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Reply #150 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:07am

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:18am:

According to Frank we do not contribute sufficient CO2 to the atmosphere to make a difference to the climate.

Take it up with Frank. I gave you the science.
But I notice you didn't find any fault with what I wrote.

Frank did it from memory which is what you asked him for. Memory is a fickle thing it is why I don't rely on it.

I am off for a couple of weeks have fune and play nicely in your sandpit. Wink

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Reply #151 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:19am

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:18am:

According to Frank we do not contribute sufficient CO2 to the atmosphere to make a difference to the climate. He said something about 1% of 1%. Should you two get your story straight?

Lets see - Do I believe Franks rambling opinions or many possibly hundreds of trained climate scientists who do not agree with Frank ?

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Reply #152 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:33am

lee wrote on Apr 12^th, 2019 at 10:50pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2019 at 9:31pm:

Do you ever get jealous of Frank's ability to write his own sentences and still be a climate skeptic?

No petal.

But I will have have to cut and paste. How else do you show statistics? Wink

And you don't like that because you prefer a world without references other than your own "beliefs".

From Science Direct -

"Scrutinizing the carbon cycle and CO2 residence time in the atmosphere"

"The anthropogenic contribution to the actual CO2 concentration is found to be 4.3%, its fraction to the CO2 increase over the Industrial Era is 15% and the average residence time 4 years."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818116304787

Now that is a science paper. if you want to crticise it go for it. But it broadly agrees with Skep sci and others that show 29Gt out of 750Gt of anthro CO2.

Now Australia's CO2 emissions are listed as about 549Mt CO2e.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2018/jan/09/australias-emission...

Global emissions are 37.1Gt CO2e.

https://www.wri.org/blog/2018/12/new-global-co2-emissions-numbers-are-they-re-no...

Now that gives 549/37100 = 1.4% for Australia's share for the year.

So we have 4.3% of emissions are anthro and Australia has 1.4% of those anthro emissions which makes Australia's share 0.06% of global anthro emissions.

Of course Australia's net emissions are less than that because Australia is a net CO2 sink. Which means Australia has no net emissions.

Don’t waste your breathe Lee these people fall into category one below and don’t know any better.

1. People who listen to and believe the experts verbatim (the sheeple), they know no other way, their understanding of the natural sciences is limited and therefore they cannot form their own opinion about the evidence/data being presented to them.

2. People who first believed these experts or maybe not depending on their scientific background, for the ones without a scientific background that may have first believed and then have taken the time to investigate both sides of the argument having some nous and being able to come to their own conclusions, the (sheep dog).

3. People who get paid to deliberately fool the unsuspecting (the wolves).

BTW thanks for those links................. Cool

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Reply #153 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:38am

FD and Karnal one last thought if the Earth was so delicately tuned that all life would be wiped out with an increase in CO2 of a few hundred parts per million.

Then guys we would have been wiped of the face of the Earth many times over way before the industrial revolution.

You should start thinking for yourselves...... Grin

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Reply #154 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:41am

Dnarever wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:19am:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:18am:

According to Frank we do not contribute sufficient CO2 to the atmosphere to make a difference to the climate. He said something about 1% of 1%. Should you two get your story straight?

Lets see - Do I believe Franks rambling opinions or many possibly hundreds of trained climate scientists who do not agree with Frank ?

You mean the 97% consensus.......LMFAO....!!!!

Do you even know how this came about......???

The 97% consensus........LOL..................... Cheesy

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Reply #155 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:46am

lee wrote on Apr 12^th, 2019 at 9:46pm:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 12^th, 2019 at 9:18pm:

But of course, dear. Higher Ph levels make the oceans more acidic. This kills fish and coral. Scientific consensus, innit.

No petal. Higher pH levels mean the ocean is more alkaline.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 12^th, 2019 at 9:18pm:

If you want to pretend, post more krap.

Coming from you that is hilarious. Grin

Good point, dear. Thank you. So you admit pH levels are dropping, along with your cyclone theory.

How about glacial melting?

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Reply #157 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:53am

uAjax wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:38am:

FD and Karnal one last thought if the Earth was so delicately tuned that all life would be wiped out with an increase in CO2 of a few hundred parts per million.

Then guys we would have been wiped of the face of the Earth many times over way before the industrial revolution.

You should start thinking for yourselves...... Grin

Indeed. But when we dig up all that potential energy under the ground and turn it into CO2, it tends to upset that balance, Ajax.

The earth is only so delicately tuned as there's balance. Turn the continents into cities and highways and palm oil plantations, no worries.

