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Oct 26^th, 2018 at 1:33pm

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Tesla Model 3 Owners Are Complaining Their Cars Mysteriously Conked Out

With the Model 3 now coming off the Fremont assembly line in larger numbers (though not as large as predicted), it seems we have a recurring quality issue, if you want to call it that. Many Model 3 owners — who, for obvious reasons, are not longtime Model 3 owners — are taking to the internet to report a strange problem that leaves their car dead in the water and in need of a tow.

Just take a look at this thread on the Tesla Motors Club forum. Started on Tuesday by a Model 3 owner in Napa, California, the string of responses is eye-opening.

“Was backing out of our driveway and when I shifted from R to D warnings came up telling me to pull over, and not to drive,” the original poster writes. “I was on a steep hill pointed down, and the car just barely moved. It would not shift into N to allow me to freewheel it down to where I could be off to the side. The warnings then said that if I exited the vehicle, and locked it, then unlocked it and reentered it, that might clear it up. No such luck. It felt to me like it was locked into ReGen.”

Roadside assistance could not get the vehicle into the EV equivalent of running condition, so it was towed to a Tesla service center 50 miles distant.

An L.A. Model 3 owner immediately responds with a similar story. This poster took delivery of their vehicle on March 23rd:
I go to drive it this morning and I see a flashing message on my screen that alternates between ‘Rear motor disabled’, ‘Car may not start’, and ‘Car needs service’. The car wouldn’t start at all. It tells me that the problem may be fixed if I exit the vehicle and enter again, so I do that, but it does not fix the issue. I call Tesla and the lady on the phone has me reboot the car, but that also does not fix the issue.

While the owner claims the mystery glitch hasn’t caused him or her to fall out of love with the car, the comment prompted another response — this time from an Altadena, California owner:
It happened to me first night with the car as i was pulling into the garage and repositioning. Switched from reverse to drive and as soon as I pressed the accelerator the car put the motor in protection mode and behaved as the [original poster].
Doing the suggested steps as the OP and nothing. Two button, and two-button-brake reboots did not help, either Since the car was halfway in the garage and it was midnight, I figured I should put it in tow mode and push it in and deal with it in the morning. After I put it in tow mode, and on a “IT Crowd” “have you turned it off and on again?” whim, I decided to take it out of tow mode by stepping on the brake. The fault cleared and I was able to drive it around with no issues.

This poster was not able to replicate the warning messages after the car received an over-the-air firmware update (4.9), leading to the conclusion that a “bug” in the as-delivered firmware was/is the culprit.

On Wednesday morning, a Model 3 owner from northern Virginia posted the following:
This just happened to me this morning. Did all the same steps as OP and then Tesla sent out a flatbed. Currently at Service Center. I’ll update on what they tell me as well. I did read on another thread that it could be the 12v battery. I guess we’ll see. Also, I’m on firmware 2018.10.5

Later that morning, from an Orlando Model 3 owner:
Wow and I thought it was just me. This exact thing happened to me last week. Was driving on a local road going 25 mph and all of a sudden the car just stopped with the same messages, rear drive disabled and pull over. I tried the reboot, get out of the car and back in, etc. and nothing worked. Tesla came and towed it, gave me a loaner, and about a week later it was fixed. They replaced some fuse and the entire drive unit. Sure hope this isn’t a sign of more than just a couple bad drive units…

All of these owners took delivery of their vehicles within the last seven weeks or so. As some await a service center diagnosis, the forum posters then entered into a discussion of whether software or hardware was to blame, without a clear answer.

One owner called attention to a post from February 17th, where another owner reported the same vehicle behavior and related messages, followed by other strange quirks (like the car not “going to sleep” after being parked). As we’ve come to expect from online discussion boards, one Tesla fan chastised the owner, claiming legitimate discussion about vehicle problems might feed the “trolls.” (This didn’t go over well with many of the others.)

While the owner in this case initially suspected the car’s 12-volt battery, the actual cause was more extensive. “The drive unit DID in fact fail which they say caused the DC converter to malfunction,” the poster wrote following an update from Tesla Service. “The new drive unit arrived today and they will be replacing that and then testing the DC converter to see if it charges the 12V battery.”

The L.A. poster quoted earlier eventually learned the afflicted vehicle would need a new drive unit and fuse.
Late Wednesday, this post appeared on Reddit’s Tesla Motors page, describing an identical experience with a Model 3 just two weeks after delivery.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/04/awful-lot-tesla-model-3-owners-complai...

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Reply #5 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 5:45pm

Tesla is a pile of junk.

Even burns when it is dead in the junkyard.

The junkyard is the right place for Tesla gimmicky "cars".

Now wait for the trolls with the shrunken heads to appear from under the floor boards.

Tesla Found Burning in CA Junk Pile
LAUREN HERNANDEZ SEPTEMBER 8, 2018 SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE 0 Tweet Share

Alameda County fire officials say the Tesla was in the middle of a burning junk pile in San Leandro.
Alameda County Fire2 Residents in the area were ordered to shelter in place during the fire Friday. ALAMEDA COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT

Firefighters are investigating whether a Tesla vehicle found in the middle of a pile of burning debris caused a San Leandro metal yard to engulf in flames Friday afternoon.

Alameda County Fire Department officials ordered a temporary shelter-in-place in San Leandro after responding to a fire at around 4 p.m. at Alco Iron & Metal headquarters near Davis Street and Doolittle in San Leandro. They said the fire was under control just before 6 p.m. Friday.

Firefighters noticed the Tesla vehicle engulfed in flames in the middle debris pile, but said they are unsure if the vehicle caused the fire. The cause of the blaze was unknown.

No injuries were reported Friday evening.

Officials in a nearby Alameda County Fire Department first saw the black plume of smoke rising from the metal yard and responded to the scene, according to a fire department statement.

Alameda County Sheriff’s officials deployed its drone to provide firefighters an aerial view of the fire.

Photos posted to the fire department’s Twitter account showed black plumes of smoke rising from piles of metal debris.

Officials asked residents to shelter in place for more than an hour Friday in the areas of Adams Avenue on the north, Interstate 880 on the east, Williams Street on the south, and to the bay.

Twitter tweet of pile of junk Tesla's last dying gasps from the junkyard

Thanks to our partnership w/ the @acsosheriffs UAV (Drone) Team, here’s an aerial view of the 1-alarm fire at ALCO Metals in the area of Doolittle Dr. & Davis St. in #SanLeandro on Friday, 9/7. No reports of injuries. The cause of the fire is unknown.

Residents were advised to say indoors and close doors and windows until further notice.

The cause of the fire is under investigation.

https://www.firehouse.com/prevention-investigation/news/21021494/ca-investigator...

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Reply #6 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 7:00pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 26^th, 2018 at 2:01pm:

How many fossil fool cars pack up ? You see them conked out on the roads all of the time waiting for the RACV dude to come and fix them ? Get over it. This is nothing new for any car maker !

Tesla ranks 27th out of 29 for reliability, those who think Elon is some type of Messiah for the climate change religion should read the reports on Tesla reliability.

Tesla is really just expensive unreliable junk.

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Tesla slips several spots in Consumer Reports reliability ranking

Consumer Reports released its reliability rankings, which are based on more than a half million of its members reviewing their own vehicles.

Consumer Reports said the dependability of Tesla models has slipped in the last year as the automaker upgraded the hardware and software on its Model S vehicles.

Tesla said the suspension issues for the Model S have been cut by 65 percent since last year.

Consumer Reports, which ranks the reliability of vehicles based on owner reviews, says the dependability of Tesla models has slipped in the last year as the automaker upgraded the hardware and software on its Model S vehicles. The analysis of 29 auto brands ranks Tesla as No. 27, one of the lowest-rated brands in this year's report.

Fisher added that many Tesla owners reported a number of issues, especially with the vehicle's air suspension system.

Tesla said the suspension issues for the Model S have been cut by 65 percent since last year.
"The suspension issues that some Model S customers experienced primarily in 2017 were due to a supplier-related issue that did not pose any threat to vehicle safety or drivability, and presented itself only when the car was parked," the company said in a statement sent to CNBC. "The issue has already been addressed for customer vehicles in the field and resolved at the source with fundamental design improvements."
While the reliability of the Model S has slipped in the eyes of Consumer Reports, it says the Model 3 has "average" reliability.

By comparison, owners of foreign-brand vehicles reported fewer problems. Lexus, Toyota and Mazda were ranked as the most reliable.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/24/tesla-reliability-slips-to-third-worst-in-us-con...

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Reply #7 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 9:08pm

All the many design faults of the unsafe TESLAs will be front page when the new competitors Mercedes, Volkswagen, Jaguar, BMW etc move in with well designed thoroughly tested SAFE cars.

TESLA is DOOMED!!!!

Will one of the multi billion competitors simply buy TESLA out to get their technology which doesn't work very well ?

Or will they use the TESLA factory to learn what NOT TO DO ?

Massive quality problems with the Tesla Model 3 pile of junk:- http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-tesla-model3-quality-20180218-sto...

And what about the Tesla 3 BRICK problem:- https://jalopnik.com/5887265/tesla-motors-devastating-design-problem

And the many flaws in the Tesla 3 including brakes that don't work:- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2018/05/21/teslas-model-3-has...

And an unsafe Tesla 3 comes to a sudden stop

Would you risk your life in an unsafe Tesla gimmick "car" ?

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Reply #8 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 10:37pm

juliar wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 9:08pm:

All the many design faults of the unsafe TESLAs will be front page when the new competitors Mercedes, Volkswagen, Jaguar, BMW etc move in with well designed thoroughly tested SAFE cars.

TESLA is DOOMED!!!!

Will one of the multi billion competitors simply buy TESLA out to get their technology which doesn't work very well ?

Or will they use the TESLA factory to learn what NOT TO DO ?

Massive quality problems with the Tesla Model 3 pile of junk:- http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-tesla-model3-quality-20180218-sto...

And what about the Tesla 3 BRICK problem:- https://jalopnik.com/5887265/tesla-motors-devastating-design-problem

And the many flaws in the Tesla 3 including brakes that don't work:- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2018/05/21/teslas-model-3-has...

https://icdn2.digitaltrends.com/image/tesla-model-3-totaled-5-640x427-c.jpg
And an unsafe Tesla 3 comes to a sudden stop

Would you risk your life in an unsafe Tesla gimmick "car" ?

Apparently lots of people do socko with record numbers sold Wink

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Reply #9 - Oct 29^th, 2018 at 4:22am

Like the Tesla pile of junk the village idiot troll VIRUS with the obvious low intelligence and poor education crawls out from under the floor boards and conks out. Which is the bigger pile of junk - the Tesla or the troll VIRUS ?

Now an unfortunate Tesla 3 owner says it is a pile of junk.

Edmunds Says Long-Term Tesla Model 3 Has Tons Of Issues
BY STEVEN LOVEDAY MAY 23 2018

Tesla 3 just as good at front end smashes as the other unsafe Teslas.

Edmunds released its April update related to its long-term Tesla Model 3 and it’s far from positive.

As many of you are probably aware, Edmunds has a Tesla Model 3 for the long haul. Essentially, the publication lives with the car over an extended period of time and provides valuable information for prospective buyers. Based on the slew of issues Edmunds is reporting, it appears that either they got stuck with a lemon, Model 3s lack consistency from vehicle to vehicle, or this is just a really problematic car.

We’re talking about intermittment screen and backup camera function, navigation bugs, failure to recognize keycard, audio system independently turning on and off and up to full volume, vanity mirrors falling off, and inability to shift the car into drive or reverse.

The crazy part is that this is just a small list of problems Edmunds has encountered. They’ve been driving the car less than four months and all of this happened in the last four weeks, resulting in two service visits, another visit scheduled, and a grand total of zero days out of service.

Edmunds even went so far as to say that they’ve started a shared Google Doc to keep track of the myriad of problems, warning messages, resets, and overall failures. The article says:

Forget that this is a “cutting-edge” EV with a cult following. That’s irrelevant if Tesla wants to be anything more than a footnote in automotive history. Our Model 3 cost us $56,000, and by that standard alone, the ownership experience so far has been unacceptable. But this is no ordinary $56K car. We put down a $1,000 deposit to get on a two-year waiting list for this car and it’s falling apart.

Early adopters who could spend six figures on a car such as the Model S might’ve given Tesla a bit of extra leeway. Maybe they figure it’s a small price to pay for such a technologically advanced car. Maybe it’s a sacrifice they’re willing to make to avoid using fossil fuels and get free access to the carpool lane. This far into its run, though, and with a car intended for mass appeal, Tesla should have the bugs worked out. It clearly doesn’t.

To put all of this in perspective, it’s important to note that Edmunds has driven the car a grand total of 5,257 miles. During the month of April, it put 1,120 miles on the Model 3.

Watch This – Teardown Expert Drives Tesla Model 3, No Longer Compares It To 90s Kia
Fortunately for Tesla, and for reservation holders, there is a hint of positivity in the review. This is especially true when it comes to performance and cargo space. Edmunds’ senior manager content strategy Josh Sadlier shared:

After my drive, a friend of mine asked me how the Model 3 compares to the current BMW 3 Series, and I told him I’d rather have the Tesla. He laughed. I wasn’t kidding.

Staff writer Travis Langness added:

I was recently transporting a large record collection, along with a few boxes of CDs, and the Model 3 was the car I had for the job. I was impressed by the Model 3’s storage ability relative to its size, with the space to fit four massive storage containers and several cases of CDs with space to spare.

Follow the link below for the full monthly report, including detailed descriptions of the plethora of issues, along with more quotes from different editors and test drivers pertaining to various aspects of the Model 3.

https://insideevs.com/edmunds-says-long-term-tesla-model-3-has-tons-of-issues/

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #11 - Oct 29^th, 2018 at 3:38pm The village idiot troll VIRUS has a neurotic fixation on me, her HERO, because I aggravate her neurotic inferiority complex by repeatedly showing her to be nothing more than a dumb dill. The penalty of mental inadequacy and poor education and low IQ. Should not have mucked up so much while at school.
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Reply #12 - Oct 29^th, 2018 at 8:47pm

juliar wrote on Oct 29^th, 2018 at 3:38pm:

The village idiot troll VIRUS has a neurotic fixation on me, her HERO, because I aggravate her neurotic inferiority complex by repeatedly showing her to be nothing more than a dumb dill.

The penalty of mental inadequacy and poor education and low IQ. Should not have mucked up so much while at school.

Then why don't you do us all a favour and f.ckoff and die so we won't have anyone to troll Cheesy

LOL

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Reply #13 - Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:58pm

The village idiot troll VIRUS is annoyed at being repeatedly shown to be nothing more than a dumb dill. This exacerbates her neurotic inferiority complex. And she certainly is an inferior individual.

It is fun psycho analyzing the neurotic confusion of such specimens.

The penalty of mental inadequacy and poor education and low IQ. Should not have mucked up so much while at school.

Perhaps the specimen being analyzed should follow her own advice and stay away ?

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Reply #15 - Oct 31^st, 2018 at 3:08pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 8:07am:

If a Holden had a problem would they be bothered to come and grab it and take it to a dealer and fix it for the customer........
If only other car manufacturers looked after thair clients like Tesla does Wink

Only when it was the EV-1 in which case GMC confiscated them and took them all to the crushing yard never to be seen again even though the lease holders offered to buy the cars outright Sad

http://www.ev1.org/

But if you buy a fossil fool lemon from any of these mobs you can rest assured they will not want to know you or the car if it develops major faults Sad

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Reply #16 - Nov 1^st, 2018 at 3:30pm

juliar wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 9:08pm:

All the many design faults of the unsafe TESLAs will be front page when the new competitors Mercedes, Volkswagen, Jaguar, BMW etc move in with well designed thoroughly tested SAFE cars.

TESLA is DOOMED!!!!

Will one of the multi billion competitors simply buy TESLA out to get their technology which doesn't work very well ?

Or will they use the TESLA factory to learn what NOT TO DO ?

Massive quality problems with the Tesla Model 3 pile of junk:- http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-tesla-model3-quality-20180218-sto...

And what about the Tesla 3 BRICK problem:- https://jalopnik.com/5887265/tesla-motors-devastating-design-problem

And the many flaws in the Tesla 3 including brakes that don't work:- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2018/05/21/teslas-model-3-has...

https://icdn2.digitaltrends.com/image/tesla-model-3-totaled-5-640x427-c.jpg
And an unsafe Tesla 3 comes to a sudden stop

Would you risk your life in an unsafe Tesla gimmick "car" ?

