what Islam says on this matter, and do you agree with it?

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: wife beating in Islam Reply #149 - Oct 30^th, 2010 at 10:48pm Ah .. just as I thought .. Abu has fled in fear once more lol ))
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