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Reply #165 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 1:36pm

I see Ajax is back. Do you still think the sun farts black holes at us, and that climate scientists traveled back in time to disagree with themselves in 1920?

lee wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:07am:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:18am:

According to Frank we do not contribute sufficient CO2 to the atmosphere to make a difference to the climate.

Take it up with Frank. I gave you the science.
But I notice you didn't find any fault with what I wrote.

I asked Lee for the source for his stats - which he still has not done. Instead of that, you provided a completely different set of stats.

I also asked you to explain the relevance of this:

lee wrote on Mar 27^th, 2019 at 6:04pm:

• ...civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind,” biologist George Wald, Harvard University, April 19, 1970.

So far all you have managed is to blurt out some idiotic word association with alarmism. Did you intend to actually make a point, or just highlight the inability of skeptics in general to make a coherent argument?

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Reply #166 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 1:48pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 10:54am:

Ajax wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:55am:

But have ph levels dropped because of the 750 giga tonnes of natural CO2 that goes up into the atmosphere every year OR have they dropped because of the 29 giga tonnes man is emitting ever year.

We're not importing CO2 from mars so its part of the Eartly cycle..... Wink

I've already corrected you on this nonsense that you post before but you obviously don't understand the carbon cycle.
I'll try again.

CO₂ in the atmosphere affects our climate. CO₂ buried in the ground (such as coal) does not
The natural carbon cycle means that naturally emitted CO₂ roughly balances naturally absorbed CO₂.

Human emissions of CO₂ are additional and accumulate

There is no need to import CO₂ from Mars there is plenty of the stuff buried in the ground - in the form of coal - that we are burning

You have not corrected anything because you are mistaken……!

You're argument would hold true if we imported CO2 from an alien planet imo.

If then what you say is true then the current increase in atmospheric CO2 would be synchronised to man’s emissions of atmospheric CO2 and evident in observations.

Since the year 2000 to the year 2010 we have emitted 3 times more atmospheric CO2 from the burning of fossil fuels in one way, shape, form or another i.e. manmade CO2 emissions, from the prior decade the years 1990-2000, manmade emissions have increased threefold.

In a nut shell man’s emissions of atmospheric CO2 in the former decade 2000-2010 have grown exponentially compared to the prior decade 1990-2000.

Yet observations over that time in the annual increase of atmospheric CO2 over all those years for both decades follows a temperature induced increase in the natural atmospheric CO2 cycle with man’s emission playing a minor role.

In other words the Earth has heated up since the little ice age and has vented more CO2 into the atmosphere.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2007/05/22/1929541.htm

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #167 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 1:55pm freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 1:36pm: I see Ajax is back. Do you still think the sun farts black holes at us, and that climate scientists traveled back in time to disagree with themselves in 1920? lets hope it doesn't get an upset tummy........
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Reply #169 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 2:10pm

Ajax wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 10:00am:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:53am:

Indeed. But when we dig up all that potential energy under the ground and turn it into CO2, it tends to upset that balance, Ajax.

We contribute no one can deny that but its so small it doesn't really matter.

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The earth is only so delicately tuned as there's balance. Turn the continents into cities and highways and palm oil plantations, no worries.

Then we would have been wiped of the face of the Earth when CO2 levels in our past reached 7000ppm, 3000ppm etc etc.

Compared to today 410ppm level.

Your argument is bullsh!t.....!

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Just put more rainforests in.

Yes lets do that..............

and get countries like Brazil to stop clearing land.

Actually, Ajax, we haven't been wiped off the face of the earth because the earth balances it out. Instead, we're seeing a consistently rising average temperature.

And yes, once that reaches a certain point, we most certainly will be wiped off the face of the earth, you know that.

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Reply #170 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 2:28pm

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 1:58pm:

Do you recall telling us that the sun farts black holes at us, or that climate scientists traveled back in time to disagree with themselves in 1920?

Or do you just regurgitate random idiocy from the internet without paying any attention, like so many online climate skeptics?

Like the computer predictions of the hot spot in the tropopause.....???