The Brick problem link is interesting, these electric cars have to be plugged in all the time or risk an expensive battery failure.

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George Clooney, Elon Musk Trade Tesla Barbs

George Clooney didn't have the best experience with his Tesla, he told Esquire, giving the electric-car company another bit of bad press in a year of highly publicized trouble.

“I had a Tesla. I was one of the first cats with a Tesla. I think I was, like, number five on the list," Clooney told Esquire when the writer asked why he was driving a Lexus instead of Hollywood's hot ride. "But I’m telling you, I’ve been on the side of the road a while in that thing. And I said to them, ‘Look, guys, why am I always stuck on the side of the f---ing road? Make it work, one way or another.’ "

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-clooney-elon-musk-trade-655641

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Reply #18 - Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 9:19am

juliar wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 7:55am:

Gee Baron you have rubbed the trolls dials in the dirt.

Really socko ?

The same old story about George Loony wheeled out once again. Cheesy

LOL But we won't mention all of the tens of thousands of complaints made against the unreliability of fossil fool cars will we. They have created a huge industry out of the unreliability of fossil fool cars !

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #20 - Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 3:56pm Should I be thrilled that I am the HERO of the neurotic drongos who follow me around hoping I will throw some moldy scraps their way ?
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Reply #22 - Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 10:05pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 1:52pm:

The brick problem Cheesy

just like when a mobile phone goes complexly flat and u need to buy a new battery.... ohhh wait u don’t have to buy a new battery when something goes flat.... Cheesy

The Brick problem with Tesla shows you need to buy a new battery it isn't covered by warranty.

$40,000 for a new battery if you're old one is bricked, go read the link and see what tesla are doing about it.

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Reply #23 - Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 10:12pm

Tesla have a 12v lead acid battery, when this battery dies you're stuffed.

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While I was in that painful stage of waiting for delivery of my Model S and reading everything I could on the forums one of the issues I ran across was a rash of 12V battery failures on the Model S that Elon even commented on in an earnings call.
The reports said that Tesla had chosen a poor vendor initially and the early Model S’s were plagued with this problem but that the problem had been resolved and was no longer an issue.

Wrong – my Model S indicated a problem after only 7 months of use (18,000 miles) and several others have reported the same.

The 12V battery maintains power for critical systems when the main battery is damaged or disabled. It powers hazard lights, airbags, door lock/unlock operation, etc. The 12V battery is also keeping electronics alive to listen to the key FOB lock/unlock and the 3G connection for remote access when the rest of the car is off. Another interesting tidbit is that if the 12v dies it will isolate the main battery pack preventing charging which is part of the Model S safety features and helps protect first responders.

Some owners are on their 3rd 12V battery already. Many others are reporting failures at the 1 year mark or even short of that like me. In ICE cars you can normally expect about 4 years of life out of your 12V battery. While it could just be “different” with the Model S where it may require a new battery every year, we’re seeing failures short of the 12 month mark which causes inconveniences to owners.

Tesla should be more upfront about these issues and let owners know what they’re doing to address the underlying problem.

I’ve started a poll over on TMC to see what kind of failure rate we’re seeing for the people that answer if you’re interested in monitoring this issue more. So far over 75% of respondents have had their 12V battery replaced. Keep in mind those most owners have had their Model S’s for less than 2 years…

http://teslaliving.net/2014/12/12/12v-battery-issues-in-the-model-s/

The Tesla is an expensive lemon.

More of the same problem here- https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=KfbaW9G3LZDcrQGu7YCADw&q=tesla+mod...

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Reply #24 - Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 11:13pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 10:12pm:

Tesla have a 12v lead acid battery, when this battery dies you're stuffed.

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While I was in that painful stage of waiting for delivery of my Model S and reading everything I could on the forums one of the issues I ran across was a rash of 12V battery failures on the Model S that Elon even commented on in an earnings call.
The reports said that Tesla had chosen a poor vendor initially and the early Model S’s were plagued with this problem but that the problem had been resolved and was no longer an issue.

Wrong – my Model S indicated a problem after only 7 months of use (18,000 miles) and several others have reported the same.

The 12V battery maintains power for critical systems when the main battery is damaged or disabled. It powers hazard lights, airbags, door lock/unlock operation, etc. The 12V battery is also keeping electronics alive to listen to the key FOB lock/unlock and the 3G connection for remote access when the rest of the car is off. Another interesting tidbit is that if the 12v dies it will isolate the main battery pack preventing charging which is part of the Model S safety features and helps protect first responders.

Some owners are on their 3rd 12V battery already. Many others are reporting failures at the 1 year mark or even short of that like me. In ICE cars you can normally expect about 4 years of life out of your 12V battery. While it could just be “different” with the Model S where it may require a new battery every year, we’re seeing failures short of the 12 month mark which causes inconveniences to owners.

Tesla should be more upfront about these issues and let owners know what they’re doing to address the underlying problem.

I’ve started a poll over on TMC to see what kind of failure rate we’re seeing for the people that answer if you’re interested in monitoring this issue more. So far over 75% of respondents have had their 12V battery replaced. Keep in mind those most owners have had their Model S’s for less than 2 years…

http://teslaliving.net/2014/12/12/12v-battery-issues-in-the-model-s/

The Tesla is an expensive lemon.

More of the same problem here- https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=KfbaW9G3LZDcrQGu7YCADw&q=tesla+mod...

Ok love stories that r 4 years old...
So Tesla first changed the manufacturer of thair battery... then they made it that the 12 volt gets changed every year last few years they added battery. Testers so now they can accurately give owners a 2 week notice if the battery will die........ ohh and it’s not a $40,000 battery it’s a 12 volt $100 battery we r talking about here...... so if your going to give really old articles please do more research and see if Tesla have fixed the problem....

If u look at owner forum they are on same battery that’s 4 years old and counting..... again if the worse u find about Tesla is a $100 flat battery from 4 years ago that been fixed please look harder.... Wink

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Reply #25 - Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 11:36pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 11:13pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 10:12pm:

Tesla have a 12v lead acid battery, when this battery dies you're stuffed.

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While I was in that painful stage of waiting for delivery of my Model S and reading everything I could on the forums one of the issues I ran across was a rash of 12V battery failures on the Model S that Elon even commented on in an earnings call.
The reports said that Tesla had chosen a poor vendor initially and the early Model S’s were plagued with this problem but that the problem had been resolved and was no longer an issue.

Wrong – my Model S indicated a problem after only 7 months of use (18,000 miles) and several others have reported the same.

The 12V battery maintains power for critical systems when the main battery is damaged or disabled. It powers hazard lights, airbags, door lock/unlock operation, etc. The 12V battery is also keeping electronics alive to listen to the key FOB lock/unlock and the 3G connection for remote access when the rest of the car is off. Another interesting tidbit is that if the 12v dies it will isolate the main battery pack preventing charging which is part of the Model S safety features and helps protect first responders.

Some owners are on their 3rd 12V battery already. Many others are reporting failures at the 1 year mark or even short of that like me. In ICE cars you can normally expect about 4 years of life out of your 12V battery. While it could just be “different” with the Model S where it may require a new battery every year, we’re seeing failures short of the 12 month mark which causes inconveniences to owners.

Tesla should be more upfront about these issues and let owners know what they’re doing to address the underlying problem.

I’ve started a poll over on TMC to see what kind of failure rate we’re seeing for the people that answer if you’re interested in monitoring this issue more. So far over 75% of respondents have had their 12V battery replaced. Keep in mind those most owners have had their Model S’s for less than 2 years…

http://teslaliving.net/2014/12/12/12v-battery-issues-in-the-model-s/

The Tesla is an expensive lemon.

More of the same problem here- https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=KfbaW9G3LZDcrQGu7YCADw&q=tesla+mod...

Ok love stories that r 4 years old...
So Tesla first changed the manufacturer of thair battery... then they made it that the 12 volt gets changed every year last few years they added battery. Testers so now they can accurately give owners a 2 week notice if the battery will die........ ohh and it’s not a $40,000 battery it’s a 12 volt $100 battery we r talking about here...... so if your going to give really old articles please do more research and see if Tesla have fixed the problem....

If u look at owner forum they are on same battery that’s 4 years old and counting..... again if the worse u find about Tesla is a $100 flat battery from 4 years ago that been fixed please look harder.... Wink

The first post in the google link is tesla forum 2018 and tesla still haven't fixed this 12v battery problem.

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Reply #26 - Nov 4^th, 2018 at 7:17am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 11:36pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 11:13pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 10:12pm:

Tesla have a 12v lead acid battery, when this battery dies you're stuffed.

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While I was in that painful stage of waiting for delivery of my Model S and reading everything I could on the forums one of the issues I ran across was a rash of 12V battery failures on the Model S that Elon even commented on in an earnings call.
The reports said that Tesla had chosen a poor vendor initially and the early Model S’s were plagued with this problem but that the problem had been resolved and was no longer an issue.

Wrong – my Model S indicated a problem after only 7 months of use (18,000 miles) and several others have reported the same.

The 12V battery maintains power for critical systems when the main battery is damaged or disabled. It powers hazard lights, airbags, door lock/unlock operation, etc. The 12V battery is also keeping electronics alive to listen to the key FOB lock/unlock and the 3G connection for remote access when the rest of the car is off. Another interesting tidbit is that if the 12v dies it will isolate the main battery pack preventing charging which is part of the Model S safety features and helps protect first responders.

Some owners are on their 3rd 12V battery already. Many others are reporting failures at the 1 year mark or even short of that like me. In ICE cars you can normally expect about 4 years of life out of your 12V battery. While it could just be “different” with the Model S where it may require a new battery every year, we’re seeing failures short of the 12 month mark which causes inconveniences to owners.

Tesla should be more upfront about these issues and let owners know what they’re doing to address the underlying problem.

I’ve started a poll over on TMC to see what kind of failure rate we’re seeing for the people that answer if you’re interested in monitoring this issue more. So far over 75% of respondents have had their 12V battery replaced. Keep in mind those most owners have had their Model S’s for less than 2 years…

http://teslaliving.net/2014/12/12/12v-battery-issues-in-the-model-s/

The Tesla is an expensive lemon.

More of the same problem here- https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=KfbaW9G3LZDcrQGu7YCADw&q=tesla+mod...

Ok love stories that r 4 years old...
So Tesla first changed the manufacturer of thair battery... then they made it that the 12 volt gets changed every year last few years they added battery. Testers so now they can accurately give owners a 2 week notice if the battery will die........ ohh and it’s not a $40,000 battery it’s a 12 volt $100 battery we r talking about here...... so if your going to give really old articles please do more research and see if Tesla have fixed the problem....

If u look at owner forum they are on same battery that’s 4 years old and counting..... again if the worse u find about Tesla is a $100 flat battery from 4 years ago that been fixed please look harder.... Wink

The first post in the google link is tesla forum 2018 and tesla still haven't fixed this 12v battery problem.

Ohh u mean the 1 car in April that stopped, he rang Tesla they organized a taxi to get him where he wanted, then they picked up his car and found the 12 volt battery charger failed and they replaced it.... that one......... yes no one should buy a tesla with service like that... I mean if all car manufactures gave ppl a taxi so they wouldn’t be late for work then picked up thair car and fixed it then delivered it home, the world would be in kaos Wink

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Reply #32 - Nov 6^th, 2018 at 5:41am

Just like the troll whose missing brain goes into frenzy mode when it overheats the Telsa goes belly up when it overheats. Tesla is a problem prone pile of junk - sounds just like the troll.

Tesla roadster doesn't stop very well either - common Tesla problem

Vip, Feb 22, 2018

So my wife drives the roadster as her daily driver.

Last week my wife was driving to work after dropping off my son at school. The roadster threw up a warning "Powertrain problem, Service required" She texted me about while I was at work. A couple of miles later it put up a another warning "System too hot, Vehicle shutting down".

At that point the vehicle came to stop and she could not restart the car. After trying to figure out what to do we finally called our insurance roadside service to tow the car to the service center.

They worked on it for a day and came up with the diagnosis of "fan cooling duct to power electronics module loose and not allowing full fan air volume to cool module"

I figured since the car was in the shop I told them to go ahead and do the annual service (18 months since last service) to make sure nothing else is wrong. I also asked them to change the transmission fluid along with the coolant.

Got the car back 3 days ago. I drove it from the service center to my house with no issues. My wife drove it the next two days without any issues.

Then today she is driving and the powertrain warning comes up again. Luckily she was close to her destination and was able to make it there. After about an hour she got back into the car and was able to drive home (8 miles) without any issues and no warning. Told her to drive slowly and take back roads. She plugged in the car when she got home.

I get home late tonight from work to see the roadster charge port flashing red. Screen had a couple of faults "system too hot, vehicle shutting down" and something else along the lines of system too hot charging time increased. The car had charged about 40 miles in 7 hours on a NEMA 14-50.

I hear the coolant motor going so I decided to take a look. I see the coolant running in the container. When I try to get a better look to see how much is in there and it is nearly at the bottom (below the minimum line).

So I am not familiar with coolant system but I am guessing that the amount of fluid in the container should be higher despite the pump running, am I correct in assuming this? I had the coolant drained and refilled for my annual service.

What I am confused about is that the car was running fine for 3 days before this occurred again. Can the car run fine for a few days despite the coolant being low?
Any major damage that could be permanent with all this overheating?
Anyone else had this problem?
Just for future reference can I fill the coolant container myself?

I am obviously calling Tesla in the morning to see what can be done.

So my original post was last night when I got home. This morning I went to see what was going on. I did not charge the car overnight given what was going on.
The fault stating Powertrain Problem, service required still was there.
I decided to test drive the car around the block.
I started to drive and had the screen set to the temp indicators. Before driving the PEM was already at the highest green light before turning yellow. I was just about to pull into my driveway when it indicated that the vehicle was too hot and shutting down and I saw the PEM temp go yellow.
There I am sprawled across the road and can't move!!! Luckily I was able to put it in neutral and push it onto my driveway.
So I am seeing 2 codes: 947 and 1144.
Tesla is currently trying to figure out how to get the car to there service center.

Tesla told me I have the 2 fan setup. And apparently this is what is wrong. Not sure what happened when it went in the first time and was not discovered.
Tesla stated there is a recommended fix for this, to change it over to a single fan with different components. Unfortunately the cost is $1600!!! Not too happy about that given I just dropped about $800 the first time around which was basically the annual service.
There goes the gas savings for the year!

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Reply #33 - Nov 6^th, 2018 at 3:44pm

juliar wrote on Nov 6^th, 2018 at 5:41am:

Just like the troll whose missing brain goes into frenzy mode when it overheats the Telsa goes belly up when it overheats. Tesla is a problem prone pile of junk - sounds just like the troll.

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Tesla roadster doesn't stop very well either - common Tesla problem

Vip, Feb 22, 2018

So my wife drives the roadster as her daily driver.

Last week my wife was driving to work after dropping off my son at school. The roadster threw up a warning "Powertrain problem, Service required" She texted me about while I was at work. A couple of miles later it put up a another warning "System too hot, Vehicle shutting down".

At that point the vehicle came to stop and she could not restart the car. After trying to figure out what to do we finally called our insurance roadside service to tow the car to the service center.

They worked on it for a day and came up with the diagnosis of "fan cooling duct to power electronics module loose and not allowing full fan air volume to cool module"

I figured since the car was in the shop I told them to go ahead and do the annual service (18 months since last service) to make sure nothing else is wrong. I also asked them to change the transmission fluid along with the coolant.

Got the car back 3 days ago. I drove it from the service center to my house with no issues. My wife drove it the next two days without any issues.

Then today she is driving and the powertrain warning comes up again. Luckily she was close to her destination and was able to make it there. After about an hour she got back into the car and was able to drive home (8 miles) without any issues and no warning. Told her to drive slowly and take back roads. She plugged in the car when she got home.

I get home late tonight from work to see the roadster charge port flashing red. Screen had a couple of faults "system too hot, vehicle shutting down" and something else along the lines of system too hot charging time increased. The car had charged about 40 miles in 7 hours on a NEMA 14-50.

I hear the coolant motor going so I decided to take a look. I see the coolant running in the container. When I try to get a better look to see how much is in there and it is nearly at the bottom (below the minimum line).

So I am not familiar with coolant system but I am guessing that the amount of fluid in the container should be higher despite the pump running, am I correct in assuming this? I had the coolant drained and refilled for my annual service.

What I am confused about is that the car was running fine for 3 days before this occurred again. Can the car run fine for a few days despite the coolant being low?
Any major damage that could be permanent with all this overheating?
Anyone else had this problem?
Just for future reference can I fill the coolant container myself?

