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Re: Careful what you write, folks
Reply #90 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:23pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:16pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:36pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 2:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 11:59am:

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there is a path out of this hell for the right and its probably an easier path.
you simply find something meaningful to do , like building a business or mastering a profession ...

Like terrorism, you mean?

https://www.revealnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/figure1.png

Just to clarify, a large number of these right wing terrorist attacks are things like water bombing abortion clinics or anti establishment graffiting. These are all included in FBI stats as terrorist attacks. Nearly all the Islamic attacks listed resulted in multiple fatalities or death and maiming of innocent people. So what your statistics really show is that people in the West resort to throwing water balloons or drawing graffitti to show their political anger while Muslims set off nail bombs and fly aircraft into buildings.

As Greg likes to highlight with his statistics, Muslims are giving terrorists a bad name.

"According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh."

What are they dying from, FD - paint fumes?

Why is we don't hear about it then?

We sure hear about Islamic atrocities globally.

Are the FBI stats global?

Could this be ... ? I dare not hope ... but could this be ... Gnads ... having an epiphany?

It's not though is it. It's him thinking he's made a point.

You always need to be wary of these blank and unsupported statements - you need full information on the years covered etc... plus all the factors included in actual preventative measures...

Where is the list of all these thousands of people killed in the US by 'right wing extremists' - start with a definition of 'right wing extremist'.....

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Re: Careful what you write, folks
Reply #92 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:49am:

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:36am:

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:23am:

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Ahh. We're in America's borders again.

And also limiting Islamic terrorism to two organisation that are barely active there. Greg is a one trick pony on this.

That's the whole point, FD.

The Muslims aren't very active at all - it's the white supremacists who are doing most of the killing.

"According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh."

I guess the fumes from those spray-paint cans must be pretty lethal.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/ebf8cb52c77fde090f4fd80c945162e1/tenor.gif

So why limit your stats to only two Muslim terrorist organisations?

If your answer is anything other than because you are lying or enjoy mocking the victims of Islamic terrorism, you should say.

You're shooting the messenger again, FD.

"According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh."

Why don't you believe the FBI?

I did not say I don't believe the FBI data. I believe you are being very selective with it to lie or to mock the victims of Islamic terrorism.

You are selecting by time period and geography, as well as selecting Islamic terrorism by group in a way you do not for white supremacism.

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Re: Careful what you write, folks
Reply #93 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:26pm

mothra wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:16pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:36pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 2:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 11:59am:

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there is a path out of this hell for the right and its probably an easier path.
you simply find something meaningful to do , like building a business or mastering a profession ...

Like terrorism, you mean?

https://www.revealnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/figure1.png

Just to clarify, a large number of these right wing terrorist attacks are things like water bombing abortion clinics or anti establishment graffiting. These are all included in FBI stats as terrorist attacks. Nearly all the Islamic attacks listed resulted in multiple fatalities or death and maiming of innocent people. So what your statistics really show is that people in the West resort to throwing water balloons or drawing graffitti to show their political anger while Muslims set off nail bombs and fly aircraft into buildings.

As Greg likes to highlight with his statistics, Muslims are giving terrorists a bad name.

"According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh."

What are they dying from, FD - paint fumes?

Why is we don't hear about it then?

We sure hear about Islamic atrocities globally.

Are the FBI stats global?

Could this be ... ? I dare not hope ... but could this be ... Gnads ... having an epiphany?

It's not though is it. It's him thinking he's made a point.

He's almost there

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Re: Careful what you write, folks
Reply #94 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:08pm:

https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_full_width_img_lg/public/...

Fair way shy of the tally by Islamic terrorists.

The first graph you posted above this one had a total of 50 deaths spread across 4 types of extremism.

All US relevant data .... and not global.

The 300 odd in your last graph is nowhere near the 100,000 plus globally down to Islamic extremists in a similar time frame.

You're cherry picking just doesn't cut it in trying to prove your point.

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Re: Careful what you write, folks
Reply #95 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:23pm:

Europe?

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist attacks
continue to far outnumber attacks carried out by
violent extremists inspired by any other ideologies or
motivations."

Separatist = 67%

Jihadist = 16%

EUROPEAN UNION TERRORISM SITUATION AND TREND REPORT 2018 (TESAT 2018)

Here you are doing the same thing. Islam is the only identifiable movement in those statistics. You are basically comparing Islam with everything else. If you identified other terrorist movements the way you do with Islam, then Islam would be on the top of the list.

This has all been explained to you before, but you are either too thick to understand or actually want to mislead people or mock the victims of Islamic terrorism.

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Re: Careful what you write, folks
Reply #96 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:30pm

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:49am:

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:36am:

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:23am:

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Ahh. We're in America's borders again.

And also limiting Islamic terrorism to two organisation that are barely active there. Greg is a one trick pony on this.

That's the whole point, FD.

The Muslims aren't very active at all - it's the white supremacists who are doing most of the killing.

"According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh."

