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Re: ScoMo still shines in Newspoll
Reply #15 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 9:53am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 9:35am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 8:43am:
It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will not win a Federal election in this country.

This figure is a worry for Albo:

Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)]



Labor will never win a general election with Albo as leader.

They're too stupid to understand that, though.

If they don't change leaders before the next election, they're going to hand Morrison - the most corrupt & inept leader in this nation's history - another undeserved victory.

They could be in opposition for quite some time if they don't wake up to themselves.



The problem is that this has been said about the last 3 or 4 labor leaders

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Re: ScoMo still shines in Newspoll
Reply #16 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 9:59am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 9:53am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 9:35am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 8:43am:
It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will not win a Federal election in this country.

This figure is a worry for Albo:

Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)]



Labor will never win a general election with Albo as leader.

They're too stupid to understand that, though.

If they don't change leaders before the next election, they're going to hand Morrison - the most corrupt & inept leader in this nation's history - another undeserved victory.

They could be in opposition for quite some time if they don't wake up to themselves.



The problem is that this has been said about the last 3 or 4 labor leaders

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True, Labor has a real problem with its leadership ... just look at the sorry list:


Kim Beazley..... 5 years, 248 days      
Simon Crean..... 2 years, 10 days      
Mark Latham..... 1 year,  57 days      
Kim Beazley..... 1 year,  310 days      
Kevin Rudd..... 3 years, 202 days
Julia Gillard..... 3 years, 2 days
Kevin Rudd..... 79 days
Bill Shorten.....  5 years, 7 months, 17 days
Albo..... 148  days and counting.

What a sorry tale of ineptitude.  Shocked
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Re: ScoMo still shines in Newspoll
Reply #17 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 10:04am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 9:53am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 9:35am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 8:43am:
It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will not win a Federal election in this country.

This figure is a worry for Albo:

Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)]



Labor will never win a general election with Albo as leader.

They're too stupid to understand that, though.

If they don't change leaders before the next election, they're going to hand Morrison - the most corrupt & inept leader in this nation's history - another undeserved victory.

They could be in opposition for quite some time if they don't wake up to themselves.



The problem is that this has been said about the last 3 or 4 labor leaders

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Albo is a decent guy.

He's smart, and has a genuine interest in helping fellow Australians.

The voting public don't care about that, though.

Morrison is living proof: he's as dumb as a box of hammers, and doesn't have an altruistic bone is his happy clapping body, yet the Australian public voted him - and his corrupt coalition partners in crime - back into government.

Albo's main problem is his reluctance to align himself with the Unions.

That, and his complicated policies.

Three word, one syllable slogans - that's all the stupid voting public cares about.

"Stop The Boats".


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Re: ScoMo still shines in Newspoll
Reply #18 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 10:06am
 
Silly old Gweggy is trying to sound intelligent with guff from 50 years ago when the Pommy Shop Stewards were wrecking Australia.

The trouble is the day of the Pommy Shop stewards coming out here to run the unions is over as the unions are finished and are dragging Labor under.
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Re: ScoMo still shines in Newspoll
Reply #19 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 12:20pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 9:35am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 8:43am:
It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will not win a Federal election in this country.

This figure is a worry for Albo:

Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)]



Labor will never win a general election with Albo as leader.

They're too stupid to understand that, though.

If they don't change leaders before the next election, they're going to hand Morrison - the most corrupt & inept leader in this nation's history - another undeserved victory.

They could be in opposition for quite some time if they don't wake up to themselves.

Many said the Coalition would never win an election with Abbott as leader.

We should wait and see on Albo's chances, but you underestimate Albo at your peril. He's as cunning as a dunny rat and will have Scummo's measure.