Radiosonde data collection boxes on weather balloons failed to find.....??

Oops and satellites failed to find that hot spot too....!!!!

And then we were told that the missing heat in the atmosphere went into the ocean........???....more idiocy......!!!

Only they forgot about the argo system which monitors ocean temperatures down to 2 kilometres.

Oh but then they said it went into the deep ocean...more idiocy....???!!!!

Still the buoys would have picked it up NO....!!!

There are so many holes dude amazing they have conned you, I thought you a person with their wits about them.. Wink

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Reply #172 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 2:31pm

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

Ajax wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 10:00am:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:53am:

Indeed. But when we dig up all that potential energy under the ground and turn it into CO2, it tends to upset that balance, Ajax.

We contribute no one can deny that but its so small it doesn't really matter.

Quote:

The earth is only so delicately tuned as there's balance. Turn the continents into cities and highways and palm oil plantations, no worries.

Then we would have been wiped of the face of the Earth when CO2 levels in our past reached 7000ppm, 3000ppm etc etc.

Compared to today 410ppm level.

Your argument is bullsh!t.....!

Quote:

Just put more rainforests in.

Yes lets do that..............

and get countries like Brazil to stop clearing land.

Actually, Ajax, we haven't been wiped off the face of the earth because the earth balances it out. Instead, we're seeing a consistently rising average temperature.

And yes, once that reaches a certain point, we most certainly will be wiped off the face of the earth, you know that.

We've been heating up since the little ice age.

Mind asking the United Nations IPCC why they took it and the medieval warm period out of their papers...!!!

And replaced it with that fraudulent hockey stick....?

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Reply #173 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 5:59pm

Ajax wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 2:28pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 1:58pm:

Do you recall telling us that the sun farts black holes at us, or that climate scientists traveled back in time to disagree with themselves in 1920?

Or do you just regurgitate random idiocy from the internet without paying any attention, like so many online climate skeptics?

Like the computer predictions of the hot spot in the tropopause.....???

Radiosonde data collection boxes on weather balloons failed to find.....??

Oops and satellites failed to find that hot spot too....!!!!

And then we were told that the missing heat in the atmosphere went into the ocean........???....more idiocy......!!!

Only they forgot about the argo system which monitors ocean temperatures down to 2 kilometres.

Oh but then they said it went into the deep ocean...more idiocy....???!!!!

Still the buoys would have picked it up NO....!!!

There are so many holes dude amazing they have conned you, I thought you a person with their wits about them.. Wink

Thanks Ajax. All good examples of spewing random idiocy. But let's start with the previous example. Do you recall telling us that the sun farts black holes at us, or that climate scientists traveled back in time to disagree with themselves in 1920? I'm trying to figure out whether you actually feel a sense of shame, or if you do not realise what is happening and just post on auto pilot.

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Reply #174 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 6:24pm

Ajax wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:41am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:19am:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:18am:

According to Frank we do not contribute sufficient CO2 to the atmosphere to make a difference to the climate. He said something about 1% of 1%. Should you two get your story straight?

Lets see - Do I believe Franks rambling opinions or many possibly hundreds of trained climate scientists who do not agree with Frank ?

You mean the 97% consensus.......LMFAO....!!!!

Do you even know how this came about......???

The 97% consensus........LOL..................... Cheesy

Even if it is only 95% or 93% I still put them in front of Frank. Besides the only one talking 97% is you.

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Reply #175 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:07pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 12:36pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 12:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:19am:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:18am:

According to Frank we do not contribute sufficient CO2 to the atmosphere to make a difference to the climate. He said something about 1% of 1%. Should you two get your story straight?

Lets see - Do I believe Franks rambling opinions or many possibly hundreds of trained climate scientists who do not agree with Frank ?

Hundreds? Name one who said he didn't agree with me.

Name one that knows you ? The one that I know said you are wrong.

Bugger off, Duck. YOU said hundreds disagree with me.

Name one.

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Reply #176 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:11pm

Ajax wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 2:31pm:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

Ajax wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 10:00am:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:53am:

Indeed. But when we dig up all that potential energy under the ground and turn it into CO2, it tends to upset that balance, Ajax.

