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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #120 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 7:52pm

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 7:17pm:

Lee does climate skepticism ever get any less stupid? "You are being alarmist. As evidence, here is a quote that is completely irrelevant, except that it is also alarmist"

That was supposed to make sense? Grin

BTW- did you know that the 2000 economists thing is over 20 years old and has never been updated?

Not only that they actually don't state anything concrete.

http://dieoff.org/page105.htm

It was based on the Second Assessment Report (SAR). The Third Assessment Report in chapter 14 stated -

"“In sum, a strategy must recognize what is possible. In climate research and modelling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/03/WGI_TAR_full_report.pdf

So what the economists supported was something that can't be modelled long term. Therefore they couldn't possibly have determined any long term benefits/costs of their policies. Wink

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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #121 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 9:16pm

"You are being alarmist. As evidence, here is a quote that is completely irrelevant, except that it is also alarmist"

No Lee it does not make much sense does it? If there is a hidden pearl of wisdom in your post, do let us know. Otherwise people might think it really is that stupid.

No wonder the climate skeptics prefer to copy and paste. Lee cannot do much better than a word association game, and when Ajax tried, we got the sun farting black holes at us and time travelling scientists going back to 1920 to disagree with themselves. It's kind of hard to argue with someone who can barely string a sentence together.

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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #122 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 9:42pm

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 9:16pm:

No wonder the climate skeptics prefer to copy and paste.

And you haven't even reached those dizzy heights. just your feelings. Wink

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 9:16pm:

t's kind of hard to argue with someone who can barely string a sentence together.

And yet you don't make any sense in yours.

Remember the graph you showed months ago that purportedly showed how good solar power availability was? It had to be pointed out that your graph showed power usage at 2.30am; well before the sun was up. It only showed that power usage was declining.

BTW - You didn't respond about your 2000 economists. I thought what I wrote was succinct and readable. Even by you.

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Reply #123 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 9:53pm

lee wrote on Mar 27^th, 2019 at 6:04pm:

• ...civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind,” biologist George Wald, Harvard University, April 19, 1970.

Other than mistaking a word association game with an actual argument, is there any way in which this post is not stupid and irrelevant?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21369 Gender:	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #124 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 9:57pm freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 9:53pm: Other than mistaking a word association game with an actual argument, is there any way in which this post is not stupid and irrelevant? Oh dear. freediver has lost the plot. Can't even answer simple questions about his noticeboard.
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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #125 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 10:04pm

lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 12:09pm:

So as you can see, Lee, the science of climate change is not motivated by government funds at all.

ooh, one outlier proves it all false. Grin

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 12:09pm:

Now it's a registered charity staffed by volunteers.

Yes. Is Tim Flannery on that staff as a volunteer? It was your claim he was a volunteer.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 12:09pm:

If the science of climate change was simply about making money, the number one Australian agency would hardly be a not-for-profit organisation, now would it?

Where did I say it was SIMPLY about making money? Is the Climate Council the Number ONE Agency? Above CSIRO and BoM?

Remember this?

"The unprecedented bleaching events on the Great Barrier Reef in 2016 and 2017 resulted in mass coral mortality, with the 2016 bleaching event at least 175 times more likely to occur due to intensifying climate change."

https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/resources/reef-in-peril/

It seems it is recovering nicely. How does something that died "recover"?

https://www.iflscience.com/environment/the-great-barrier-reef-is-showing-signifi...

You do understand the difference between the coral and the colourful symbionts which get ejected when reefs get under stress? It happens when there is a rapid change in water temperature, both up and down. Reefs have been around for millions of years and survived warmer and cooler climates. That would make them pretty hardy. Some coral reefs even get exposed at low water and survive. Fancy that.

I understand, Lee. CO2 even effects the coral.

So if climate science is not about making a buck, what exactly is it?

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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #126 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 10:05pm

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 6:51pm:

lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 6:37pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 6:28pm:

So you copied and pasted something idiotic and irrelevant from "ihatethemedia.com", declined several times to provide the source, but do not think it hypocritical to criticise me for giving a link to wikipedia?

