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George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual (Read 29160 times)
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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #420 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:41pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:26pm:
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In my opinion, Pell is a ratbag.


That makes him guilty of these offences?


The conviction by a jury in the matter of 5 counts of sexual abuse.  Wink

In addition, the way he covered up the numerous child abuse cases in the Ballarat region, and merely moved a priest around, rather than report him to Police.

He is, in my opinion, an accessory after the fact and hence: a ratbag.





weve been through this over and over.. so once again

OUR SCHOOLS DID THE SAME THING....

almost all our Religious groups..have crimes to answer for Catholics are not the only ones...+
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Reply #421 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:46pm
 
This is not just about Pell.
The Catholic Church has to be closed down.

All the beautiful old churches would have to be demolished or turned into restaurants or something.
The money raised could go to the 1000s of victims of child sex abuse.
The schools could be taken over by the state and turned into public schools.
The orphanages could be controlled directly by the state and any people
running them who are suspected of child abuse kicked out.

It's time for a change -
the royal commission has spoken.
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Reply #424 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:49pm
 
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Reply #425 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:50pm
 
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Reply #426 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:53pm
 
Brendon wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:03am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:57am:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?
Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.


Sure, but witness testimony is all they have in the trial of the decade. This is the most senior Catholic ever to be convicted - of anything (apart from treason).

If we have these questions, what about the jury?


What do you mean "witness testimony is all they have"?

A witness who testifies he saw Pell committing a crime and was also a victim himself, is direct evidence. Direct evidence “directly” shows the defendant's guilt.

It's up to the jury to weigh the credibility of the witness. If they find his first hand evidence credible, it would be hard not to say Pell was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Obviously they found him a credible witness. Now, thinking about that, if you were on the jury and you found him to be a credible witness, and therefore you would believe his first hand account - would you find Pell guilty?


I'd be tempted to, Brandon, sure. But I'd also be looking at the evidence and listening to what Pell's barrister presumably said about beyond any reasonable doubt.

I have doubts that the victim could not easily have made up a story to attack Pell and the Catholic Church. I also have doubt, as Pell said, that there wouldn't have been plenty of people milling around after a service of that size. Why would Pell put himself at such risk?

I have doubt, legitimate I think, that Pell would do something like this in a church after a mass. One thing Pell does have is a deep-seated belief in the rituals and sanctimony of the Catholic Church. Pell is most definitely a holier-than-thou kind of guy.

The look on Pell's face when he was told of these charges was genuine, I think. You could see the blood rise straight to his head and face. It is indeed a farcical charge - a priest of Pell's stature pulling out his dick and orally raping two boys as punishment for breaking into the priest's chamber. Pell's right - it's a ludicrous claim, even if true.

These are all doubts, Brandon. They've also caused me to doubt the 7.30 Report allegations made about Pell in his younger days in Melbourne. As the court ruled, none of that was provable, could easily have been misconstrued or didn't meet the threshold for a criminal act.

When I saw the witnesses describing their claims, I was convinced. I believed Pell was guilty for sure. The court found otherwise.

What I'm saying is I have reasonable doubts that have not been put to rest. I think for a trial of this magnitude, we should be presented with the evidence the jury went on. Members of the Catholic Church have come out to confirm these doubts, and I can understand them perfectly. Without the evidence, Pell is being turned into a martyr.

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Reply #427 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:53pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:50pm:
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Number of the Beast, innit.
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Reply #428 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:57pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:53pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:50pm:
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Number of the Beast, innit.




This thread is about the works of Satan on our planet.

It's also another sign of the End Times.
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Reply #429 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:05pm
 

Appeal is set for 5th and 6th of June.

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Reply #430 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:11pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:05pm:
Appeal is set for 5th and 6th of June.



Three grounds for appeal:

- the verdicts were unreasonable and the jury could not have been satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on the word of one complainant alone against the unchallenged exculpatory evidence of more than 20 prosecution witnesses.

- Judge Peter Kidd erred in not allowing the defence to use a video graphic in closing arguments to demonstrate the offending was impossible.

- there was a fundamental irregularity in the trial because Pell was not arraigned in front of the jury.
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Reply #431 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:05pm:
Appeal is set for 5th and 6th of June.



Three grounds for appeal:

- the verdicts were unreasonable and the jury could not have been satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on the word of one complainant alone against the unchallenged exculpatory evidence of more than 20 prosecution witnesses.

- Judge Peter Kidd erred in not allowing the defence to use a video graphic in closing arguments to demonstrate the offending was impossible.

- there was a fundamental irregularity in the trial because Pell was not arraigned in front of the jury.



So says our resident Bush Lawyer?
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Reply #432 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:15pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:40pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse.  Angry




Then thats what he should be charged with not this kangaroo court stuff. I thought you used to be a cop?

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"kangaroo court" ?

The most senior judge, the best lawyers ... hardly a "kangaroo court".  Roll Eyes


Its a kangaroo court if someone is convicted with no evidence on the hearsay of one individual

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Reply #433 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:17pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:05pm:
Appeal is set for 5th and 6th of June.



Three grounds for appeal:

- the verdicts were unreasonable and the jury could not have been satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on the word of one complainant alone against the unchallenged exculpatory evidence of more than 20 prosecution witnesses.

- Judge Peter Kidd erred in not allowing the defence to use a video graphic in closing arguments to demonstrate the offending was impossible.

- there was a fundamental irregularity in the trial because Pell was not arraigned in front of the jury.



So says our resident Bush Lawyer?


No.

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Reply #434 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:18pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:15pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:40pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse.  Angry




Then thats what he should be charged with not this kangaroo court stuff. I thought you used to be a cop?

Spot


"kangaroo court" ?

The most senior judge, the best lawyers ... hardly a "kangaroo court".  Roll Eyes


Its a kangaroo court if someone is convicted with no evidence on the hearsay of one individual

Spot


A victim's evidence is NOT hearsay.


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