I guess the fumes from those spray-paint cans must be pretty lethal.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/ebf8cb52c77fde090f4fd80c945162e1/tenor.gif

So why limit your stats to only two Muslim terrorist organisations?

If your answer is anything other than because you are lying or enjoy mocking the victims of Islamic terrorism, you should say.

You're shooting the messenger again, FD.

"According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh."

Why don't you believe the FBI?

I did not say I don't believe the FBI data. I believe you are being very selective with it to lie or to mock the victims of Islamic terrorism.

You are selecting by time period and geography, as well as selecting Islamic terrorism by group in a way you do not for white supremacism.

I believe you are mocking the victims of right wing extremism. By your own admission, Islamic extremism barely presents in Western countries.

Why are you choosing to ignore, nay minimise and refute the victims of right wing extremism in the West? Mock them, even.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 145729 Gender:	Re: Careful what you write, folks Reply #97 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:31pm Gnads wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:28pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:08pm: https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_full_width_img_lg/public/... Fair way shy of the tally by Islamic terrorists. 78 is more than 2. Year nine maths, innit?
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Re: Careful what you write, folks
Reply #98 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:31pm

mothra wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:49am:

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:36am:

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:23am:

Quote:

Ahh. We're in America's borders again.

And also limiting Islamic terrorism to two organisation that are barely active there. Greg is a one trick pony on this.

That's the whole point, FD.

The Muslims aren't very active at all - it's the white supremacists who are doing most of the killing.

"According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh."

I guess the fumes from those spray-paint cans must be pretty lethal.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/ebf8cb52c77fde090f4fd80c945162e1/tenor.gif

So why limit your stats to only two Muslim terrorist organisations?

If your answer is anything other than because you are lying or enjoy mocking the victims of Islamic terrorism, you should say.

You're shooting the messenger again, FD.

"According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh."

Why don't you believe the FBI?

I did not say I don't believe the FBI data. I believe you are being very selective with it to lie or to mock the victims of Islamic terrorism.

You are selecting by time period and geography, as well as selecting Islamic terrorism by group in a way you do not for white supremacism.

I believe you are mocking the victims of right wing extremism. By your own admission, Islamic extremism barely presents in Western countries.

Why are you choosing to ignore, nay minimise and refute the victims of right wing extremism in the West? Mock them, even.

Again you lie. Where did I say that?

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Re: Careful what you write, folks
Reply #99 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:31pm

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:23pm:

Europe?

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist attacks
continue to far outnumber attacks carried out by
violent extremists inspired by any other ideologies or
motivations."

Separatist = 67%

Jihadist = 16%

EUROPEAN UNION TERRORISM SITUATION AND TREND REPORT 2018 (TESAT 2018)

Here you are doing the same thing. Islam is the only identifiable movement in those statistics.

Incorrect.

Read the report.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/activities-services/main-reports/european-union-te...

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Re: Careful what you write, folks
Reply #100 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:33pm

mothra wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:16pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:36pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 2:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 11:59am:

...
there is a path out of this hell for the right and its probably an easier path.
you simply find something meaningful to do , like building a business or mastering a profession ...

Like terrorism, you mean?

https://www.revealnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/figure1.png

Just to clarify, a large number of these right wing terrorist attacks are things like water bombing abortion clinics or anti establishment graffiting. These are all included in FBI stats as terrorist attacks. Nearly all the Islamic attacks listed resulted in multiple fatalities or death and maiming of innocent people. So what your statistics really show is that people in the West resort to throwing water balloons or drawing graffitti to show their political anger while Muslims set off nail bombs and fly aircraft into buildings.

As Greg likes to highlight with his statistics, Muslims are giving terrorists a bad name.

"According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh."

What are they dying from, FD - paint fumes?

Why is we don't hear about it then?

We sure hear about Islamic atrocities globally.

Are the FBI stats global?

Could this be ... ? I dare not hope ... but could this be ... Gnads ... having an epiphany?

It's not though is it. It's him thinking he's made a point.

Better than fudging stats to make a point.

When it comes to numbers of deaths far right white extremists don't rate in comparison .....

and you know it.

As for the rise in far right extremist activity what do you think is causing that?

I'd say it may have a fair bit to do with the extreme lefty progressive ideology that is being pushed through our education systems and society.

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Re: Careful what you write, folks
Reply #101 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:35pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:33pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:16pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:36pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 2:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 11:59am:

...
there is a path out of this hell for the right and its probably an easier path.
you simply find something meaningful to do , like building a business or mastering a profession ...

Like terrorism, you mean?

https://www.revealnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/figure1.png

Just to clarify, a large number of these right wing terrorist attacks are things like water bombing abortion clinics or anti establishment graffiting. These are all included in FBI stats as terrorist attacks. Nearly all the Islamic attacks listed resulted in multiple fatalities or death and maiming of innocent people. So what your statistics really show is that people in the West resort to throwing water balloons or drawing graffitti to show their political anger while Muslims set off nail bombs and fly aircraft into buildings.

