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Title: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by mothra on Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:53am
How not to get sacked for sexism
“I feel sorry for my husband, he just doesn’t know how to act any more.” This came from a friend musing over how confusing the #metoo movement has made life for men. Her husband is a corporate consultant and is apparently living in fear of being accused of sexism in the workplace. My response was the most obvious. “Is he sexist?” Because if he’s not then he doesn’t need to worry. My friend assures me her husband is not sexist. Still, he lives in fear of being accused of sexism and being subsequently embarrassed and sacked over it. Really? Is it that hard to engage in a civil conversation with a woman without saying something that offends her, gets you hauled in for coaching sessions with an HR manager or censured on social media? It’s not the first time I’ve heard this. People talk about how men feel as though they’re constantly walking on egg shells and are therefore unable to be themselves anymore. There are reports of men claiming they can’t risk mentoring women anymore for fear of being accused of sexual harassment. Allow me to put your fears to rest. The definition of what constitutes sexist behaviour hasn’t changed. Sexism and harassment have never been acceptable. It was never appropriate to sexually degrade a woman in a workplace, or anywhere else for that matter. The only thing that has changed is that it’s harder for perpetrators to get away with it now. Women have not become more thin-skinned, or precious snowflakes. We are not sitting around in our covens scheming the demise of men. It’s just that now, when men treat us badly we are more inclined to speak up about it and people in authority are more likely to act. The #metoo movement is approaching its second anniversary and there have been countless opportunities across business, media, sport and even the churches for men to watch, listen and learn the lesson that sexism is no longer tolerated. I’m sure I’m not the only one who shakes my head in bewilderment every time someone gets outed and disgraced for sexism. Did former AFL stars Scott Cummings and Dane Swan not realise that joking and laughing about sexual assault on their Humpday podcast would lead to a backlash? How many more examples do these men need to learn that (fortunately) sexually degrading women is no longer socially acceptable? Cummings’s subsequent sacking by radio station 3AW should have been a surprise to precisely no-one. Cummings — to his lasting credit — issued a decent apology and appears to have learned from the experience. But still, the question remains, how did he not know already that vulgar sexism was unacceptable and career limiting? Did this whole “don’t sexually degrade women” rule really creep up on Cummings and others? It’s as if the world changed overnight and these blokes’ names were left off the group email. One explanation could be that these men just assume that the rules simply don’t apply to them. Perhaps having attained a measure of success in their field makes some men feel as though they’re above criticism. Or perhaps it is possible that some men really don’t understand the difference between sexism and a joke. They fear that in the #metoo era “good guys” are getting tarred with the same brush as “bad guys”. But here’s the thing, sexism is not about being a good or a bad guy. Sexism is about power and once you remove the power factor, the difference between sexism and harmless fun becomes very obvious. If you feel confused about what is and what isn’t acceptable, here’s a simple rule to live by: if you wouldn’t say it (or do it) to a woman who’s your boss, then don’t say it (or do it) to any other woman (or any man, for that matter). Let’s try this rule out in some real-life situations. Imagine you’re Scott Cummings or Dane Swan testing out your material on your female CEO. Would you think that jokes about performing sex acts on sleeping or ill women were appropriate? I didn’t think so. If you think the female chair of your board is talking too much, do you talk over her and then quip that women never shut up and need to get in the kitchen to make you a sandwich? I’m betting that’s another no. If your major corporate clients are women, do you invite them to network at a “super sexy” golf event like the one recently organised in the UK, promising the “sexiest and naughtiest golf day” with plenty of free booze and “naked women”. Of course not. See, it’s not that confusing at all. https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/how-not-to-get-sacked-for-sexism-20190708-p5252n.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0ukxFJrGAsBbpVuDH8oSs6MOVAPhxVKq4FbZpswLgDhzpg_4csZccHDXc#Echobox=1562548594 |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Ye Grappler on Jul 12th, 2019 at 6:42am
You're overlooking the clear 'guilt by accusation' aspect that has crept into such things ..... a serious danger to the rule of Law that I pointed out to the NSW Law Reform Commission when it was considering 'domestic violence laws' way back in 1992. Such deeming has indeed crept its way slowly into any issue between men and women... and not in a two-handed way, either.
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Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:24am
Is this question sexist? What would be the result of a match between Ash Barty and Novak Djokavic?
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Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:39am Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:24am:
Good entertainment. |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by PZ547 on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:14am
If the world were split down sex lines, i.e., female/male public transport, female/male taxis, female/male workplaces, female/male sporting events, female/male socialising etc.
guess which 'side' would have the most fun, most often |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by aquascoot on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:29am
Feminism has been a disaster for women.
