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Reply #135 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 4:50pm
 
Why dont you guys start flashing your PhDs, in chemistry and biology ?
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Reply #136 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 9:51pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 4:17pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 12:06am:
Wow. So the Barrier Reef's all good then, eh?


There is wear on the reef. Google cyclone damage. There is also a paper detailing bleaching going back many years. It is not a new phenomenon.

"Reconstructing Four Centuries of Temperature-Induced Coral Bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef"

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmars.2018.00283/full

Besides that El Ninos cause coral bleaching as the water, pushed west by Trade Winds, "sloshes" back to the east when the Trade Winds die. That water lowers the low water mark in the West. Lower water depth heats up more quickly than deeper water.

Which is not to say El Ninos are the sole cause of bleaching.


Wear on the reef from what, Lee? It's been there for thousands of years.

You?
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Reply #137 - Apr 11th, 2019 at 10:19pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 9:51pm:
Wear on the reef from what, Lee? It's been there for thousands of years.



lee wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 4:17pm:
Google cyclone damage.



Cyclones Yasi, Debbie an Ingrid.

"Impacts of a severe tropical cyclone on inshore and offshore coral reefs
Cyclone Ingrid
Cyclone Ingrid, Cat 5 with 240 Km/h lores.

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Tropical storms (cyclones, hurricanes or typhoons) are the most severe form of mechanical disturbance of coral reefs. In 2005, the severe Tropical Cyclone Ingrid crossed the Far Northern Great Barrier Reef. This storm provided a unique opportunity to improve understanding of the extent and type of damage inflicted on inshore and offshore coral reefs along a gradient of wind speeds. Surveys of 82 sites on 32 reefs along the wind gradient showed that the types and intensity of disturbance were well explained by local maximum wind speed, and by spatial and biotic factors. While offshore reefs had the deepest depth of damage, inshore reefs had the greatest rates of coral breakage and dislodgement."

https://eatlas.org.au/content/impacts-severe-tropical-cyclone-inshore-and-offsho...
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Reply #138 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 6:17pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 9:16pm:
"You are being alarmist. As evidence, here is a quote that is completely irrelevant, except that it is also alarmist"

No Lee it does not make much sense does it? If there is a hidden pearl of wisdom in your post, do let us know. Otherwise people might think it really is that stupid.

No wonder the climate skeptics prefer to copy and paste. Lee cannot do much better than a word association game, and when Ajax tried, we got the sun farting black holes at us and time travelling scientists going back to 1920 to disagree with themselves. It's kind of hard to argue with someone who can barely string a sentence together.



Lemme try, without cutting and pasteing.

There is no evidence anywhere that human carbon dioxide causes climate change.  The idea is preposterous. for many reasons, the two main ones, in my view are:
We do not contribute sufficient CO2 to the atmosphere to make a difference to the climate. Human generated CO2 is a vanishingly small proportion of atmospheric gases, something approaching 0.0042 %. That's less than 1% OF 1%. Australia's share of that? Around 2% of the 1% of the 1%.

We do not fully understand how the climate works and how its various aspects work and interact. Models are models of partial and inadequate understanding of what is modelled. 

The 'extreme weather events' are not new but we know about them - and about more of them - because of vastly improved communication, not because they occur more often.   



That the Greens are all hot for 'climate change' should be a huge warning to all thinking people.
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Reply #139 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 6:38pm
 
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Lemme try, without cutting and pasting.


Congratulations on being a climate skeptic and also being able to compose a coherent sentence. It's a rare combination.

Can you provide sources for you statistics?
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Reply #140 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:48pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 10:19pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 9:51pm:
Wear on the reef from what, Lee? It's been there for thousands of years.



lee wrote on Apr 11th, 2019 at 4:17pm:
Google cyclone damage.



Cyclones Yasi, Debbie an Ingrid.

"Impacts of a severe tropical cyclone on inshore and offshore coral reefs
Cyclone Ingrid
Cyclone Ingrid, Cat 5 with 240 Km/h lores.

© all rights reserved
Tropical storms (cyclones, hurricanes or typhoons) are the most severe form of mechanical disturbance of coral reefs. In 2005, the severe Tropical Cyclone Ingrid crossed the Far Northern Great Barrier Reef. This storm provided a unique opportunity to improve understanding of the extent and type of damage inflicted on inshore and offshore coral reefs along a gradient of wind speeds. Surveys of 82 sites on 32 reefs along the wind gradient showed that the types and intensity of disturbance were well explained by local maximum wind speed, and by spatial and biotic factors. While offshore reefs had the deepest depth of damage, inshore reefs had the greatest rates of coral breakage and dislodgement."

https://eatlas.org.au/content/impacts-severe-tropical-cyclone-inshore-and-offsho...


Is that all?
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Reply #141 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:19pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:48pm:
Is that all?


What more do you want? It seems to me that wind, wave and storm action is "wear". Or you could call it damage . But the damage is due to wear. Whatever floats your boat.
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Reply #142 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:43pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 6:17pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 9:16pm:
"You are being alarmist. As evidence, here is a quote that is completely irrelevant, except that it is also alarmist"

No Lee it does not make much sense does it? If there is a hidden pearl of wisdom in your post, do let us know. Otherwise people might think it really is that stupid.

