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Re: Folau vs Yassmin
Reply #255 - Jul 12^th, 2019 at 12:48pm

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Lest. We. Forget (Manus, Nauru, Syria, Palestine ...)

Horrifying huh?

Will you persist in these lewd acts which no other nation has committed before you? You lust after men instead of women. Truly, you are a degenerate people. (Quran 7:81-82)

The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.” Abu Dawud 4462 (This is a sahih hadith)

Horrifying huh?

Did she quote a Hadith?

Oh my. What an awful tinted rotter.

Tinted? It would get the same response coming from Snow White and The Seven Mental Midgets ......

Leigh Sales - "Islam is now officially the most Feminist religion, according to studies undertaken by a Learned Professor in Moronistan. The Australian Government has come out in support of the views of Professor Farken Blindasabat, head of the Moronistan Bureau of Gender Equality, who says that in-depth studies have shown the stark reality of Islam as regards women's rights... with those rights far exceeding those of men in Islam, and especially Moronistan"...

What's dusky got to do with it?

That's f-en unbelievable!!

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Re: Folau vs Yassmin
Reply #257 - Jul 12^th, 2019 at 4:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 12^th, 2019 at 12:31pm:

from Grappler's article:

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"Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has resisted calls to sack Yassmin Abdel-Magied from a government advisory board over controversial Anzac Day comments because the ABC presenter has apologised for her "highly inappropriate" social media post and agreed to a mentoring program.

So this is what passes as 'free speech' eh?

Employees of the supposedly independent ABC are "free" to say what they want as long as they admit they were wrong, offer a grovelling apology and undergo re-education - whenever someone from the government gets hurt feeling by what they said?

FMD, it sounds more like something out of North Korea.

How do you think it would fly with culture warriors like FD if Falua was able to keep his job with RA - provided he too agreed to undergo such humiliating grovelling and re-education?

I don't think FD would appreciate that too much, G. Folou would have to get back in FD's good books with a gripe about the Boongs.

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Re: Folau vs Yassmin
Reply #258 - Jul 12^th, 2019 at 4:49pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 12^th, 2019 at 8:35am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12^th, 2019 at 6:26am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 11^th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2019 at 2:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2019 at 11:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2019 at 8:23am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5^th, 2019 at 11:05pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 5^th, 2019 at 10:15pm:

Suppose Alan Joyce called for his sacking, but he was not sacked. Do you think people on here would care as much about Folau's freedom of speech and freedom of religion then?

Of course they would. Joyce is already under fire for the sacking.

Folau's actual sacking isn't what the culture warriors are getting their pants wet over - its that the "homofascists" as you call them dared to attack him for his religious views. Joyce stepping in would have just upped the ante, as he is an actual vested interest in this - and it would have (rightly) been interpreted by the culture warriors as RA being put under real and significant pressure to sack one of their players - given Qantas's financial influence over RA.

To say that liberal politicians - including senior cabinet ministers - calling directly for an ABC employee to be sacked is not a serious interference that causes real influence to the ABC management is disingenuous to the extreme. Especially with what we now know about the Alberici case. And simply retorting that neither Yassmin or Alberici were sacked in the end does not change the fact that it was an egregious attack on their freedom.

The only reason it is an issue is because Folau was actually sacked. Otherwise the vast majority would take the same view as the atheists, drunks, fornicators etc on Folau's list - who cares what they say?

You are wrong FD. The culture warriors on the right would have made it an issue for exactly the same reason they worked so hard to make Yassmin's completely inoccuous tweet an issue. Which they did anyway, the first time he sent the tweet - and wasn't sacked for it. Its about sticking it to the progressives more than anything else. I believe this is your modus-operandi as well - you just think you're being more clever cloaking it in this legalistic narrative about rights of employment. You would obviously be back in witness protection had a muslim Rugby player been sacked for calling Islam the most feminist religion - or even a female muslim TV personality.

Yassmin wasn't sacked ..................she left of her own accord.......... her sails filed with gales of laughter which took the wind out of her sails....

Never said she was. The ABC commendably stood by her, as they stood by Emma Alberici when the government was piling the pressure on. And we didn't call that attack on the ABC's supposed independence as a good thing for free speech - and nor should it be called so in the Yassmin case.

Like I said before, had Barnaby or Abetz simply said "I don't think what she said was appropriate etc, but she has a right to say it" - then that would have made all the difference. But they didn't - they specifically called for her to be sacked for it.

Yeee-usssh - but the fact remains that she wasn't sacked... big difference...

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/julie-bishop-resists-eric-abetzs-call-to...

"Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has resisted calls to sack Yassmin Abdel-Magied from a government advisory board over controversial Anzac Day comments because the ABC presenter has apologised for her "highly inappropriate" social media post and agreed to a mentoring program.