They now have all the stress of competing in the competitive capitalist workplace. They have time constraints on childbearing Men are increasingly going their own way Many many young men are disengaged and happy to play video games smoke pot and watch p*** This then decreases the number of available men who are of good quality and would make good mates for the increasingly desperate women The level of stress on a young woman trying to navigate this minefield which the feminist have constructed is through the roof Is it any wonder that women are often anxious and stressed or bitter and resentful They have driven out the Noble masculinity which used to provide a place of comfort where they could rest and enjoy their femininity. Hoisted upon their own petard Women are pretty smart and will probably see the light there will probably be an enormous backlash against the intellectual elite radical feminist |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by PZ547 on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:48am aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:29am:
Most likely, few will agree with you. But I do Feminism One was a failure. Women and kids paid the price. Solicitors gained How they managed to resurrect feminism to create Feminism Two is a mystery known only to the media and its owners and paid to posts Everything you've written is fact and if a thousand women on the street were to enter this discussion, they'd agree with you too |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by aquascoot on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:58am PZ547 wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:48am:
I think the figure is running at about 7% of women in the UK and America identifiy as feminists Women were on a pretty good thing in the 50s and 60s. Men worked and women got to socialise men are more interested in work and women are more interested in people so this work well With the women entering the workplace the pool of workers is doubled This was great for the ceo's as when you double the number of workers you can halve the wages. That's just how economics works Men started to become nervous and anxious and feel diminished There is nothing more repulsive to a woman then a man who can't get his act together So women could not find quality confident assertive and emotionally stable men All they could find where's supplicating pussies or angry disengaged man What a nightmare Now pour Janine has to work 40 hours a week The economy has atomised her so she probably does not even get to socialise at work but is stuck in a cubicle looking at a computer Her husband is a pussy who disgusts her She becomes bitter and resentful about her work She becomes bitter and resentful about her relationship Her children pick up on this and act out Her week husband is useless around the house and in the bedroom She is expected to care for him and the children and her aging parents and work 40 hours a week in a job she hates. She turns to codeine or alcohol to cope A nightmare scenario fully constructed for young women by the likes of the moth |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by PZ547 on Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:40am Quote:
and women had, for the first time in recorded history, access to reliable birth control, i.e., the Pill 'Keep em pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen', no longer applied Women were pressed to gain paid employment and were able to decide how large their family would be and easy-divorce was also available As result, men no longer were able to impregnate their wives to keep them tied down and obedient/dependent and no-fault divorce meant women no longer had to remain with dominant, unsatisfactory, often brutal spouses who doled out the money, i.e., control men were furious the man might be a tiny insignificant cog in the workplace, he might be a physical weakling in the pub and an unsatisfactory husband and father in the home ... but the role of breadwinner and impregnator granted him 'respect' and obedience in the home once he no longer could dominate and cow his wife and children thanks to the Pill, easy-divorce and paid employment for women ... he fell apart. He lost his sense of 'importance' and source of forced 'respect' Women had for millenia had to obey the husband and so did the kids until they were of an age to punch him out or leave home Men floundered and didn't know how to deal with women's liberation. And it was liberation. Police until the late 80s refused to become involved in 'domestics' despite bleeding and battered wives and kids standing right in front of them. Police upheld the 'male dominance' game. Often, those same police were themselves wife and kid bashers So women finally were able to leave their husbands and obtain welfare if the children were small. Husbands were livid. Their captive wife and kids were beyond their control. And that control had consisted in most cases of money and fists Raising children on their own, even with part time work and welfare assistance, is no easy task. Add to this that too many boys were raised in fatherless homes with the mother as breadwinner not that being raised by a misogynistic, brutal father was ideal either We're seeing the results today and unfortunately, way too many women believe they need a man in their life which often turns into a succession of men who find divorcees and man-less females to be easy pickings .... as are their children. Many a paedophile has cottoned onto a lonely, rudderless woman in order to get at her kids What's the problem here? No one's laying it out but the fact is that men believe that they should rule men also approach the entire sex issue far differently to women Many women will put up with an unsatisfactory mate for the sake of being in a relationship Many men will put up with what they consider to be an unsatisfactory relationship for the sake of regular sex Many women hope a man will protect and be faithful, will 'love' the children of the relationship in the same way as the woman Many men try to be interested in their offspring and may try to fill the role of 'good' husband and father but most men are by nature promiscuous. And it's Natur's dictate that a man cast his seed widely women rely on a man being faithful so that he'll devote his time, energy, money etc. into raising offspring to maturity It was never going to work and makes you wonder who devised it Men enjoy male company