Just put more rainforests in.

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Reply #158 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:55am

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:46am:

lee wrote on Apr 12^th, 2019 at 9:46pm:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 12^th, 2019 at 9:18pm:

But of course, dear. Higher Ph levels make the oceans more acidic. This kills fish and coral. Scientific consensus, innit.

No petal. Higher pH levels mean the ocean is more alkaline.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 12^th, 2019 at 9:18pm:

If you want to pretend, post more krap.

Coming from you that is hilarious. Grin

Good point, dear. Thank you. So you admit pH levels are dropping, along with your cyclone theory.

How about glacial melting?

But have ph levels dropped because of the 750 giga tonnes of natural CO2 that goes up into the atmosphere every year OR have they dropped because of the 29 giga tonnes man is emitting ever year.

We're not importing CO2 from mars so its part of the Eartly cycle..... Wink

IS it solely CO2 that we have to blame for the ph level drop or could there be other factors that haven't been considered or described to you by the 97% consensus mob.

You really think one little trace gas can accomplish so much.

You know this is a water planet and the greatest green house gas in our atmosphere is moisture and clouds... Tongue

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Reply #159 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:56am

lee wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:07am:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:18am:

According to Frank we do not contribute sufficient CO2 to the atmosphere to make a difference to the climate.

Take it up with Frank. I gave you the science.
But I notice you didn't find any fault with what I wrote.

Frank did it from memory which is what you asked him for. Memory is a fickle thing it is why I don't rely on it.

I am off for a couple of weeks have fune and play nicely in your sandpit. Wink

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Reply #160 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 10:00am

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:53am:

Indeed. But when we dig up all that potential energy under the ground and turn it into CO2, it tends to upset that balance, Ajax.

We contribute no one can deny that but its so small it doesn't really matter.

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The earth is only so delicately tuned as there's balance. Turn the continents into cities and highways and palm oil plantations, no worries.

Then we would have been wiped of the face of the Earth when CO2 levels in our past reached 7000ppm, 3000ppm etc etc.

Compared to today 410ppm level.

Your argument is bullsh!t.....!

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Just put more rainforests in.

Yes lets do that..............

and get countries like Brazil to stop clearing land.

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Reply #161 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 10:16am

A hypothetical for you Karnal, we send billions of dollars to Wall street and the United Nations (IPCC) so we can keep atmospheric CO2 low and we spend many more billions of dollars converting to green energy (which I'm not against as long as its cheap for rich and poor alike like fossil fuels once were).

Then our sun gets the measles (black holes) spewing out hot gases at the Earth, the Earth heats up which in turn will increase the natural atmospheric CO2, as the Earth warms more and more CO2 is released from the ground and the oceans.

This event triples, quadruples our atmospheric CO2 we go over 1000ppm.

Money well spent........???

Are we all going to die..........???

That's how fickle and futile trying to control man's emissions of CO2 is.

Vegans will be happy more greens to munch on.....

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Reply #162 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 10:54am

Ajax wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:55am:

But have ph levels dropped because of the 750 giga tonnes of natural CO2 that goes up into the atmosphere every year OR have they dropped because of the 29 giga tonnes man is emitting ever year.

We're not importing CO2 from mars so its part of the Eartly cycle..... Wink

I've already corrected you on this nonsense that you post before but you obviously don't understand the carbon cycle.
I'll try again.

CO₂ in the atmosphere affects our climate. CO₂ buried in the ground (such as coal) does not
The natural carbon cycle means that naturally emitted CO₂ roughly balances naturally absorbed CO₂.

Human emissions of CO₂ are additional and accumulate

There is no need to import CO₂ from Mars there is plenty of the stuff buried in the ground - in the form of coal - that we are burning

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Reply #163 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 12:29pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:19am:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:18am:

According to Frank we do not contribute sufficient CO2 to the atmosphere to make a difference to the climate. He said something about 1% of 1%. Should you two get your story straight?

Lets see - Do I believe Franks rambling opinions or many possibly hundreds of trained climate scientists who do not agree with Frank ?

Hundreds? Name one who said he didn't agree with me.

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Reply #164 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 12:36pm

Frank wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 12:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:19am:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:18am:

According to Frank we do not contribute sufficient CO2 to the atmosphere to make a difference to the climate. He said something about 1% of 1%. Should you two get your story straight?

Lets see - Do I believe Franks rambling opinions or many possibly hundreds of trained climate scientists who do not agree with Frank ?

Hundreds? Name one who said he didn't agree with me.

Name one that knows you ? The one that I know said you are wrong.

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