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Reply #495 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 8:22am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 1st, 2019 at 9:19pm:
I never said they were of one mind. That is your mindless collective strawman again.


This is a description of muslims who don't believe the massacre happened being "of one mind" FD:

They would be saying that the Muhammad that the vast majority believe in is an evil man and they believe in a different version of him, but that puts them in a difficult position, so instead they say both versions of Muhammad are good men and they support the supposed actions of both

There doesn't seem to be much diversity of opinion offered there - just all "they would be saying..." and "so instead they say...". Not even the pretense of qualification by use of a "some" or even "most".

Whats worse is you don't even consider that this is only one plausible way of rationalising, and that . There is no reason why I can't simply say, alternatively, that like just about every other religious minority, they have no problem whatsoever in insisting that their version is the right one, and no problem whatsoever in saying the others are wrong, and therefore invalid - even if they are in the majority.

freediver wrote on Aug 1st, 2019 at 9:19pm:
You also lie when you suggest I am basing this on one single Muslim supporting genocide.


Each time you say this, and each time I ask you to offer an example of a muslim saying the things you alleged other than me - you come up short FD. You have never once quoted a single other muslim as evidence in this entire thread. That is a fact. Rather your main argument strategy has been to think that the onus on me is to prove a negative - by constantly demanding me to come up with a muslim who doesn't support genocide, and posing your stupid rhetorical question "I've never met a muslim who doesn't support it - have you?"
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Reply #496 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 8:39am
 



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QUESTION      [to anyone];
Does the teacher in the mosque teach and promote ISLAMIC law ?

And does he teach and promote the precepts of ISLAM, which are found within the Koran ?



To say,       "all muslims support genocide"      is simply recognising that;



Every moslem is a moslem.     .....i.e.  A FOLLOWER OF ISLAM.




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Reply #497 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 8:56am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 8:22am:

freediver wrote on Aug 1st, 2019 at 9:19pm:

You also lie when you suggest I am basing this on one single Muslim supporting genocide.




Each time you say this, and each time I ask you to offer an example of a muslim saying the things you alleged other than me - you come up short FD.


You have never once quoted a single other muslim as evidence in this entire thread.

That is a fact.


Rather your main argument strategy has been to think that the onus on me is to prove a negative - by constantly demanding me to come up with a muslim who doesn't support genocide, and posing your stupid rhetorical question "I've never met a muslim who doesn't support it - have you?"




gandalf,

I have seen numerous examples of moslems saying that ISLAM is a peaceful faith.



Is it PROOF ?        .....that ISLAM is a peaceful faith ?

If multiple moslems MAKE THAT CLAIM ?



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EXAMPLE;



IMAGE.....
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Australian Grand Mufti Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammed



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1444453452/0#0
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Grand Mufti of Australia assures Aussies, ISLAM is peace


The Grand Mufti of Australia assures Aussies;

"We moslems refuse and reject any form of terrorist activities"




IMAGE.....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6841338-3x2-340x227.jpg

Australian Grand Mufti Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammed






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EXAMPLE;

Quote:

Peace and love are at the center of our religion, as evidenced by scripture and history,...”


- Sheikh Abdullah Bin Bayyah
CITED... https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/02/uae-forum-promotes-dubious-islamic-peace



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EXAMPLE;

"ISLAM ES PAZ"


IMAGE.....
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EXAMPLE;

Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line     with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...




IMAGE....
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"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."


- ABC news report - 2015-01-19



QUOTE;
"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."

- Mr Yunus



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EXAMPLE;

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Ali Kadri - Islamic Council of Queensland vice-president,
features in The Mosque Next Door on SBS.




Quote:

"There's no underlying religious text or reasons why [moslems] go out and kill people......"


- Ali Kadri
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https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/we-wont-stop-terrorist-attacks-by-blaming-i...








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Reply #498 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 9:06am
 



"All Muslims support genocide" - - TICK from Yadda



All moslems are pathological liars [when it comes to moslems, speaking to non-moslems, about ISLAM]. - - TICK from Yadda




AND, I'VE GOT PLENTY OF PROOF.             Cool




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Yassmin Abdel-Magied


"ISLAM is the most feminist religion"
- Yassmin Abdel-Magied




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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #499 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 7:07pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 8:22am:
freediver wrote on Aug 1st, 2019 at 9:19pm:
I never said they were of one mind. That is your mindless collective strawman again.


