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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #105 - Apr 9th, 2019 at 8:34pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 6:04pm:
• ...civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind,” biologist George Wald, Harvard University, April 19, 1970.


Lee you posted this on the first page of this thread. Can you explain why you think it is relevant and not stupid? And why did you not give the source?
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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #106 - Apr 9th, 2019 at 10:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Can you explain why you think it is relevant and not stupid?



Because alarmists have always been with us.


Edit : OOPs. asked and answered already.

freediver wrote on Apr 5th, 2019 at 5:48pm:
Lee can you explain why you think that is relevant?


freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
And why did you not give the source?



How many do you want? Couldn't you Google it?

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Reply #107 - Apr 9th, 2019 at 11:58pm
 
Of course they volunteer. I know people who volunteer there, including Tim Flannery.

You?
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Reply #108 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 5:19am
 
Quote:
Because alarmists have always been with us.


Why do you think this is this relevant to carbon taxes? And not stupid?

Quote:
How many do you want? Couldn't you Google it?


I want the source you got it from. Did you copy half the sentence from one source and half from another? Can I google why you do not provide sources or why you are being evasive about them? Do you think it is a bit hypocritical of you to criticse me for referring to wikipedia after all the stupid and irrelevant things you have copied and pasted here without sources?
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Reply #109 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 8:21am
 
Remember, Lee. Sometimes a question is just a question.
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Reply #110 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 11:57am
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 11:58pm:
Of course they volunteer. I know people who volunteer there, including Tim Flannery.


Wow. Lucky you. Why don't they advertise that they volunteer? Because as I said it isn't on their website. merely that they have volunteers.

"Contractors and Volunteers
We would also like to thank the
following staff, contractors and
volunteers who worked for the
Climate Council during the year:
› Dr David Alexander
› Zoe Edwards
› Sue-Ellen Simic
› Samantha Wright
› Kirsten Tidswell
› Lily Spencer
› Bronwyn Hogan
› Dylan Pursche
› Anastasia Yule
› Kim Robinson
› Jennifer Neil-Smith
› Huw Jones
› Madhavi Anne Patterson
› Kathryn Lewis
› Deborah Johnson
› Caitlin Williamson
› Martyna Kotowska
› Stephanie Rigney
› Ash Kelly
› Sophie Gosch
› Ashley Agar
› Felipe Avancine
› Victoria Bridges
› Tamara Zivotic
› Kristy Cohen
› Dilara Yilmaz
› Veronika Kadomskaia"

https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Annual-Report-2018....

Definitely not listed as a volunteer.

However -

"Professor Flannery says he and his fellow former commissioners will volunteer their time to get the council started."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-24/tim-flannery-to-relaunch-climate-commissi...

it is now well past 2013 and the Climate Council is well and truly started.
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Reply #111 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 12:05pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 5:19am:
Why do you think this is this relevant to carbon taxes? And not stupid?


Because the carbon tax is all about politics and fear.

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 5:19am:
I want the source you got it from.



Do you? Poor petal.

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 5:19am:
Did you copy half the sentence from one source and half from another?


No.



freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 5:19am:
Can I google why you do not provide sources or why you are being evasive about them?


Can you Google at all? All you have to do is google the whole quote.

https://www.ihatethemedia.com/earth-day-predictions-of-1970-the-reason-you-shoul...

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 5:19am:
Do you think it is a bit hypocritical of you to criticse me for referring to wikipedia after all the stupid and irrelevant things you have copied and pasted here without sources?


No. What about those things I posted with references?

If you want an answer to a specific thing I posted let e know what it is.

I will tell you whether it is my own thoughts or from elsewhwere.  Wink
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Reply #112 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 12:09pm
 
Indeed. So as you can see, Lee, the science of climate change is not motivated by government funds at all. The Climate Council used to be an actual government department. Now it's a registered charity staffed by volunteers.

If the science of climate change was simply about making money, the number one Australian agency would hardly be a not-for-profit organisation, now would it?
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Reply #113 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 12:59pm
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 12:09pm:
So as you can see, Lee, the science of climate change is not motivated by government funds at all.



ooh, one outlier proves it all false. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 12:09pm:
Now it's a registered charity staffed by volunteers.


Yes. Is Tim Flannery on that staff as a volunteer?  It was your claim he was a volunteer.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 12:09pm:
If the science of climate change was simply about making money, the number one Australian agency would hardly be a not-for-profit organisation, now would it?



Where did I say it was SIMPLY about making money? Is the Climate Council the Number ONE Agency? Above CSIRO and BoM?

Remember this?

"The unprecedented bleaching events on the Great Barrier Reef in 2016 and 2017 resulted in mass coral mortality, with the 2016 bleaching event at least 175 times more likely to occur due to intensifying climate change."

https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/resources/reef-in-peril/

It seems it is recovering nicely. How does something that died "recover"?

https://www.iflscience.com/environment/the-great-barrier-reef-is-showing-signifi...