I am obviously calling Tesla in the morning to see what can be done.

So my original post was last night when I got home. This morning I went to see what was going on. I did not charge the car overnight given what was going on.
The fault stating Powertrain Problem, service required still was there.
I decided to test drive the car around the block.
I started to drive and had the screen set to the temp indicators. Before driving the PEM was already at the highest green light before turning yellow. I was just about to pull into my driveway when it indicated that the vehicle was too hot and shutting down and I saw the PEM temp go yellow.
There I am sprawled across the road and can't move!!! Luckily I was able to put it in neutral and push it onto my driveway.
So I am seeing 2 codes: 947 and 1144.
Tesla is currently trying to figure out how to get the car to there service center.

Tesla told me I have the 2 fan setup. And apparently this is what is wrong. Not sure what happened when it went in the first time and was not discovered.
Tesla stated there is a recommended fix for this, to change it over to a single fan with different components. Unfortunately the cost is $1600!!! Not too happy about that given I just dropped about $800 the first time around which was basically the annual service.
There goes the gas savings for the year!

there was only 2400 roadsters made in total...….. for a first run hand made car and 10 years old im surprised this is the only problem...….. Tesla now make 2400 cars in 2 and a half days...…… next year probably make 2400 in 1 day...…. nice try Jules's keep at it..... go u good thing Wink

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Reply #34 - Nov 6^th, 2018 at 10:01pm

The dumb thick as a brick troll that hangs around like a bad smell shows amazing "intelligence" by copying my excellent relevant post and then adds some indescribable dribble.

The fact is the silly coot just does not have the intelligence to understand such factual relevant articles and probably has trouble with the big words.

Go away you silly worthless troll.

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Reply #35 - Nov 6^th, 2018 at 11:06pm

juliar wrote on Nov 6^th, 2018 at 10:01pm:

The dumb thick as a brick troll that hangs around like a bad smell shows amazing "intelligence" by copying my excellent relevant post and then adds some indescribable dribble.

The fact is the silly coot just does not have the intelligence to understand such factual relevant articles and probably has trouble with the big words.

Go away you silly worthless troll.

like what f.ckhead ? all you ever do is bag people that disagree with you. You never debate anything because you are a f.cking idiot conservative voter stuck in a time warp. You lot won't ever be satisfied until we are all using steam locomotives and oil lanterns.

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Reply #36 - Nov 7^th, 2018 at 5:30am

juliar wrote on Nov 6^th, 2018 at 10:01pm:

The dumb thick as a brick troll that hangs around like a bad smell shows amazing "intelligence" by copying my excellent relevant post and then adds some indescribable dribble.

The fact is the silly coot just does not have the intelligence to understand such factual relevant articles and probably has trouble with the big words.

Go away you silly worthless troll.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1541458470
this what everyone in the forum thinks of u Jules the joke

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #37 - Nov 7^th, 2018 at 5:36am The dumb thick as bricks trolls that hang around like bad smells are both seeking masochistic thrills. The fact is the silly coots just do not have the intelligence to understand factual relevant articles and probably have trouble with the big words. Go away you silly worthless trolls.
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #41 - Nov 7^th, 2018 at 1:29pm Gosh the troll imbecile with the shrunken head is getting angry at being repeatedly rejected as inferior and shown to be just a waste of space imbecile that is not worth feeding.
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #43 - Nov 7^th, 2018 at 3:56pm Gee the silly old troll is a glutton for punishment. Then most trolls have a masochistic streak. This specimen is certainly a sad case. Classic case of a child's mind in an adult body. Wonder why the mind never developed beyond that of a child ? Genetic malformation or something ?
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #45 - Nov 8^th, 2018 at 1:36pm The shrunken head of the troll appears again. Hangs around like a bad smell. Wonder why she doesn't stay in her own rubbish threads ?
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #47 - Nov 12^th, 2018 at 9:22am The malfunctioning shrunken brain in the shrunken head of the squishy troll that hangs around like a bad smell is obviously affected by Global Warming. As the overheating malfunctioning shrunken brain of the despised troll is incapable of any intelligent output the repulsive thing resorts to profane personal abuse.
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Reply #48 - Nov 12^th, 2018 at 9:23am

These Tesla S heaps don't stop very well do they even with crummy regen braking.

The whinging from a sorry Tesla owner.

Why shouldn't I buy a Tesla Model S? (Because they are an unsafe pile of junk ?)

I won't dwell on the ear-flattening acceleration, nor the magic-carpet ride and handling, nor the mesmerizing 17-inch touch screen controls.

Those features have been exhaustively analyzed and reported by far more expert authorities than I.

I'll just say that I was expecting a world-class cutting-edge luxury sport sedan, and that's just what Tesla Motors [NSDQ:TSLA] delivered.

But there have also been a few things I didn't expect.

Here are some of the little surprises--good and bad--that I've noticed in the Model S so far.

Vanishing regen

One of the joys of electric driving is regenerative braking. Lift your foot off the "gas" pedal, and the car slows aggressively as the drive motor turns into a generator and sends current back into the battery.

Strong regen is not only energy-efficient, but also gives the car a sporty, responsive feel, like engine braking in a gas car in a low gear. Electric-car drivers call it "one-pedal driving." With strong regen, you'll hardly ever touch the brake.

Different electric cars have different levels of regen. The gentle Nissan Leaf is designed to feel like a standard car [but has two different settings for Regen, D and ECO].

The Chevy Volt has two regen settings, one that mimics conventional gasoline cars, and a second stronger one that allows for one-pedal driving. (I drive my Volt in this "L" mode virtually 100 percent of the time.)

Tesla's first car, the two-seat Roadster, had particularly strong regen, a popular feature with its performance-oriented owners.

The Model S, like the Volt, has two settings: Low, which mimics conventional cars, and Standard, which follows in the one-pedal tradition of the Roadster.

I was eagerly anticipating the same sporty, responsive regen feel that had hooked me in the Volt.

Not so much, it turns out.

To my surprise, regenerative braking in the Model S virtually disappears when the battery is cold. Starting out on a winter's day, it feels disappointingly like any old ICE car--even with the regen on the highest setting.

As the battery warms, the regen gradually increases. But it can take a maddeningly long time to get back to the max level.

Model S vs Volt

On a sunny 40-degree day last week, it took almost 25 miles of driving for full regen to come back. On my typical shorter trips around town, I never get it back. I'd guess that overall, perhaps only a third of my driving so far has had full regen available.

Blame the Model S battery management system, which is programmed to limit the charge rate when the battery is cold.

Under normal circumstances, abruptly backing off the gas pedal at high speed can send a jolt of up to 60 kW into the Model S battery. Tesla engineers believe such bursts of charge are not healthy for cold batteries, and therefore limit regen accordingly.

The Model S has a dashboard dial that shows exactly how much regen current is flowing back into the battery at any given moment. Its maximum reading is 60 kW.

When regen is limited, a dotted line appears on the dial, and the meter won't go beyond it. On a cold day, the dotted line starts out at around the 15-kW mark and gradually moves up to the 60-kW level before disappearing altogether when the battery reaches its normal operating temperature.

By contrast, the Chevy Volt's regen is unaffected by temperature. It's the same sporty feel, winter or summer. Apparently Chevy engineers don't see a problem with high charge rates for cold batteries.

Do they know something Tesla engineers don't? Or vice versa?

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Reply #49 - Nov 12^th, 2018 at 9:29am

juliar wrote on Nov 12^th, 2018 at 9:22am:

The malfunctioning shrunken brain in the shrunken head of the squishy troll that hangs around like a bad smell is obviously affected by Global Warming.

As the overheating malfunctioning shrunken brain of the despised troll is incapable of any intelligent output the repulsive thing resorts to profane personal abuse.

the only thing conking out is you socko Cheesy

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Reply #51 - Nov 14^th, 2018 at 8:29am

Like its unsafe overheating Tesla cars TESLA itself is conking out and heading towards bankruptcy.

Yes. Tesla is hugely loss making, their latest financial statement is due Feb 2018, that will say HOW lossmaking, but the number will be big!

Tesla is failing. They are burning through cash FAST. They have a great product, one that could genuinely change the world, and huge customer demand. But they have production problems that to-date they have failed to solve.

Currently (Jan 2018) Tesla is failing to manufacture even 1,000 units a month, and there are serious quality issues with the units they are producing.

For comparison: Volkswagen produce 10,000,000 cars a year.

The smoke and mirrors about hypercars and semi-trucks is very concerning indeed, because Tesla are spending time and money on “window dressing” when their core function is failing.

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Reply #52 - Nov 14^th, 2018 at 9:10am

juliar wrote on Nov 14^th, 2018 at 8:29am:

Like its unsafe overheating Tesla cars TESLA itself is conking out and heading towards bankruptcy.

Yes. Tesla is hugely loss making, their latest financial statement is due Feb 2018, that will say HOW lossmaking, but the number will be big!

Tesla is failing. They are burning through cash FAST. They have a great product, one that could genuinely change the world, and huge customer demand. But they have production problems that to-date they have failed to solve.

Currently (Jan 2018) Tesla is failing to manufacture even 1,000 units a month, and there are serious quality issues with the units they are producing.

For comparison: Volkswagen produce 10,000,000 cars a year.

The smoke and mirrors about hypercars and semi-trucks is very concerning indeed, because Tesla are spending time and money on “window dressing” when their core function is failing.

So Tesla is the only car that has ever overheated. A regular occurrence with fossil fool cars socko. Try again Cheesy

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Reply #53 - Nov 14^th, 2018 at 9:32am

It gets boring to keep on showing the Village Idiot troll to be just a dumb dill. That is not hard to do as the dumb troll has an IQ < 10.

The poor village idiot troll gets so frustrated because her mental inadequacy and poor education and low IQ prevents her from being able to constructively contribute.

So she does what all mentally deprived Greeny types do - attack the hated vastly superior poster who keeps making her look silly.

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Reply #55 - Nov 14^th, 2018 at 10:35am

It gets boring to keep on showing the Village Idiot troll to be just a dumb dill. That is not hard to do as the dumb troll has an IQ < 10.

The poor village idiot troll gets so frustrated because her mental inadequacy and poor education and low IQ prevents her from being able to constructively contribute.

So she does what all mentally deprived Greeny types do - attack the hated vastly superior poster who keeps making her look silly.

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It gets boring to keep on showing the Village Idiot troll to be just a dumb dill. That is not hard to do as the dumb troll has an IQ < 10.

The poor village idiot troll gets so frustrated because her mental inadequacy and poor education and low IQ prevents her from being able to constructively contribute.

So she does what all mentally deprived Greeny types do - attack the hated vastly superior poster who keeps making her look silly.

Sad but true. The muddled workings of her simple child's mind are tragic to behold.

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Reply #59 - Nov 14^th, 2018 at 3:59pm

Are trolls a genetic aberration of the human race ? Evolution anomaly ?

Tesla engineers warn Model 3 batteries could catch fire
January 26, 2018 John Paul Hampstead

The future of the Tesla Semi dim sims

Yesterday CNBC reported that a number of current and former Tesla employees have confirmed that Model 3 productions problems are deeper and more persistent than has been previously reported or acknowledged by the company in its last earnings call.

When in the past Tesla CEO Musk has tried to minimize the depths of ‘production hell’ at the Gigafactory, he pointed to specific, limited issues like a last minute rewrite of battery software to explain hangups in production. Yesterday’s reports, however, identified more widespread problems, ranging from hand-assembled batteries to hiring temp workers with no automotive experience to perform quality control.

Responding to concerns about the company’s reliance on unqualified temps, a Tesla spokesperson wrote that “We’ve been able to teach new skills to thousands of new employees.” Tesla stock has dropped 5% since reaching its peak on Jan 23rd.

Most startling were the claims by 2 engineers that Model 3 lithium ion batteries were being assembled by hand so hastily—borrowed Panasonic employees were “slapping bandoliers together as fast as they possibly could”—sometimes without adequate gaps between the cells. If separate battery cells touched, the engineers warned, the battery could short-circuit or even catch fire.

“The implication that Tesla would ever deliver a car with a hazardous battery is absolutely inaccurate, contrary to all evidence, and detached from reality,” a Tesla spokesperson wrote in response. “Every battery in a Tesla vehicle has thousands of cells, the vast majority of which are at the same voltage potential as neighboring cells. Hypothetically, even if two cells of the same voltage potential were touching, there would be absolutely zero impact, safety or otherwise – it would be as if two neutral pieces of metal touched,” the spokesperson continued. The Tesla representative went on to describe the safety and quality checks performed in Tesla’s battery production process.

Model 3 batteries are still being assembled by hand at Tesla’s Nevada Gigafactory because the machines that would automate that process are still being completed. Early last year, Tesla made a controversial decision to skip the soft-tooling prototype stage of car production that would have allowed the company to adjust and calibrate its machines before the final versions were ordered. At the time, Elon Musk argued that skipping soft-tooling would allow the Model 3 to reach full production more quickly, but the opposite has proven true. One Tesla engineer said that even today, “There's no redundancy, so when one thing goes wrong, everything shuts down.” Tesla is still not close to mass-producing the battery for its basic $35k Model 3.

Of course, we know that Tesla doesn’t actually want to sell the base model because they’ve said they’re prioritizing the higher-spec models—the least expensive car they’re offering is priced at $49k. “While I've no doubt that Tesla will eventually work out its Model 3 production problems,” said Mark Spiegel of Stanphyl Capital, “the base model will cost Tesla at least mid-$40,000s to build. The company will never deliver more than a token few for less than the current $49,000 lowest-cost offering. Sales will hugely disappoint relative to expectations of over 400,000 a year. And even at those higher prices Tesla will never come anywhere close to its promised [profitability].” Stanphyl Capital has taken a large short position against Tesla stock, representing about 15% of Stanphyl’s assets under management. Spiegel clarified that he doesn’t expect Tesla stock to decline linearly, but instead views the company as a landmine that could explode at any moment with “company-killing news”, and he wants to make sure that he has a large short position when the inevitable happens.

For his part, Musk told the New York Times that, “I actually see the potential for Tesla to become a trillion-dollar company within a 10-year period.”

But what do the Model 3’s seemingly insurmountable production issues mean for the Tesla Semi? Tesla’s arduous pursuit of profitability will only be encumbered by an additional multi-billion dollar investment in completely new truck manufacturing lines. The carmaker is already more than $8B in debt and would have to raise additional capital to begin truck manufacturing—far more money than what Tesla has already collected from pre-order deposits. Even though a Tesla Semi was spied on the road in Santa Clara, the array of other issues Tesla is currently facing make it difficult to imagine mass production of the Semi by 2019.

Thus: Tesla is having trouble mass producing the Model 3 and only has a hope of making a profit on the most expensive $49k higher spec version. A car at that price is much less competitive in the mass market than a car selling for $35k. If Tesla is forced to commit to the high end version of the Model 3, it will not meet its sales targets of 400k units in 2018 and will continue losing market share to its competitors. Where does the money to invest in the Semi come from in that scenario?

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Are trolls a genetic evolution error ?

Tesla unsafe still experimental heaps of junk are dirty DIRTY
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Tesla's coal-powered cars and trucks
November 28, 2017 John Paul Hampstead, staff writer

EVs just move their carbon emissions upstream

Tesla’s mission is “to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport by bringing compelling mass market electric cars to market as soon as possible,” wrote Elon Musk in The Secret Tesla Motors Master Plan. The large-scale shift from internal combustion engine powered automobiles to electric vehicles (EVs) is a crucial part of this ‘sustainability’ mission. Governments around the world have bought into electric cars as a way to lower their countries’ carbon emissions and have coughed up the generous subsidies electric car makers need to make themselves competitive (but note: the current versions of the U.S. Senate and House tax bills end these subsidies).

But in many countries, internal combustion engine-powered compact cars like the Mitsubishi Mirage have a smaller total carbon footprint than electric cars. How is this possible?

There are two main sources of EVs’ hidden carbon footprint:
first, carbon-intensive manufacturing processes including aluminum and copper extraction and refinement and
second, the dirty electric grids charging the cars’ batteries.

Electric carmakers prefer lightweight aluminum over steel to maximize range: Tesla builds the body and chassis of its Model S almost entirely from about 410 lbs (190 kg) of aluminum. Average total aluminum content per car is expected to grow from roughly 397 lbs per car in 2015 to 565 lbs by 2028. The highly energy-intensive processes involved in aluminum production mean that a car’s worth of aluminum costs about 30% more in emitted CO2 than a car’s worth of steel. In China, the world’s leading manufacturer of EVs, 14 tons of CO2 is emitted for every ton of aluminum produced, three times more than the CO2 emitted by Alcoa, the U.S.’s largest aluminum producer.