For an example, take a look at how Labor has handled Question Time since Albo became Labor leader. Labor's questions are much shorter and get straight to the point, leaving little room for "relevant" digressions. Labor will often target a weak Minister with a series of questions over multiple days to put them under maximum pressure. Angus Taylor is a particular favourite target. Labor's even asked questions that they knew were out of order just to put their allegations in the Hansard record under parliamentary privilege. Labor's tactics have caused government frontbenchers to lose their cool more than once. The money shot was getting Scummo to lose his temper and go all shouty, which allows Labor to assassinate the faux "daggy drunkard dad" persona in the next election campaign.

Where Albo fails currently is in supporting too much government legislation. Albo should copy Abbott's "Dr No" tactics and oppose a lot more of it. In opposition, bad laws should be opposed, in government they should be repealed.

Nevertheless, Albo has recorded a 12-point shift in his net satisfaction rating in three weeks. That's significant. We should wait and see.
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Re: ScoMo still shines in Newspoll
Reply #20 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 12:32pm
 
Bam wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 12:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 9:35am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 8:43am:
It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will not win a Federal election in this country.

This figure is a worry for Albo:

Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)]



Labor will never win a general election with Albo as leader.

They're too stupid to understand that, though.

If they don't change leaders before the next election, they're going to hand Morrison - the most corrupt & inept leader in this nation's history - another undeserved victory.

They could be in opposition for quite some time if they don't wake up to themselves.

Many said the Coalition would never win an election with Abbott as leader.

We should wait and see on Albo's chances, but you underestimate Albo at your peril. He's as cunning as a dunny rat and will have Scummo's measure.



Don't get me wrong - I think Albo would do a very good job as PM.

Certainly 100 1,000,000 times better than anything the corrupt & inept coalition can put forward (just look at how appalling Morrison is).

However, I just don't see the public warming to him.

And, without the support of the Unions, he's fighting an uphill battle.

Albo has the experience and intelligence to do the job well.

However, Australian voters are stupid.

This was proven in May this year.

Incredibly stupid.

In order for Albo to win, he'll need to stoop to the level of scum bags like Dutton.

"Stop The Boats!"
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Re: ScoMo still shines in Newspoll
Reply #21 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 12:35pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 10:04am:
Albo's main problem is his reluctance to align himself with the Unions.

That, and his complicated policies.

Three word, one syllable slogans - that's all the stupid voting public cares about.

"Stop The Boats".

It's too soon for Labor's new policies. If Albo's tight focus in Question Time is any guide, I expect Labor's going to take more focused policies to the next election.

Some slogans that I would like to see:

* "Clean out Corruption"
* "Stop the Rorts"

The first time these are mentioned can come with detail:

* "Clean out Corruption" (a national integrity commission with strong powers, inquiries into the Coalition's numerous dodgy closed tenders, a Royal Commission into money laundering at Australian casinos, more transparency with political donations, etc.)
* "Stop the Rorts" (multiple government programs being used to porkbarrel in marginal seats, water entitlements being abused, etc.)

Then the slogan can stand in for the policy packages. See how the Coalition's corruption and malfeasance is boiled down into two simple slogans?
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Re: ScoMo still shines in Newspoll
Reply #22 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 12:37pm
 
[quote author=madmonk link=1573417092/9#9 date=1573425803]It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will [b]not [/b]win a Federal election in this country.

This figure is a worry for Albo:

Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)][/quote]

Why us it sad that someone who doesn't win doesn't win?

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Reply #23 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 12:39pm
 
Bam wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 12:35pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 10:04am:
Albo's main problem is his reluctance to align himself with the Unions.

That, and his complicated policies.

Three word, one syllable slogans - that's all the stupid voting public cares about.

"Stop The Boats".

It's too soon for Labor's new policies. If Albo's tight focus in Question Time is any guide, I expect Labor's going to take more focused policies to the next election.

Some slogans that I would like to see:

* "Clean out Corruption"
* "Stop the Rorts"

The first time these are mentioned can come with detail:

* "Clean out Corruption" (a national integrity commission with strong powers, inquiries into the Coalition's numerous dodgy closed tenders, a Royal Commission into money laundering at Australian casinos, more transparency with political donations, etc.)
* "Stop the Rorts" (multiple government programs being used to porkbarrel in marginal seats, water entitlements being abused, etc.)

