freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2019 at 1:41pm:


There are plenty of movies about Muhammad.

What you mean is they refrain from making mocking movies of Muhammad. And the reason for that is most likely that it is offensive and most people don't want to be offensive. And there would obviously be substantially less people in the movie-making industry who have the resources, and the wherewithal to do it - even amateurishly.  And obviously for these reasons a hollywood blockbuster would be the least likely. And thats to do with common decency, not being cowered by Islamists.

Even those who weren't worried about being dicks and wanted to be offensive would have to weigh up the social and commercial backlash caused by progressives doing their outrage thing. If they were in the movie industry already, they soon wouldn't be. And again, that has nothing to do with the Islamists. Its also not exclusive to Islam. Try making a blockbuster mocking something sacred to the jews, and see how far that goes.

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2019 at 1:41pm:


You want to portray our society as one cowering in fear from Islamists who have a complete stranglehold on any free expression that criticises anything Islamic.

I say BS.

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2019 at 6:39pm:


Baseless.

And why is your sole criteria for things not happening on the mock Muhammad front a blockbuster Hollywood movie? Do you agree that Hollywood wouldn't touch a movie that offends jews in any way with a 10 foot pole?

I think blockbuster movies is about the worst example you could come up with. Hollywood have to be PC for whole bunch of reasons that have nothing to do with fearing they will literally lose their heads.

Why doesn't just about any other medium for mocking Islam and Muhammad you could think of - youtube, images, cartoons - count? Oh thats right, because that stuff happens all the time. And no, one Charlie Hebdo shooting has not stopped it.

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2019 at 6:39pm:


What you actually say is that Islam is the greatest threat to freedom. You cite Islamist attacks on free speech like Charlie Hebdo and your imagined Islamist-fearing self-censoring as proof. You then "actually say" that no one could ever make a Hollywood film mocking Muhammad - again because of people cowering in fear from the Islamists. You are so obsessed with this imagined Islamist intimidation, that you don't even consider the obvious reason such critical expression is avoided - which is the same reason criticism of things like jews, the holocaust, and pretty much every dark skinned culture is avoided like the plague. And its nothing to do with fearing for one's life or limb.

I'll take this one, FD.

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You people like to take offence Gandalf. What is it about Muslims and being offended?

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And you think threatening them will work?

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Why is it that for Muslims it always comes back to the Jews?

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Do you think Australia is special in that we could get away with making a movie that mocks Muhammad?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2019 at 7:46pm:


You are once again lying about what I actually say Gandalf.

And there are plenty of movies mocking Jews and Black people. But none mocking Muhammad. That's because Jews and black people don't go into violent uncontrollable rages around the world and murder people in response. Muslims do.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2019 at 11:27am:


What about Europe?

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2019 at 9:08pm:


Sure there are FD - I believe Hitler made a few. What say we engage Hollywood to do a remake of 'The Eternal Jew' - I'm sure the distributors will be falling over themselves to be part of that - right?

Could you name me just one Hollywood film from say the last 30 years that is about actual ridiculing of jews?

Or did you actually just mean films like Independence Day with the dear old jewish dad who said cute 'jewish' things to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy in an otherwise crappy situation?

Also, unlike 'jew-mocking' movies, there really are plenty of movies mocking muslims (and I mean actual mocking). eg Four Lions.

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2019 at 9:08pm:


What about it?

Do you think that because your favourite massacre happened there, that means the place is radically different to the rest of the west in terms of people willing to mock Islam?

Sorry to dissapoint you, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

LOL FD - you actually present a list of "jewish related comedies" as examples of "movies ridiculing jews". What a joke. I have seen keeping the faith, and it is simply farcical to claim the jewish character is being ridiculed.

I think its safe to say they are not exactly "The eternal jew" now are they? How do you reckon a remake of that would go down in Hollywood? That would be an actual example of a movie "ridiculing jews"

And such a shame we couldn't possibly come up with a list of movies that poke fun of muslims could we? I mean they just *NEVER* happen right?

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 8:55am:


Ah yes, thats totally equivalent to a movie that specifically ridicules Islam's most central and revered prophet right?

I don't know exactly what religious icon/symbol/prophet jews most revere, but whatever it is, try using the ridiculing of that as a comparison - rather than simply "poking fun at jews" in some feel good comedy with all round nice guy Ben Stiller.

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 8:55am:


You could have at least read beyond the first sentence and responded to that.

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 1:09pm:


No, but neither could you find any equivalent for judaism either - at least not one in the last 40 years. You compare apples with oranges - thinking that an equivalent movie mocking Muhammad is something like Keeping the Faith or some equally ridiculous comparison.

The point is, Hollywood steers clear of just about anything overtly critical of non-white, non-christian culture or religion. And the reasons have little to do with fearing for life or limb.

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 1:09pm:


Yes FD, mere 'details' that I said that I don't believe Europe is any more affected by self-censorship vis Islam mocking than the rest of the west. No need to bother with the direct answer to your question eh FD?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 11:21am:


The Little Green Book — Ayatollah Khomeini


Islam is a religion of those who struggle for truth and justice, of those who clamor for liberty and independence. It is the school of those who fight against colonialism.


There are eleven things which are impure: urine, excrement, sperm, bones, blood, dogs, pigs, non-Muslim men and women, wine, beer, and the sweat of the excrement-eating camel.


The meat of horses, mules, or donkeys is not recommended. It is strictly forbidden if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man. In that case, the animal must be taken outside the city and sold.

If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it.

Drinking wine or alcoholic beverages is a mortal sin, and is strictly forbidden. Whoever consumes an alcoholic beverage retains only a part of his soul, that part of it which is deformed and nasty; he is damned by Allah, His archangels, His prophets, and His believers. Such a man’s daily prayers are rejected by Allah for forty days. On the day of the resurrection of the dead, his face will turn black, his tongue will hang out of his mouth, his saliva will run down his chest, and he will remain forever thirsty. 

https://islammonitor.org/uploads/docs/greenbook.pdf

Islam managers the lives of its adherents in minute detail.

No jokes in Islam.



Unlike with the jews.