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Reply #270 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 11:46am
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:22am:
You argument is based solidly on an untrue assertion. In fact there are theories that show how warming can be associated with more moderate weather conditions like less hail and less Hurricanes in some areas.



But that is NOT a part of the CO2 mantra.

And then of course the CO2 induced Polar Vortex. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #271 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 1:24pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 8:27pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 8:06pm:
Thanks Lee. It shows greater variability in recent times, which is what most scientists were predicting.



Yes. Weather has always been variable. So what is new? Wink

"The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible."

IPCC TAR WG1, Working Group I: The Scientific Basis


I highlighted the bit that was new for you.
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Reply #272 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 1:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 8:06pm:
Thanks Lee. It shows greater variability in recent times, which is what most scientists were predicting.


You mean these same folks that told us through the 1970's that we would be in glacial state by 2000.

Then they changed their minds to global warming and still got it wrong bwhhaahaaahaa.

You trust in these FOOLS............!!!

AND what to pay through the nose for it.....!!!
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Reply #273 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 2:15pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 1:24pm:
I highlighted the bit that was new for you.


No petal. Another one of your obvious distortions as you try to gain ground. Poor you. Cry

But perhaps you can quote where they said that there would be greater variability? Or not.

Another fact free zone.
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Reply #274 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 2:56pm
 
Ajax wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 1:40pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 8:06pm:
Thanks Lee. It shows greater variability in recent times, which is what most scientists were predicting.


You mean these same folks that told us through the 1970's that we would be in glacial state by 2000.

Then they changed their minds to global warming and still got it wrong bwhhaahaaahaa.

You trust in these FOOLS............!!!

AND what to pay through the nose for it.....!!!


I mean what I said in the highlighted bit. Once again you claimed to be refuting something by posting the evidence that supports it. Perhaps if you took 30 seconds to understand what you think you disagree with first you wouldn't keep doing this.
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Reply #275 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 3:09pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 2:56pm:
Once again you claimed to be refuting something by posting the evidence that supports it.



Please quote this "science" that says there will be increased variability. It is your claim. Back it up with references. So far all we have is an assertion.

You do understand the difference between the two? Roll Eyes
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Reply #276 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 8:56pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 11:46am:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:22am:
You argument is based solidly on an untrue assertion. In fact there are theories that show how warming can be associated with more moderate weather conditions like less hail and less Hurricanes in some areas.



But that is NOT a part of the CO2 mantra.

And then of course the CO2 induced Polar Vortex. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Just keep on throwing irrelevance in meant to obfuscate.

It looks like the Polar vortex may be warming induced or influenced but the result isn't in yet. Don't think anyone has said that the polar vortex is directly CO2 induced (except for you), some say that it may be caused by the warming and reduced ice.

How do you fit polar vortex into this topic ? Are you making an argument that it proves global warming, that it disproves global warming or that it is related to a need for a carbon penalty ?

You have stated an effect but as per usual do not seem to have a point or an opinion, just shovelling more mud.
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Reply #277 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 8:58pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 3:09pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 2:56pm:
Once again you claimed to be refuting something by posting the evidence that supports it.



Please quote this "science" that says there will be increased variability. It is your claim. Back it up with references. So far all we have is an assertion.

You do understand the difference between the two? Roll Eyes


Is there really a need to backup statements which have been common knowledge for 2 decades ?
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Reply #278 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:01pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 8:56pm:
It looks like the Polar vortex may be warming induced or influenced but the result isn't in yet. Don't think anyone has said that the polar vortex is directly CO2 induced (except for you), some say that it may be caused by the warming and reduced ice.



"When the polar vortex pieces wander, warmth invades the Arctic, Alaska, Greenland and Canada, Masters said. While the Midwest chills, Australia has been broiling to record-breaking heat. The world as a whole on Monday was 0.7 degrees (0.4 degrees Celsius) warmer than the 1979-2000 average, according to the University of Maine's Climate Reanalyzer.

Some scientists—but by no means most—see a connection between human-caused climate change and difference in atmospheric pressure that causes slower moving waves in the air.

