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Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data (Read 45501 times)
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Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data
Reply #45 - May 31st, 2021 at 8:45pm
 
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You were the one saying that the satellites were reading skin temperature whilst earth stations measure at 2M. So because of adbiatic lapse rate it gets cooler at higher elevations. That should make the satellite temperatures warmer than the ground station data. So you must be saying that the satellite temperatures are warmer, although that is not the case. Are you three legged? You keep getting tangled and falling down.


Lee, it's really quite simple. If you want to know what I am saying, read what I am saying. I don't know how to dumb it down any further for you.

Why can't you or Ajax give a straight answer to these questions?

As a typical climate skeptic, would you describe it as

a) clever
b) idiotic

to compare predicted global surface temperature with measured tropical troposphere temperatures?

Do you know how satellites measure atmospheric temperature?
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Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data
Reply #46 - Jun 1st, 2021 at 1:06pm
 
freediver wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 8:45pm:
If you want to know what I am saying, read what I am saying. I don't know how to dumb it down any further for you.



That's your trouble petal. Too dumb to dumb down anything. What you need to do is dumb it up from your really low level of understanding. But that is not possible. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

freediver wrote on May 31st, 2021 at 8:45pm:
As a typical climate skeptic, would you describe it as



Already answered petal. You just didn't like it. Too bad. 

You remember NASA; The climate morons?  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data
Reply #47 - Jun 1st, 2021 at 5:43pm
 
I must have missed your straight answer. What was it?

As a typical climate skeptic, would you describe it as

a) clever
b) idiotic

to compare predicted global surface temperature with measured tropical troposphere temperatures?

Do you know how satellites measure atmospheric temperature?
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Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data
Reply #48 - Jun 1st, 2021 at 5:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 1st, 2021 at 5:43pm:
I must have missed your straight answer.



That would make you even more ignorant than you appear. Wink
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Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data
Reply #49 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 5:37pm
 
You don't know what it was either, do you Lee?

As a typical climate skeptic, would you describe it as

a) clever
b) idiotic

to compare predicted global surface temperature with measured tropical troposphere temperatures?

Do you know how satellites measure atmospheric temperature?
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Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data
Reply #50 - Jun 2nd, 2021 at 6:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 5:37pm:
You don't know what it was either, do you Lee?

As a typical climate skeptic, would you describe it as

a) clever
b) idiotic

to compare predicted global surface temperature with measured tropical troposphere temperatures?



Your ignorance is showing again.

The climate models do things in discrete steps. At least 3 -

1. Northern Hemisphere

2. Southern Hemisphere

3. Inter Tropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ)

So the tropical satellite readings are compared to the models ITCZ prediction. eg.-

"Satellite observations and reanalysis data show a narrowing and strengthening of precipitation in the ITCZ over recent decades in both the Atlantic and Pacific basins, but little change in ITCZ location. Consistent with observations, coupled climate models predict no robust change in the zonal-mean ITCZ location over the twenty-first century. However, the majority of models project a narrowing of the ITCZ and weakening mean ascent. Interestingly, changes in ITCZ width and strength are strongly anti-correlated across models. "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30931244/

freediver wrote on Jun 2nd, 2021 at 5:37pm:
Do you know how satellites measure atmospheric temperature?


Yes petal. I told you about MSU/AMSU's.
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Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data
Reply #51 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:13pm
 
Do all climate "skeptics" share your difficulty in giving a straight answer?

As a typical climate skeptic, would you describe it as

a) clever
b) idiotic

to compare predicted global surface temperature with measured tropical troposphere temperatures?

How do satellites measure atmospheric temperature?
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Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data
Reply #52 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:27pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:13pm:
Do all climate "skeptics" share your difficulty in giving a straight answer?



No we merely have trouble with ignoramuses.

freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2021 at 6:13pm:
to compare predicted global surface temperature with measured tropical troposphere temperatures?



The comparison was between predicted global tropical temperatures and measured tropical temperatures.
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Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data
Reply #53 - Jun 3rd, 2021 at 7:21pm
 
"Model results and observed temperature trends are in disagreement in most of the tropical troposphere, being separated by more than twice the uncertainty of the model mean."

http://www.blc.arizona.edu/courses/schaffer/182h/Climate/climatemodel.pdf
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Reply #54 - Jun 4th, 2021 at 6:33pm
 
It's a simple question Lee.

As a typical climate skeptic, would you describe it as

a) clever
b) idiotic

to compare predicted global surface temperature with measured tropical troposphere temperatures?

Also, how do satellites measure atmospheric temperature?
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Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data
Reply #55 - Jun 4th, 2021 at 7:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2021 at 6:33pm:
It's a simple question Lee.



It is a simple question that has been answered. I can't help if you have cognitive dysfunction.
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Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data
Reply #56 - Jun 4th, 2021 at 8:43pm
 
Fossil fuels are solar energy. There is no 'magic' evil human eneery importation from outer space into the economy of the Earth's climate.

Fossil fuels are what plants, mostly, captured of the Sun's energy over a long time.

Here's a question for all the 'scientists' here: what was the point/purpose of capturing all that solar energy in the form of coal, oil and gas? What was Mother gaia thinking? Why IS there sso much sun energy stored in fossil fuels? Some evil fantasy game??

Remember - ALL that energy was transported to Earth? Captured, transformed into fossil fuels - why?
Carbon based life form, carbon fuels, vegetation DEPENDS on exhaling CO2 - ie burning fossil fuels, among other things.


There is absolutely NOTHING man-made happening here. Nothing. Man uses the resources of the Earth.

BAAADD!!!!!!



Well, it's nutty like squirrel poo.


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Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data
Reply #57 - Jun 5th, 2021 at 8:08am
 
lee wrote on Jun 4th, 2021 at 7:18pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2021 at 6:33pm:
It's a simple question Lee.



It is a simple question that has been answered. I can't help if you have cognitive dysfunction.


It has been clumsily dodged.

As a typical climate skeptic, would you describe it as

a) clever
b) idiotic

to compare predicted global surface temperature with measured tropical troposphere temperatures?

Also, how do satellites measure atmospheric temperature?
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Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data
Reply #58 - Jun 5th, 2021 at 10:54am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 5th, 2021 at 8:08am:
to compare predicted global surface temperature with measured tropical troposphere temperatures?


Quite idiotic to compare

1. Measured Temperature in the real world from sophisticated machines like satellites and radiosonde equipment.

with

2. Computer model predicted future temperature outputs, where the information being fed into the computer determines what the outcome will be.

Have you found that hot spot around the equator FD.... Grin Grin Grin

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Also, how do satellites measure atmospheric temperature?


WOW....Still haven't worked that one out have you then stay in the dark ages where you belong.

You see FD once you establish a trend with real world observations (empirical data) this gives you a good platform to make an estimation for the future.

So satellite data gathered the last 40 odd years suggest that we will warm by 1.07°C by end of 21st century.

So we dont have to spend billions on the stock market buying up carbon credits as a nation to keep the temperature rise to under 2°C.

This will happen all on its own.

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
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Re: Climate “skeptics” lie: measured temperature data
Reply #59 - Jun 5th, 2021 at 1:06pm
 
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