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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #45 - Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:46am

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:40am:

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:22am:

Penalty rate cuts have not created one single job

The Commission, in addition to business groups, argued the cuts will lead to economic growth and an increase in jobs and work hours.

However, this week the small business lobby admitted none of that has happened.

Council of Small Business Australia chief executive Peter Strong said the reduction in workers’ pay has been a “waste of time” and had not created one single job.

“There’s no extra jobs on a Sunday.

“There’s been no extra hours. Certainly, I don’t know anyone (who gave workers extra hours).

“It’s been just a waste of time.”

Greg didn't want to miss out on the opportunity to tell lies on behalf of the union.

And speaking on behalf of unions, he felt no shame in using ignorance as evidence. I expect the irony will be lost.

That was an extract from the chief executive of the council of small business. .. an employer group, not a union, that lobbied for penalty rate cuts in the first place Cheesy

Who made this claim?

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Penalty rate cuts have not created one single job

I'll give you a hint: it was a liar.

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #46 - Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:47am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:34am:

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:16am:

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Show me a model where the penalty rate drop could justify additional employment or Hours ?

You are asking me to explain the bleeding obvious. You do realise that, right?

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The business community Cleary stated that it would not do this after the Fair work decision had been made even though they argued the opposite to the hearing.

Do you know how I can tell you are lying without even looking into it? It's when you attribute specific statements to an amorphous group of people.

The articles from business groups were posted at the time - it is real.

I asked you to explain nothing just to show me a workable business model. That is black and white. I can save you the time and tell you it cannot be done using a realistic scenario. There is only one exception and it only works at the very top end and not in small to medium businesses.

That is if you can use economy of scale to generate enough saving from penalty rate cuts to finance additional overhead in either hours or wages.

So you want me to show you a workable business model without explaining anything? And you consider this to be "black and white"?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #47 - Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:55am freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:46am: I'll give you a hint: it was a liar. prove it dopey. Sticking your head up your arse and crying 'liar, liar' just doesn't cut it
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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #48 - Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:56am

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:55am:

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:46am:

I'll give you a hint: it was a liar.

prove it dopey. Sticking your head up your arse and crying 'liar, liar' just doesn't cut it

It is a claim that as far as I know, only you and Greg have made. I don't have to prove anything. You made it up. You lied. You cannot back it up. What else is there to do?

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #49 - Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:58am

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:56am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:55am:

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 9:46am:

I'll give you a hint: it was a liar.

prove it dopey. Sticking your head up your arse and crying 'liar, liar' just doesn't cut it

It is a claim that as far as I know, only you and Greg have made. I don't have to prove anything. You made it up. You lied. You cannot back it up. What else is there to do?

I've provided ample evidence. If you think I'm wrong, either show your evidence or stop pretending you have a clue.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53061 At my desk.	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #50 - Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:00am You did not provide evidence. You lied. Here it is again: John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2020 at 6:36pm: But when rates were cut, it was found that they didn't create a single job Your ignorance does not count as evidence John.
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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #51 - Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:04am

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:00am:

You did not provide evidence. You lied. Here it is again:

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2020 at 6:36pm:

But when rates were cut, it was found that they didn't create a single job

Your ignorance does not count as evidence John.

From the Chief executive of an employer group that lobbied for the penalty rate cuts in the first place:

Council of Small Business Australia chief executive Peter Strong said the reduction in workers’ pay has been a “waste of time” and had not created one single job.

you're turn FD. .. either provide evidence for your stupidity or run away and hide

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #52 - Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:18am

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:04am:

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:00am:

You did not provide evidence. You lied. Here it is again:

John Smith wrote on Oct 17^th, 2020 at 6:36pm:

But when rates were cut, it was found that they didn't create a single job

Your ignorance does not count as evidence John.

From the Chief executive of an employer group that lobbied for the penalty rate cuts in the first place:

Council of Small Business Australia chief executive Peter Strong said the reduction in workers’ pay has been a “waste of time” and had not created one single job.

you're turn FD. .. either provide evidence for your stupidity or run away and hide

No he didn't. You are full of poo John. Lying comes so naturally to you that you do not even realise you are doing it.

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #54 - Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:44am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:43am:

Council of Small Business Australia chief executive Peter Strong said the reduction in workers’ pay has been a “waste of time” and had not created one single job.

https://sites.supportah.com.au/fwcm/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/04/Peter-Str...

Peter Strong – Council of Small Business, says penalty rate cuts have not created a single job.

You are lying Greg. Even when I point it out to you, you cannot figure it out. This is the sort of self delusion that unions are built on.

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #55 - Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:57am

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:43am:

Council of Small Business Australia chief executive Peter Strong said the reduction in workers’ pay has been a “waste of time” and had not created one single job.

https://sites.supportah.com.au/fwcm/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/04/Peter-Str...

Peter Strong – Council of Small Business, says penalty rate cuts have not created a single job.

You are lying Greg. Even when I point it out to you, you cannot figure it out. This is the sort of self delusion that unions are built on.

I'm not Peter Strong.

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #56 - Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:59am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:57am:

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:43am:

Council of Small Business Australia chief executive Peter Strong said the reduction in workers’ pay has been a “waste of time” and had not created one single job.

https://sites.supportah.com.au/fwcm/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/04/Peter-Str...

Peter Strong – Council of Small Business, says penalty rate cuts have not created a single job.

You are lying Greg. Even when I point it out to you, you cannot figure it out. This is the sort of self delusion that unions are built on.

I'm not Peter Strong.

And you do not appear to know what the difference between a quote and a lie is. Which makes you very useful to the unions.

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #57 - Nov 1^st, 2020 at 11:08am

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:57am:

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:43am:

Council of Small Business Australia chief executive Peter Strong said the reduction in workers’ pay has been a “waste of time” and had not created one single job.

https://sites.supportah.com.au/fwcm/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/04/Peter-Str...

Peter Strong – Council of Small Business, says penalty rate cuts have not created a single job.

You are lying Greg. Even when I point it out to you, you cannot figure it out. This is the sort of self delusion that unions are built on.

I'm not Peter Strong.

And you do not appear to know what the difference between a quote and a lie is. Which makes you very useful to the unions.

A quote can be both a quote and a lie.

I can't be Peter Strong though.

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #58 - Nov 1^st, 2020 at 11:09am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 11:08am:

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:57am:

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2020 at 10:43am:

Council of Small Business Australia chief executive Peter Strong said the reduction in workers’ pay has been a “waste of time” and had not created one single job.

https://sites.supportah.com.au/fwcm/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/04/Peter-Str...

Peter Strong – Council of Small Business, says penalty rate cuts have not created a single job.

You are lying Greg. Even when I point it out to you, you cannot figure it out. This is the sort of self delusion that unions are built on.

I'm not Peter Strong.

And you do not appear to know what the difference between a quote and a lie is. Which makes you very useful to the unions.

A quote can be both a quote and a lie.

I can't be Peter Strong though.

Yes Greg. You are lying. On behalf of the unions. Without even realising it apparently. People like you are special resources for organisations like unions.

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #59 - Nov 1^st, 2020 at 12:10pm

Things that create unemployment:-

Poor management that results in massive overheads and poor performance in the market.
Inability to stick to the rules that causes company collapse.
Globalising industries so as to ensure incomes for corporations via use of virtual slave and child labour.
Government weakness in standing up to businesses that will not play by the rules.
The mad government concept that by spreading the 'wealth' around, all in the world will one day be 'equal'.
Reduction of genuine employment opportunity through offshoring profits and concentrating profits into 'deadstock' items for tax concession purposes.

Add as you see fit.

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