China now worries that their dirty smelting operations mean that switching to electric cars will actually make their smog problem worse.

“If the USA had 10% more petrol cars by 2020, air pollution would claim 870 more lives. A similar increase in electric ones would cause 1,617 more deaths a year, mostly because of the coal burned,” said Danish researcher Bjorn Lomborg.

EVs’ intensive copper use—an electric car uses about 6 km of copper wire weighing 45 kg, compared to a conventional auto’s 20 kg of copper—also poses a carbon emissions problem. In the mid-1800s, copper ore contained about 10% usable copper, but over the course of the twentieth century, that purity has decreased to less than 1%, making the mining and production of copper extremely energy- and carbon-intensive. The energy used to smelt copper increases exponentially as the ore grade falls below 1%. The new copper mines being constructed to meet increased demand have to be factored into the carbon footprint of electric vehicles—and in general, new copper ore stocks being developed are deeper and require more energy to exploit than currently productive reserves.

What about the power grids that charge EVs’ batteries? Energy sources vary wildly by country. Globally, in 2014, 66% of global energy came from coal (29%), oil (22%), and gas (5%). China, the country with the largest number of EVs on the road, got 72% of its energy from coal alone in 2014; the USA produced 68% of its energy from fossil fuels, including coal (38%) and gas (30%) in 2014. Coal use in the USA is trending downward as a proportion of overall energy use, partially due to the new shale gas deposits being exploited by fracking.

Shifting the energy burden of the American transportation industry from gas and diesel fuels to the power grid will result in enormous increases in electricity demand. In temperate places like San Francisco, plugging an electric car into a dedicated circuit like Tesla’s PowerWall is the equivalent of adding between 5 and 10 houses to the grid. The supercharging stations required to charge Tesla’s Semis will require surge capacities far beyond anything the American grid was designed to handle. Finally, to get EVs closer to being considered ‘carbon-neutral’—because of their raw materials they never truly will be—the American energy system will have to go green.

But it’s an open question as to whether solar and wind plants can generate enough power to not only replace fossil fuel plants but also match the increased demand for electricity as hundreds of millions of vehicles start plugging in. The largest, most powerful solar plant in the United States is the Ivanpah Solar Power Facility in the Mojave Desert, which generates 392 MW; the largest wind plant in the USA is the Alta Wind Energy Center in California’s Tehachapi Pass, which generates 1,547 MW; by comparison, the largest coal plant in the United States, Plant Scherer in Georgia, generates 3,389 MW.

Ironically, Tesla’s EV cars and trucks may end up prolonging America’s reliance on fossil fuels to generate electricity, because renewable sources can't yet meet rising demand.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #63 - Nov 16^th, 2018 at 9:09am The thick as a brick impaired troll is shocked to vaguely learn the truth. And the dumb coot even puts one of those silly YouTube videos up that nobody ever looks at. Bet the silly coot wishes he/she could understand all those big words that intelligent well educated adults with adult brains use.
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Reply #65 - Nov 16^th, 2018 at 10:06am

Now the frustration the overheated by Global Warming dumb troll feels at being unable to understand the big words adults use swells up into a profane tirade at his/her HERO who just does not recognize troll trash. A standard pretend Greeny response.

Tesla uses ‘dangerous batteries’, whistle-blower says as Elon Musk derides him as ‘horrible’
The Washington Post PUBLISHED : Thursday, 12 July, 2018, 1:51am UPDATED : Thursday, 12 July, 2018, 3:35am

A fired Tesla technician whom Musk called a ‘horrible human being’ tells a US agency the carmaker has used dangerous batteries.

What Tesla will look like in a few years time. Experience the thrill of a crash - ride in a Tesla!!!

The US flag flies over Chinese shipping containers at the Port of Long Beach in Los Angeles County on September 29, 2018. American companies including Boeing, Dow, General Motors, GE, Ford and Tesla together made up the third-largest congregation of exhibitors at the China International Import Expo in Shanghai from November 5 to 8, 018. Photo: AFP

Martin Tripp, the fired Tesla technician fighting a corporate legal battle and a war of words with chief Elon Musk, has formally filed a tip with the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) alleging the carmaker lied to investors and used dangerous batteries in its electric cars, his lawyer said.

Tripp told the SEC on Friday that the Silicon Valley car company, whose US$53 billion value rivals that of General Motors, had pushed for a number of potentially damaging measures to meet production quotas, including placing batteries with puncture holes into vehicles and reusing scrapped parts.

The company, Tripp said, had also inflated the number of Model 3 sedans it was making each week by as much as 44 per cent, skewing the figure that investors and buyers had for months watched closely for clues to Tesla’s performance.

Tesla lights up a smoke

Tesla did not immediately respond to requests for comment. The company has in the past repeatedly denied Tripp’s claims, saying no batteries with puncture holes had been used in cars, that Tripp was wrong about the scrap materials, and that the company’s production numbers were accurate. The SEC declined to comment.

Tesla fired Tripp last month and sued him for allegedly hacking the company’s computer systems, leaking false and damaging information to the press, and stealing valuable secrets, which Tripp denies.

In emails, Musk told Tripp he should be “ashamed” of himself and was “a horrible human being”.

The company also said it received a phone call from a friend of Tripp after his firing, suggesting Tripp would go to Tesla’s battery-producing Gigafactory in Nevada, where Tripp had worked, and “shoot the place up”.

Tripp said the claim was “absurd”, and law enforcement authorities who investigated the call said “there was no credible threat.”

Tripp has retained Stuart Meissner, a New York lawyer who represented the anonymous whistle-blower in a 2016 case against agriculture-chemical giant Monsanto.

The whistle-blower won US$22 million in the case, one of the largest payouts since the SEC began offering awards in 2012 to encourage more internal reporting of potential violations.

Meissner said Tesla has sought to ruin Tripp’s reputation as a way to protect its image and intimidate other potential whistle-blowers from coming forward.

Battery of Tesla in 185km/h explosive crash ‘reignited twice’
“Tesla and Mr. Musk have poured petrol on the fire of Tesla supporters,” Meissner said. Tripp “is not a public figure, like Elon Musk, and yet he’s been just tossed out there into the public realm and trashed.”

Tripp has yet to retain a lawyer for his legal defence against Tesla, which is seeking at least US$1 million in damages.

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Reply #66 - Nov 16^th, 2018 at 3:51pm

juliar wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 10:06am:

Now the frustration the overheated by Global Warming dumb troll feels at being unable to understand the big words adults use swells up into a profane tirade at his/her HERO who just does not recognize troll trash. A standard pretend Greeny response.

Tesla uses ‘dangerous batteries’, whistle-blower says as Elon Musk derides him as ‘horrible’
The Washington Post PUBLISHED : Thursday, 12 July, 2018, 1:51am UPDATED : Thursday, 12 July, 2018, 3:35am

A fired Tesla technician whom Musk called a ‘horrible human being’ tells a US agency the carmaker has used dangerous batteries.

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What Tesla will look like in a few years time. Experience the thrill of a crash - ride in a Tesla!!!

The US flag flies over Chinese shipping containers at the Port of Long Beach in Los Angeles County on September 29, 2018. American companies including Boeing, Dow, General Motors, GE, Ford and Tesla together made up the third-largest congregation of exhibitors at the China International Import Expo in Shanghai from November 5 to 8, 018. Photo: AFP

Martin Tripp, the fired Tesla technician fighting a corporate legal battle and a war of words with chief Elon Musk, has formally filed a tip with the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) alleging the carmaker lied to investors and used dangerous batteries in its electric cars, his lawyer said.

Tripp told the SEC on Friday that the Silicon Valley car company, whose US$53 billion value rivals that of General Motors, had pushed for a number of potentially damaging measures to meet production quotas, including placing batteries with puncture holes into vehicles and reusing scrapped parts.

The company, Tripp said, had also inflated the number of Model 3 sedans it was making each week by as much as 44 per cent, skewing the figure that investors and buyers had for months watched closely for clues to Tesla’s performance.

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Tesla lights up a smoke

Tesla did not immediately respond to requests for comment. The company has in the past repeatedly denied Tripp’s claims, saying no batteries with puncture holes had been used in cars, that Tripp was wrong about the scrap materials, and that the company’s production numbers were accurate. The SEC declined to comment.

Tesla fired Tripp last month and sued him for allegedly hacking the company’s computer systems, leaking false and damaging information to the press, and stealing valuable secrets, which Tripp denies.

In emails, Musk told Tripp he should be “ashamed” of himself and was “a horrible human being”.

The company also said it received a phone call from a friend of Tripp after his firing, suggesting Tripp would go to Tesla’s battery-producing Gigafactory in Nevada, where Tripp had worked, and “shoot the place up”.

Tripp said the claim was “absurd”, and law enforcement authorities who investigated the call said “there was no credible threat.”

Tripp has retained Stuart Meissner, a New York lawyer who represented the anonymous whistle-blower in a 2016 case against agriculture-chemical giant Monsanto.

The whistle-blower won US$22 million in the case, one of the largest payouts since the SEC began offering awards in 2012 to encourage more internal reporting of potential violations.

Meissner said Tesla has sought to ruin Tripp’s reputation as a way to protect its image and intimidate other potential whistle-blowers from coming forward.

Battery of Tesla in 185km/h explosive crash ‘reignited twice’
“Tesla and Mr. Musk have poured petrol on the fire of Tesla supporters,” Meissner said. Tripp “is not a public figure, like Elon Musk, and yet he’s been just tossed out there into the public realm and trashed.”

Tripp has yet to retain a lawyer for his legal defence against Tesla, which is seeking at least US$1 million in damages.

https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/2154894/ex-tesla-employee-steps-...

so has the scumbag saboteur retained a lawyer or what ? the guy who wrote this crap cant seam to decide Cheesy

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Reply #67 - Nov 16^th, 2018 at 6:10pm

Now the frustration the overheated by Global Warming dumb troll feels at being unable to understand the big words adults use swells up into a desperate cry for help. A standard pretend Greeny response.

Now yet another unsafe dangerous Tesla crashes and kills bloke this time.

Tesla driver dies after car crashes through fence, then plunges into pond in California
PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 22 May, 2018, 2:17am UPDATED : Tuesday, 22 May, 2018, 9:12pm

It’s too soon to know if the Tesla’s semi-autonomous autopilot mode was engaged when the crash occurred, authorities said.

A Tesla Model S is shown after being pulled out of a pond on Monday near San Ramon, California. The driver, who was killed, veered off the road, crashed through a fence and into the pond, authorities said. Photo: KNTV via AP

Authorities in the San Francisco Bay area in northern California are investigating the death of a man after a Tesla he was driving veered off a road, crashed through a fence and plunged into a pond. It is unknown if the vehicle was in autopilot mode.

Read the rest of this funeral plunge here.

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Chows sound death knell for cash strapped Tesla.

No doubt the Chows simply pulled a Tesla apart and copied all the bits and pieces and made their own. Wonder if it crashes as well as the Tesla with lousy brakes ? And it it overheats after a kilometer or so ?

Tesla challenger Xpeng to roll out first electric car next month ahead of new credit system designed to promote China’s EV market
Sarah Dai PUBLISHED : Friday, 16 November, 2018, 12:58pm UPDATED : Friday, 16 November, 2018, 3:59pm

Chinese start-ups are investing billions of dollars in advanced technologies to challenge Telsa and established carmakers in EV market

Xpeng Motors, the electric car start-up backed by Alibaba Group Holding, said it will roll out its first mass-produced model next month as more Chinese firms step up to challenge US giant Tesla for the hearts and minds of local drivers.

The move comes 17 months after the Guangzhou-based carmaker received its safety certification from the industry watchdog and 10 months since it unveiled the electric car model at the CES show in Las Vegas.

“It’s a challenge for any new EV manufacturer to ramp up production and meet delivery targets,” Xpeng chairman and chief executive He Xiaopeng said on the sidelines of the Guangzhou auto show on Friday, adding that quality has been the priority over speed to market.

“It is not a race. There’s no short cut. It’s about gaining consumer confidence in our products and services and building a solid reputation for the EV sector in China,” he said.

Xpeng, or Xiaopeng in Chinese, is one of dozens of electric car start-ups that have emerged in recent years after the government started issuing special manufacturing permits to companies outside traditional auto industry players.

Venturing into territory dominated by foreign carmakers like GM, Toyota Motor and Volkswagen, the Chinese start-ups are investing billions of dollars in advanced technologies ranging from autonomous driving and voice control to other bespoke smart features, hoping to upend the giants and take on Tesla which is close to building a factory in Shanghai, its first factory outside the US.

China’s drive to become world’s most powerful electric car maker.

China has been revving up efforts to promote the sector and will enforce a “dual credit” scheme starting from January. Under the new policy, local and foreign carmakers have to meet minimum production requirements for new-energy vehicles. Credits can be bought or sold to meet government targets and those falling short will face penalties, including fines and even factory shut downs.

Despite not having its first production vehicle ready till now, Xpeng has raised over 10 billion yuan (US$1.4 billion) since its establishment in 2014, attracting Alibaba, Foxconn Technology Group, and Hillhouse Capital among its investors.

Featuring a windscreen that extends back to give occupants a sky view and Star Wars-inspired headlights, the G3 model that is slated for delivery on December 12 is also equipped with a voice-activated artificial intelligent assistant, auto parking and “over the air” cloud upgrades.

“Renewability is a major feature to set smart cars – in the real sense – apart,” said Brian Gu, Xpeng’s vice-chairman and president, adding that the company’s independent research on auto-parking and bottom-up layout enables timely upgrades of all in-car software including autonomous driving features.

Research staff account for about two thirds of Xpeng’s total workforce of over 3,000, according to Gu.

The fully electric, five-seat compact SUV is priced between 200,000 to 280,000 yuan before government subsidies. In comparison, Tesla’s Model X starts from 887,600 yuan.

WM Motor and NIO, two other Chinese EV competitors backed by Tencent Holdings and Baidu respectively, rolled out their new models earlier this year. With a five month head start over Xpeng, New York-listed NIO has delivered over 3,000 vehicles and is expected to deliver between 6,700 and 7,000 in the fourth quarter, it said in a quarterly filing. WM Motor targets annual deliveries of 10,000 by the year end.

Read the full story of the sounding of the death knell for Tesla here

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Reply #69 - Nov 16^th, 2018 at 9:55pm

I don't know why u post about a china start-up when there r already some well established EV makers out there BYD is about as big as Tesla and Siac is big as well, the article u posted might still be vapourware…..
However the post does show that more and more companies r making electric vehicles and that's good for us all , thanks Jules Wink

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Reply #70 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 9:28am

The frozen mind of the shrunken head of the scented troll appears from under the floorboards. But now something actually relevant and not just decaying rotting guff oozing out of the frozen head of an obnoxious unwelcome troll.

As is already well known the Tesla pile of junk freezes up in cold weather - like the dumb troll's "mind" that Nature forgot and never developed beyond that of a child.

As usual Musky releases an untested still experimental pile of junk on the gullible public.

Yet another Tesla 3 with lousy breaks can't stop.

New Video Shows Tesla Model 3 Can't Handle Winter Weather
BY SEAN MURRAY – ON NOV 17, 2018 IN MOTOR HUB

A new video shows that the Tesla Model 3 is having trouble even in mildly cold winter weather.

The Tesla Model 3 first started getting delivered last year, but it was mostly sent owners living in perpetually-sunny California. A place that has never really seen snow doesn’t count as somewhere you can test a car for winter driving, so this year is the first true winter that the Model 3 has ever seen. And it’s causing a few problems.

According to Electrek, there are multiple reports from more northerly Tesla owners saying that parts of their car are freezing shut as soon as the temperatures drop below 32 degrees F. Door handles, windows, and even the charging ports are having a tough time when the air turns cold enough to freeze trapped water vapor, causing the hinges to seize.

On the Model 3, the door handles are actually recessed and the passenger mush press then inward in order to make the handle pop out. Then the window automatically lowers just enough for it to no longer be obstructed by the sound-proofing panel on the door. Model 3 owners are saying that both the door handle and window are becoming stuck in freezing temperatures.

To test the reports, Electrek’s editor in chief left his Model 3 outside in the cold and then filmed his attempt to enter the car. It was about -7 degrees C (or 19 degrees F) ambient temperature, and he left his car for 10 minutes to preheat. By the time ten minutes were up, he whipped out his phone and started recording.

