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Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:53am
 
How not to get sacked for sexism


“I feel sorry for my husband, he just doesn’t know how to act any more.”

This came from a friend musing over how confusing the #metoo movement has made life for men. Her husband is a corporate consultant and is apparently living in fear of being accused of sexism in the workplace.

My response was the most obvious. “Is he sexist?” Because if he’s not then he doesn’t need to worry.

My friend assures me her husband is not sexist. Still, he lives in fear of being accused of sexism and being subsequently embarrassed and sacked over it.

Really? Is it that hard to engage in a civil conversation with a woman without saying something that offends her, gets you hauled in for coaching sessions with an HR manager or censured on social media?

It’s not the first time I’ve heard this. People talk about how men feel as though they’re constantly walking on egg shells and are therefore unable to be themselves anymore.

There are reports of men claiming they can’t risk mentoring women anymore for fear of being accused of sexual harassment.

Allow me to put your fears to rest. The definition of what constitutes sexist behaviour hasn’t changed.

Sexism and harassment have never been acceptable.

It was never appropriate to sexually degrade a woman in a workplace, or anywhere else for that matter. The only thing that has changed is that it’s harder for perpetrators to get away with it now.

Women have not become more thin-skinned, or precious snowflakes. We are not sitting around in our covens scheming the demise of men. It’s just that now, when men treat us badly we are more inclined to speak up about it and people in authority are more likely to act.

The #metoo movement is approaching its second anniversary and there have been countless opportunities across business, media, sport and even the churches for men to watch, listen and learn the lesson that sexism is no longer tolerated.

I’m sure I’m not the only one who shakes my head in bewilderment every time someone gets outed and disgraced for sexism.

Did former AFL stars Scott Cummings and Dane Swan not realise that joking and laughing about sexual assault on their Humpday podcast would lead to a backlash?

How many more examples do these men need to learn that (fortunately) sexually degrading women is no longer socially acceptable? Cummings’s subsequent sacking by radio station 3AW should have been a surprise to precisely no-one.

Cummings — to his lasting credit — issued a decent apology and appears to have learned from the experience.

But still, the question remains, how did he not know already that vulgar sexism was unacceptable and career limiting? Did this whole “don’t sexually degrade women” rule really creep up on Cummings and others? It’s as if the world changed overnight and these blokes’ names were left off the group email.

One explanation could be that these men just assume that the rules simply don’t apply to them. Perhaps having attained a measure of success in their field makes some men feel as though they’re above criticism.

Or perhaps it is possible that some men really don’t understand the difference between sexism and a joke. They fear that in the #metoo era “good guys” are getting tarred with the same brush as “bad guys”.

But here’s the thing, sexism is not about being a good or a bad guy. Sexism is about power and once you remove the power factor, the difference between sexism and harmless fun becomes very obvious.

If you feel confused about what is and what isn’t acceptable, here’s a simple rule to live by: if you wouldn’t say it (or do it) to a woman who’s your boss, then don’t say it (or do it) to any other woman (or any man, for that matter).

Let’s try this rule out in some real-life situations.

Imagine you’re Scott Cummings or Dane Swan testing out your material on your female CEO. Would you think that jokes about performing sex acts on sleeping or ill women were appropriate?

I didn’t think so.

If you think the female chair of your board is talking too much, do you talk over her and then quip that women never shut up and need to get in the kitchen to make you a sandwich?

I’m betting that’s another no.

If your major corporate clients are women, do you invite them to network at a “super sexy” golf event like the one recently organised in the UK, promising the “sexiest and naughtiest golf day” with plenty of free booze and “naked women”.

Of course not.

See, it’s not that confusing at all.


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Reply #1 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 6:42am
 
You're overlooking the clear 'guilt by accusation' aspect that has crept into such things ..... a serious danger to the rule of Law that I pointed out to the NSW Law Reform Commission when it was considering 'domestic violence laws' way back in 1992.  Such deeming has indeed crept its way slowly into any issue between men and women... and not in a two-handed way, either.
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Reply #2 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:24am
 
Is this question sexist? What would be the result of a match between Ash Barty and Novak Djokavic?
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Reply #3 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:39am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:24am:
Is this question sexist? What would be the result of a match between Ash Barty and Novak Djokavic?


