https://www.ecowatch.com/worlds-largest-iceberg-breaks-antarctica-2653093274.htm...

yet the science says this is normal and has nothing to do with GW.. how do they know which is which?

Poor petal. Fancy trying to convince people an average of an ensemble (many) models is somehow proof that they are correct. Only one model can be correct.

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2021 at 7:03pm:


Yes the one that NASA, climate morons that they are, endorse.

"The National Space Development Agency of Japan (NASDA) provided AMSR-E to NASA as an indispensable part of Aqua's global hydrology mission. Over the oceans, AMSR-E is measuring a number of important geophysical parameters, including sea surface temperature (SST), wind speed, atmospheric water vapor, cloud water, and rain rate. "

https://podaac.jpl.nasa.gov/dataset/AMSRE-REMSS-L2P-v7a

Wow. Not only SST's Water vapour and rain.

"Our yearly summer school focuses on the topic of "Using Satellite Observations to Advance Climate Models". Students will explore how satellite observations can be used to evaluate and improve climate models, and will hear from a range of speakers on climate model diagnostics and evaluation and remote sensing of the planet."

https://climatesciences.jpl.nasa.gov/events/31/

Maybe you should check NASA's Climate Kids site. It's only slightly above your level of understanding.

Hi FD,
would you be open to the idea that average temperatures
can normally go up and down 1 to 2 degrees
over periods of centuries?

You would be hard pressed to find a climate skeptic these days who is not a complete moron, a dedicated liar, or both. A popular lie is the claim that measured temperature data does not match predictions, usually accompanied by a plot comparing predicted average global surface temperature with measured temperatures from somewhere else, such as the ocean, the tropics, the troposphere etc. These plots often look like they were produced by a primary school student being taught to use microsoft excel, with the data stopping about a decade ago. Pointing out the obvious flaws does not seem to help, they have an endless supply of slightly different versions of the same lie.

This is what you get when you compare predicted average global surface temperature with measured average global surface temperature:

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/study-confirms-climate-models-are-getting-fut
ure-warming-projections-right/

[url]https://climate.nasa.gov/system/internal_resources/details/original/2
299_Updated_CMIP3_Model_Comparisons_Hindcast_Forecast_20210122.JPG[/url]

Here is Ajax comparing the tropics with the global average, and in the same post comparing lower troposphere temperatures with surface temperatures.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1619599858/26#26

Here is Lee comparing ocean temperatures with predicted air temperatures:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1619147859/24#24

Here is Lee comparing troposphere temperatures with surface temperatures, and trying to avoid providing the source:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1619599858/1#1

Here is Lee comparing predictions with measured lower troposphere temperatures. The graph also shows a separate line with different measured data for the surface temperature:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1619147859/17#17

Here is Lee arguing that it is valid to compare surface temperatures with lower troposphere measurements, because the lower troposphere is “where we live”.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1619599858/33#33

Here is Lee providing another graph highlighting the difference between the lower troposphere and the surface:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1619599858/13#13

Here is Lee comparing surface temperatures with mid troposphere measurements:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1619147859/19#19

Wow!  Modelling 0.5 degrees, over 50 years, across the entite globe.

freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2021 at 5:26pm:



I am talking about average global temperatures -
isn't that what you're talking about?

You would be hard pressed to find a climate skeptic these days who is not a complete moron, a dedicated liar, or both. A popular lie is the claim that measured temperature data does not match predictions, usually accompanied by a plot comparing predicted average global surface temperature with measured temperatures from somewhere else, such as the ocean, the tropics, the troposphere etc. These plots often look like they were produced by a primary school student being taught to use microsoft excel, with the data stopping about a decade ago. Pointing out the obvious flaws does not seem to help, they have an endless supply of slightly different versions of the same lie.

This is what you get when you compare predicted average global surface temperature with measured average global surface temperature:

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/study-confirms-climate-models-are-getting-fut
ure-warming-projections-right/

[url]https://climate.nasa.gov/system/internal_resources/details/original/2
299_Updated_CMIP3_Model_Comparisons_Hindcast_Forecast_20210122.JPG[/url]

Here is Ajax comparing the tropics with the global average, and in the same post comparing lower troposphere temperatures with surface temperatures.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1619599858/26#26

Here is Lee comparing ocean temperatures with predicted air temperatures:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1619147859/24#24

Here is Lee comparing troposphere temperatures with surface temperatures, and trying to avoid providing the source:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1619599858/1#1

Here is Lee comparing predictions with measured lower troposphere temperatures. The graph also shows a separate line with different measured data for the surface temperature:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1619147859/17#17

Here is Lee arguing that it is valid to compare surface temperatures with lower troposphere measurements, because the lower troposphere is “where we live”.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1619599858/33#33

Here is Lee providing another graph highlighting the difference between the lower troposphere and the surface:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1619599858/13#13

Here is Lee comparing surface temperatures with mid troposphere measurements:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1619147859/19#19

Quote:


You are confused.

Bobby. wrote on May 26^th, 2021 at 10:33pm:


Sure.

If you are trying to make a point Bobby, try making it. I'm not going to do your homework for you.