Tesla Model 3 cold weather issues - Electrek

Sure enough, the door handles were completely jammed. It took some repeated hammering with his fist just to get them unfrozen, and it seemed like he might have broken at least one of the handles. Even after the handles popped out, the windows refused to budge making it impossible to get inside the car.

It looks like he didn’t have any problems with the charging port at least.

There’s been no word from Tesla on these reports, but a car that only works in California is definitely not a car to rely on in a blizzard.

https://www.hotcars.com/new-video-shows-tesla-model-3-cant-handle-winter-weather...

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Reply #71 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 4:47am

https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-winter-weather/
Aside from range, Andy is impressed with how well the Model 3 handles in the snow. It’s important to note that he’s driving a rear-wheel-drive Model 3 with stock tires (not winter tires). In terms of the complaints about frozen door handles and windows, Andy says he really doesn’t believe that the Model 3 is a bad winter car and points out that these are common issues in many cars. Cold weather is just not friendly to our vehicles and having things freeze up can happen to anyone with any car.
healsoshowsthwe door handles workingfine and talkes about hislast car freezing up,, u leave a car out for the night inthe snowandhinges will freeze up.... Ohhh JJ try again Wink

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Reply #73 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 7:24am

Totally ignoring the Greeny lying rubbish from the silly little dumb troll with the frozen child's mind that nature forgot.
These Globally Warmed Greeny style Tesla lovers cough up such ludicrous trash because they are so ignorant of any practical technical details.

Now get the FACTS about Tesla 3 big freeze up. Another albatross from conman Musky.

Tesla Model 3 is starting to show some important flaws in cold weather
Fred Lambert - Nov. 14th 2018 6:42 pm ET

Tesla Model 3 is going to see its first serious winter in the next few months and some owners are already reporting a few important issues in cold weather.

While Tesla officially started deliveries of Model 3 last year, the first few months of deliveries were in sunny California and it took a while for Model 3 to make it to colder climates.

There were some vehicles that made it up north during the last winter, but it could be argued that Model 3 is only now going to see its first full winter – at least for many owners.

Over the past few days, there’s been a wave of cold in Quebec and the temperature went below freezing.

Tesla Model 3 cold weather issues
Electrek received several reports from local Model 3 owners having issues with their door handles, windows, and charge ports over the last few days.

The door handles of the Model 3 are embedded inside the door and you need to press on one side for it to pop out and pull on it.

Once you pull, the window slides down slightly and enables you to open the door.

With the cold, several owners are reporting that the door handles are extremely hard to pop out and when they do, the window doesn’t always come down.

After reading the reports, I decided to film myself trying to open my Model 3 after it sat outside all day. Sure enough, I experienced the exact same problems:

Tesla Model 3 cold weather issues - Electrek

My front driver window did come down enough to open the door, but it doesn’t go up and down properly anymore.

For context, it was about -7℃ outside and my Tesla app was showing 1℃ inside the vehicle when I started pre-heating it to 22℃.

Preheating was on for about 10 minutes before I walked up to the car, which is generally more than enough for the heating system to reach the preset temperature, which in this case was 22℃.

It wasn’t even cold enough to activate the battery pre-heating feature.

We received a dozen reports of Model 3 owners having similar issues in the Northeast following the recent cold temperature. Several of them are also experience issue opening and closing the charge port door.

Electrek contacted Tesla about the issue and the company said that they are looking into it. We will update if we get further details.

Electrek’s Take
It’s worrying because I don’t see an easy fix for this and the temperature is just starting to get cold right now.

In the next few months, it will get much colder around here and there hasn’t been any snow or ice yet.

If people are having issues right now, I can’t imagine what will happen when we hit -15℃, -20℃, -25℃, which is not unusual around here.

The issues we are seeing right now are unusual for Tesla vehicles because they acquired a good reputation in cold climates. Tesla likes to say that Norway, where they have tough winters, is their biggest market per capita.

I spent the whole last winter in Quebec with a Model S and I had no issue with it:

https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/11/IMG_0910-e1542235151566.jpgquality=82&strip=all

Driving in snowy conditions has been great and I had no issues with the windows or handles. I would pre-heat the car at least 10 minutes before using it and would give it more time the colder it got.

I actually thought it would be even easier with the Model 3 because the handles are not robotized like the Model S, but it’s not off to a good start.

The only silver lining is that Tesla has been generally fairly good at addressing flaws like that when they are found.

In the meantime, the best solution is likely to overheat the cabin for a longer period of time before trying to unlock the Model 3. Of course, it’s not really convenient or efficient, but it’s the best I can think of for now.

We will keep a close eye on the issue and we will report back soon.

https://electrek.co/2018/11/14/tesla-model-3-cold-weather-flaws/

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Reply #74 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 7:30am

Real people say the Tesla 3 is a pile of frozen junk. Lousy design and untested still experimental when sold to the gullible public. Tesla relies on its dumb owners to find the bad design problems.

Tesla is finished once the new safe fully tested electrics from BMW, Volkswagen, Jaguar, etc hit the streets. Tesla is already doused in China by the Chinese made copies of Tesla.

Aigars Mahinovs Dan • 4 days ago
BMW, actually. There are things that manufactures do to door handle design specifically to avoid such issues.

There were a few design patterns back in the 00s that had issues for example. Not enough winter testing.

It wasn't even that ice formed over handles - that is fine, they were designed with that in mind.

The idea was that the handle opening direction was such that you could just pull the handle with ice frozen over it and it will break the ice in one specific spot as you are pulling the handle out.

The actual problem was that people were pulling too hard and damaging the mechanics, so nowadays there is a steel arrestor cable that limits maximum handle extension without damaging the handle, so you can safely apply force to pull a frozen handle and it will open without damaging the door.

Tesla went backwards in this and made part of the handle move *into* the door when you are opening the door.

If there is ice buildup behind that handle, you'll not going to be able to open it until all of that ice is fully melted.

And even IF ice is only on the surface, you do not have a good leverage point to break the ice. Not all fancy design is practical. A lot of different use cases need to be considered even in something seemingly simple as door handles.

Dan Aigars Mahinovs • 4 days ago
Thanks for that, I did not think the design was any good, I have a model 3 reservation in the UK and I was concerned about this as I had this problem years ago when I had a Smart Roadster. Door handles always froze in winter and I could not shut the door until later in the day and had to drive holding onto the door!

My model S which is up for lease renewal in 2019 had a problem last year with a handle and glass getting stuck to rubber seals in cold temperatures. I put talcum powder on the seals in winter to prevent sticking, also on the sunroof runners as talcum acts as a lubricant on rubber.

I think Tesla will have problems with these handles. It would not surprise me if they make rectifications on future production.

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Reply #76 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 8:01am

And it is not as if these Tesla unsafe problems started just recently.

Tesla Model X Is Bedeviled By Problems That Were Predicted By Experts
David Kiley Apr 19, 2016, 07:23pm

A Tesla Model X is displayed during the Geneva Motor Show 2016. The luxury crossover is showing early quality problems that will be hard to fix because they are baked into the design of the car. (Photo by Harold Cunningham/Getty Images)

Tesla Motors TSLA -0.26% chief Elon Musk is learning that taking orders for cars is the glory of the auto business. Making sure the cars work properly and that customers are taken care of is another kettle of fish entirely–as the newest report from Consumer Reports shows about early problems with the Tesla Model X crossover.

Some of these problems were predictable, and were, in fact, forecasted by auto industry veterans. Chief among the problems are the knife-hinged doors. There is a reason why these kinds of doors, popular on auto-show concept cars, almost never make into production. “The Model X appears to be unbuildable with those automatic gull-wing doors, which everyone in the industry always said were not going to work,” said former GM vice chairman Bob Lutz on CNBC last Fall.

The Model X’s curved windshield, too, reports Consumer Reports, has resulted in drivers seeing double-vision distortion of oncoming headlights and street-lamps. This could become a safety recall if there are accidents as a result of the design, or garner enough bad publicity that Tesla will have to make a change.

The question for Musk is: Was he advised by experienced designers and production chiefs that these features, pretty and interesting as they are, might not be worth doing if they are known to cause these kinds of problems?

Other problems reported by Consumer Reports include an insufficient heating system, failure of automatic sensors that keep the doors from hitting stuff, paint issues and a frequently frozen center-dash screen.

A Tesla spokesperson issued the following email in response to the Consumer Reports article: “We are committed to making the world's most reliable cars. While we have seen some issues with early Model X builds, the issues are not widespread, and we are working closely with each owner to respond quickly and proactively to address any problems. We will continue to do so until each customer is fully satisfied. This commitment is one of the reasons why 98 percent of our customers say they will buy another Tesla as their next car.”

Consumer Reports has had a bumpy ride with Tesla. The magazine reported last October that the Model S performed better in its road test than any car in the history of the magazine’s testing. Wow! But scarcely a week later, CR pulled its “recommended” rating from the Model S.

Jake Fisher, the head of auto testing for Consumer Reports said that while the car tested off the charts, literally, for performance and handling, surveys turned in by owners told a different story. Fisher told National Public Radio: “Statistically speaking, this car is more likely to have problems than the average vehicle. And that's not a good thing. You know, when you plunk down this kind of money, you want a car that's going to not just perform really great, but do it every day without headaches.”

The efficacy of the car’s AutoPilot feature, which is meant to counter distracted driving events, has been a problem too, with drivers recording themselves driving hands-free at high speeds. The system has had very mixed reviews for how well it works.

Tesla has been riding a wave of positive publicity and share-price appreciation having taken in over 300,000 pre-orders with $1,000 deposits for its Model 3, not due to be delivered until late 2017, or 2018 for many buyers. The company’s shares have climbed about 76% in two months after falling precipitously last year. Read: Elon Musk Cements Pied Piper Stats With Launch of Model 3.

It’s not as if Tesla hasn’t hired some seasoned production experts. The company’s head of production is Gilbert Passin who held high-ranking production positions at Toyota, Volvo and Mack Truck. Toyota, which previously owned and operated the plant where Teslas are being built in Fremont, Calif., is the graduate academy for auto production in the industry. Tesla design chief Franz von Holzhausen labored at Mazda, General Motors GM -0.2% and Volkswagen. The kinds of problems the Model X is having usually result from the people holding those two posts not agreeing or not working off the same song-sheet; or the executive with the tie-breaker power, Musk, over-ruling what experts tell him is incredibly risky and difficult and probably not worth the negative fallout.

Tesla has been a niche manufacturer building cars in relative small volumes. But the Model 3 is going to change that. If everyone who plunked down a deposit for a Model 3 actually takes delivery, Tesla could be as big as Volkswagen is in the U.S. inside of five years. Musk should show that the company is ready for that kind of volume and strain on the system by making lower-risk design choices; unless he's comfortable with the roller-coaster-track-like chart that has been Tesla’s share-price history of late.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkiley5/2016/04/19/tesla-is-bedeviled-by-model-...

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Reply #78 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 1:05pm

And the troll with the strained brain that is malfunctioning due to overheating by Global Warming tries to come out from under the floor boards but like a Tesla, conks out. Gurgle, Grunt, Gasp!!!

These trolls are a bigger disaster than the unsafe Teslas!!!!!! They are like some sort of children's comedy show.

Winter Has Barely Started, But Tesla Model 3 Cold-Weather Complaints Are Pouring In
Courtesy of ZeroHedge. View original post here.

The Tesla Model 3's inaugural winter hasn’t really even started yet and already owners are beginning to have issues with their vehicle, according to a new report by pro-Tesla blog electrek.

Even though Tesla technically began delivery of its Model 3 vehicles last year, the first few months of deliveries took place in California where there was no notable cold weather. It took some time for the Model 3 to make its way east and to colder climates, but it finally has, spurring a litany of complaints.

The recent cold front coming through Quebec, where temperatures went slightly below freezing for the first time this year, resulted in a number of reports from local Model 3 owners facing issues with things like door handles, windows and charge ports.

Owners are reporting that the Model 3 door handles are becoming extremely difficult to use because of the cold weather. They are usually activated by pressing on one side of them to pop them out. This is usually followed by the corresponding window rolling down slightly, something that other owners are reporting is not happening as it should.

But don’t take it from these reports, take it from the editor of the pro-Tesla blog electrek himself, Frederick Lambert. He decided to do some testing of his own after reading this report and, on a whim, arrived at the exact same problems. He documented his problems on a YouTube video.

VIDEO: Tesla Model 3 cold weather issues

As you can see by viewing the video, he struggles for about a minute, with his bare hands in the freezing cold, just to get the door handle to pop out so he can open his driver side door. Welcome to the future of automobiles.

He claims that preheating was on for about 10 minutes before he even walked up to his car. Prior to turning on preheating, the temperature outside the vehicle was -7C (19F) and the temperature inside the vehicle was about 1C (34F). The preset temperature for his car was 22C (about 71F). Those temperatures shouldn't be too troublesome, he alludes, because they weren't even cold enough to activate the battery pre-heating feature in the car.

Lambert says he has gotten "a dozen" reports of Model 3 owners having the same types of issues. Some have also complained about the charge port door not opening and closing as it should, despite Lambert being able to do so in his video.

Lambert calls the problems "worrying" because he "doesn't see an easy fix" for it and because "the temperature is just starting to get cold". The fact that it's going to get much colder – and then eventually snow – seems to have him worried about what the winter will hold for his Model 3.

What's his sage-like advice to other Tesla owners?

In the meantime, the best solution is likely to overheat the cabin for a longer period of time before trying to unlock the Model 3. Of course, it’s not really convenient or efficient, but it’s the best ai [sic] can think of for now.

https://www.philstockworld.com/2018/11/18/winter-has-barely-started-but-tesla-mo...

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DonDeeHippy Gold Member Offline Cool Stuff Posts: 2782 Australia Gender:	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #80 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 5:07pm juliar wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 4:27pm: Where's Tweedledum and Tweedledee the children's comedy troll duo ? Sick of talking to Dumb and Dumber
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #81 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 5:55pm Tweedledee appears from under the floor boards to do a children's troll comedy. Tweedledee is a bit simple.
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #83 - Nov 22^nd, 2018 at 11:25am Now Tweedledum appears from under the floor boards to do a children's troll comedy. Tweedledum is a bit simple.
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Reply #86 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 7:12am

Sounds like a flying bomb - reminds one of a low flying Tesla bomb that crashes into things.

Ever so slightly bent Tesla S doesn't see fire truck

Why are Tesla vehicles crashing into stopped vehicles? What makes it difficult for the sensors to detect vehicles like a fire truck?
Kevin Davidson, Drives an electric car Updated May 24

I drive a Tesla with Autopilot and I have a lot of experience with the car stopping and not stopping. I haven’t had a crash because I abide by the manufacturer’s instructions, including:

Warning: Traffic-Aware Cruise Control can not detect all objects and may not brake/decelerate for stationary vehicles, especially in situations when you are driving over 50 mph (80 km/h) and a vehicle you are following moves out of your driving path and a stationary vehicle or object is in front of you instead. Always pay attention to the road ahead and stay prepared to take immediate corrective action. Depending on Traffic-Aware Cruise Control to avoid a collision can result in serious injury or death. In addition, Traffic-Aware Cruise Control may react to vehicles or objects that either do not exist or are not in the lane of travel, causing Model S to slow down unnecessarily or inappropriately.

The reason that the Tesla Autopilot doesn’t always stop for stationary objects is that it may not be able to distinguish between real stationary objects and ones that only appear to be. The best example is the large metal road sign above the lane. When one approaches such a sign going up a hill it appears visually in front of the car, even though it is actually above the car. Visual quirks and stray RADAR reflections could trigger a sudden slow down and that would result in your car getting rear-ended. The Tesla car will not brake unless it is very sure the object is real. (I got a couple of beep warnings that that I asked Tesla to explain. They checked the logs and said the car had detected a 25% chance of a stationary object.) If the car ahead is moving, the problem is much simpler, and the car in my experience always gets that right.

Also there may not be time to stop if the car is traveling at high speed with a camera that is focused on closer objects. The car doesn’t see that far ahead, and if you’re going fast, the distance closes quickly. You can actually see the vehicles that the car detects on the center display on the instrument cluster.

The first generation Tesla Autopilot is pretty much tied to the MobilEye IQ 3 chipset. The Enhanced Autopilot is actually Tesla’s software and it has more cameras, and a more powerful computer behind it. The IQ 3 chipset references a large database of vehicle images in an attempt to distinguish what is a vehicle in the road and what is not. Oddly configured vehicles (and this conceivably might be some model fire truck) might not be recognized as vehicles.