You do understand the difference between the coral and the colourful symbionts which get ejected when reefs get under stress? It happens when there is a rapid change in water temperature, both up and down. Reefs have been around for millions of years and survived warmer and cooler climates. That would make them pretty hardy. Some coral reefs even get exposed at low water and survive. Fancy that.
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Reply #114 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 6:28pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 12:05pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 5:19am:
Why do you think this is this relevant to carbon taxes? And not stupid?


Because the carbon tax is all about politics and fear.

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 5:19am:
I want the source you got it from.



Do you? Poor petal.

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 5:19am:
Did you copy half the sentence from one source and half from another?


No.



freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 5:19am:
Can I google why you do not provide sources or why you are being evasive about them?


Can you Google at all? All you have to do is google the whole quote.

[url]https://www.ihatethemedia.com/earth-day-predictions-of-1970-the-reason-you-should-not-believe-earth-day-predictions-of-2009[/url]

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 5:19am:
Do you think it is a bit hypocritical of you to criticse me for referring to wikipedia after all the stupid and irrelevant things you have copied and pasted here without sources?


No. What about those things I posted with references?

If you want an answer to a specific thing I posted let e know what it is.

I will tell you whether it is my own thoughts or from elsewhwere.  Wink


So you copied and pasted something idiotic and irrelevant from "ihatethemedia.com", declined several times to provide the source, but do not think it hypocritical to criticise me for giving a link to wikipedia?
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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #115 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 6:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 6:28pm:
So you copied and pasted something idiotic and irrelevant from "ihatethemedia.com", declined several times to provide the source, but do not think it hypocritical to criticise me for giving a link to wikipedia?



I will break it down into easy pieces for you to comprehend.

"So you copied and pasted something idiotic and irrelevant from "ihatethemedia.com","

No it is relevant as alarmism has always been with us and the call for a carbon tax is alarmist.

"declined several times to provide the source,"

poor petal. unable to google to see that it appears on a number of threads.

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 6:28pm:
but do not think it hypocritical to criticise me for giving a link to wikipedia?


Exactly right. School and Uni's don't recommend it as it is unreliable. Look at the poor 97% meme on climate scientists.

And you only provided the one source for all your posts. Talk about hypocritical.

Have a nice day.
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Reply #116 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 6:44pm
 
WHEN Ernest Shackleton and his men marched towards the South Pole in December 1908, they came across something entirely unexpected. After scaling the vast Beardmore glacier on the edge of the polar plateau, they found seams of coal amid the snow and ice. They also found impressions of leaves in sandstone boulders nearby and even fossilised wood from a coniferous tree.

The conclusion was extraordinary but inescapable: Antarctica was once warm and forested, conditions that could hardly be more different to the far-below-freezing midsummer weather that forced Shackleton’s team to turn back before reaching the pole. How was this possible?

Four years later, Alfred Wegener put forward his theory of continental drift which, it was later realised, could explain the balmy climate: Antarctica had been warmer because it was once much closer to the equator. Even today, some schoolchildren are taught that continental drift accounts for all the evidence for a warmer Antarctica.

However, the fossil trees Shackleton’s team discovered grew around 250 million years ago, when Antarctica was barely closer to the equator than it is today. What’s more, the continent reached its current position roughly 100 million years ago, and an ever-growing list of fossil finds date from 100 to 40 million years ago. During this time, when dinosaurs roamed the almost subtropical forests of an ice-free Antarctic, conditions on the other side of the planet were even more remarkable: the Arctic Ocean was a gigantic freshwater lake infested with crocodile-like reptiles.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826611-200-when-crocodiles-roamed-the-a...

AGW is one of the biggest hoaxes in history, up there with the Brave New Worlds of Communism, Fascism, redemption, the quest for the perpetuum mobile and the rest of the hubristic nonsense humanity is always eager for.

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Reply #117 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 6:51pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 6:37pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 6:28pm:
So you copied and pasted something idiotic and irrelevant from "ihatethemedia.com", declined several times to provide the source, but do not think it hypocritical to criticise me for giving a link to wikipedia?



I will break it down into easy pieces for you to comprehend.

"So you copied and pasted something idiotic and irrelevant from "ihatethemedia.com","

No it is relevant as alarmism has always been with us and the call for a carbon tax is alarmist.

"declined several times to provide the source,"

poor petal. unable to google to see that it appears on a number of threads.

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 6:28pm:
but do not think it hypocritical to criticise me for giving a link to wikipedia?


Exactly right. School and Uni's don't recommend it as it is unreliable. Look at the poor 97% meme on climate scientists.

And you only provided the one source for all your posts. Talk about hypocritical.

Have a nice day.


It's irrelevant Lee. It is nor more relevant than asking you to explain some other random idiocy I found on the internet because everything else you post is stupid.
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Reply #118 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 6:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2019 at 6:51pm:
It is nor more relevant than asking you to explain some other random idiocy I found on the internet because everything else you post is stupid.


A lame attempt at a comeback. poor petal lost the argument again. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #119 - Apr 10th, 2019 at 7:17pm
 
Lee does climate skepticism ever get any less stupid? "You are being alarmist. As evidence, here is a quote that is completely irrelevant, except that it is also alarmist"
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