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Reply #375 - May 13^th, 2019 at 4:24pm

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differentiate the moderate from the exteme,

The qur'an preaches hatred and death of the non believer and hypocrite believers.

So what's the difference between the *moderate* and the extreme?

The extreme follow the hate / death commands to the very letter, rape torture and mass murder is the order of the day for them.

The moderates far from wanting to have a reformation and expunge this evil from their doctrine, simply lie saying it's all misinterpreted, that the bits about rape torture and mass murder signify something else.

How long will the world put up with the lies of the *moderates* before it demands that muslims take responsibility for the innumerable evil verses in their doctrine, which causes the rape torture and mass murder committed by the extremists?

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Reply #376 - May 13^th, 2019 at 4:26pm

moses wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 4:24pm:

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differentiate the moderate from the exteme,

The qur'an preaches hatred and death of the non believer and hypocrite believers.

So what's the difference between the *moderate* and the extreme?

The extreme follow the hate / death commands to the very letter, rape torture and mass murder is the order of the day for them.

The moderates far from wanting to have a reformation and expunge this evil from their doctrine, simply lie saying it's all misinterpreted, that the bits about rape torture and mass murder signify something else.

How long will the world put up with the lies of the *moderates* before it demands that muslims take responsibility for the innumerable evil verses in their doctrine, which causes the rape torture and mass murder of the extremists?

And upon that day, Islam will cease to exist, no?

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Reply #377 - May 13^th, 2019 at 4:26pm

The Bible preaches hatred and death of the non believer and hypocrite believers.

So what's the difference between the *moderate* and the extreme?

The extreme follow the hate / death commands to the very letter, rape torture and mass murder is the order of the day for them.

The moderates far from wanting to have a reformation and expunge this evil from their doctrine, simply lie saying it's all misinterpreted, that the bits about rape torture and mass murder signify something else.

How long will the world put up with the lies of the *moderates* before it demands that Christians take responsibility for the innumerable evil verses in their doctrine, which causes the rape torture and mass murder of the extremists? Roll Eyes

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Reply #378 - May 13^th, 2019 at 4:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 4:26pm:

The Bible preaches hatred and death of the non believer and hypocrite believers.

So what's the difference between the *moderate* and the extreme?

The extreme follow the hate / death commands to the very letter, rape torture and mass murder is the order of the day for them.

The moderates far from wanting to have a reformation and expunge this evil from their doctrine, simply lie saying it's all misinterpreted, that the bits about rape torture and mass murder signify something else.

How long will the world put up with the lies of the *moderates* before it demands that Christians take responsibility for the innumerable evil verses in their doctrine, which causes the rape torture and mass murder of the extremists? Roll Eyes

I keep asking Moses that, Brian. He says you have to hate the Muselman because the devil tempted prophet Yeheshua in the desert.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Fraser Anning speaks out against Muslims. Reply #379 - May 13^th, 2019 at 4:33pm Truth will show the qur'an is a flawed evil book, authored to give doctrinal support to the jihadists in whatever depraved deed they participated, while spreading the revamped moon god allahs' new religion of hate (islam).
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Reply #380 - May 13^th, 2019 at 5:05pm

Mattyfisk wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 4:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 4:26pm:

The Bible preaches hatred and death of the non believer and hypocrite believers.

So what's the difference between the *moderate* and the extreme?

The extreme follow the hate / death commands to the very letter, rape torture and mass murder is the order of the day for them.

The moderates far from wanting to have a reformation and expunge this evil from their doctrine, simply lie saying it's all misinterpreted, that the bits about rape torture and mass murder signify something else.

How long will the world put up with the lies of the *moderates* before it demands that Christians take responsibility for the innumerable evil verses in their doctrine, which causes the rape torture and mass murder of the extremists? Roll Eyes

I keep asking Moses that, Brian. He says you have to hate the Muselman because the devil tempted prophet Yeheshua in the desert.

They should stone the Devil to death.

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Reply #383 - May 13^th, 2019 at 6:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 1:57pm:

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2019 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 12^th, 2019 at 6:07pm:

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2019 at 2:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 12^th, 2019 at 2:07pm:

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2019 at 8:04am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 10:56pm:

Frank wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:41pm:

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 3:24pm:

Gee thanks Brian. Who would have thought that Muslims can have children?

I am sure you and your fellow Islamophobes dislike them doing that, hey, Freediver? Roll Eyes

What's the difference between Islamophobia and Individualophobia, Bwian?
The ideology and any particular believer of it?