New Tesla cars have three rather than one forward-looking cameras and a more powerful RADAR. This will allow them to see further down the road.

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Reply #89 - Nov 28^th, 2018 at 5:04am

juliar wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 7:12am:

Sounds like a flying bomb - reminds one of a low flying Tesla bomb that crashes into things.

https://autoweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/gen-932-524/public/tesla-1.jpg
Ever so slightly bent Tesla S doesn't see fire truck

Why are Tesla vehicles crashing into stopped vehicles? What makes it difficult for the sensors to detect vehicles like a fire truck?
Kevin Davidson, Drives an electric car Updated May 24

I drive a Tesla with Autopilot and I have a lot of experience with the car stopping and not stopping. I haven’t had a crash because I abide by the manufacturer’s instructions, including:

Warning: Traffic-Aware Cruise Control can not detect all objects and may not brake/decelerate for stationary vehicles, especially in situations when you are driving over 50 mph (80 km/h) and a vehicle you are following moves out of your driving path and a stationary vehicle or object is in front of you instead. Always pay attention to the road ahead and stay prepared to take immediate corrective action. Depending on Traffic-Aware Cruise Control to avoid a collision can result in serious injury or death. In addition, Traffic-Aware Cruise Control may react to vehicles or objects that either do not exist or are not in the lane of travel, causing Model S to slow down unnecessarily or inappropriately.

The reason that the Tesla Autopilot doesn’t always stop for stationary objects is that it may not be able to distinguish between real stationary objects and ones that only appear to be. The best example is the large metal road sign above the lane. When one approaches such a sign going up a hill it appears visually in front of the car, even though it is actually above the car. Visual quirks and stray RADAR reflections could trigger a sudden slow down and that would result in your car getting rear-ended. The Tesla car will not brake unless it is very sure the object is real. (I got a couple of beep warnings that that I asked Tesla to explain. They checked the logs and said the car had detected a 25% chance of a stationary object.) If the car ahead is moving, the problem is much simpler, and the car in my experience always gets that right.

Also there may not be time to stop if the car is traveling at high speed with a camera that is focused on closer objects. The car doesn’t see that far ahead, and if you’re going fast, the distance closes quickly. You can actually see the vehicles that the car detects on the center display on the instrument cluster.

https://i.postimg.cc/yNmjzq4v/main-qimg-ae912883bd1d8eab05cdf3596ae7d843.png

The first generation Tesla Autopilot is pretty much tied to the MobilEye IQ 3 chipset. The Enhanced Autopilot is actually Tesla’s software and it has more cameras, and a more powerful computer behind it. The IQ 3 chipset references a large database of vehicle images in an attempt to distinguish what is a vehicle in the road and what is not. Oddly configured vehicles (and this conceivably might be some model fire truck) might not be recognized as vehicles.

New Tesla cars have three rather than one forward-looking cameras and a more powerful RADAR. This will allow them to see further down the road.

Excellent post on the way the auto stop works on a Tesla, what r u coming round to seeing how great the Tesla's r Jules...well done Wink

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Reply #90 - Nov 29^th, 2018 at 10:38am

Now the other one Tweedledie appears to compete for the prize of the most uninformed most uneducated most unintelligent most ignorant Troll of the year.

But Tweedledum will be hard to beat as she is the very epitome of a Greenie - dumb, no practical experience, tiny Globally Warmed overheated malfunctioning mind full of bulldust from the Greeny buldust sites.

But ignoring the unwelcome irrelevant trolls and back to the TOPIC.
Now Tesla is beaten in China as the Chows have already copied the Tesla and are now producing their own by the millions.

Tesla S with VERY COMMON front ender as a result of lousy brakes. Wonder if the Chinese copy has good brakes ?

Tesla Vehicle Sales in China Fell 70 Percent in October Due to Tariffs: Report
BY CHRIS TSUINOVEMBER 27, 2018

In response, Tesla is planning to drop the price of the Model S and Model X as well as build a Gigafactory in Shanghai.

Update, 3:26pm: A Tesla spokesperson told The Drive that the claims referring to a 70-percent drop in sales are "wildly inaccurate" and "off by a significant margin." However, the automaker did not disclose regional or monthly sales figures. The original story has been updated accordingly.

Update, 5:55pm: The same spokesperson clarified that the company's plans for a Gigafactory in Shanghai were already made a year ago and not in direct response to tariffs. The original story has been updated accordingly.

In the midst of the ongoing trade war, Tesla sales in China reportedly plunged a whopping 70 percent in October compared to the same month a year ago, reports Reuters. Citing a China Passenger Car Association official, the Silicon Valley electric automaker only sold a total of 211 cars in the populous country during the entire month. Considering China is now the globe's largest car market, that ain't good at all.

Tesla, which currently imports all of its products to China, is blaming its poor Chinese sales on high tariffs imposed as part of President Trump's ongoing trade war with the Asian nation. Back in July, Beijing raised tariffs on cars imported from the U.S. to 40 percent.

The sales slump isn't exclusive to Tesla though as Chinese auto sales, in general, have slowed down significantly since the middle of 2018, marking the country's first annual sales decrease in nearly 30 years.

“This is wildly inaccurate," a Tesla spokesperson told The Drive. "While we do not disclose regional or monthly sales numbers, these figures are off by a significant margin.”

In response, Tesla CEO Elon Musk is planning to build a new Gigafactory in Shanghai—the first facility to be located outside of the U.S.—so the company can sell cars there while bypassing the heavy tariffs imposed on California-built Teslas. Just last month, the company finalized the purchase of a 534-square-mile plot of land where the $2 billion factory will be located.

The Tesla spokesperson later told The Drive that the new Gigafactory was not planned in direct response to the trade war but "actually in the works a year ago, before the tariffs occurred."

Last week, Musk reportedly announced a price cut to the Model S and Model X in China in an effort to compensate for the price hikes brought on by tariffs, says CNBC.

“We are absorbing a significant part of the tariff to help make our cars more affordable for customers in China," Tesla told Reuters.

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Reply #92 - Nov 29^th, 2018 at 11:14am

Tweedledum the Village Idiot has crawled out from under the floor boards to parade her gross ignorance about all things great and small.

The stupid Globally Warmed fool is so dense she doesn't know there have been many large bush fires and droughts and hot days in various parts of Australia for centuries.

The equally stupid and dense Greenies try to stop burning of undergrowth during the winter time.

But even the Aboriginies knew better than these idiotic Greenies and they used to burn off undergrowth during cool times to prevent massive bush fires.

But the sick Extremist Greenies have an ulterior motive. They don't want people living in the bush land which in their opinion is exclusively for superior animals and birds and so they try to get really fierce bush fires to burn down their houses.

The mad as cut snakes Extremist Greenies want to turn VAST areas of Australia into National Parks where ONLY animals and birds are allowed to enter. This is all part of the UN One World Govt AGENDA 2030 rubbish which the Greenies follow.

But the TOPIC is NOT about bush fires it is about the unsafe Tesla piles of junk.

Tesla 3 looks like VERY COMMON suspension breaks and then wheel falls off and then CRRAASSHHH!!!!

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Reply #94 - Nov 29^th, 2018 at 11:22am

Is there no limit to the idiotic stupidity of this abject Globally Warmed fool ?

Tweedledum the Village Idiot has crawled out from under the floor boards to parade her gross ignorance about all things great and small.

The stupid Globally Warmed fool is so dense she doesn't know there have been many large bush fires and droughts and hot days in various parts of Australia for centuries.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #96 - Nov 29^th, 2018 at 11:25am Tweedledum is really trying to beat Tweedledie for the title of the dumbest Village Idiot with more of her abject stupidity. certainly a well qualified Globally Warmed Greeny. The TOPIC is about the unsafe TESLA piles of junk.
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Reply #97 - Nov 29^th, 2018 at 11:28am

juliar wrote on Nov 29^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

Tweedledum is really trying to beat Tweedledie for the title of the dumbest Village Idiot with more of her abject stupidity.

certainly a well qualified Globally Warmed Greeny.

The TOPIC is about the unsafe TESLA piles of junk.

What about unsafe pieces of fossil fool junk socko ? No shortage of them but no comment from dumb and dumber !

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #98 - Nov 29^th, 2018 at 11:44am I think Tweedledum has earned the title of the Village Idiot. Won't Tweedledie be disappointed. If the demented sole could read she would see the TOPIC is about unsafe Teslas conking out - not Greeny brains conking out.
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Reply #101 - Dec 3^rd, 2018 at 10:21am

Tesla unsafe at any speed even stopped!!!!
By: Keef Wivaneff

Sliced Wheels
These wheels have been sliced in half from the inside while the car was still rolling.
When the wheel splits in half tire pressure is lost and the tire plus wheel assembly flies off the car.

Faulty suspension breaks and wheel falls off and then CRRAASSSHHH!!!!!

To see lots of pictures of unsafe now mangled Teslas have a look here - it will make your blood curdle

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Reply #103 - Dec 3^rd, 2018 at 2:27pm

Poor Tweedledum is so out of her depth dealing with normal people with normal functioning brains. She much prefers the impaired Greeny types with barely functioning "minds" full of Greeny mud and gluck.

Now was this unsafe Tesla hungry for a burger ?

Tesla Crashes Into Starbucks in Los Gatos
By NBC Bay Area staff Published May 10, 2018 at 5:12 PM | Updated at 1:13 PM PDT on May 11, 2018

VIDEO: Tesla Crashes Into Starbucks in Los Gatos

No injuries are reported after a Tesla crashed into a Starbucks in Los Gatos Thursday afternoon.

The incident was reported around 4 p.m. after the electronic car smashed through the front doors of the coffee shop at 624 Blossom Hill Road, near Highway 85.

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The driver is cooperating with a police investigation, she says she thought her car was in park and she does not know what happened.

No other information was immediately available.

Tesla smashes into Los Gatos Starbucks at 624 Blossom Hill Road. No injuries to the driver or people inside. (May 10, 2018)
Photo credit: Ian Cull/NBC Bay Area

View from inside a Los Gatos Starbucks after a Tesla drove through front doors clipping the building. (May 10, 2018)
Photo credit: Ian Cull/NBC Bay Area

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Reply #106 - Dec 3^rd, 2018 at 5:33pm

Tweedledum just can't stay away she is so desperate to hear from her HERO, me. What a thrill to be the HERO of a grotty creep like that!!!

Like Tweedledum crashes into an intelligence barrier watch an unsafe Tesla CRASH. What a pile of unsafe junk!!!

https://www.facebook.com/techinsider/videos/516798961851798/

Bumper Falls Off Brand New Tesla Model 3 After 30 Minutes and Some Rain (Updated)
Jason Torchinsky 8/13/18 3:05pm Filed to: TESLA MODEL 3

We’ve written about Tesla’s production and quality control issues, especially with the new Model 3, before, but this would be sort of startling even if we hadn’t: a person bought a Tesla Model 3, and, within the first 30 minutes of driving the car back home, the rear bumper cover falls off. That’s, um, not ideal. Update: A Tesla spokesperson said the company is looking into the matter here, and that this “is not how we build our cars.”

The owner was Rithesh Nair, and here’s the tweet where he let Elon Musk himself know about his new car’s over-exposed car-ass:

It is sort of amazing to stop and consider for a moment that we live in a world where people are complaining about their new car’s problems in a direct line to the company’s CEO.

As to why the bumper fell off, there seems to be a hint in the environmental conditions of this Model 3's inaugural drive: rain. Now, cars are generally pretty good at retaining their body panels in the rain, even bottom-of-the-market cars like the Mitsubishi Mirage, but it seems to be a challenge for this Model 3. And not just this Model 3:

Yep, that’s another Model 3 losing its pants in the rain.

According to the speculation of other tweeters, the issue seems to be related to a bit of cloth-like shielding under the car, which would deflect water and debris around and below the bumper.

If this bit of shielding gets torn or loose, water can be forced into the bumper cover, which would act like a big water catch-basin, eventually being pulled off its mounts from the weight and/or pressure of the water being directed up inside the bumper cover.

While that explanation makes sense and seems plausible, the fact that this is happening at all is pretty incredible. Even just happening twice. Keeping your bumper cover on in pretty much all weather is a very, very solved problem in the automotive industry.

We’ve reached out to Tesla for comment and will update when we hear back.

But, you know. Disrupting.

Update: Here’s the statement we got from a Tesla official:

We’re setting an extremely high bar for Model 3, and what happened in this situation is not how we build our cars. We’re investigating the issue to understand what caused it, and we are contacting our customers to resolve this and ensure they are satisfied.

https://jalopnik.com/bumper-falls-off-brand-new-tesla-model-3-after-30-minut-182...

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Reply #108 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 8:54am

Sounds like Tweedledum's sunburnt by Global Warming brain just fell off like the Telsa back bumper. Definitely qualifies for the title of Supreme Village Idiot and amazingly this bereft drongo adores me as her HERO!!!!

And here is an excellent second hand Tesla S buy. Vehicle in as new condition!!!!

Now here is a real mangle as a Tesla goes to that great junkyard in the sky.

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Reply #110 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:01pm

juliar wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2018 at 5:33pm:

Tweedledum just can't stay away she is so desperate to hear from her HERO, me. What a thrill to be the HERO of a grotty creep like that!!!

Like Tweedledum crashes into an intelligence barrier watch an unsafe Tesla CRASH. What a pile of unsafe junk!!!

https://www.facebook.com/techinsider/videos/516798961851798/

Bumper Falls Off Brand New Tesla Model 3 After 30 Minutes and Some Rain (Updated)
Jason Torchinsky 8/13/18 3:05pm Filed to: TESLA MODEL 3

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--M6p9bFQ5--/c_scale,f_auto,f...

We’ve written about Tesla’s production and quality control issues, especially with the new Model 3, before, but this would be sort of startling even if we hadn’t: a person bought a Tesla Model 3, and, within the first 30 minutes of driving the car back home, the rear bumper cover falls off. That’s, um, not ideal. Update: A Tesla spokesperson said the company is looking into the matter here, and that this “is not how we build our cars.”

The owner was Rithesh Nair, and here’s the tweet where he let Elon Musk himself know about his new car’s over-exposed car-ass:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkW-ZvZU8AAXCmn.jpg

It is sort of amazing to stop and consider for a moment that we live in a world where people are complaining about their new car’s problems in a direct line to the company’s CEO.

As to why the bumper fell off, there seems to be a hint in the environmental conditions of this Model 3's inaugural drive: rain. Now, cars are generally pretty good at retaining their body panels in the rain, even bottom-of-the-market cars like the Mitsubishi Mirage, but it seems to be a challenge for this Model 3. And not just this Model 3:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkXSQuLX4AAGuxI.jpg
Yep, that’s another Model 3 losing its pants in the rain.

According to the speculation of other tweeters, the issue seems to be related to a bit of cloth-like shielding under the car, which would deflect water and debris around and below the bumper.

If this bit of shielding gets torn or loose, water can be forced into the bumper cover, which would act like a big water catch-basin, eventually being pulled off its mounts from the weight and/or pressure of the water being directed up inside the bumper cover.

While that explanation makes sense and seems plausible, the fact that this is happening at all is pretty incredible. Even just happening twice. Keeping your bumper cover on in pretty much all weather is a very, very solved problem in the automotive industry.

We’ve reached out to Tesla for comment and will update when we hear back.

But, you know. Disrupting.

Update: Here’s the statement we got from a Tesla official:

We’re setting an extremely high bar for Model 3, and what happened in this situation is not how we build our cars. We’re investigating the issue to understand what caused it, and we are contacting our customers to resolve this and ensure they are satisfied.

https://jalopnik.com/bumper-falls-off-brand-new-tesla-model-3-after-30-minut-182...

Ok its 4 months later and about 80,000 of these cars have been made since then.... Have anymore fallen off, is it a regular occurrence….. Did the owners ever tweet what the problem was...…. 2 out of over 100,000 cars with a bumper falling off , so Tesla replaced the bumpers for free under warranty ?
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Reply #111 - Dec 5^th, 2018 at 12:05pm

Wow! Both Tweedledum AND Tweedledie have crawled out from under the floor boards to display their gross ignorance of all things great and small.

Totally bereft of anything even remotely intelligent these silly thick as bricks fools just copy the clever posts of their HERO - me.

But then they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. What a thrill to be the HERO of such impaired drongos.

The totally ignorant thick as bricks drongos have no argument against the FACT that TESLA is an UNSAFE pile of junk.

And the TOPIC is about unsafe TESLA piles of junk.

Now stand by for some more childish dribbling gibberish from the childish minds of the impaired trolls.

