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Reply #15 - May 24th, 2022 at 11:06pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 9:12pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 9:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:26pm:
Where does the article mention refugees?


It is an improvement over illegals.


They would have all had a tale of what makes them a bonafide refuge, real or made up. Albo didn't give them enough time for their stories to be checked out.

So where is the outrage?


Your insane team racial hatred shoved down everyone's throat for over 15 years at least means that while we don't like it we at least understand that Labor are not positioned to do the human thing. Maybe we will slowly see some improvements given time. It is possible that humanity will win in the end.

In the mean time and I mean real mean - ScumBo is gone and the non-humane scallop (PotAto) is now dragging the Liberals down.
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Reply #16 - May 25th, 2022 at 7:30am
 
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:03pm:
The lefties are appalled by this when Liberals do it, where's the outrage?

A boatload of asylum seekers intercepted by Australian Border Force near Christmas Island on election day has now been returned to Sri Lanka.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/labor-turns-back-election-day-asylum-seek...


I remain outraged that Labor mistreat refugees, but I know they are right wing.  If anything, I blame Labor for the dystopian hellscape of our refugee policy.  Labor basically tried to play a populist card to win an election, lost, and have been scared to have morals ever since on this issue
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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #17 - May 25th, 2022 at 10:06am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:10pm:
How many years have we discussed this issue, and still we have people who don't understand the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.

I've read the article in the OP twice, and nowhere does it mention refugees.

So, why is the thread title "Why are Labor so tough on refugees?"

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Most don't know the difference between an immigrant and a refugee/asylum seeker.... an asylum seeker is a refugee who has asked for asylum.... most also don't realise that the very vast majority of ethnic PROBLEMS come with immigrants and not refugees/asylum seekers.
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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #18 - May 25th, 2022 at 10:07am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 10:06am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:10pm:
How many years have we discussed this issue, and still we have people who don't understand the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.

I've read the article in the OP twice, and nowhere does it mention refugees.

So, why is the thread title "Why are Labor so tough on refugees?"

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Most don't know the difference between an immigrant and a refugee/asylum seeker.... an asylum seeker is a refugee who has asked for asylum.... most also don't realise that the very vast majority of ethnic PROBLEMS come with immigrants and not refugees/asylum seekers.



I contend there are  virtually no ethic issues but yes, refugees are always overwhelmingly grateful to be here and keen to contribute
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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #19 - May 25th, 2022 at 10:16am
 
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 9:12pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 9:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:26pm:
Where does the article mention refugees?


It is an improvement over illegals.


They would have all had a tale of what makes them a bonafide refuge, real or made up. Albo didn't give them enough time for their stories to be checked out.

So where is the outrage?


It is SloMo's policy in place - you had no issue with it the last 8 years or more. In fact it was likely not quick enough for you.

You may wonder why you are seldom taken seriously.
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Reply #20 - May 25th, 2022 at 10:16am
 
Labor majority government wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
I'm not getting bogged down in semantics ,  I prefer not to see anyone lose their life at sea irrespective which country ...

Liberals did well stopping Rudd's mess


Liberals were invited to a race to the bottom and responded with glee, to kill refugees
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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #21 - May 25th, 2022 at 10:17am
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 7:30am:
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:03pm:
The lefties are appalled by this when Liberals do it, where's the outrage?

A boatload of asylum seekers intercepted by Australian Border Force near Christmas Island on election day has now been returned to Sri Lanka.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/labor-turns-back-election-day-asylum-seek...


I remain outraged that Labor mistreat refugees, but I know they are right wing.  If anything, I blame Labor for the dystopian hellscape of our refugee policy.  Labor basically tried to play a populist card to win an election, lost, and have been scared to have morals ever since on this issue


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have been scared to have morals ever since on this issue



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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #22 - May 25th, 2022 at 10:30am
 
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 9:12pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 9:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:26pm:
Where does the article mention refugees?


It is an improvement over illegals.


They would have all had a tale of what makes them a bonafide refuge, real or made up. Albo didn't give them enough time for their stories to be checked out.


Says who?

How much time were they given?

Show me an example of Labor being tough on refugees (as is stated in the thread title).

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Re: Labor are so much better with asylum seekers.
Reply #23 - May 25th, 2022 at 10:58am
 
Labor majority government wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
I'm not getting bogged down in semantics ,  I prefer not to see anyone lose their life at sea irrespective which country ...

Liberals did well stopping Rudd's mess


It has nothing to do with semantics - it's about getting the facts straight.

The article is not about refugees - it's about asylum seekers.

Their claims for protection were immediately assessed, and it has been deemed that they have no valid claim.

They were subsequently given health checks and then safely returned to their point of departure.

Well done, Labor.