I think the only intellectually and psychologically rational response to Islam is to resist it, at the very least be weary of it - and to CRITICALLY examine it. That little word, 'critically', gives you the shivers, Bwian. A critical examination - and (the horror!!) rejection - of Islam send you into an apoplexy of convulsive virtue-signalling.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Soren. I have no qualms at all of anyone being critical of Islam. However, those criticisms should be based upon reality, not Islamophobic fantasies. If you applied an equal measure of critical examination to Christianity, I don't doubt you'd be seen as a Christianophobe, Soren. The problem is, you don't. You instead choose to persecute Muslims because you refuse to even understand their religion. You would prefer to merely display your hatred and your desire to well, cesterate them all, right? Roll Eyes

No-one is seen as a Christianophobe.

Really? Yet I have frequently in this forum been called one, FD. Does that make the people who called me wrong? Really? Roll Eyes

I am sure you have, but only as a way of mocking the incredibly stupid things you post.

Ah, so they didn't mean what they said, FD? Interesting. Roll Eyes

They are not genuine whiners in the sense that people who use the term Islamophobe are. They use the term to mock you or highlight how idiotic it is to demand special treatment for one religion.

Really? They are it seems to any casual observers to be actually whinging and whining about only one religion, FD. In their whinges and whining they make no effort to differentiate the moderate from the exteme, the Terrorists from the law abiding. Muslims are not demanding special treatement, they want equal treatment. They want their religion to be accorded the same respect that Christianity is, nothing more. You, however take that to mean they want more than Christianity presently receives. Could it be because you are an Islamophobe? Roll Eyes

Christianity is mocked mercilessly. Muslims want special treatment for Islam. The respect it gets should have nothing to do with how much respect Christianity gets. It deserves far less, but gets more, due to the constant whining about Islamophobia, and the very real threat of death for mocking it. The very notion that it deserves equal respect to some other religion just because it also claims to be a religion is but one example of the infinite demands for special treatment made for Islam.

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Re: Fraser Anning speaks out against Muslims.
Reply #384 - May 13^th, 2019 at 6:43pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 3:21pm:

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 2:49pm:

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 6:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 3:06pm:

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 12:38pm:

Gandalf are Nazis violent even if they do not act violently?

I mean they advocate and support violence. Whether that means they partake in violence themselves, or cheer on their fellow nazis who do. Either way violence is a nazi's modus operandi, and they absolutely support it 100%.

Can you expand on this acknowledgement of people (presumably including muslims) who "exhibit all sorts of moral flexibility", and how it fits in with your insistence that absolutely 100% of muslims, men women and children are of one mind in their unquestioning support of genocide?

Why do you think that muslims can so flagrantly disobey what you believe is the commands in Quranic chapter 9 and elsewhere and be "peace loving muslims", but cannot possibly give any leeway in the whole "must support Muhammad" thing and reject genocide?

It's called hypocrisy Gandalf. It was ISIS policy to target the hypocrits for death first, before the Jews. The Quran itself has plenty of rants against the hypocrits.

What "commands" are you referring to?

Can you clarify that you are retracting this statement?

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Nazis are 100% racist and violent.

They are 100% racist and 100% support violence. Apologies I wasn't clear the first time.

And what you are saying now is that muslims can not only be 'morally flexible', but also hypocrits on doctrine. Presumably you say all this while maintaining that 100% of muslims, men women and children, will absolutely never ever always support genocide. Can you confirm this?

I've never met a Muslim who doesn't support genocide. Have you?

Even your work buddies who you had beers with?

Funny claim to make FD after you specifically said you avoided the topic with them.

It didn't come up in conversation Gandalf.

How about you. Have you ever met a Muslim who doesn't support genocide?

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FD can you confirm that you think muslims can "exhibit all sorts of moral flexibility" and be hypocrits on Islamic doctrine, but never ever on the issue of supporting genocide - not a single man woman or child in the entire 1.5 billion population of muslims?

I have already acknowledged the theoretical possibility that I am wrong on this, hence my repeated suggestions that you provide an example to prove me wrong.

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Re: Fraser Anning speaks out against Muslims.
Reply #385 - May 13^th, 2019 at 7:22pm

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 6:43pm:

I have already acknowledged the theoretical possibility that I am wrong on this

Really FD?

Funny, such acknowledgement doesn't seem clear in the blaring headline "All muslims support genocide".

Is your argument now "all muslims support genocide - until proven otherwise"?

Cause that just doesn't seem fair.

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my repeated suggestions that you provide an example to prove me wrong.