Good entertainment.
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Reply #4 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:14am
 
If the world were split down sex lines, i.e., female/male public transport, female/male taxis, female/male workplaces, female/male sporting events, female/male socialising etc.

guess which 'side' would have the most fun, most often
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Reply #5 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:29am
 
Feminism has been a disaster for women.
They now have all the stress of competing in the competitive capitalist workplace.
They have time constraints on childbearing
Men are increasingly going their own way
Many many young men are disengaged and happy to play video games smoke pot and watch p***

This then decreases the number of available men who are of good quality and would make good mates for the increasingly desperate women

The level of stress on a young woman trying to navigate this minefield which the feminist have constructed is through the roof

Is it any wonder that women are often anxious and stressed or bitter and resentful

They have driven out the Noble masculinity which used to provide a place of comfort where they could rest and enjoy their femininity.
Hoisted upon their own petard

Women are pretty smart and will probably see the light
there will probably be an enormous backlash against the intellectual elite radical feminist
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Reply #6 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:48am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:29am:
Feminism has been a disaster for women.
They now have all the stress of competing in the competitive capitalist workplace.
They have time constraints on childbearing
Men are increasingly going their own way
Many many young men are disengaged and happy to play video games smoke pot and watch p***

This then decreases the number of available men who are of good quality and would make good mates for the increasingly desperate women

The level of stress on a young woman trying to navigate this minefield which the feminist have constructed is through the roof

Is it any wonder that women are often anxious and stressed or bitter and resentful

They have driven out the Noble masculinity which used to provide a place of comfort where they could rest and enjoy their femininity.
Hoisted upon their own petard

Women are pretty smart and will probably see the light
there will probably be an enormous backlash against the intellectual elite radical feminist




Most likely, few will agree with you.  But I do

Feminism One was a failure.  Women and kids paid the price.  Solicitors gained

How they managed to resurrect feminism to create Feminism Two is a mystery known only to the media and its owners and paid to posts

Everything you've written is fact

and if a thousand women on the street were to enter this discussion, they'd agree with you too
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Reply #7 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:58am
 
PZ547 wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:48am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:29am:
Feminism has been a disaster for women.
They now have all the stress of competing in the competitive capitalist workplace.
They have time constraints on childbearing
Men are increasingly going their own way
Many many young men are disengaged and happy to play video games smoke pot and watch p***

This then decreases the number of available men who are of good quality and would make good mates for the increasingly desperate women

The level of stress on a young woman trying to navigate this minefield which the feminist have constructed is through the roof

Is it any wonder that women are often anxious and stressed or bitter and resentful

They have driven out the Noble masculinity which used to provide a place of comfort where they could rest and enjoy their femininity.
Hoisted upon their own petard

Women are pretty smart and will probably see the light
there will probably be an enormous backlash against the intellectual elite radical feminist




Most likely, few will agree with you.  But I do

Feminism One was a failure.  Women and kids paid the price.  Solicitors gained

How they managed to resurrect feminism to create Feminism Two is a mystery known only to the media and its owners and paid to posts

Everything you've written is fact

and if a thousand women on the street were to enter this discussion, they'd agree with you too



I think the figure is running at about 7% of women in the UK and America identifiy as feminists

Women were on a pretty good thing in the 50s and 60s.
Men worked and women got to socialise
men are more interested in work and women are more interested in people so this work well
With the women entering the workplace the pool of workers is doubled

This was great for the ceo's as when you double the number of workers you can halve the wages. That's just how economics works

Men started to become nervous and anxious and feel diminished
There is nothing more repulsive to a woman then a man who can't get his act together

So women could not find quality confident assertive and emotionally stable men
All they could find where's supplicating pussies or angry disengaged man

What a nightmare

Now pour Janine has to work 40 hours a week
The economy has atomised her so she probably does not even get to socialise at work but is stuck in a cubicle looking at a computer
Her husband is a pussy who disgusts her

She becomes bitter and resentful about her work
She becomes bitter and resentful about her relationship
Her children pick up on this and act out

Her week husband is useless around the house and in the bedroom
She is expected to care for him and the children and her aging parents and work 40 hours a week in a job she hates.
She turns to codeine or alcohol to cope

A nightmare scenario fully constructed for young women by the likes of the moth


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Reply #8 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:40am
 
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Men started to become nervous and anxious and feel diminished


and women had, for the first time in recorded history, access to reliable birth control, i.e., the Pill

'Keep em pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen', no longer applied

Women were pressed to gain paid employment and were able to decide how large their family would be

and easy-divorce was also available

As result, men no longer were able to impregnate their wives to keep them tied down and obedient/dependent and no-fault divorce meant women no longer had to remain with dominant, unsatisfactory, often brutal spouses who doled out the money, i.e., control

men were furious

the man might be a tiny insignificant cog in the workplace, he might be a physical weakling in the pub and an unsatisfactory husband and father in the home ... but the role of breadwinner and impregnator granted him 'respect' and obedience in the home

once he no longer could dominate and cow his wife and children thanks to the Pill, easy-divorce and paid employment for women ... he fell apart.  He lost his sense of 'importance' and source of forced 'respect'

Women had for millenia had to obey the husband and so did the kids until they were of an age to punch him out or leave home

Men floundered and didn't know how to deal with women's liberation.  And it was liberation.  Police until the late 80s refused to become involved in 'domestics' despite bleeding and battered wives and kids standing right in front of them.  Police upheld the 'male dominance' game.  Often, those same police were themselves wife and kid bashers