"It's a complicated story that involves a hefty dose of chaos and an interplay among multiple influences, so extracting a clear signal of the Arctic's role is challenging," said Jennifer Francis, a climate scientist at the Woods Hole Research Center. Several recent papers have made the case for the connection, she noted.

"This symptom of global warming is counterintuitive for those in the cross-hairs of these extreme cold spells," Francis said in an email. "But these events provide an excellent opportunity to help the public understand some of the 'interesting' ways that climate change will unfold." "

https://phys.org/news/2019-01-science-polar-vortex-outbreaks.html

So some do some don't. Definitely NOT a case of no one apart from me has done so. Wink

Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 8:56pm:
You have stated an effect but as per usual do not seem to have a point or an opinion, just shovelling more mud.


I am merely quoting the "science". Wink
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Reply #279 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:03pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 8:58pm:
Is there really a need to backup statements which have been common knowledge for 2 decades ?



If it such common knowledge you shouldn't have any trouble proving it. Oh that's right - you don't do proof. Assertions, for you, are enough. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #280 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:29pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:01pm:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 8:56pm:
It looks like the Polar vortex may be warming induced or influenced but the result isn't in yet. Don't think anyone has said that the polar vortex is directly CO2 induced (except for you), some say that it may be caused by the warming and reduced ice.



"When the polar vortex pieces wander, warmth invades the Arctic, Alaska, Greenland and Canada, Masters said. While the Midwest chills, Australia has been broiling to record-breaking heat. The world as a whole on Monday was 0.7 degrees (0.4 degrees Celsius) warmer than the 1979-2000 average, according to the University of Maine's Climate Reanalyzer.

Some scientists—but by no means most—see a connection between human-caused climate change and difference in atmospheric pressure that causes slower moving waves in the air.

"It's a complicated story that involves a hefty dose of chaos and an interplay among multiple influences, so extracting a clear signal of the Arctic's role is challenging," said Jennifer Francis, a climate scientist at the Woods Hole Research Center. Several recent papers have made the case for the connection, she noted.

"This symptom of global warming is counterintuitive for those in the cross-hairs of these extreme cold spells," Francis said in an email. "But these events provide an excellent opportunity to help the public understand some of the 'interesting' ways that climate change will unfold." "

https://phys.org/news/2019-01-science-polar-vortex-outbreaks.html

So some do some don't. Definitely NOT a case of no one apart from me has done so. Wink

Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 8:56pm:
You have stated an effect but as per usual do not seem to have a point or an opinion, just shovelling more mud.


I am merely quoting the "science". Wink


Quote:
I am merely quoting the "science".


Keep telling yourself that Wardy.

The intention is clearly mud in the water.
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Reply #281 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:32pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:29pm:
Keep telling yourself that Wardy.



Oh Dear Poor Dna. Can't even read.

So it is not the "climate scientists" saying these things but me simply putting words in their mouths. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Are you mentally deficient?
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Reply #282 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:34pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:03pm:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 8:58pm:
Is there really a need to backup statements which have been common knowledge for 2 decades ?



If it such common knowledge you shouldn't have any trouble proving it. Oh that's right - you don't do proof. Assertions, for you, are enough. Grin Grin Grin Grin


Interesting that you follow this topic but have no knowledge of the base facts.
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Reply #283 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:41pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:32pm:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:29pm:
Keep telling yourself that Wardy.



Oh Dear Poor Dna. Can't even read.

So it is not the "climate scientists" saying these things but me simply putting words in their mouths. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Are you mentally deficient?


How are you putting it on me, I have no problem with the data or the facts presented just your misuse of them. I was clear it is your comprehension which is deficient.

You continually post information that may well be true but you have no position on it and it is seldom relevant to the argument that you are not making anyway. It is just noise - mud in the water it is clearly meant to obfuscate.

You mostly do not even believe the data you post as is evidenced by your denials of what Karnel said yesterday.


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Reply #284 - Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:47pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:34pm:
nteresting that you follow this topic but have no knowledge of the base facts.


Ah, Another assumption.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

But still no reference showing where I am wrong. Wink
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