I don't know FD, to me, the idea that it is incumbent upon muslims to 'prove' they are not genocide supporters before you stop labelling us all as such - just seems like a massive insult. But thats just me.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Fraser Anning speaks out against Muslims.
Reply #386 - May 13^th, 2019 at 7:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 6:43pm:

I have already acknowledged the theoretical possibility that I am wrong on this

Really FD?

Funny, such acknowledgement doesn't seem clear in the blaring headline "All muslims support genocide".

Is your argument now "all muslims support genocide - until proven otherwise"?

Cause that just doesn't seem fair.

I have said the same thing recently, pretty much word for word Gandalf.

I really do want you to try to think of a Muslim you have met who does not support genocide.

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Reply #387 - May 13^th, 2019 at 7:32pm

Seriously though FD, do you honestly think these 'tell me who you know' games actually proves anything?

How about we try actual debating with proper arguments and logic?

Like say, something less idiotic than thinking that getting me to present a muslim (or make one up) who doesn't support genocide is actually a good way to refute the idiotic claim that every single muslim, man woman and child support genocide?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #388 - May 13^th, 2019 at 7:32pm

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 6:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 1:57pm:

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2019 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 12^th, 2019 at 6:07pm:

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2019 at 2:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 12^th, 2019 at 2:07pm:

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2019 at 8:04am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 10:56pm:

Frank wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 6:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 5:41pm:

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 3:24pm:

Gee thanks Brian. Who would have thought that Muslims can have children?

I am sure you and your fellow Islamophobes dislike them doing that, hey, Freediver? Roll Eyes

What's the difference between Islamophobia and Individualophobia, Bwian?
The ideology and any particular believer of it?

I think the only intellectually and psychologically rational response to Islam is to resist it, at the very least be weary of it - and to CRITICALLY examine it. That little word, 'critically', gives you the shivers, Bwian. A critical examination - and (the horror!!) rejection - of Islam send you into an apoplexy of convulsive virtue-signalling.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Soren. I have no qualms at all of anyone being critical of Islam. However, those criticisms should be based upon reality, not Islamophobic fantasies. If you applied an equal measure of critical examination to Christianity, I don't doubt you'd be seen as a Christianophobe, Soren. The problem is, you don't. You instead choose to persecute Muslims because you refuse to even understand their religion. You would prefer to merely display your hatred and your desire to well, cesterate them all, right? Roll Eyes

No-one is seen as a Christianophobe.

Really? Yet I have frequently in this forum been called one, FD. Does that make the people who called me wrong? Really? Roll Eyes

I am sure you have, but only as a way of mocking the incredibly stupid things you post.

Ah, so they didn't mean what they said, FD? Interesting. Roll Eyes

They are not genuine whiners in the sense that people who use the term Islamophobe are. They use the term to mock you or highlight how idiotic it is to demand special treatment for one religion.

Really? They are it seems to any casual observers to be actually whinging and whining about only one religion, FD. In their whinges and whining they make no effort to differentiate the moderate from the exteme, the Terrorists from the law abiding. Muslims are not demanding special treatement, they want equal treatment. They want their religion to be accorded the same respect that Christianity is, nothing more. You, however take that to mean they want more than Christianity presently receives. Could it be because you are an Islamophobe? Roll Eyes

Christianity is mocked mercilessly. Muslims want special treatment for Islam. The respect it gets should have nothing to do with how much respect Christianity gets. It deserves far less, but gets more, due to the constant whining about Islamophobia, and the very real threat of death for mocking it. The very notion that it deserves equal respect to some other religion just because it also claims to be a religion is but one example of the infinite demands for special treatment made for Islam.

It might have escaped you, FD, but 1.6 billion people believe in Islam which makes it the second largest religion in the world. It deserves the same respect that Christianity gets from Government and from the MSM. You may believe otherwise but Muslims get angry when their religion is mocked, just as some Christians do, when Christianity is mocked. Roll Eyes

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Re: Fraser Anning speaks out against Muslims.
Reply #389 - May 13^th, 2019 at 8:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 7:32pm:

Seriously though FD, do you honestly think these 'tell me who you know' games actually proves anything?

How about we try actual debating with proper arguments and logic?

Like say, something less idiotic than thinking that getting me to present a muslim (or make one up) who doesn't support genocide is actually a good way to refute the idiotic claim that every single muslim, man woman and child support genocide?

Did you delete that comment about your daughter?

I am making a claim that is impossible to prove but trivial to disprove - if it is wrong. So it is entirely reasonable for me to put the ball in your court and suggest you provide the example that proves me wrong.

Note I am not suggesting you make it up. I am suggesting you find an actual real life Muslim who does not support genocide.

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