Then the slogan can stand in for the policy packages. See how the Coalition's corruption and malfeasance is boiled down into two simple slogans?


Good idea and fits I. With greggerys idea of 3 word slogans. Also those slogans should resonate with Aussie's who are sick of the corruption.

They won't do it Sad

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Reply #24 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 1:49pm
 
[quote author=Spot_of_Borg link=1573417092/22#22 date=1573439842][quote author=madmonk link=1573417092/9#9 date=1573425803]It is a (sad) fact that a leader who cannot score over 40% as preferred PM will [b]not [/b]win a Federal election in this country.

This figure is a worry for Albo:

Preferred PM: Morrison 46 (-1) Albanese 32 (0) [Don't know 22 (+1)][/quote]

Why us it sad that someone who doesn't win doesn't win?

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It's sad that people vote on a "presidential" basis rather than on policy.

Hence, a very popular leader may be elected on poor policy and a very unpopular leader may lose on good policy.

However, that's the way it is in Oz. We supposedly have a different electoral process but we wind up voting on how we perceive one particular party leader  vs another.


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Reply #25 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 2:11pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
It's sad that people vote on a "presidential" basis rather than on policy.

Hence, a very popular leader may be elected on poor policy and a very unpopular leader may lose on good policy.

However, that's the way it is in Oz. We supposedly have a different electoral process but we wind up voting on how we perceive one particular party leader  vs another.





Or, in the case of the USA, a very unpopular candidate was elected on a platform of policy lies.

Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million votes, even though Clinton was extremely unpopular herself.

Moreover, his major policy platform was building a wall and getting Mexico to pay for it.

After three years, not one single inch of new wall and not a single peso from Mexico.

Things are very different now.

Nice guys with good policies aren't guaranteed the top job anymore.

You only have to look at Trump, Morrison, and Boris Johnson to see that.

Three thoroughly corrupt & inept buffoons who have absolutely no idea what they're doing.

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Re: ScoMo still shines in Newspoll
Reply #26 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 2:29pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 2:11pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
It's sad that people vote on a "presidential" basis rather than on policy.

Hence, a very popular leader may be elected on poor policy and a very unpopular leader may lose on good policy.

However, that's the way it is in Oz. We supposedly have a different electoral process but we wind up voting on how we perceive one particular party leader  vs another.





Or, in the case of the USA, a very unpopular candidate was elected on a platform of policy lies.

Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million votes, even though Clinton was extremely unpopular herself.

Moreover, his major policy platform was building a wall and getting Mexico to pay for it.

After three years, not one single inch of new wall and not a single peso from Mexico.

Things are very different now.

Nice guys with good policies aren't guaranteed the top job anymore.

You only have to look at Trump, Morrison, and Boris Johnson to see that.

Three thoroughly corrupt & inept buffoons who have absolutely no idea what they're doing.



nobody believes your fake news and lies groggy

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Reply #27 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 4:17pm
 
itisthelight is right onto Gweggy the FAKE NEWS VIRUS from WA and his fake news from 50 years ago. Is Gweggy going senile ?   Sounds like it.

You can tell ScoMo's endless successes are tearing the Lefties apart as they see Albo becoming a disciple of ScoMo and trying to be like him and copying the successful Lib's policies.

Do the disillusioned Lefties think Albo is a traitor to Socialism ?
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Reply #28 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 6:06pm
 
Anthony Albanese is in the same mould as Kim Beazley....Decent honest men who lack charisma and a killer instinct....People just do not think these blokes are tough enough to do the job IMO???

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Reply #29 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 6:08pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 6:06pm:
Anthony Albanese is in the same mould as Kim Beazley....Decent honest men who lack charisma and a killer instinct....People just do not think these blokes are tough enough to do the job IMO???

Huh Huh Huh


Which is kinda ridiculous really. Why do they need to be so tough? Good policies should be all they need (and neither party has those anymore).

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