As Greg likes to highlight with his statistics, Muslims are giving terrorists a bad name.

"According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh."

What are they dying from, FD - paint fumes?

Why is we don't hear about it then?

We sure hear about Islamic atrocities globally.

Are the FBI stats global?

Could this be ... ? I dare not hope ... but could this be ... Gnads ... having an epiphany?

It's not though is it. It's him thinking he's made a point.

Better than fudging stats to make a point.

When it comes to numbers of deaths far right white extremists don't rate in comparison .....

Are your eyes working today?

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Re: Careful what you write, folks
Reply #102 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:35pm

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:31pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:49am:

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:36am:

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 11:23am:

Quote:

Ahh. We're in America's borders again.

And also limiting Islamic terrorism to two organisation that are barely active there. Greg is a one trick pony on this.

That's the whole point, FD.

The Muslims aren't very active at all - it's the white supremacists who are doing most of the killing.

"According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh."

I guess the fumes from those spray-paint cans must be pretty lethal.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/ebf8cb52c77fde090f4fd80c945162e1/tenor.gif

So why limit your stats to only two Muslim terrorist organisations?

If your answer is anything other than because you are lying or enjoy mocking the victims of Islamic terrorism, you should say.

You're shooting the messenger again, FD.

"According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh."

Why don't you believe the FBI?

I did not say I don't believe the FBI data. I believe you are being very selective with it to lie or to mock the victims of Islamic terrorism.

You are selecting by time period and geography, as well as selecting Islamic terrorism by group in a way you do not for white supremacism.

I believe you are mocking the victims of right wing extremism. By your own admission, Islamic extremism barely presents in Western countries.

Why are you choosing to ignore, nay minimise and refute the victims of right wing extremism in the West? Mock them, even.

Again you lie. Where did I say that?

I never lie. I don't need to:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:36pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 2:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 11:59am:

...
there is a path out of this hell for the right and its probably an easier path.
you simply find something meaningful to do , like building a business or mastering a profession ...

Like terrorism, you mean?

https://www.revealnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/figure1.png

Just to clarify, a large number of these right wing terrorist attacks are things like water bombing abortion clinics or anti establishment graffiting. These are all included in FBI stats as terrorist attacks. Nearly all the Islamic attacks listed resulted in multiple fatalities or death and maiming of innocent people. So what your statistics really show is that people in the West resort to throwing water balloons or drawing graffitti to show their political anger while Muslims set off nail bombs and fly aircraft into buildings.

As Greg likes to highlight with his statistics, Muslims are giving terrorists a bad name.

"According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh."

What are they dying from, FD - paint fumes?

You mean more killings in the US than groups that are barely active in the US? Are you chronically confused, or just lying on behalf of Islam?

Have you heard anyone say "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" since 9/11?

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Re: Careful what you write, folks
Reply #103 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:23pm:

Europe?

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist attacks
continue to far outnumber attacks carried out by
violent extremists inspired by any other ideologies or
motivations."

Separatist = 67%

Jihadist = 16%

EUROPEAN UNION TERRORISM SITUATION AND TREND REPORT 2018 (TESAT 2018)

Here you are doing the same thing. Islam is the only identifiable movement in those statistics.

Incorrect.

Read the report.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/activities-services/main-reports/european-union-te...

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist" is not an identifiable ideology. Islam is.

Why do you feel the need to lie in defense of Islam?

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Re: Careful what you write, folks
Reply #104 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:36pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:33pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:16pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:36pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 2:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 11:59am:

...
there is a path out of this hell for the right and its probably an easier path.
you simply find something meaningful to do , like building a business or mastering a profession ...

Like terrorism, you mean?

https://www.revealnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/figure1.png

Just to clarify, a large number of these right wing terrorist attacks are things like water bombing abortion clinics or anti establishment graffiting. These are all included in FBI stats as terrorist attacks. Nearly all the Islamic attacks listed resulted in multiple fatalities or death and maiming of innocent people. So what your statistics really show is that people in the West resort to throwing water balloons or drawing graffitti to show their political anger while Muslims set off nail bombs and fly aircraft into buildings.

As Greg likes to highlight with his statistics, Muslims are giving terrorists a bad name.

"According to recent FBI data, white supremacists in the US have committed far more killings than members of groups like Al Qaeda and Daesh."

What are they dying from, FD - paint fumes?

Why is we don't hear about it then?

We sure hear about Islamic atrocities globally.

Are the FBI stats global?

Could this be ... ? I dare not hope ... but could this be ... Gnads ... having an epiphany?

It's not though is it. It's him thinking he's made a point.

Better than fudging stats to make a point.

When it comes to numbers of deaths far right white extremists don't rate in comparison .....

and you know it.

As for the rise in far right extremist activity what do you think is causing that?

I'd say it may have a fair bit to do with the extreme lefty progressive ideology that is being pushed through our education systems and society.

Go you freedom fighters, yeah?

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