This is a description of muslims who don't believe the massacre happened being "of one mind" FD:

They would be saying that the Muhammad that the vast majority believe in is an evil man and they believe in a different version of him, but that puts them in a difficult position, so instead they say both versions of Muhammad are good men and they support the supposed actions of both

There doesn't seem to be much diversity of opinion offered there - just all "they would be saying..." and "so instead they say...". Not even the pretense of qualification by use of a "some" or even "most".

Whats worse is you don't even consider that this is only one plausible way of rationalising, and that . There is no reason why I can't simply say, alternatively, that like just about every other religious minority, they have no problem whatsoever in insisting that their version is the right one, and no problem whatsoever in saying the others are wrong, and therefore invalid - even if they are in the majority.

freediver wrote on Aug 1st, 2019 at 9:19pm:
You also lie when you suggest I am basing this on one single Muslim supporting genocide.


Each time you say this, and each time I ask you to offer an example of a muslim saying the things you alleged other than me - you come up short FD. You have never once quoted a single other muslim as evidence in this entire thread. That is a fact. Rather your main argument strategy has been to think that the onus on me is to prove a negative - by constantly demanding me to come up with a muslim who doesn't support genocide, and posing your stupid rhetorical question "I've never met a muslim who doesn't support it - have you?"


So if I say that all Muslims think Muhammad is a good man, I am accusing them of being a mindless collective?
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Reply #500 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 9:37pm
 
No but you are undeniably depicting them as "of one mind" on that point.

Why do you think muslims who don't believe Muhammad committed a massacre feel compelled to accept that the atrocity-committing version of other muslims - must also be a good man?
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Reply #501 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 10:27pm
 
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Why do you think muslims who don't believe Muhammad committed a massacre feel compelled to accept that the atrocity-committing version of other muslims - must also be a good man?


You just quoted me explaining why. I have given you the same explanation a dozen times.
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Reply #502 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 12:53pm
 
Allahu Akbar” is not “innocent” or “innocuous.” It’s at the core of what makes Islam violent.

To understand the violent history of “Allahu Akbar”, let’s climb into a time machine and go back to the year 628 and to a place that will one day be known as Saudi Arabia. It’s hot out here in the desert. Temperatures from the spring to the fall routinely cross the hundred degree mark and keep going.

We’re in Khaybar. It’s a desert oasis maintained by the Jews. If being in 109 degree heat has got you down, you stop by the oasis, and have a cool drink of water and some dates. Then you keep going. Out here trade runs through the desert and the oasis is a gas station. If you want to choke off major trade routes, you go after an oasis. And that’s what a cult leader whose followers today terrorize the world by attacking its travel routes, airline hijackings, pirates preying on ships, train and bus bombs, was doing.

Muslims call what happened next, the “Battle of Khaybar”. Like most Muslim battles, it was a treacherous ambush and a massacre. And it helps explain why there are no Jews in Saudi Arabia today. Nor do Muslims regret this act of ethnic cleansing. Instead they celebrate it. Muslims still threaten Jews by chanting, “Khaybar, Khaybar ya Yahud.” "Remember Khaybar, Jews, Mohammed’s Army Will Return."

And “Allahu Akbar?”

That’s what Mohammed shouted as he realized that his surprise attack had been successful. "Allahu-Akbar! Khaybar is destroyed.” He boasted that any nation attacked by Muslims would suffer a similar fate. And then he “had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives”. Mohammed also picked up his own sex slave. “Safiya was amongst the captives. She first came in the share of Dahya Alkali but later on she belonged to the Prophet.” Safiya’s husband had been murdered. Like their ISIS successors, the Prophet of Islam’s band of killers and rapists took the women as slaves.

That’s where “Allahu Akbar” originated. And that’s why Muslims still shout it at terrorist attacks.

Allahu Akbar does not mean “God is Great.” It means “Allah is Greater”. What was Allah greater than at Khaybar? Allah was greater than the religion of the Jews because Mohammed was able to defeat them.
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Reply #503 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 9:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 10:27pm:
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Why do you think muslims who don't believe Muhammad committed a massacre feel compelled to accept that the atrocity-committing version of other muslims - must also be a good man?


You just quoted me explaining why. I have given you the same explanation a dozen times.


you mean this?

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They would be saying that the Muhammad that the vast majority believe in is an evil man and they believe in a different version of him, but that puts them in a difficult position, so instead they say both versions of Muhammad are good men and they support the supposed actions of both


so lets break it down further then. Why would muslims who believe the vast majority of muslims believe in an evil man be put "in a difficult position" - that somehow necessitates them to say that both version of Muhammad are good men? You certainly haven't explained that part, and it makes no sense at all. Most minorities within a religious group are perfectly comfortable insisting that the other guys have it wrong.