We contribute no one can deny that but its so small it doesn't really matter.

Quote:

The earth is only so delicately tuned as there's balance. Turn the continents into cities and highways and palm oil plantations, no worries.

Then we would have been wiped of the face of the Earth when CO2 levels in our past reached 7000ppm, 3000ppm etc etc.

Compared to today 410ppm level.

Your argument is bullsh!t.....!

Quote:

Just put more rainforests in.

Yes lets do that..............

and get countries like Brazil to stop clearing land.

Actually, Ajax, we haven't been wiped off the face of the earth because the earth balances it out. Instead, we're seeing a consistently rising average temperature.

And yes, once that reaches a certain point, we most certainly will be wiped off the face of the earth, you know that.

We've been heating up since the little ice age.

Mind asking the United Nations IPCC why they took it and the medieval warm period out of their papers...!!!

And replaced it with that fraudulent hockey stick....?

https://i.ibb.co/QnpRJcT/medieveal.jpg

Good question, Ajax. Who was measuring CO2 levels during the little ice age?

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Reply #177 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:12pm

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 5:59pm:

Ajax wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 2:28pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 1:58pm:

Do you recall telling us that the sun farts black holes at us, or that climate scientists traveled back in time to disagree with themselves in 1920?

Or do you just regurgitate random idiocy from the internet without paying any attention, like so many online climate skeptics?

Like the computer predictions of the hot spot in the tropopause.....???

Radiosonde data collection boxes on weather balloons failed to find.....??

Oops and satellites failed to find that hot spot too....!!!!

And then we were told that the missing heat in the atmosphere went into the ocean........???....more idiocy......!!!

Only they forgot about the argo system which monitors ocean temperatures down to 2 kilometres.

Oh but then they said it went into the deep ocean...more idiocy....???!!!!

Still the buoys would have picked it up NO....!!!

There are so many holes dude amazing they have conned you, I thought you a person with their wits about them.. Wink

Thanks Ajax. All good examples of spewing random idiocy. But let's start with the previous example. Do you recall telling us that the sun farts black holes at us, or that climate scientists traveled back in time to disagree with themselves in 1920? I'm trying to figure out whether you actually feel a sense of shame, or if you do not realise what is happening and just post on auto pilot.

Sometimes a question is just a question.

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Reply #178 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:34pm

Frank wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 12:36pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 12:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:19am:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:18am:

According to Frank we do not contribute sufficient CO2 to the atmosphere to make a difference to the climate. He said something about 1% of 1%. Should you two get your story straight?

Lets see - Do I believe Franks rambling opinions or many possibly hundreds of trained climate scientists who do not agree with Frank ?

Hundreds? Name one who said he didn't agree with me.

Name one that knows you ? The one that I know said you are wrong.

Bugger off, Duck. YOU said hundreds disagree with me.

Name one.

Oh, there's the Milk Monitor, the Aunty, the Tjurd...

You should be grateful, dear. You'll always have jolly old Mormor.

Is she back in the old country, or did we import her too?

Two for the price of one, no?

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Reply #179 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 8:38pm

Frank wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 12:36pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 12:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:19am:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:18am:

According to Frank we do not contribute sufficient CO2 to the atmosphere to make a difference to the climate. He said something about 1% of 1%. Should you two get your story straight?

Lets see - Do I believe Franks rambling opinions or many possibly hundreds of trained climate scientists who do not agree with Frank ?

Hundreds? Name one who said he didn't agree with me.

Name one that knows you ? The one that I know said you are wrong.

Bugger off, Duck. YOU said hundreds disagree with me.

Name one.

All at the CSIRO for a start with some locals.

How about we add NASA ?

American Association for the Advancement of Science
"The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society."

American Chemical Society
"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem."

American Geophysical Union
"Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes."

American Medical Association
"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant."

American Meteorological Society
"It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2)......

U.S. National Academy of Sciences
"The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere."

International academies: Joint statement
"Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate........

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

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