In a letter to Liberal senator Eric Abetz and obtained by Fairfax Media, Ms Bishop says that she had decided against "terminating" Ms Abdel-Magied from her position on the board of the Council for Australian-Arab Relations which is run by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade."

There's more - but being a silly bint and out of touch doesn't mean she is vicious and nasty and should be offered rape and death or sacking... she did apologise...

Abetz did call for her sacking.... I thought they should create her own comedy segment for her to air her views... Cool

Pseudo Arab.

Exactly. She's more of a Jigaboo.

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Re: Folau vs Yassmin
Reply #259 - Jul 12^th, 2019 at 4:51pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2019 at 4:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 12^th, 2019 at 12:31pm:

How do you think it would fly with culture warriors like FD if Falua was able to keep his job with RA - provided he too agreed to undergo such humiliating grovelling and re-education?

I'm sure he'll be along shortly to tell us.

Oh, FD bailed after he was asked a question.

So unfair.

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Re: Folau vs Yassmin
Reply #260 - Jul 12^th, 2019 at 6:48pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 12^th, 2019 at 12:31pm:

from Grappler's article:

Quote:

"Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has resisted calls to sack Yassmin Abdel-Magied from a government advisory board over controversial Anzac Day comments because the ABC presenter has apologised for her "highly inappropriate" social media post and agreed to a mentoring program.

So this is what passes as 'free speech' eh?

Employees of the supposedly independent ABC are "free" to say what they want as long as they admit they were wrong, offer a grovelling apology and undergo re-education - whenever someone from the government gets hurt feeling by what they said?

FMD, it sounds more like something out of North Korea.

How do you think it would fly with culture warriors like FD if Falua was able to keep his job with RA - provided he too agreed to undergo such humiliating grovelling and re-education?

Don't get all uppity - Muslims actually kill people for much less - for a book they haven't read or cartoons published in a country they couldn't locate on a map, clothes not worn as they demand it, being a non-Muslims or the slightly different kind of Muslim.

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Re: Folau vs Yassmin
Reply #261 - Jul 12^th, 2019 at 6:49pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12^th, 2019 at 4:49pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 12^th, 2019 at 8:35am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12^th, 2019 at 6:26am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 11^th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2019 at 2:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2019 at 11:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2019 at 8:23am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5^th, 2019 at 11:05pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 5^th, 2019 at 10:15pm:

Suppose Alan Joyce called for his sacking, but he was not sacked. Do you think people on here would care as much about Folau's freedom of speech and freedom of religion then?

Of course they would. Joyce is already under fire for the sacking.

Folau's actual sacking isn't what the culture warriors are getting their pants wet over - its that the "homofascists" as you call them dared to attack him for his religious views. Joyce stepping in would have just upped the ante, as he is an actual vested interest in this - and it would have (rightly) been interpreted by the culture warriors as RA being put under real and significant pressure to sack one of their players - given Qantas's financial influence over RA.

To say that liberal politicians - including senior cabinet ministers - calling directly for an ABC employee to be sacked is not a serious interference that causes real influence to the ABC management is disingenuous to the extreme. Especially with what we now know about the Alberici case. And simply retorting that neither Yassmin or Alberici were sacked in the end does not change the fact that it was an egregious attack on their freedom.

The only reason it is an issue is because Folau was actually sacked. Otherwise the vast majority would take the same view as the atheists, drunks, fornicators etc on Folau's list - who cares what they say?

You are wrong FD. The culture warriors on the right would have made it an issue for exactly the same reason they worked so hard to make Yassmin's completely inoccuous tweet an issue. Which they did anyway, the first time he sent the tweet - and wasn't sacked for it. Its about sticking it to the progressives more than anything else. I believe this is your modus-operandi as well - you just think you're being more clever cloaking it in this legalistic narrative about rights of employment. You would obviously be back in witness protection had a muslim Rugby player been sacked for calling Islam the most feminist religion - or even a female muslim TV personality.

Yassmin wasn't sacked ..................she left of her own accord.......... her sails filed with gales of laughter which took the wind out of her sails....

Never said she was. The ABC commendably stood by her, as they stood by Emma Alberici when the government was piling the pressure on. And we didn't call that attack on the ABC's supposed independence as a good thing for free speech - and nor should it be called so in the Yassmin case.

Like I said before, had Barnaby or Abetz simply said "I don't think what she said was appropriate etc, but she has a right to say it" - then that would have made all the difference. But they didn't - they specifically called for her to be sacked for it.

Yeee-usssh - but the fact remains that she wasn't sacked... big difference...