No wonder the climate skeptics prefer to copy and paste. Lee cannot do much better than a word association game, and when Ajax tried, we got the sun farting black holes at us and time travelling scientists going back to 1920 to disagree with themselves. It's kind of hard to argue with someone who can barely string a sentence together.



Lemme try, without cutting and pasting.

There is no evidence anywhere that human carbon dioxide causes climate change.  The idea is preposterous. for many reasons, the two main ones, in my view are:
We do not contribute sufficient CO2 to the atmosphere to make a difference to the climate. Human generated CO2 is a vanishingly small proportion of atmospheric gases, something approaching 0.0042 %. That's less than 1% OF 1%. Australia's share of that? Around 2% of the 1% of the 1%.

We do not fully understand how the climate works and how its various aspects work and interact. Models are models of partial and inadequate understanding of what is modelled. 

The 'extreme weather events' are not new but we know about them - and about more of them - because of vastly improved communication, not because they occur more often.   



That the Greens are all hot for 'climate change' should be a huge warning to all thinking people.


How about that, FD? No evidence whatsoever. Always absolutely never ever.

Please forgive the old boy here. He does blame Islam, after all.

Feel free to remind us that the biggest threat to our world is the Muselman.

Now we can all get some sleep, no?

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Reply #143 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 6:38pm:
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Lemme try, without cutting and pasting.


Congratulations on being a climate skeptic and also being able to compose a coherent sentence. It's a rare combination.

Can you provide sources for you statistics?


Now now, FD, lee wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:19pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 7:48pm:
Is that all?


What more do you want? It seems to me that wind, wave and storm action is "wear". Or you could call it damage . But the damage is due to wear. Whatever floats your boat.


Not pesticides or rising acid levels from CO2, eh?

Gee, Lee, you must have discovered the only article that blames cyclones.

Is that what you mean by the scientific method?

The old boy and FD blame Islam. You?
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Reply #144 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 9:12pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:47pm:
Not pesticides or rising acid levels from CO2, eh?



Rising acid levels from CO2? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

The ocean is not acid anywhere, even those oceans beside CO2 vents, which you would think would be more susceptible, don't show any acidic levels. Those CO2 vents emit higher CO2 levels than are in the atmosphere. And they have been doing that for who knows how long?

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:47pm:
Gee, Lee, you must have discovered the only article that blames cyclones.


Actually there are more than 3, one for each cyclone. And do you think cyclones are only a recent event? They just didn't seem to look at cyclones prior for reef damage. So the reefs have been round for thousands of years and have never impacted reefs before? You really should try a search on how long levels have been around.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 8:47pm:
Is that what you mean by the scientific method?


No petal. The MSM is not the scientific method. But that's your preferred method of "learning".

Most pesticides are actually plant derivative.

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Reply #145 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 9:18pm
 
But of course, dear. Higher Ph levels make the oceans more acidic. This kills fish and coral. Scientific consensus, innit.

If you want to pretend, post more krap.

Cyclones. It is a jolly world, no?
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Reply #146 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 9:31pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 6:04pm:
• ...civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind,” biologist George Wald, Harvard University, April 19, 1970.


Other than mistaking a word association game with an actual argument, is there any way in which this post is not stupid and irrelevant? Do you ever get jealous of Frank's ability to write his own sentences and still be a climate skeptic?
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Reply #147 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 9:46pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 9:18pm:
But of course, dear. Higher Ph levels make the oceans more acidic. This kills fish and coral. Scientific consensus, innit.



No petal. Higher pH levels mean the ocean is more alkaline.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 9:18pm:
If you want to pretend, post more krap.


Coming from you that is hilarious.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #148 - Apr 12th, 2019 at 10:50pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2019 at 9:31pm:
Do you ever get jealous of Frank's ability to write his own sentences and still be a climate skeptic?


No petal.

But I will have have to cut and paste. How else do you show statistics?  Wink

And you don't like that because you prefer a world without references other than your own "beliefs".

From Science Direct -

"Scrutinizing the carbon cycle and CO2 residence time in the atmosphere"


"The anthropogenic contribution to the actual CO2 concentration is found to be 4.3%, its fraction to the CO2 increase over the Industrial Era is 15% and the average residence time 4 years."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818116304787

Now that is a science paper. if you want to crticise it go for it. But it broadly agrees with Skep sci and others that show 29Gt out of 750Gt of anthro CO2.

Now Australia's CO2 emissions are listed as about 549Mt CO2e.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2018/jan/09/australias-emission...

Global emissions are 37.1Gt CO2e.

https://www.wri.org/blog/2018/12/new-global-co2-emissions-numbers-are-they-re-no...

Now that gives 549/37100 = 1.4% for Australia's share for the year.

So we have 4.3% of emissions are anthro and Australia has 1.4% of those anthro emissions which makes Australia's share 0.06% of global anthro emissions.

Of course Australia's net emissions are less than that because Australia is a net CO2 sink. Which means Australia has no net emissions.
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Reply #149 - Apr 13th, 2019 at 7:18am
 
lee wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 6:04pm:
• ...civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind,” biologist George Wald, Harvard University, April 19, 1970.


Do those stats explain why you posted this on the first page of this thread Lee?

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So we have 4.3% of emissions are anthro


According to Frank we do not contribute sufficient CO2 to the atmosphere to make a difference to the climate. He said something about 1% of 1%. Should you two get your story straight?
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