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Re: Pell walks
Reply #60 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 3:05pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:45pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:35pm:

Also wondering how anyone on the jury now feels.

I hope they are feeling considerable regret they failed an innocent man.

Or they could be thinking holy bugger did no one see the trial?

And they'd be wrong. Everyone saw it. Even the Appeal Court saw it, and even the High Court saw it.

They farqed up royally as did two Victorian Appeal Court Judges...and if you like, I'll go further....to the original Trial Judges who should never have allowed the Jury to get their hands on it. There never ever was enough evidence upon which a properly instructed Jury could safely convict.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Pell walks Reply #61 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 3:06pm t often I agree with lefties on here.. but that trial had far too many holes in it..I am surprised not one juror felt that was the case... we dont know really if some jurors get bullied into agreeing do we?..
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Pell walks Reply #62 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 3:07pm cods wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 3:06pm: t often I agree with lefties on here.. but that trial had far too many holes in it..I am surprised not one juror felt that was the case... we dont know really if some jurors get bullied into agreeing do we?.. We don't. I guess as someone said we have the right decision in law today
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Reply #63 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 3:20pm

Having watched that Victorian appeal live on TV, I was very impressed with Weinberg (the disenting judge) so it is interesting that the High Court found 7 to zip the same as Weinberg.

I thought from recollection Weinberg seemed to ask more delving questions during that appeal and seemed more switched on.

“Weinberg is regarded as one of the great authorities on criminal law in this country. He’s spoken of as a man who ought by right to have sat on the High Court. His questioning during the appeal (by Pell) in June was particularly lucid.”

https://thesydneyinstitute.com.au/blog/anti-pell-media-pile-on-has-its-day-despi...

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5872 Gender:	Re: Pell walks Reply #64 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 3:47pm None of us has enough information to know if Pell was guilty or not. The fact that all seven high court judges agreed the conviction should be quashed shows that there was something fundamentally wrong with the prosecution case.
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Reply #65 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:16pm

Belgarion wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 3:47pm:

None of us has enough information to know if Pell was guilty or not. The fact that all seven high court judges agreed the conviction should be quashed shows that there was something fundamentally wrong with the prosecution case.

Agree !

Not sure if this is true but

There is some suggestion that maybe the trial judge didnt direct the jury correctly to make sure they considered any reasonable doubt raised by the other witnesses testimonies

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #66 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:33pm

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:15am:

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:12am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 10:13am:

nope ... i don't agree. He covered up abuse and should be jailed for it

He wasn't charged with that.

he should have been

Completely irrelevant.

no it's not. The dog should be in jail. The rest is semantics

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Reply #67 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:38pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 3:07pm:

cods wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 3:06pm:

t often I agree with lefties on here.. but that trial had far too many holes in it..I am surprised not one juror felt that was the case...

we dont know really if some jurors get bullied into agreeing do we?..

We don't.

I guess as someone said we have the right decision in law today

right or wrong there are 7 judges handing down their judgement all would have more knowledge about the law and interpretations than any of us......

all I know is if that had been me on trial I would have been less than satisfied justice had been served...

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Reply #68 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:39pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:33pm:

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:15am:

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:12am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 10:13am:

nope ... i don't agree. He covered up abuse and should be jailed for it

He wasn't charged with that.

he should have been

Completely irrelevant.

no it's not. The dog should be in jail. The rest is semantics

What will be interesting is whether the Royal Commission into Child Sexual Abuse's findings in relation to Pell, which have been redacted so as not to influence Pells trial are going to be released.

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #69 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:39pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:33pm:

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:15am:

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:12am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 10:13am:

nope ... i don't agree. He covered up abuse and should be jailed for it

He wasn't charged with that.

he should have been

Completely irrelevant.

no it's not. The dog should be in jail. The rest is semantics

I guess you are totally wrong, now. You'll just have to suck it up.

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Reply #70 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:40pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:32pm:

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:37am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:29am:

Good decision.

Yadda said....

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IMO, Pell's conviction was fundamentally unsafe.

No person should be convicted in a court of law, in Australia, on the evidence accusation of ONE witness.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1551687942/5#5

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1565844268/19#19

It was one person's word against another's.

Very strange.

Pell didn't give evidence.

Rubbish. He did at the Royal Commission.

it's come out that some previously redacted testimony at the RC may now be released to the public

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39470 Gender:	Re: Pell walks Reply #71 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:41pm Yes, and that is great.
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Re: Pell walks
Reply #72 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:42pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:33pm:

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:15am:

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:12am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 10:13am:

nope ... i don't agree. He covered up abuse and should be jailed for it

He wasn't charged with that.

he should have been

Completely irrelevant.

no it's not. The dog should be in jail. The rest is semantics

I guess you are totally wrong, now. You'll just have to suck it up.

wrong about what? he should be in jail. That stands irrespective of this case. This case has nothing to do with his covering up abuse for decades.

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Reply #73 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:43pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:33pm:

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:15am:

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:12am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 10:13am:

nope ... i don't agree. He covered up abuse and should be jailed for it

He wasn't charged with that.

he should have been

Completely irrelevant.

no it's not. The dog should be in jail. The rest is semantics

What will be interesting is whether the Royal Commission into Child Sexual Abuse's findings in relation to Pell, which have been redacted so as not to influence Pells trial are going to be released.

one of the liberal buggerwits in govt. was on tv saying some of it would be. He wasn't sure how much though because he'd have to first find out if there were further cases before the courts, or if he was still being investigated by police.

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 22315 ACT Gender:	Re: Pell walks Reply #74 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 4:48pm Another interesting thing to me was the complainants lawyers were interviewed on SkyNews today and talked of a civil case against Pell can someone explain how this can occur after todays findings OJ Simpson comes to mind, did something like that happen with him? Perhaps our resident lawyers Aussie and BO can explain.
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