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/julie-bishop-resists-eric-abetzs-call-to...

"Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has resisted calls to sack Yassmin Abdel-Magied from a government advisory board over controversial Anzac Day comments because the ABC presenter has apologised for her "highly inappropriate" social media post and agreed to a mentoring program.

In a letter to Liberal senator Eric Abetz and obtained by Fairfax Media, Ms Bishop says that she had decided against "terminating" Ms Abdel-Magied from her position on the board of the Council for Australian-Arab Relations which is run by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade."

There's more - but being a silly bint and out of touch doesn't mean she is vicious and nasty and should be offered rape and death or sacking... she did apologise...

Abetz did call for her sacking.... I thought they should create her own comedy segment for her to air her views... Cool

Pseudo Arab.

Exactly. She's more of a Jigaboo.

Lucky she's not a Paki like you.

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Re: Folau vs Yassmin
Reply #262 - Jul 12^th, 2019 at 7:43pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 12^th, 2019 at 12:31pm:

from Grappler's article:

Quote:

"Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has resisted calls to sack Yassmin Abdel-Magied from a government advisory board over controversial Anzac Day comments because the ABC presenter has apologised for her "highly inappropriate" social media post and agreed to a mentoring program.

So this is what passes as 'free speech' eh?

Employees of the supposedly independent ABC are "free" to say what they want as long as they admit they were wrong, offer a grovelling apology and undergo re-education - whenever someone from the government gets hurt feeling by what they said?

FMD, it sounds more like something out of North Korea.

How do you think it would fly with culture warriors like FD if Falua was able to keep his job with RA - provided he too agreed to undergo such humiliating grovelling and re-education?

Yassmin wasn't sacked.

Discuss.

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Re: Folau vs Yassmin
Reply #263 - Jul 13^th, 2019 at 8:53am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2019 at 11:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2019 at 8:23am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5^th, 2019 at 11:05pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 5^th, 2019 at 10:15pm:

Suppose Alan Joyce called for his sacking, but he was not sacked. Do you think people on here would care as much about Folau's freedom of speech and freedom of religion then?

Of course they would. Joyce is already under fire for the sacking.

Folau's actual sacking isn't what the culture warriors are getting their pants wet over - its that the "homofascists" as you call them dared to attack him for his religious views. Joyce stepping in would have just upped the ante, as he is an actual vested interest in this - and it would have (rightly) been interpreted by the culture warriors as RA being put under real and significant pressure to sack one of their players - given Qantas's financial influence over RA.

To say that liberal politicians - including senior cabinet ministers - calling directly for an ABC employee to be sacked is not a serious interference that causes real influence to the ABC management is disingenuous to the extreme. Especially with what we now know about the Alberici case. And simply retorting that neither Yassmin or Alberici were sacked in the end does not change the fact that it was an egregious attack on their freedom.

The only reason it is an issue is because Folau was actually sacked. Otherwise the vast majority would take the same view as the atheists, drunks, fornicators etc on Folau's list - who cares what they say?

You are wrong FD. The culture warriors on the right would have made it an issue for exactly the same reason they worked so hard to make Yassmin's completely inoccuous tweet an issue. Which they did anyway, the first time he sent the tweet - and wasn't sacked for it. Its about sticking it to the progressives more than anything else. I believe this is your modus-operandi as well - you just think you're being more clever cloaking it in this legalistic narrative about rights of employment. You would obviously be back in witness protection had a muslim Rugby player been sacked for calling Islam the most feminist religion - or even a female muslim TV personality.

Some might have tried to make an issue of it. And failed.

Folau was sacked. Yassmin was not.

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Re: Folau vs Yassmin
Reply #264 - Jul 13^th, 2019 at 10:35am

Frank wrote on Jul 12^th, 2019 at 6:49pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 12^th, 2019 at 4:49pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 12^th, 2019 at 8:35am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12^th, 2019 at 6:26am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 11^th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2019 at 2:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2019 at 11:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2019 at 8:23am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5^th, 2019 at 11:05pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 5^th, 2019 at 10:15pm:

Suppose Alan Joyce called for his sacking, but he was not sacked. Do you think people on here would care as much about Folau's freedom of speech and freedom of religion then?

Of course they would. Joyce is already under fire for the sacking.

Folau's actual sacking isn't what the culture warriors are getting their pants wet over - its that the "homofascists" as you call them dared to attack him for his religious views. Joyce stepping in would have just upped the ante, as he is an actual vested interest in this - and it would have (rightly) been interpreted by the culture warriors as RA being put under real and significant pressure to sack one of their players - given Qantas's financial influence over RA.