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Reply #504 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 10:22pm
 
Ah. Good question. For that you'd have to quote the rest of the explanation, which you inexplicably left out. Keep trying Gandalf. You'll get there eventually.
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Reply #505 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 10:38pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2019 at 10:22pm:
Ah. Good question. For that you'd have to quote the rest of the explanation, which you inexplicably left out. Keep trying Gandalf. You'll get there eventually.


Good point FD, that would be this...

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That's why you offered up your "academic" support for Muhammad's genocide at the same time as denying it. They all deny it was genocide in some way, and they all continue to support it.


sorry FD, still no clearer. This, by the way, along with the previous part I quoted consists of the entire post I am quoting.

Next time, best to actually get a grasp of what you think I'm quoting before pulling out the old 'out of context' card.

Instead of playing and failing at the smart arsery game all the time, how about you give answering the actual question a go?
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Reply #506 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 10:55pm
 
After answering the same stupid question a dozen times it starts to wear thin Gandalf. I guess you'll have to quote one of my many other answers.
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Reply #507 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 11:04pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 3rd, 2019 at 9:19pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 10:27pm:
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Why do you think muslims who don't believe Muhammad committed a massacre feel compelled to accept that the atrocity-committing version of other muslims - must also be a good man?


You just quoted me explaining why. I have given you the same explanation a dozen times.


you mean this?

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They would be saying that the Muhammad that the vast majority believe in is an evil man and they believe in a different version of him, but that puts them in a difficult position, so instead they say both versions of Muhammad are good men and they support the supposed actions of both


so lets break it down further then. Why would muslims who believe the vast majority of muslims believe in an evil man be put "in a difficult position" - that somehow necessitates them to say that both version of Muhammad are good men? You certainly haven't explained that part, and it makes no sense at all. Most minorities within a religious group are perfectly comfortable insisting that the other guys have it wrong.


There  is nothing in Islam but resentment. It is a reactionary cult. It has no new positive to offer.  It is entirely about subjugation.
Looking at its devotees, it's  evil preached into the world.

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Reply #508 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 11:30pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2019 at 10:55pm:
After answering the same stupid question a dozen times it starts to wear thin Gandalf. I guess you'll have to quote one of my many other answers.


And where would those be FD? - in that same mysterious black hole as the posts you made using evidence other than my alleged beliefs I suppose.

Thats fine FD, but why did you lie about the rest of that quote explaining everything? Or is it that you really have no idea?

If you are really that clueless and/or dishonest about your own words, how can you expect to engage in anything resembling a coherent debate?
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Reply #509 - Aug 4th, 2019 at 8:37am
 
You are turning into a compulsive liar Gandalf. Here is the whole post, with the rest of the explanation - the same explanation I have offered plenty of times earlier.

freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2019 at 8:19am:
Because it makes a question of historical fact, in which they are the minority among Muslims, the only barrier to them concluding that Muhammad was evil. They would be saying that the Muhammad that the vast majority believe in is an evil man and they believe in a different version of him, but that puts them in a difficult position, so instead they say both versions of Muhammad are good men and they support the supposed actions of both, but theirs is merely the better Muhammad. That's why you offered up your "academic" support for Muhammad's genocide at the same time as denying it. They all deny it was genocide in some way, and they all continue to support it. 


Also, what happened you your "most notorious and large scale cases" of genocide in history?

freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2019 at 1:54pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15th, 2019 at 5:48pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 13th, 2019 at 8:16am:
I am not that familiar with the details.


Interesting. For someone so obsessed about genocide you are surprisingly unfamiliar with the most notorious and large scale cases of it in history.


Are you talking about Tasmanian Aborigines?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_War

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The Black War was the period of violent conflict between British colonists and Aboriginal Australians in Tasmania from the mid-1820s to 1832. The conflict, fought largely as a guerrilla war by both sides, claimed the lives of more than 200 European colonists and between 600 and 900 Aboriginal people, nearly annihilating the island's indigenous population.[2][3] The near-destruction of the Aboriginal Tasmanians, and the frequent incidence of mass killings, has sparked debate among historians over whether the Black War should be defined as an act of genocide.[4]


600 to 900 eh? Perhaps an angel told them to do it.

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