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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #225 - Apr 20th, 2019 at 9:32pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 20th, 2019 at 8:54pm:
In another post you say climate change is no big deal. In another you say it's getting colder. In another you say it's getting warmer. In another you say Al Gore should stop catching planes, and on and on it goes.



No petal I want quotes. Not unsubstantiated drivel.

That isn't too hard for you is it?

You do know how to quote?
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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #226 - Apr 20th, 2019 at 9:54pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 20th, 2019 at 9:32pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 20th, 2019 at 8:54pm:
In another post you say climate change is no big deal. In another you say it's getting colder. In another you say it's getting warmer. In another you say Al Gore should stop catching planes, and on and on it goes.



No petal I want quotes. Not unsubstantiated drivel.

That isn't too hard for you is it?

You do know how to quote?


Why do you want quotes?
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Reply #227 - Apr 21st, 2019 at 8:48am
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 20th, 2019 at 9:54pm:
lee wrote on Apr 20th, 2019 at 9:32pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 20th, 2019 at 8:54pm:
In another post you say climate change is no big deal. In another you say it's getting colder. In another you say it's getting warmer. In another you say Al Gore should stop catching planes, and on and on it goes.



No petal I want quotes. Not unsubstantiated drivel.

That isn't too hard for you is it?

You do know how to quote?


Why do you want quotes?


To add to the things to ignore list ?

Or

Poor memory ?
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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #228 - Apr 21st, 2019 at 8:55am
 
lee wrote on Apr 20th, 2019 at 9:32pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 20th, 2019 at 8:54pm:
In another post you say climate change is no big deal. In another you say it's getting colder. In another you say it's getting warmer. In another you say Al Gore should stop catching planes, and on and on it goes.



No petal I want quotes. Not unsubstantiated drivel.

That isn't too hard for you is it?

You do know how to quote?


Lee could be right on this, I agree that Lee makes posts saying all these things and more but if you read his posts carefully you find that he virtually never actually agrees with anything that he posts. He is virtually a non entity.

The other comment was close to the mark: He never likes to take a position on anything.......except to discredit, obfuscate, confuse and ask rhetorical questions.
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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #229 - Apr 21st, 2019 at 9:54am
 
lee wrote on Apr 19th, 2019 at 9:33pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2019 at 9:11pm:
Just check the latest IPCC report. It has everything you need to know.



Oh you mean the new IPCC special report that used RCP 8.5 as its basis? The RCP 8.5 that even climate scientists say isn't feasible? That report? Those projections?

Or do you mean where they actually stated what has happened?

About extreme weather -

"Floods

"There was low confidence due to limited evidence, however, that anthropogenic climate change has affected the frequency and magnitude of floods. WGII AR5 also concluded that there is no evidence that surface water and groundwater drought
frequency has changed over the last few decades, although impacts of drought have increased mostly owing to increased water demand (Jiménez Cisneros et al., 2014)"

Drought

"The IPCC AR5 assessed that there was low confidence in the sign of drought trends since 1950 at the global scale, but that there was high confidence in observed trends in some regions of the world, including drought increases in the Mediterranean and West Africa and drought decreases in central North America and northwest Australia (Hartmann et al., 2013; Stocker et al., 2013). AR5 assessed that there was low confidence in the attribution of global changes in droughts and did not provide assessments for the attribution of regional changes in droughts (Bindoff et al., 2013a).

The recent literature does not suggest that the SREX and AR5 assessment of drought trends should be revised, except in the Mediterranean region. "

Cyclones

"Numerous studies leading up to and after AR5 have reported a decreasing trend in the global number of tropical cyclones and/or the globally accumulated cyclonic energy (Emanuel, 2005; Elsner et al., 2008; Knutson et al., 2010; Holland and Bruyère, 2014; Klotzbach and Landsea, 2015; Walsh et al., 2016). A theoretical physical basis for such a decrease to occur under global warming was recently provided by Kang and Elsner (2015). However, using a relatively short (20 year) and relatively homogeneous remotely sensed record, Klotzbach (2006) reported no significant trends in global cyclonic activity, consistent with more recent findings of Holland and Bruyère (2014). Such contradictions, in combination with the fact that the almost fourdecade-long period of remotely sensed observations remains relatively short to distinguish anthropogenically induced trends from decadal and multi-decadal variability, implies that there is only low confidencev regarding changes in global tropical cyclone numbers under global warming over the last four decades."

Precipitation

"Observed global changes in the water cycle, including precipitation, are more uncertain than observed changes in temperature (Hartmann et al., 2013; Stocker et al., 2013). There is high confidence that mean precipitation over the mid-latitude land areas of the Northern Hemisphere has increased since 1951 (Hartmann et al., 2013). For other latitudinal zones, area-averaged long-term positive or negative trends have low confidence because of poor data quality, incomplete data or disagreement amongst available estimates (Hartmann et al., 2013). There is, in particular, low confidence regarding observed trends in precipitation in monsoon regions, according to the SREX report (Seneviratne et al., 2012) and AR5 (Hartmann et al., 2013), as well as more recent publications (Singh et al., 2014; Taylor et al., 2017; Bichet and Diedhiou, 2018; see Supplementary Material 3.SM.2)."

https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/chapter/chapter-3/

SR5 also had projections for wildfires but no reference for observations. So I found a scientific paper on wildfires from 2017.

