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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #30 - May 25^th, 2022 at 1:22pm

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With all the cockups, mismanagement and corruption as above, the LNP funding an asylum seeker boat coming to Australia as part of a fear campaign for the irrationally stupid is not beyond the scope of an inept Government on it's way out

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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #31 - May 25^th, 2022 at 1:23pm

Vic wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 1:22pm:

Tampa
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Operation Sovereign Borders
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Operational Matters
20 Orange Ship's Lifeboats at 220K each to "tow them back"
$50M to Cambodia to look after 4 potential Refugees
Refuse NZ Offer to rehouse 150 refugees
Nauru Detention Centre Money Pit
$423 Million to Paladin - PO Box on Kangaroo Island

With all the cockups, mismanagement and corruption as above, the LNP funding an asylum seeker boat coming to Australia as part of a fear campaign for the irrationally stupid is not beyond the scope of an inept Government on it's way out

Especially from Sri Lanka

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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #32 - May 25^th, 2022 at 1:50pm

Vic wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 1:22pm:

Tampa
Children Overboard
Operation Sovereign Borders
Weekly Briefings then None
Operational Matters
20 Orange Ship's Lifeboats at 220K each to "tow them back"
$50M to Cambodia to look after 4 potential Refugees
Refuse NZ Offer to rehouse 150 refugees
Nauru Detention Centre Money Pit
$423 Million to Paladin - PO Box on Kangaroo Island

With all the cockups, mismanagement and corruption as above, the LNP funding an asylum seeker boat coming to Australia as part of a fear campaign for the irrationally stupid is not beyond the scope of an inept Government on it's way out

Absolutely.

And even if they didn't fund it, it's not that hard to believe that Dutton or someone else made a call to Border Patrol and said "Let the next one slip through".

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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #33 - May 25^th, 2022 at 2:21pm

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 8:03pm:

The lefties are appalled by this when Liberals do it, where's the outrage?

A boatload of asylum seekers intercepted by Australian Border Force near Christmas Island on election day has now been returned to Sri Lanka.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/labor-turns-back-election-day-asylum-seek...

Its not a matter of being tough on refugees. It just enforcing the law. But give it time, and you will see the Labor government being weak, allowing anyone who claims to be a refugee to come here and be supported legally and physically, which sounds very humane, until you consider the numbers who qualify.

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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #34 - May 25^th, 2022 at 2:22pm

issuevoter wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 2:21pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 8:03pm:

The lefties are appalled by this when Liberals do it, where's the outrage?

A boatload of asylum seekers intercepted by Australian Border Force near Christmas Island on election day has now been returned to Sri Lanka.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/labor-turns-back-election-day-asylum-seek...

Its not a matter of being tough on refugees. It just enforcing the law. But give it time, and you will see the Labor government being weak, allowing anyone who claims to be a refugee to come here and be supported legally and physically, which sounds very humane, until you consider the numbers who qualify.

In fact we are ignoring international law, as the UN keeps reminding us. We are breaking the law to kill refugees to please racist boomers.

Refugees are not really supported by the government. They rely on charities to survive.

Legally and physically? WTF is that?

The numbers who qualify are irrelevant. Our intake has always been tiny

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Re: Labor are better with asylum seekers
Reply #35 - May 25^th, 2022 at 2:31pm

issuevoter wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 2:21pm:

Gordon wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 8:03pm:

The lefties are appalled by this when Liberals do it, where's the outrage?

A boatload of asylum seekers intercepted by Australian Border Force near Christmas Island on election day has now been returned to Sri Lanka.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/labor-turns-back-election-day-asylum-seek...

Its not a matter of being tough on refugees. It just enforcing the law. But give it time, and you will see the Labor government being weak, allowing anyone who claims to be a refugee to come here and be supported legally and physically, which sounds very humane, until you consider the numbers who qualify.

"allowing anyone who claims to be a refugee to come here"

Yes, that's exactly what's required.

Anyone can claim asylum - this is true under any government, Labor, Liberal, Green, whatever.

Their claims are then assessed, and if they have a legitimate need for protection they are granted refugee status.

Those who don't have a legitimate claim are returned home.

This isn't going to change.

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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #36 - May 25^th, 2022 at 2:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 25^th, 2022 at 2:31pm:

"allowing anyone who claims to be a refugee to come here"

Yes, that's exactly what's required.

Anyone can claim asylum - this is true under any government, Labor, Liberal, Green, whatever.

Their claims are then assessed, and if they have a legitimate need for protection they are granted refugee status.

Those who don't have a legitimate claim are returned home.

This isn't going to change.

This was always the law and Australia has ignored international laws we helped write for 9 years now

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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #37 - May 27^th, 2022 at 11:30am

There has to be WELL FOUNDED fear of persecution and harm. Just wanting a better living standard is not sufficient.

Who is a refugee?
A refugee is a person who has fled their own country because they are at risk of serious human rights violations and persecution there. The risks to their safety and life were so great that they felt they had no choice but to leave and seek safety outside their country because their own government cannot or will not protect them from those dangers. Refugees have a right to international protection.