most of all, if they're honest. Male friends are less complicated and more fun than women Women, forced by Nature into having to compete and drive off female competitors for the male, are competitive by Nature. Women bitch about and criticise each other. Women's Lib/feminism is trying to coax women out of these habits and to get them to cooperate with each other. But it's going to be a very long battle Most men make what women consider to be suggestive remarks and action because men are natural hunters. A compliment or touch on the bum is the man's way of letting the woman know he desires her. It's ingrained and if truth be told, women take it as a 'sort of' compliment because it's not so long ago that it led to mating, procreating and a male protector/provider. But women are being programmed by feminism to regard male advances as 'sexist' and something to be punished Barnaby Joyce, despite his physical repulsiveness, seems to have no difficulty in winning women. Why? How did Joyce select and win his first wife? According to Natalie Joyce, Barnaby gave her the once over and said, 'You'll do'. That simple, that succinct. He let her know he'd selected her. And she married him, bore him four children, supported him, overlooked his many reported indiscretions and even fought for him after he'd impregnated his new choice of mate That's how it used to work and continued to work for millenia. The man did the choosing and the women were flattered to have been chosen It still works the same way today. Many a 'feminist' has been picked up at a pub, ended up living with the guy, bearing his children and hoping like mad he'll stick around, even though these days, many men choose not to marry them Feminism hasn't a chance against Nature The positives to emerge from the new way lies in the fact men are becoming mindful not to make suggestive remarks etc. in the workplace -- because paid employment is hard to get and social media means he's likely to be outed and dumped by his boss or 'steady root' the negatives lie in the fact women are having children to numerous men who move on run out of room |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:42am greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:39am:
If you consider 6-0 6-0 good entertainment. |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:45am Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:42am:
I reckon he'd put up a better fight than that. She'd beat him, but not by that much. Probably 6-4, 4-6, 6-3 |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by aquascoot on Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:59am greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:45am:
She would be lucky to get one return of serve 6 love 6 love 6 love is a certainty |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:00am aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:59am:
You wish ;D |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Gnads on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:04am
Ashleigh(No.1) got beaten by a woman opponent ranked at no. 55.
She had done extremely well & took her defeat like a true champion. But your lil turn it around doesn't even rank as good sarcasm or humour. |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:14am
Remember when McEnroe got dragged over the coals because he said that Venus wouldn't beat a top 100 male. Not because he was wrong, mind you.
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Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by aquascoot on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:40am greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:00am:
They did an analysis on the service speed of the top male and female professional tennis players. No woman had a service speed approaching that of every man ranked in the top 100. Supplicate to women if you'd like but try to be honest |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:41am aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:40am:
Why did you change the subject? I'm curious. We're talking about a tennis match - not a serving competition. |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by aquascoot on Jul 12th, 2019 at 12:29pm
Sorry gweggy UTR universal tennis rankings rank all men in the top 1000 at 14. To 16
The top woman rates 13.5. Serena Williams trained with a guy who could not make the tour. She admitted he had no trouble dominating her. In a sport where men and women can compete beside each other, formula one or other motor sport, there are NO women. And think what a coup it would be for Mercedes or ford to have a woman in their car and winning. Women control most of the purchasing after all. But they just can't find a woman who can compete. On the simulators, their reflexes are inferior, on the track, they won't take the risks. Skateboarding, freestyle motorcycling, mountain biking. Even in horse racing , when 90% of riders at pony clubs are girls, they cannot transition very well to the big stage. Men are physically superior |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 12th, 2019 at 12:35pm
The Central Coast Mariners U15 boys team beat the Matildas 7-0. I'm all for equality...when things are equal.
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Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Raven on Jul 12th, 2019 at 12:41pm
Raven was accused of sexism by his wife's friend the other day when he said he doesn't think professional female tennis players should be paid the same as men.
She really got offended and couldn't believe Raven would say something like that and refused to listen to Raven's reasons. In the end she just sat there with her wine and wouldn't speak to Raven for the rest of the night. Raven's reasoning is since female tennis players do a best of three sets instead of a best of five like men then why should they get the same amount of money? If they do five then by all means pay them the same but less work shouldn't equal the same pay. |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by aquascoot on Jul 12th, 2019 at 12:48pm
It would be interesting if Andy Murray were to do a Bruce Jenner and then comeback on the women's tour.
Would a feminist like gweg or mothra (same identity after all)support andys right to do this or would gweg/ mothra be a transphobe |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Gnads on Jul 12th, 2019 at 12:50pm
It's always been about getting the same money for doing less.
