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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #330 - Apr 26^th, 2019 at 3:14pm

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 12:53pm:

Global warming is caused by our cars and planes and and factories.

So how do you explain the warming in prior warming periods? Long before cars , planes and factories?

What is the "normal" temperature of the earth so that we can tell what warming is natural and that which is not?

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 12:53pm:

We're only just going off the evidence, dear.

What evidence is that? Climate models? Climate models are not science.

Surely you're not going with correlation is causation?

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 12:53pm:

The "human caused" part's just PR, started up by the fossil fuel lobbies and spread by Fox News and Liberal/National politicians.

Oh dear so all global warming is man made?

Was it the Romans driving their 6 in hands (horses) that caused the Roman Warm period?

How about that Hannibal eh, driving elephants over the top of snowy mountains. Wink

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 12:53pm:

Now I'm curious. If you're saying you haven't made up your mind yet, why are all your posts about denying global warming?

You still haven't posted any evidence of that. Or the one where I said the earth is cooling. Make up your mind.

As I said before you only consistency is your inconsistency.

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Reply #331 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 10:06am

lee wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 6:22pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 6:14pm:

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/5/eaar5809.full

Climate models predict increasing temperature variability in poor countries

Too funny. Climate models do so where are the climate scientists who said so before the climate models? It must be based on something mustn't it?

And from 2018? The last time I looked that was nowhere near "two decades" ago.

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 6:14pm:

Extreme events such as heat waves are among the most challenging aspects of climate change for societies. We show that climate models consistently project increases in temperature variability in tropical countries over the coming decades, with the Amazon as a particular hotspot of concern.

Oh somewhere in the future?

How far in to the future petal? Grin

You do know climate models are proof of nothing?

It's already happening, as your own evidence demonstrates. Once more a climate skeptic discredits himself with his own evidence, and still does not realise even after it is pointed out to him.

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Reply #332 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 11:04am

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 12:45pm:

Ajax wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 9:16am:

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 8:16pm:

Man-made climate change is a hoax.

X2....................... Cool

Seems to be the consensus here, Lee. Still not calling it a hoax?

Is there a scale for consensus among nongs ?

Is this a 9.5 on the nong scale ?

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 62090 Here Gender:	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #333 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 11:06am If you want to address carbon omissions then having a fixed price on production of these emissions is the most direct and efficient method to do so. Carbon Trading and the other options all expose the process to corruption and counter productive processes.
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Paki gob on a stick Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103672	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #334 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 11:07am Lee's got an open mind, FD. For all we know, the world could be cooling. Siberia had a most unseasonable cold snap last year, you know. We have to consider all the evidence, you see.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21376 Gender:	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #335 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 1:00pm freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 10:06am: It's already happening, as your own evidence demonstrates. No petal. According to the science it is in the future, " project increases in temperature variability in tropical countries over the coming decades". Climate model predictions.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21376 Gender:	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #336 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 1:02pm Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 11:07am: Lee's got an open mind, FD. While Karnal has no mind. Never mind.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21376 Gender:	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #337 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 1:03pm Dnarever wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 11:04am: Is there a scale for consensus among nongs ? Is this a 9.5 on the nong scale ? yes. They think they know about AGW and how we are all gunna fry.
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Paki gob on a stick Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103672	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #338 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:32pm lee wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 1:02pm: Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 11:07am: Lee's got an open mind, FD. While Karnal has no mind. Never mind. Quote me.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21376 Gender:	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #339 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:39pm Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:32pm: Quote me. I just did. Bite me.
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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #340 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:56pm

I inlee wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 1:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 11:04am:

Is there a scale for consensus among nongs ?

Is this a 9.5 on the nong scale ?

yes. They think they know about AGW and how we are all gunna fry. Grin

I would do no such thing, Lee, I might get drugged by your chuckles.

Now back to the topic, what's the best way to deal with global warming?

I look forward to your considered response.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 62090 Here Gender:	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #341 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 3:46pm lee wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 1:03pm: Dnarever wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 11:04am: Is there a scale for consensus among nongs ? Is this a 9.5 on the nong scale ? yes. They think they know about AGW and how we are all gunna fry. Don't suppose you could post something that is true ?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21376 Gender:	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #342 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 3:47pm Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:56pm: Now back to the topic, what's the best way to deal with global warming? Seeing as climate is considered to be at least 30 years weather, per WMO; how does man control weather?
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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #343 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 3:56pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 3:46pm:

Don't suppose you could post something that is true ?

""Climate change is different because we have an expiration date. And the IPCC report says that we've got 12 years to turn it around, " asserted Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) during a recent MSNBC town hall. "So my concern is that we are going to be the frog in the pot of boiling water and we're going to debate and debate and debate and debate and then when we finally pass something it is a wimpy carbon tax and our kids are doomed."

https://reason.com/2019/04/05/rep-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-is-wrong-th/

She didn't say "fry" but according to her it won't be because we froze to death. Wink

"Climate Change Isn’t Just Frying the Planet—It’s Fraying Our Nerves"

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/02/climate-change-isnt-just-frying-...

Wink

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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #344 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 4:01pm

lee wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 3:47pm:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:56pm:

Now back to the topic, what's the best way to deal with global warming?

Seeing as climate is considered to be at least 30 years weather, per WMO; how does man control weather? Roll Eyes

That's a question, dear. I asked you how we should deal with it.

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