So women finally were able to leave their husbands and obtain welfare if the children were small.  Husbands were livid.  Their captive wife and kids were beyond their control. And that control had consisted in most cases of money and fists

Raising children on their own, even with part time work and welfare assistance, is no easy task. Add to this that too many boys were raised in fatherless homes with the mother as breadwinner

not that being raised by a misogynistic, brutal father was ideal either

We're seeing the results today

and unfortunately, way too many women believe they need a man in their life which often turns into a succession of men who find divorcees and man-less females to be easy pickings .... as are their children. Many a paedophile has cottoned onto a lonely, rudderless woman in order to get at her kids

What's the problem here?  No one's laying it out

but the fact is that men believe that they should rule

men also approach the entire sex issue far differently to women

Many women will put up with an unsatisfactory mate for the sake of being in a relationship

Many men will put up with what they consider to be an unsatisfactory relationship for the sake of regular sex

Many women hope a man will protect and be faithful, will 'love' the children of the relationship in the same way as the woman

Many men try to be interested in their offspring and may try to fill the role of 'good' husband and father

but most men are by nature promiscuous.  And it's Natur's dictate that a man cast his seed widely

women rely on a man being faithful so that he'll devote his time, energy, money etc. into raising offspring to maturity

It was never going to work and makes you wonder who devised it

Men enjoy male company most of all, if they're honest.  Male friends are less complicated and more fun than women

Women, forced by Nature into having to compete and drive off female competitors for the male, are competitive by Nature.  Women bitch about and criticise each other.  Women's Lib/feminism is trying to coax women out of these habits and to get them to cooperate with each other.  But it's going to be a very long battle

Most men make what women consider to be suggestive remarks and action because men are natural hunters.  A compliment or touch on the bum is the man's way of letting the woman know he desires her.  It's ingrained

and if truth be told, women take it as a 'sort of' compliment because it's not so long ago that it led to mating, procreating and a male protector/provider.  But women are being programmed by feminism to regard male advances as 'sexist' and something to be punished

Barnaby Joyce, despite his physical repulsiveness, seems to have no difficulty in winning women.  Why?  How did Joyce select and win his first wife?  According to Natalie Joyce, Barnaby gave her the once over and said, 'You'll do'.  That simple, that succinct.  He let her know he'd selected her.  And she married him, bore him four children, supported him, overlooked his many reported indiscretions and even fought for him after he'd impregnated his new choice of mate

That's how it used to work and continued to work for millenia.  The man did the choosing and the women were flattered to have been chosen

It still works the same way today.  Many a 'feminist' has been picked up at a pub, ended up living with the guy, bearing his children and hoping like mad he'll stick around, even though these days, many men choose not to marry them

Feminism hasn't a chance against Nature

The positives to emerge from the new way lies in the fact men are becoming mindful not to make suggestive remarks etc. in the workplace -- because paid employment is hard to get and social media means he's likely to be outed and dumped by his boss or 'steady root'

the negatives lie in the fact women are having children to numerous men who move on

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Reply #9 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:42am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:39am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:24am:
Is this question sexist? What would be the result of a match between Ash Barty and Novak Djokavic?


Good entertainment.

If you consider 6-0 6-0 good entertainment.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:42am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:39am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:24am:
Is this question sexist? What would be the result of a match between Ash Barty and Novak Djokavic?


Good entertainment.

If you consider 6-0 6-0 good entertainment.


I reckon he'd put up a better fight than that.

She'd beat him, but not by that much.

Probably 6-4, 4-6, 6-3

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Reply #11 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:59am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:45am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:42am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:39am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:24am:
Is this question sexist? What would be the result of a match between Ash Barty and Novak Djokavic?


Good entertainment.

If you consider 6-0 6-0 good entertainment.


I reckon he'd put up a better fight than that.

She'd beat him, but not by that much.

Probably 6-4, 4-6, 6-3



She would be lucky to get one return of serve

6 love 6 love 6 love is a certainty
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Reply #12 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:00am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:59am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:45am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:42am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:39am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:24am:
Is this question sexist? What would be the result of a match between Ash Barty and Novak Djokavic?


Good entertainment.

If you consider 6-0 6-0 good entertainment.


I reckon he'd put up a better fight than that.

She'd beat him, but not by that much.

Probably 6-4, 4-6, 6-3



She would be lucky to get one return of serve

6 love 6 love 6 love is a certainty


You wish   Grin
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Reply #13 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:04am
 
Ashleigh(No.1) got beaten by a woman opponent ranked at no. 55.

She had done extremely well & took her defeat like a true champion.

But your lil turn it around doesn't even rank as good sarcasm or humour.

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Reply #14 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:14am
 
Remember when McEnroe got dragged over the coals because he said that Venus wouldn't beat a top 100 male. Not because he was wrong, mind you.
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