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Fire is an essential Earth system process that alters ecosystem and atmospheric composition. Here we assessed long-term fire trends using multiple satellite data sets. We found that global burned area declined by 24.3 ± 8.8% over the past 18 years. The estimated decrease in burned area remained robust after adjusting for precipitation variability and was largest in savannas. Agricultural expansion and intensification were primary drivers of declining fire activity. Fewer and smaller fires reduced aerosol concentrations, modified vegetation structure, and increased the magnitude of the terrestrial carbon sink. Fire models were unable to reproduce the pattern and magnitude of observed declines, suggesting that they may overestimate fire emissions in future projections. Using economic and demographic variables, we developed a conceptual model for predicting fire in human-dominated landscapes.


http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6345/1356

But tell us what you think the report says if you think it says something different.




They also cannot tell you whether it will be raining at your house one year from today. But there is plenty they can tell you. None of it good.
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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #230 - Apr 21st, 2019 at 11:45am
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 20th, 2019 at 9:54pm:
Why do you want quotes?



Because I want to see the context in which they were made.

That is seasonable isn't it?

Eg Did I say Al Gore should not use planes because he is notionally against fossil fuel use? Because he's rich and I'm not? Because he already has a large  "carbon" (CO2) footprint?
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Reply #231 - Apr 21st, 2019 at 11:46am
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 8:55am:
lee wrote on Apr 20th, 2019 at 9:32pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 20th, 2019 at 8:54pm:
In another post you say climate change is no big deal. In another you say it's getting colder. In another you say it's getting warmer. In another you say Al Gore should stop catching planes, and on and on it goes.



No petal I want quotes. Not unsubstantiated drivel.

That isn't too hard for you is it?

You do know how to quote?


Lee could be right on this, I agree that Lee makes posts saying all these things and more but if you read his posts carefully you find that he virtually never actually agrees with anything that he posts. He is virtually a non entity.

The other comment was close to the mark: He never likes to take a position on anything.......except to discredit, obfuscate, confuse and ask rhetorical questions.



perhaps you too can quote me? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #232 - Apr 21st, 2019 at 11:59am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 9:54am:
They also cannot tell you whether it will be raining at your house one year from today.



That's true. Do you think they should have something after 40 years of climate science?

Did you know cyclones/hurricanes have actually fallen?

We have a good history of cyclones hurricanes going back 100 years. Satellite observed cyclones/hurricanes since 1980.


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freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 9:54am:
But there is plenty they can tell you.


You mean like "The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible" ?

- IPCC TAR WG1, Working Group I: The Scientific Basis
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Reply #233 - Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:05pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 11:45am:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 20th, 2019 at 9:54pm:
Why do you want quotes?



Because I want to see the context in which they were made.

That is seasonable isn't it?

Eg Did I say Al Gore should not use planes because he is notionally against fossil fuel use? Because he's rich and I'm not? Because he already has a large  "carbon" (CO2) footprint?


I'm not sure, Lee. Maybe you're a lobbyist for the horse and cart industry.

You won't say, eh?
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Reply #234 - Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:07pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 8:48am:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 20th, 2019 at 9:54pm:
lee wrote on Apr 20th, 2019 at 9:32pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 20th, 2019 at 8:54pm:
In another post you say climate change is no big deal. In another you say it's getting colder. In another you say it's getting warmer. In another you say Al Gore should stop catching planes, and on and on it goes.



No petal I want quotes. Not unsubstantiated drivel.

That isn't too hard for you is it?

You do know how to quote?


Why do you want quotes?


To add to the things to ignore list ?

Or

Poor memory ?


Oh, Lee doesn't have a poor memory, Dnarever. He remembers every argument that's been put into his mouth by the News Ltd-led cabul.

Look at the one he's just cunningly remembered.
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Reply #235 - Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:10pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:05pm:
I'm not sure, Lee.



Ah well that says it all. You don't know the context of the remarks. Grin Grin Grin Grin

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:05pm:
Maybe you're a lobbyist for the horse and cart industry.

You won't say, eh?


Yes, I can. I am definitely not an advocate for the horse and cart industry.

BRW - Did you know back at the turn of the 20th century New York thought they were going to be inundated with horse manure from carts and hansom cabs? It never happened - technology happened. More energy density in fossil fuels. And fossil fuels have more energy density than wind and solar.
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Reply #236 - Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:13pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:07pm:
Oh, Lee doesn't have a poor memory, Dnarever. He remembers every argument that's been put into his mouth by the News Ltd-led cabul (sic).



Sorry limited outlets for News Ltd in WA. Please try again. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:07pm:
Look at the one he's just cunningly remembered.


Which one was that? Al Gore? I gave 3 possible answers. I don't know which one you think I was correct in remembering. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #237 - Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:36pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:13pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:07pm:
Oh, Lee doesn't have a poor memory, Dnarever. He remembers every argument that's been put into his mouth by the News Ltd-led cabul (sic).



Sorry limited outlets for News Ltd in WA. Please try again. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:07pm:
Look at the one he's just cunningly remembered.


Which one was that? Al Gore? I gave 3 possible answers. I don't know which one you think I was correct in remembering. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Can you provide a quote?
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Reply #238 - Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:38pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:36pm:
Can you provide a quote?



That was your homework petal, and I ain't doing it for you. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #239 - Apr 21st, 2019 at 1:55pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:38pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:36pm:
Can you provide a quote?



That was your homework petal, and I ain't doing it for you. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Oh, but Lee, you already have, dear.
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