Then a troll IS a child's mind in an adult body.

Wonder why their minds never developed into adult minds ? Genetic malfunction to a previous more primitive form ? Global Warming causing overheating ? Over exposure to dangerous poisonous carbon dioxide gas ?

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Reply #113 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 12:32pm

Poor Tweedledum is devastated to be criticized by her HERO - me.

These poor cerebrally incapacitated Greeny Type soles are incapable of presenting any sort of useful argument and so they just parrot rubbish they have seen on some trashy Greeny Site which is designed to feed the weak minds of these unabled creatures.

When these sad bodies are shown to be spouting silly nonsense they always angrily respond with profane abuse. To protect their inferior minds from aggravating mortification they should stay well away from normal people.

But then she is suffering from cerebral overheating caused by Global Warming and the dangerous poisonous carbon dioxide gas surrounding her prevents the heat from dissipating.

Paradoxically this dangerous poisonous carbon dioxide gas makes plants grow like crazy. Such is life when you are in the lower deciles of intelligence.

Unsafe Tesla X does what it does best - crash and burn

Unsafe Tesla S crummy suspension breaks and wheel falls off and CRRAAASSSHHH!!!!!

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Reply #114 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 4:15pm

juliar wrote on Dec 7^th, 2018 at 12:32pm:

Poor Tweedledum is devastated to be criticized by her HERO - me.

These poor cerebrally incapacitated Greeny Type soles are incapable of presenting any sort of useful argument and so they just parrot rubbish they have seen on some trashy Greeny Site which is designed to feed the weak minds of these unabled creatures.

When these sad bodies are shown to be spouting silly nonsense they always angrily respond with profane abuse. To protect their inferior minds from aggravating mortification they should stay well away from normal people.

But then she is suffering from cerebral overheating caused by Global Warming and the dangerous poisonous carbon dioxide gas surrounding her prevents the heat from dissipating.

Paradoxically this dangerous poisonous carbon dioxide gas makes plants grow like crazy. Such is life when you are in the lower deciles of intelligence.

https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX134/c689247f-daa2-45ca-ad5f-d719e...
Unsafe Tesla X does what it does best - crash and burn

https://i.postimg.cc/g0cRphVc/26750625732-7d3264508c-o.png
Unsafe Tesla S crummy suspension breaks and wheel falls off and CRRAAASSSHHH!!!!!

socko are you really longweekend reincarnated ?

Your last prediction of Tesla never selling one car was a total flop and now you have to hide behind a sock puppet and take pot shots at the car that people keep buying. Try again longprong.

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Reply #116 - Dec 8^th, 2018 at 10:37pm

juliar wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2018 at 5:33pm:

Tweedledum just can't stay away she is so desperate to hear from her HERO, me. What a thrill to be the HERO of a grotty creep like that!!!

Like Tweedledum crashes into an intelligence barrier watch an unsafe Tesla CRASH. What a pile of unsafe junk!!!

https://www.facebook.com/techinsider/videos/516798961851798/

Bumper Falls Off Brand New Tesla Model 3 After 30 Minutes and Some Rain (Updated)
Jason Torchinsky 8/13/18 3:05pm Filed to: TESLA MODEL 3

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--M6p9bFQ5--/c_scale,f_auto,f...

We’ve written about Tesla’s production and quality control issues, especially with the new Model 3, before, but this would be sort of startling even if we hadn’t: a person bought a Tesla Model 3, and, within the first 30 minutes of driving the car back home, the rear bumper cover falls off. That’s, um, not ideal. Update: A Tesla spokesperson said the company is looking into the matter here, and that this “is not how we build our cars.”

The owner was Rithesh Nair, and here’s the tweet where he let Elon Musk himself know about his new car’s over-exposed car-ass:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkW-ZvZU8AAXCmn.jpg

It is sort of amazing to stop and consider for a moment that we live in a world where people are complaining about their new car’s problems in a direct line to the company’s CEO.

As to why the bumper fell off, there seems to be a hint in the environmental conditions of this Model 3's inaugural drive: rain. Now, cars are generally pretty good at retaining their body panels in the rain, even bottom-of-the-market cars like the Mitsubishi Mirage, but it seems to be a challenge for this Model 3. And not just this Model 3:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkXSQuLX4AAGuxI.jpg
Yep, that’s another Model 3 losing its pants in the rain.

According to the speculation of other tweeters, the issue seems to be related to a bit of cloth-like shielding under the car, which would deflect water and debris around and below the bumper.

If this bit of shielding gets torn or loose, water can be forced into the bumper cover, which would act like a big water catch-basin, eventually being pulled off its mounts from the weight and/or pressure of the water being directed up inside the bumper cover.

While that explanation makes sense and seems plausible, the fact that this is happening at all is pretty incredible. Even just happening twice. Keeping your bumper cover on in pretty much all weather is a very, very solved problem in the automotive industry.

We’ve reached out to Tesla for comment and will update when we hear back.

But, you know. Disrupting.

Update: Here’s the statement we got from a Tesla official:

We’re setting an extremely high bar for Model 3, and what happened in this situation is not how we build our cars. We’re investigating the issue to understand what caused it, and we are contacting our customers to resolve this and ensure they are satisfied.

https://jalopnik.com/bumper-falls-off-brand-new-tesla-model-3-after-30-minut-182...

These Teslas are expensive shitboxes

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Reply #117 - Dec 9^th, 2018 at 5:31am

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 8^th, 2018 at 10:37pm:

juliar wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2018 at 5:33pm:

Tweedledum just can't stay away she is so desperate to hear from her HERO, me. What a thrill to be the HERO of a grotty creep like that!!!

Like Tweedledum crashes into an intelligence barrier watch an unsafe Tesla CRASH. What a pile of unsafe junk!!!

https://www.facebook.com/techinsider/videos/516798961851798/

Bumper Falls Off Brand New Tesla Model 3 After 30 Minutes and Some Rain (Updated)
Jason Torchinsky 8/13/18 3:05pm Filed to: TESLA MODEL 3

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--M6p9bFQ5--/c_scale,f_auto,f...

We’ve written about Tesla’s production and quality control issues, especially with the new Model 3, before, but this would be sort of startling even if we hadn’t: a person bought a Tesla Model 3, and, within the first 30 minutes of driving the car back home, the rear bumper cover falls off. That’s, um, not ideal. Update: A Tesla spokesperson said the company is looking into the matter here, and that this “is not how we build our cars.”

The owner was Rithesh Nair, and here’s the tweet where he let Elon Musk himself know about his new car’s over-exposed car-ass:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkW-ZvZU8AAXCmn.jpg

It is sort of amazing to stop and consider for a moment that we live in a world where people are complaining about their new car’s problems in a direct line to the company’s CEO.

As to why the bumper fell off, there seems to be a hint in the environmental conditions of this Model 3's inaugural drive: rain. Now, cars are generally pretty good at retaining their body panels in the rain, even bottom-of-the-market cars like the Mitsubishi Mirage, but it seems to be a challenge for this Model 3. And not just this Model 3:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkXSQuLX4AAGuxI.jpg
Yep, that’s another Model 3 losing its pants in the rain.

According to the speculation of other tweeters, the issue seems to be related to a bit of cloth-like shielding under the car, which would deflect water and debris around and below the bumper.

If this bit of shielding gets torn or loose, water can be forced into the bumper cover, which would act like a big water catch-basin, eventually being pulled off its mounts from the weight and/or pressure of the water being directed up inside the bumper cover.

While that explanation makes sense and seems plausible, the fact that this is happening at all is pretty incredible. Even just happening twice. Keeping your bumper cover on in pretty much all weather is a very, very solved problem in the automotive industry.

We’ve reached out to Tesla for comment and will update when we hear back.

But, you know. Disrupting.

Update: Here’s the statement we got from a Tesla official:

We’re setting an extremely high bar for Model 3, and what happened in this situation is not how we build our cars. We’re investigating the issue to understand what caused it, and we are contacting our customers to resolve this and ensure they are satisfied.

https://jalopnik.com/bumper-falls-off-brand-new-tesla-model-3-after-30-minut-182...

These Teslas are expensive shitboxes

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Reply #118 - Dec 10^th, 2018 at 11:09am

Tweedledee comes up for air to display her childish idiocy in copying my clever post and adding some stupid sick troll trash.

What a cruddy useless troll waste of space that is not worth feeding. Creeps like this should stay in the extremist section with the other haywire honkies.

Ah but the Baron knows where it is at. Unsafe Tesla is just a pile of junk.

Unsafe Tesla S converted to battering ram

Now feast your eyes on all these unsafe Teslas as mangled and warped and bent as the stupid retarded trolls missing minds.

Tesla the 2 ton battering ram
Why are the junk-yards full of Tesla Model S that have mangled front ends?
How badly did occupants of the car that got rammed get injured?

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Reply #119 - Dec 21^st, 2018 at 12:48pm

Unsafe Tesla lithium fire bomb goes off with a whoosh of flames.

Firefighter battling Tesla Model S blaze: ‘We’re gonna be here all night’
By SHAWN LANGLOIS SOCIAL-MEDIA EDITOR Published: Dec 19, 2018 4:04 p.m. ET

Driver says he’ll never buy another Tesla

It started with a dashboard warning and ended with a burst of flames that ultimately destroyed one Bay Area man’s new Tesla Model S.

The driver, who didn’t give his name, told ABC7 News he was driving on the highway when the sensor alerted him to a rapid drop in tire pressure. He pulled over and had his vehicle, which he’d bought three months prior, towed to the shop.

Just minutes after arriving for the fix, the front end of the car reportedly caught fire, as you can see from this video footage:

Amanda del Castillo · Dec 19, 2018
#NEW Brad Basford shared this video with @abc7newsbayarea. This was the scene along University Ave in Los Gatos, showing the Tesla on fire. This happened earlier this afternoon.

NEW Tesla owner shares this incredible video of his car catching fire. The Saratoga resident says he got the car 3-months ago, it only had 1200-miles. Follow this thread for details on how the situation developed.

Crews on the scene waited six hours for the battery to cool, but even then, after transporting it 10 minutes away, the car reignited late Tuesday night.

Firefighters said they would remain on the scene all night as a precaution.

Here’s footage from later in the evening

Watch the unsafe Tesla lithium fire bomb explode into action here:-

https://twitter.com/AmandaABC7/status/1075196041303973888

As for the owner, he told ABC7 News his family would never own another Tesla.

“If this had been in the house, and we were on vacation, and this thing caught fire in the garage, the whole house could go under,” he said.

Tesla TSLA, -0.14% released this statement in response to the incident: “We are currently investigating the matter and are in touch with local first responders. We are glad to hear that everyone is safe.”

Tesla car fires are nothing new, and this isn’t the first time a Tesla battery has reignited. Earlier this year, for instance, the battery pack of a Model X involved in a fatal accident burst into flames days after catching on fire in the crash.

At the time of that incident, Tesla said its batteries “are designed so that in the rare circumstance a fire occurs, it spreads slowly so that occupants have plenty of time to get out of the car.” The company also said the fire rate of their vehicles is much lower than comparable gas-powered vehicles.

Tesla shares closed Wednesday’s session down 1.2% at $332.98

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Reply #120 - Dec 21^st, 2018 at 5:28pm

juliar wrote on Dec 21^st, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Unsafe Tesla lithium fire bomb goes off with a whoosh of flames.

Firefighter battling Tesla Model S blaze: ‘We’re gonna be here all night’
By SHAWN LANGLOIS SOCIAL-MEDIA EDITOR Published: Dec 19, 2018 4:04 p.m. ET

https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2018/12/19/Photos/ZH/MW-HA653_tesla_201812...
Driver says he’ll never buy another Tesla

It started with a dashboard warning and ended with a burst of flames that ultimately destroyed one Bay Area man’s new Tesla Model S.

The driver, who didn’t give his name, told ABC7 News he was driving on the highway when the sensor alerted him to a rapid drop in tire pressure. He pulled over and had his vehicle, which he’d bought three months prior, towed to the shop.

Just minutes after arriving for the fix, the front end of the car reportedly caught fire, as you can see from this video footage:

Amanda del Castillo · Dec 19, 2018
#NEW Brad Basford shared this video with @abc7newsbayarea. This was the scene along University Ave in Los Gatos, showing the Tesla on fire. This happened earlier this afternoon.

NEW Tesla owner shares this incredible video of his car catching fire. The Saratoga resident says he got the car 3-months ago, it only had 1200-miles. Follow this thread for details on how the situation developed.

Crews on the scene waited six hours for the battery to cool, but even then, after transporting it 10 minutes away, the car reignited late Tuesday night.

Firefighters said they would remain on the scene all night as a precaution.

Here’s footage from later in the evening

Watch the unsafe Tesla lithium fire bomb explode into action here:-

https://twitter.com/AmandaABC7/status/1075196041303973888

As for the owner, he told ABC7 News his family would never own another Tesla.

“If this had been in the house, and we were on vacation, and this thing caught fire in the garage, the whole house could go under,” he said.

Tesla TSLA, -0.14% released this statement in response to the incident: “We are currently investigating the matter and are in touch with local first responders. We are glad to hear that everyone is safe.”

Tesla car fires are nothing new, and this isn’t the first time a Tesla battery has reignited. Earlier this year, for instance, the battery pack of a Model X involved in a fatal accident burst into flames days after catching on fire in the crash.

At the time of that incident, Tesla said its batteries “are designed so that in the rare circumstance a fire occurs, it spreads slowly so that occupants have plenty of time to get out of the car.” The company also said the fire rate of their vehicles is much lower than comparable gas-powered vehicles.

Tesla shares closed Wednesday’s session down 1.2% at $332.98

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/firefighter-battling-tesla-model-s-blaze-were-...

yeah only $332 that's 60 billion worth...... Cheesy

more than BMW and just behind Daimler.... Yeah and when the cause is determined im sure u might actually put that up Jules..... although not one story u have done has then reported what happened 6 months later when it was inverstigated Wink

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Reply #125 - Dec 25^th, 2018 at 4:20pm

Yet another Tesla Lithium Fire Bomb goes up in smoke. If you are ever foolish enough to get into a Tesla Lithium Fire Bomb then DO NOT FORGET THE FIRE EXTINGUISHER!!!!!!

A Tesla Model S reportedly burst into flames twice after getting a flat tire
MARK MATOUSEK DEC 20, 2018, 2:45 AM

The owner of the Model S told a local news outlet that he bought it three months before the incident and had driven it 1,200 miles.
A Tesla Model S caught fire on Tuesday in Los Gatos, California, after getting a flat tire, multiple outlets reported.
Minutes after the Model S was towed to an auto-repair shop, the front end reportedly caught fire.
The vehicle reportedly reignited in the evening.
“We are currently investigating the matter and are in touch with local first responders. We are glad to hear that everyone is safe,” a Tesla representative told Business Insider.

A Tesla Model S caught fire on Tuesday in Los Gatos, California, after getting a flat tire, multiple outlets reported.

The owner was driving on the highway when the vehicle alerted him that one of its tires had experienced a rapid drop in tire pressure, ABC7 News reported. Minutes after the Model S was towed to an auto-repair shop, the front end reportedly caught fire. The vehicle reignited in the evening, the report said.

“We are currently investigating the matter and are in touch with local first responders. We are glad to hear that everyone is safe,” a Tesla representative told Business Insider.

The representative said Tesla vehicles catch fire less often than the average car, citing data from a US government agency and a global nonprofit. The representative added that when a Tesla does catch fire, the fire spreads slower than in a gas-powered car, giving occupants more time to exit the vehicle.

The Santa Clara County Fire Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The Model S owner told ABC7 News that he bought it three months before the incident and had driven it 1,200 miles, adding that he and his family would not own another Tesla vehicle.

“If this had been in the house, and we were on vacation, and this thing caught fire in the garage, the whole house could go under,” he said.

This was the scene along University Ave in Los Gatos, showing the Tesla on fire. This happened earlier this afternoon.
The Saratoga resident says he got the car 3-months ago, it only had 1200-miles.

In June, a Model S suddenly caught fire in Los Angeles. The fire drew attention after the actress Mary McCormack – whose husband, the British director Michael Morris, was driving the vehicle – shared a video of it on Twitter. In the video, fire can be seen beneath the vehicle’s front left tire.

VIDEO: Up she goes

In a preliminary report on its investigation into that incident, the National Transportation Safety Board said it didn’t cause any injuries. The agency did not offer any explanations for why the vehicle may have caught fire.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/tesla-model-s-catches-fire-twice-after-flat-t...