I will break it down into easy pieces for you to comprehend.

"So you copied and pasted something idiotic and irrelevant from "ihatethemedia.com","

No it is relevant as alarmism has always been with us and the call for a carbon tax is alarmist.

"declined several times to provide the source,"

poor petal. unable to google to see that it appears on a number of threads.

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 6:28pm:

but do not think it hypocritical to criticise me for giving a link to wikipedia?

Exactly right. School and Uni's don't recommend it as it is unreliable. Look at the poor 97% meme on climate scientists.

And you only provided the one source for all your posts. Talk about hypocritical.

Have a nice day.

It's irrelevant Lee. It is nor more relevant than asking you to explain some other random idiocy I found on the internet because everything else you post is stupid.

Oooh!

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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #127 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 10:07pm

lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 9:57pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 9:53pm:

Other than mistaking a word association game with an actual argument, is there any way in which this post is not stupid and irrelevant?

Oh dear. freediver has lost the plot. Can't even answer simple questions about his noticeboard. Grin

Ask him about porkies. He tends to freeze up when you do that.

What sound does dying coral on the Great Barrier Reef make?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21369 Gender:	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #128 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 10:10pm Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 10:04pm: I understand, Lee. CO2 even effects the coral. That must be why there are even corals growing around underwater CO2 vents.
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Paki gob on a stick Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103654	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #129 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 10:12pm lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 10:10pm: Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 10:04pm: I understand, Lee. CO2 even effects the coral. That must be why there are even corals growing around underwater CO2 vents. Indeed. It is a jolly world, no?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21369 Gender:	Re: carbon taxes are the best Reply #130 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 10:52pm "This is shown by the following figure, in which very healthy corals are growing above a carbon dioxide vent: " https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2010/06/scientists-got-it-wrong/
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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #131 - Apr 11^th, 2019 at 12:06am

lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 10:52pm:

"This is shown by the following figure, in which very healthy corals are growing above a carbon dioxide vent: "

https://quadrant.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Armstrong-4.jpg

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2010/06/scientists-got-it-wrong/

Wow. So the Barrier Reef's all good then, eh?

What a relief.

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Reply #132 - Apr 11^th, 2019 at 7:19am

lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 9:57pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 9:53pm:

Other than mistaking a word association game with an actual argument, is there any way in which this post is not stupid and irrelevant?

Oh dear. freediver has lost the plot. Can't even answer simple questions about his noticeboard. Grin

No Lee. I do not recall that. I do recall you copying and pasting some incredibly stupid things, whose source you tried to conceal, then getting all confused and trying to change the subject. Do you recall that?

For example, from the first page of this thread:

lee wrote on Mar 27^th, 2019 at 6:04pm:

• ...civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind,” biologist George Wald, Harvard University, April 19, 1970.

Other than mistaking a word association game with an actual argument, is there any way in which this post is not stupid and irrelevant?

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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #133 - Apr 11^th, 2019 at 4:17pm

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 11^th, 2019 at 12:06am:

Wow. So the Barrier Reef's all good then, eh?

There is wear on the reef. Google cyclone damage. There is also a paper detailing bleaching going back many years. It is not a new phenomenon.

"Reconstructing Four Centuries of Temperature-Induced Coral Bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef"

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmars.2018.00283/full

Besides that El Ninos cause coral bleaching as the water, pushed west by Trade Winds, "sloshes" back to the east when the Trade Winds die. That water lowers the low water mark in the West. Lower water depth heats up more quickly than deeper water.

Which is not to say El Ninos are the sole cause of bleaching.

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Reply #134 - Apr 11^th, 2019 at 4:19pm

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2019 at 7:19am:

I do not recall that.

Short term memory loss? Grin

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2019 at 7:19am:

I do recall you copying and pasting some incredibly stupid things, whose source you tried to conceal, then getting all confused and trying to change the subject. Do you recall that?

No petal. please tell us more.

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2019 at 7:19am:

Other than mistaking a word association game with an actual argument, is there any way in which this post is not stupid and irrelevant?

ooh Iteration. That really helps you out of the hole. NOT. Grin

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