To say that liberal politicians - including senior cabinet ministers - calling directly for an ABC employee to be sacked is not a serious interference that causes real influence to the ABC management is disingenuous to the extreme. Especially with what we now know about the Alberici case. And simply retorting that neither Yassmin or Alberici were sacked in the end does not change the fact that it was an egregious attack on their freedom.

The only reason it is an issue is because Folau was actually sacked. Otherwise the vast majority would take the same view as the atheists, drunks, fornicators etc on Folau's list - who cares what they say?

You are wrong FD. The culture warriors on the right would have made it an issue for exactly the same reason they worked so hard to make Yassmin's completely inoccuous tweet an issue. Which they did anyway, the first time he sent the tweet - and wasn't sacked for it. Its about sticking it to the progressives more than anything else. I believe this is your modus-operandi as well - you just think you're being more clever cloaking it in this legalistic narrative about rights of employment. You would obviously be back in witness protection had a muslim Rugby player been sacked for calling Islam the most feminist religion - or even a female muslim TV personality.

Yassmin wasn't sacked ..................she left of her own accord.......... her sails filed with gales of laughter which took the wind out of her sails....

Never said she was. The ABC commendably stood by her, as they stood by Emma Alberici when the government was piling the pressure on. And we didn't call that attack on the ABC's supposed independence as a good thing for free speech - and nor should it be called so in the Yassmin case.

Like I said before, had Barnaby or Abetz simply said "I don't think what she said was appropriate etc, but she has a right to say it" - then that would have made all the difference. But they didn't - they specifically called for her to be sacked for it.

Yeee-usssh - but the fact remains that she wasn't sacked... big difference...

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/julie-bishop-resists-eric-abetzs-call-to...

"Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has resisted calls to sack Yassmin Abdel-Magied from a government advisory board over controversial Anzac Day comments because the ABC presenter has apologised for her "highly inappropriate" social media post and agreed to a mentoring program.

In a letter to Liberal senator Eric Abetz and obtained by Fairfax Media, Ms Bishop says that she had decided against "terminating" Ms Abdel-Magied from her position on the board of the Council for Australian-Arab Relations which is run by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade."

There's more - but being a silly bint and out of touch doesn't mean she is vicious and nasty and should be offered rape and death or sacking... she did apologise...

Abetz did call for her sacking.... I thought they should create her own comedy segment for her to air her views... Cool

Pseudo Arab.

Exactly. She's more of a Jigaboo.

Lucky she's not a Paki like you.

Pakis are not Ayrabs, dear. What are they again?

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Reply #265 - Jul 13^th, 2019 at 7:23pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 8^th, 2019 at 5:24pm:

Nope. I can contract out of a right the UNHCR might seek to give me.

The bloke signed up for $M4 on conditions. Breach them......bye bye.

My wife and I made a contract. She promised to love honour and obey. She signed that contract. Should I dissolve the contract when she refuses to obey or should she be forced to obey? It's not rape if she signed the contract, yeah? She signed away her human rights, it's on her head if she refuses.

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Reply #266 - Jul 13^th, 2019 at 7:29pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 13^th, 2019 at 7:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 8^th, 2019 at 5:24pm:

Nope. I can contract out of a right the UNHCR might seek to give me.

The bloke signed up for $M4 on conditions. Breach them......bye bye.

My wife and I made a contract. She promised to love honour and obey. She signed that contract. Should I dissolve the contract when she refuses to obey or should she be forced to obey? It's not rape if she signed the contract, yeah? She signed away her human rights, it's on her head if she refuses.

Sue her. Good luck.

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Reply #267 - Jul 13^th, 2019 at 7:32pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2019 at 7:29pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 13^th, 2019 at 7:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 8^th, 2019 at 5:24pm:

Nope. I can contract out of a right the UNHCR might seek to give me.

The bloke signed up for $M4 on conditions. Breach them......bye bye.

My wife and I made a contract. She promised to love honour and obey. She signed that contract. Should I dissolve the contract when she refuses to obey or should she be forced to obey? It's not rape if she signed the contract, yeah? She signed away her human rights, it's on her head if she refuses.

Sue her. Good luck.

Is that your shot at an easy out? Why don't RA sue IF?

Now, is marriage a contract?

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Reply #269 - Jul 13^th, 2019 at 7:46pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2019 at 7:37pm:

They don't need to sue him. They booted him.

No.

For? You claimed he can and did sign away his human rights by signing a contract. I'm, saying so did my wife. Now since you know he can sign his away because of a contract, I'm posing to you my wife also signed hers away. Both are signed contracts.

Now stop trying to shake it off. It was your claim that one could sign away their human rights and that's what I'm picking you up on. You may not like the position you have now found yourself in with this claim but I would like you to answer it.

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