Who is an asylum-seeker?
An asylum-seeker is a person who has left their country and is seeking protection from persecution and serious human rights violations in another country, but who hasn’t yet been legally recognized as a refugee and is waiting to receive a decision on their asylum claim. Seeking asylum is a human right. This means everyone should be allowed to enter another country to seek asylum.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/refugees-asylum-seekers-and-migrants/

Another country = one other country, not many other countries. The people crossing Ghe Channel are not fleeing France. Mexicans crossing into the US are nor fleeing persecution and human rights violations. Others from outside Mexico should claim asylum in another country nearest to their own and seek asylum there and then if accepted as refugees, seek resettlement from a country that wants to resettle them. Almost none of the boat arrivals from Indonesia were Indonesians, except the boat crew.

With international travel no incomparable cheaper and easier now than when the Refugee Convention was drafted, large number of people from a large number of poor countries embark on country shopping with bogus claims of serious human rights violations and fake claims of persecution.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72349 Gender:	Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees? Reply #38 - May 27^th, 2022 at 7:34pm Boy, turdie has been hitting his stash hard today
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131671 Gender:	Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees? Reply #40 - May 27^th, 2022 at 7:45pm Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2022 at 11:30am: Another country = one other country, not many other countries. Says who? Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?
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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #42 - May 27^th, 2022 at 9:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2022 at 7:45pm:

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2022 at 11:30am:

Another country = one other country, not many other countries.

Says who?

Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?

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another
/əˈnʌðə/

determiner
1. used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further.
"have another drink"

Singular. One other. An other.

Different in Slovenian? Does 'one' mean 'all you want', in Slovenian? Now even grammar is contested by the freaking pwoggy mongs. 'One'?? what do you mean 'one'??? Maths is wacist!!! 'One' is a white supwemacist construct!!

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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #43 - May 28^th, 2022 at 9:45am

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2022 at 9:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2022 at 7:45pm:

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2022 at 11:30am:

Another country = one other country, not many other countries.

Says who?

Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?

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another
/əˈnʌðə/

determiner
1. used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further.
"have another drink"

Singular. One other. An other.

Different in Slovenian? Does 'one' mean 'all you want', in Slovenian? Now even grammar is contested by the freaking pwoggy mongs. 'One'?? what do you mean 'one'??? Maths is wacist!!! 'One' is a white supwemacist construct!!

It's an interesting semantic you've decided to hang your entire argument on.

And from Amnesty International?

What about the UNHCR which we as Australia are a signatory to their convention on Refugees?

Wouldn't that be a better definition to adhere to given our legal obligations under the convention?

https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/asylum-seekers.html

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An asylum-seeker is someone whose request for sanctuary has yet to be processed. Every year, around one million people seek asylum.

National asylum systems are in place to determine who qualifies for international protection. However, during mass movements of refugees, usually as a result of conflict or violence, it is not always possible or necessary to conduct individual interviews with every asylum seeker who crosses a border. These groups are often called ‘prima facie’ refugees.

At UNHCR, we believe that everyone has a right to seek asylum from persecution, and we do our best to protect those who need it.

I can see why you don't want to use that one because it throws your semantics argument out the window.

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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #44 - May 28^th, 2022 at 10:16am

SadKangaroo wrote on May 28^th, 2022 at 9:45am:

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2022 at 9:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 27^th, 2022 at 7:45pm:

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2022 at 11:30am:

Another country = one other country, not many other countries.

Says who?

Can you provide a link to the law you're referring to?

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another
/əˈnʌðə/

determiner
1. used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further.
"have another drink"

Singular. One other. An other.

Different in Slovenian? Does 'one' mean 'all you want', in Slovenian? Now even grammar is contested by the freaking pwoggy mongs. 'One'?? what do you mean 'one'??? Maths is wacist!!! 'One' is a white supwemacist construct!!

It's an interesting semantic you've decided to hang your entire argument on.

And from Amnesty International?

What about the UNHCR which we as Australia are a signatory to their convention on Refugees?

Wouldn't that be a better definition to adhere to given our legal obligations under the convention?

https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/asylum-seekers.html

Quote:

An asylum-seeker is someone whose request for sanctuary has yet to be processed. Every year, around one million people seek asylum.

National asylum systems are in place to determine who qualifies for international protection. However, during mass movements of refugees, usually as a result of conflict or violence, it is not always possible or necessary to conduct individual interviews with every asylum seeker who crosses a border. These groups are often called ‘prima facie’ refugees.

At UNHCR, we believe that everyone has a right to seek asylum from persecution, and we do our best to protect those who need it.

I can see why you don't want to use that one because it throws your semantics argument out the window.

Africans crossing The Channel to England from France to claim asylum - explain to me how that is not a massive and blatant rort of the Refugee Convention' s intentions and spirit.

They entered Europe illegally via Italy, Spain or Greece, travelled across several countries illegally, ALL of which are signatories to the convention, paid people smugglers to transport them across The Channel illegally and then they claim asylum in England.

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