Under Morrison, or any coalition government, they would have been interned in concentration camps (at huge expense to tax payers) for years, suffered horrible physical and mental abuse, and then pretty much forgotten about.

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Re: Labor are so much better with asylum seekers.
Reply #24 - May 25th, 2022 at 10:59am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 10:58am:
Labor majority government wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
I'm not getting bogged down in semantics ,  I prefer not to see anyone lose their life at sea irrespective which country ...

Liberals did well stopping Rudd's mess


It has nothing to do with semantics - it's about getting the facts straight.

The article is not about refugees - it's about asylum seekers.

Their claims for protection were immediately assessed, and it has been deemed that they have no valid claim.

They were subsequently given health checks and then safely returned to their point of departure.

Well done, Labor.

Under Morrison, or any coalition government, they would have been interned in concentration camps (at huge expense to tax payers) for years, suffered horrible physical and mental abuse, and then pretty much forgotten about.



Honestly, at this point, knowing what I do about our immediate on water determination progress, I would not assume they were not really refugees.
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Re: Labor are so much better with asylum seekers.
Reply #25 - May 25th, 2022 at 11:06am
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 10:59am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 10:58am:
Labor majority government wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
I'm not getting bogged down in semantics ,  I prefer not to see anyone lose their life at sea irrespective which country ...

Liberals did well stopping Rudd's mess


It has nothing to do with semantics - it's about getting the facts straight.

The article is not about refugees - it's about asylum seekers.

Their claims for protection were immediately assessed, and it has been deemed that they have no valid claim.

They were subsequently given health checks and then safely returned to their point of departure.

Well done, Labor.

Under Morrison, or any coalition government, they would have been interned in concentration camps (at huge expense to tax payers) for years, suffered horrible physical and mental abuse, and then pretty much forgotten about.



Honestly, at this point, knowing what I do about our immediate on water determination progress, I would not assume they were not really refugees.


If they really needed protection, then Labor should be utterly ashamed and I'll be the first to condemn Albo and his team.

However, at this stage we have no evidence whatsoever that they had legitimate claims to protection.

Far more likely that it was a setup by the coalition in order to win last minute votes.

The timing of the incident was just too coincidental.

Remember: the coalition, under Abbott, paid people smugglers to turn boats around.

I wouldn't put anything past them.
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Re: Labor are so much better with asylum seekers.
Reply #26 - May 25th, 2022 at 11:09am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 11:06am:
If they really needed protection, then Labor should be utterly ashamed and I'll be the first to condemn Albo and his team.

However, at this stage we have no evidence whatsoever that they had legitimate claims to protection.

Far more likely that it was a setup by the coalition in order to win last minute votes.

The timing of the incident was just too coincidental.

Remember: the coalition, under Abbott, paid people smugglers to turn boats around.

I wouldn't put anything past them.


It seems likely that the coalition encouraged it, or more likely that there's regular boats but they release the news when it's politically convenient.

The whole process is designed so we CAN'T TELL if they were refugees.  No one can work that out with a 5 minute interview on the high seas.

And yes, Abbott did that. We'll never know what Rudd would have done.  But he signalled cruelty and the Liberals dived in with glee.
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Re: Labor are so much better with asylum seekers.
Reply #27 - May 25th, 2022 at 11:22am
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 11:09am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 25th, 2022 at 11:06am:
If they really needed protection, then Labor should be utterly ashamed and I'll be the first to condemn Albo and his team.

However, at this stage we have no evidence whatsoever that they had legitimate claims to protection.

Far more likely that it was a setup by the coalition in order to win last minute votes.

The timing of the incident was just too coincidental.

Remember: the coalition, under Abbott, paid people smugglers to turn boats around.

I wouldn't put anything past them.


It seems likely that the coalition encouraged it, or more likely that there's regular boats but they release the news when it's politically convenient.


Exactly.

The boats never stopped.  Everybody knows that.

The reporting stopped, that's all.

Thank goodness the corrupt & inept Morrison government is gone.

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Reply #28 - May 25th, 2022 at 1:12pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 24th, 2022 at 8:03pm:
The lefties are appalled by this when Liberals do it, where's the outrage?

A boatload of asylum seekers intercepted by Australian Border Force near Christmas Island on election day has now been returned to Sri Lanka.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/labor-turns-back-election-day-asylum-seek...


It's one of their greatest mistakes, but what else can they do?

The Liberal Party, Howard, Abbott and Hockey politicised the issues to the point of no return in terms of common sense.

If Labor ever wanted to ever take the office of Prime Minister again, they had to sacrifice this issue for the good of their overall agenda.

Just like Morrison's claims of Net Zero by 2050.

Where is the righties outrage about that?
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Re: Why are Labor so tough on refugees?
Reply #29 - May 25th, 2022 at 1:18pm
 
I am starting to warm up to Labor already. Glad to have Albanese.
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