Call that equality? Yes ... they should do 5 sets if they even want to get close. It's happened through a lot the sporting clubs ... e.g. lawn bowls, golf, croquet etc. where women were call associate members and paid less membership. They lobbied for full membership/voting rights ... but they didn't want to pay full membership .. they wanted to stay on associate rates. |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Gnads on Jul 12th, 2019 at 12:51pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 12:48pm:
Nearly too funny to contemplate ;D |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:26pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 12:48pm:
Yes. Why wouldn't I? |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Gnads on Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:29pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:26pm:
Because it's cheating. |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:30pm Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:29pm:
According to whom/what? |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by aquascoot on Jul 12th, 2019 at 2:52pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:30pm:
what about if andy said ' i just want to identify as a woman. i dont want to have surgery or take hormones, i just feel that female is my gender" should he be allowed to enter the womens draw |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Ye Grappler on Jul 12th, 2019 at 3:09pm
Don't say that sexists will go to Hell? Or will you be gently shoved towards the door for saying that Islam is ultra-feminist and that on ANZAC Day we should remember everyone else?
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Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 12th, 2019 at 3:27pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 2:52pm:
Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by BigP on Jul 12th, 2019 at 3:49pm mothra wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:53am:
“I feel sorry for my husband, he just doesn’t know how to act any more.” Is he no longer going down and saying good morning to Marvin LALALALA |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by aquascoot on Jul 12th, 2019 at 3:51pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 3:27pm:
do you think it would bother ash barty ? |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 12th, 2019 at 3:54pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 3:51pm:
Dunno. Ask her. |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by aquascoot on Jul 12th, 2019 at 4:00pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 3:54pm:
dont be evasive gweg. its a simple question. you have strong opinions on things you know nothing about like trumps alledged sex crimes. surely you are capable of more then a "dunno" |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 12th, 2019 at 4:02pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 4:00pm:
I honestly don't know. I had never heard of her until a couple of weeks ago, so I don't really know what she's like. From the little I've seen, she seems to be a very level-headed, reasonable person. There's a good chance she'd find it all quite amusing. |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by aquascoot on Jul 12th, 2019 at 4:05pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 4:02pm:
so you think barty who devotes 60 hours a weak to brutal tennis training would be happy to lose to andy murray in a wimbedon final because that would be "amusing" to her. you know a lot about the competitive drive of elite athletes :D :D |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 12th, 2019 at 4:08pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
I don't know if she'd lose or not. I also don't know that she wouldn't welcome the challenge. |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 12th, 2019 at 5:00pm
Would anyone care if the chick with a dick from South Africa was the 16th fastest 'woman' in the world?
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Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 12th, 2019 at 5:02pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 4:08pm:
I know she'd lose...6-0 6-0. |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 12th, 2019 at 5:10pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 5:00pm:
it_is_the_light would definitely be interested. |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Gnads on Jul 12th, 2019 at 6:17pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:30pm:
He wouldn't be a woman. ::) Despite his mindset ... or yours. |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Gnads on Jul 12th, 2019 at 6:19pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 3:27pm:
Yeah I'm sure ... the only exercise you get is on a keyboard. I can just see you spraining a wrist writing pedantic nonsensical replies. ;D |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 12th, 2019 at 6:38pm
Everyone gets rainbows and unicorn farts in Pecker's world...except men. White men, even less.
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Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by aquascoot on Jul 14th, 2019 at 6:55pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 4:08pm:
Well tennis is obviously not your forte gweg, so try this one. Usain Bolt says that he now wishes to identify as a woman. And he would like to line up in the women's 100 m. Do you think the other women who have trained for years would " welcome the challenge" If not are they transphobes ? ;) |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Ye Grappler on Jul 14th, 2019 at 7:17pm
.. be a sheila and have the 'right' to make any 'complaint' at any time, have the full wrath of the controlling power come down on your side, and have sh1t adhere to the accused without any rendering of facts or even consideration of alternative views and scenarios?
Sounds easy to me.... |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Mr Hammer on Jul 14th, 2019 at 7:32pm
Make sport like the workplace...men and women competing on a level playing field. Easy.
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Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by .JaSin. on Jul 14th, 2019 at 7:40pm
I dunno.
I sort just grabbed her like and penetrated her until I felt comfortable to unload my seed in her as if she was 'worthy' of it. Never really knew her name. She just kinda appeared in my life - naked. Nothing in my life and then, just like that, she appeared - naked. For some reason, my 'body' was more in control of my mind, for the first time. Thus I mounted her, like a steed and f*ucked her like an 'ANIMAL'. Something that is frowned upon in this day and age where 'Sex' itself, is seen as 'dirty' like a white woman being unfaithful to her white husband (The President) by having sex with a Black Man. ...a very Alien Prometheus Dark Covenant world we live in. Don't you think Mothra? :-? put ya hands in the air and say it like you just don't care. ::) |
Title: Re: How not to get sacked for sexism Post by Robot on Jul 15th, 2019 at 12:37am
"I can't treat women with respect because Novak Djokovic would beat Ash Barty 6-0 6-0."
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