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Reply #127 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 9:40am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2018 at 8:51am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2018 at 5:05pm:

Tesla driver trying to fill up at a servo, these Tesla owners aren't very bright.

Cheesy

saw that id say it is a business car and she had no idea its electric.... my only hope is that its real and not a set up... very funny Grin

Must be an LNP supporter. Looks like juliar Cheesy

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Reply #128 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 9:50am

juliar wrote on Dec 25^th, 2018 at 4:20pm:

Yet another Tesla Lithium Fire Bomb goes up in smoke. If you are ever foolish enough to get into a Tesla Lithium Fire Bomb then DO NOT FORGET THE FIRE EXTINGUISHER!!!!!!

But look what caught on fire in the Chadstone car park last week !! Don't see any Lithium batteries in that one !

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Commander Illman said the owner of the car had reported noticing smoke coming from the vehicle when they turned off the engine.

"They got out of the car quickly, and before they knew it, it was in flames," he said.

In a statement, Victoria Police said the fire was believed to have been caused by a vehicle fault.

Part of the shopping centre was also evacuated because of smoke, police said.

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Reply #129 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 10:58am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 7:24am:

Sounds like the tow truck damaged the battery and it caught on fire....... must of punchered it.... I guess like most of your posts there will be no follow up in the future on what happened... just negative speculation Wink

I see you posted this on Christmas Day..... that’s pretty sad really jules Cry

I don't know how a tow truck could damage battery it's under the floor in a rigid case.

Keep making excuses for these firebombs.

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Lithium-ion battery storage may be banned inside Australian homes

Lithium-ion battery storage devices – including Tesla Powerwalls and other products – may be effectively banned from being installed inside homes and garages in Australia under new guidelines being drafted by Standards Australia.

It is believed Standard Australia will advise lithium-ion battery storage should only be installed in free-standing “kiosks” – or effectively a “bunker” as one source described it – which would likely add thousands of dollars to the cost of installation.

It also raises questions about whether people with electric vehicles, powered by lithium-ion storage, would also be banned from households garages.

Standards Australia is believed to have taken a conservative view of lithium-ion based on recommendations from fire authorities,

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juliar wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 1:30pm:

Baron ignore Tweedledum and Tweedledee they are not quite the full quid. You know they are a bit simple.

A car is usually the second most expensive purchase anyone will make after a house.

A sensible person would do some research and read reviews before spending a large amount of money on a car.

Once upon a time i thought the Tesla was a good thing, after doing some research i wouldn't buy one even if i was filthy rich.
I think the Tesla is an expensive shitbox.

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Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 1:34pm:

juliar wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 1:30pm:

Baron ignore Tweedledum and Tweedledee they are not quite the full quid. You know they are a bit simple.

A car is usually the second most expensive purchase anyone will make after a house.

A sensible person would do some research and read reviews before spending a large amount of money on a car.

Once upon a time i thought the Tesla was a good thing, after doing some research i wouldn't buy one even if i was filthy rich.
I think the Tesla is an expensive shitbox.

As opposed to all of the other inherently unreliable fossil fool shitboxes which will catastrophically fail if you don't spend money on them to maintain them ??

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Reply #134 - Dec 29^th, 2018 at 7:08am

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 10:58am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 7:24am:

Sounds like the tow truck damaged the battery and it caught on fire....... must of punchered it.... I guess like most of your posts there will be no follow up in the future on what happened... just negative speculation Wink

I see you posted this on Christmas Day..... that’s pretty sad really jules Cry

I don't know how a tow truck could damage battery it's under the floor in a rigid case.

Keep making excuses for these firebombs.

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Lithium-ion battery storage may be banned inside Australian homes

Lithium-ion battery storage devices – including Tesla Powerwalls and other products – may be effectively banned from being installed inside homes and garages in Australia under new guidelines being drafted by Standards Australia.

It is believed Standard Australia will advise lithium-ion battery storage should only be installed in free-standing “kiosks” – or effectively a “bunker” as one source described it – which would likely add thousands of dollars to the cost of installation.

It also raises questions about whether people with electric vehicles, powered by lithium-ion storage, would also be banned from households garages.

Standards Australia is believed to have taken a conservative view of lithium-ion based on recommendations from fire authorities,

https://reneweconomy.com.au/lithium-ion-battery-storage-may-be-banned-inside-aus...

Good point I guess we will have to wait and see what happens instead of just guessing Wink

Ohh and for lithium home power, no lithium power packs have ever caught on fire and the standards was released last year and hasn’t banned them...... Wink

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Reply #135 - Dec 29^th, 2018 at 7:14am

RSir lastnail wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 8:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 1:34pm:

juliar wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 1:30pm:

Baron ignore Tweedledum and Tweedledee they are not quite the full quid. You know they are a bit simple.

A car is usually the second most expensive purchase anyone will make after a house.

A sensible person would do some research and read reviews before spending a large amount of money on a car.

Once upon a time i thought the Tesla was a good thing, after doing some research i wouldn't buy one even if i was filthy rich.
I think the Tesla is an expensive shitbox.

As opposed to all of the other inherently unreliable fossil fool shitboxes which will catastrophically fail if you don't spend money on them to maintain them ??

Yes anyone who buys a new car has to rely on research and what other owners say about the car... Tesla has the highest customer support of any car manufacturer and they also have the highest chance of buying another.... having said that there will alway be problems with cars and it would be madness to think every vehical will be perfect.. go on any manufacture forum and u will quickly see the pluses and minuses of any car Wink

You might not like Tesla baron but the owners of these cars love them even volunteer thair time to help sell them, so I guess if u where going to buy one would u listen to someone that doesn’t like them or someone that owns one Wink

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Reply #136 - Dec 30^th, 2018 at 7:29pm

Tweedledum and Tweedledee showing they are both not quite the full quid. They are both definitely a bit simple.
Suffered head injuries ? Exposure to too much high concentration of dangerous poisonous carbon dioxide gas which causes brain inflammation ? Overheating due to Global Warming ?

These bent twigs are now so obsessed with me their HERO who is so far above them in ability and education and intelligence and who is also straight and normal that these poor depleted rejected creatures hang on my every word.

Sort of reminds you of Tweedledum and Tweedledee's muddled minds - not quite all there. Wonder what it would be like to be a bit impaired ? One can certainly see the results.

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Reply #137 - Dec 30^th, 2018 at 9:24pm

But look what caught on fire in the Chadstone car park last week !! Don't see any Lithium batteries in that one !

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Commander Illman said the owner of the car had reported noticing smoke coming from the vehicle when they turned off the engine.

"They got out of the car quickly, and before they knew it, it was in flames," he said.

In a statement, Victoria Police said the fire was believed to have been caused by a vehicle fault.

Part of the shopping centre was also evacuated because of smoke, police said.

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Reply #138 - Dec 31^st, 2018 at 4:48am

Aw Gee! Now Tweedledum crawls out from under the floor boards to display her muddled burnt out definitely NOT the full quid "mind". How does one end up in such a sad sorry state ? Autism after vaxxing ? But she hangs on every word from her HERO me as she is just SO envious and jealous of my superior clear strong devoid of damage mind.

Now a Tesla X as mangled and twisted and bent as Tweedledum's mangled muddied muddled "mind".

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juliar wrote on Dec 31^st, 2018 at 4:48am:

Aw Gee! Now Tweedledum crawls out from under the floor boards to display her muddled burnt out definitely NOT the full quid "mind". How does one end up in such a sad sorry state ? Autism after vaxxing ? But she hangs on every word from her HERO me as she is just SO envious and jealous of my superior clear strong devoid of damage mind.

Now a Tesla X as mangled and twisted and bent as Tweedledum's mangled muddied muddled "mind".

https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Red-Tesla-Model-X-Crash-3-1...

You're certifiable socko. Just another 4 months to go and you along with the rest of your ilk will be scooped up and thrown into your political rubbish bin where you belong.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #142 - Dec 31^st, 2018 at 11:24am Tweedledum is having an autistic fit!!!! She is SO excited to be able to hang on every blessed word from her HERO, me, who she reveres like some sort of sacred being. Tweedledum what medication are you on ? Tesla 3 with very common suspension breaks and wheel falls off.
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Like a bad smell the autistic nitwit Tweedledum just won't go away. Deranged ? The demented functionless fool is flat out reading a MacDonald's menu.

A major safety issue with the unsafe Tesla lithium fire bombs is now public knowledge. The faulty suspension breaks and a wheel falls off often ending up in a great big crash.

‏GET THIS DEATHTRAP OFF THE ROADS. And put TSLA out of its misery.

It has not been in a collision. No air-bags have deployed. The back suspension has fallen to bits causing the wheel to go all whompy. The wheel itself is undamaged but the tire has been worn right down to the canvas because it was rubbing against the wheel well before the suspension finally snapped causing the wheel to burst outwards . These suspensions are ridiculously weak because they are made from sliced extruded Aluminum which has about as much strength as cheese. This could easily have resulted in a fatal crash. Please investigate.

The Tesla suspensions are too weak for the weight of these heavy and powerful cars and because they are made from cast or extruded aluminum they will become even weaker with age and fatigue.
Please launch an urgent investigation into this. Thank you. A very concerned citizen.

And just for dessert a rollover Beethoven Tesla

And nothing like a fried Tesla for later. Fire extinguishers should be standard equipment in a Tesla.

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juliar wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 3:19pm:

Like a bad smell the autistic nitwit Tweedledum just won't go away. Deranged ? The demented functionless fool is flat out reading a MacDonald's menu.

A major safety issue with the unsafe Tesla lithium fire bombs is now public knowledge. The faulty suspension breaks and a wheel falls off often ending up in a great big crash.

‏GET THIS DEATHTRAP OFF THE ROADS. And put TSLA out of its misery.

https://i.postimg.cc/SK0nTHmc/Captureaxle1.png
It has not been in a collision. No air-bags have deployed. The back suspension has fallen to bits causing the wheel to go all whompy. The wheel itself is undamaged but the tire has been worn right down to the canvas because it was rubbing against the wheel well before the suspension finally snapped causing the wheel to burst outwards . These suspensions are ridiculously weak because they are made from sliced extruded Aluminum which has about as much strength as cheese. This could easily have resulted in a fatal crash. Please investigate.

https://i.postimg.cc/Pq4dW7JX/32636681108-0d4006d2bb-o.jpg
The Tesla suspensions are too weak for the weight of these heavy and powerful cars and because they are made from cast or extruded aluminum they will become even weaker with age and fatigue.
Please launch an urgent investigation into this. Thank you. A very concerned citizen.

And just for dessert a rollover Beethoven Tesla

https://i.postimg.cc/pLrSG1sV/tes-Capture.png

And nothing like a fried Tesla for later. Fire extinguishers should be standard equipment in a Tesla.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/cbea88e6c9f28b06ac5ad9a83247...

The Tesla is a shitbox.

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Reply #147 - Jan 1^st, 2019 at 11:20pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 5:10pm:

juliar wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 3:19pm:

Like a bad smell the autistic nitwit Tweedledum just won't go away. Deranged ? The demented functionless fool is flat out reading a MacDonald's menu.

A major safety issue with the unsafe Tesla lithium fire bombs is now public knowledge. The faulty suspension breaks and a wheel falls off often ending up in a great big crash.

‏GET THIS DEATHTRAP OFF THE ROADS. And put TSLA out of its misery.

https://i.postimg.cc/SK0nTHmc/Captureaxle1.png
It has not been in a collision. No air-bags have deployed. The back suspension has fallen to bits causing the wheel to go all whompy. The wheel itself is undamaged but the tire has been worn right down to the canvas because it was rubbing against the wheel well before the suspension finally snapped causing the wheel to burst outwards . These suspensions are ridiculously weak because they are made from sliced extruded Aluminum which has about as much strength as cheese. This could easily have resulted in a fatal crash. Please investigate.

https://i.postimg.cc/Pq4dW7JX/32636681108-0d4006d2bb-o.jpg
The Tesla suspensions are too weak for the weight of these heavy and powerful cars and because they are made from cast or extruded aluminum they will become even weaker with age and fatigue.
Please launch an urgent investigation into this. Thank you. A very concerned citizen.

And just for dessert a rollover Beethoven Tesla

https://i.postimg.cc/pLrSG1sV/tes-Capture.png

And nothing like a fried Tesla for later. Fire extinguishers should be standard equipment in a Tesla.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/cbea88e6c9f28b06ac5ad9a83247...

The Tesla is a shitbox.

No shortage of fossil fool sh.t boxes eh. Jeeps come to mind when it comes to spontaneous combustion Wink

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Reply #148 - Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 7:05am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 5:10pm:

juliar wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 3:19pm:

Like a bad smell the autistic nitwit Tweedledum just won't go away. Deranged ? The demented functionless fool is flat out reading a MacDonald's menu.

A major safety issue with the unsafe Tesla lithium fire bombs is now public knowledge. The faulty suspension breaks and a wheel falls off often ending up in a great big crash.

‏GET THIS DEATHTRAP OFF THE ROADS. And put TSLA out of its misery.

https://i.postimg.cc/SK0nTHmc/Captureaxle1.png
It has not been in a collision. No air-bags have deployed. The back suspension has fallen to bits causing the wheel to go all whompy. The wheel itself is undamaged but the tire has been worn right down to the canvas because it was rubbing against the wheel well before the suspension finally snapped causing the wheel to burst outwards . These suspensions are ridiculously weak because they are made from sliced extruded Aluminum which has about as much strength as cheese. This could easily have resulted in a fatal crash. Please investigate.

https://i.postimg.cc/Pq4dW7JX/32636681108-0d4006d2bb-o.jpg
The Tesla suspensions are too weak for the weight of these heavy and powerful cars and because they are made from cast or extruded aluminum they will become even weaker with age and fatigue.
Please launch an urgent investigation into this. Thank you. A very concerned citizen.

And just for dessert a rollover Beethoven Tesla

https://i.postimg.cc/pLrSG1sV/tes-Capture.png

And nothing like a fried Tesla for later. Fire extinguishers should be standard equipment in a Tesla.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/cbea88e6c9f28b06ac5ad9a83247...

The Tesla is a shitbox.

tat least Holden have stopped making their shitboxs now and we don't have to see any new ones ,only the old crappy ones they used to make in Australia Wink

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Reply #149 - Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 8:15am

Gee Baron has stirred up the autistic twins Tweedledum and Tweedledee who definitely are a bit unbalanced and unhinged and mentally deficient. It is very doubtful if they ever finished school or they wasted their time when they were there.

These rejected dejected demented creatures are having autistic fits as their tiny brains overheat with Global Warming and overexposure to high concentrations of dangerous poisonous carbon dioxide gas which causes brain inflammation.

But ignoring the dregs of society who cannot cope with the human race and back to the topic which is way beyond their meager comprehension.

And another Tesla freshly arrived in the junkyard. Guess what? The back wheel went whompy. Given the relatively small number of Teslas sold compared to mainstream manufacturers the number of these cars in the wreckers yard is astonishing. And so many of them have whompy wheels. Would you please be so kind as to investigate. Thank you. Concerned citizen.

Here is yet another Tesla in the junkyard with a busted suspension. The bolts on the suspension arms have snapped. You have several other reports of these bolts snapping without any good reason. Example: NHTSA ID Number: 11074328 Snip

THE LEFT FRONT FORE LINK BALL JOINT SNAPPED LIKE GLASS DURING NORMAL DRIVING. LUCKILY I WAS GOING AT RELATIVELY LOW SPEED ON A SIDE STREET. THIS ALLOWED THE SUSPENSION TO ALLOW THE WHEEL TO SLAM INTO THE FIREWALL AND IT LOCKED UP CAUSING THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE VEHICLE TO HIT A CURB.

AS AN ENGINEER THIS SCARES THE DAYLIGHTS OUT OF ME, AS IF IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED ON A HIGH SPEED HIGHWAY TURN, THE RESULTS COULD HAVE BEEN DEADLY. EVEN WITHOUT AN UNDERSTANDING OF ADVANCED METALLURGY, IT’S CLEAR THAT A HARDENED STEEL BALL JOINT SHOULD BE STRONGER THEN THE SURROUNDING ALUMINUM ALLOY PARTS ON EITHER SIDE THAT IT ATTACHES TO.

IT LOOKS LIKE A GLASS ROD HIT WITH A HAMMER. THIS SAME THING HAPPENED TO ANOTHER 2014 IN OUR FAMILY ABOUT A YEAR AGO, AND I CHALKED IT UP TO RANDOM FAILURE. BUT NOW 2 FAILURES? I HAVE THE ORIGINAL FAILED PART IF NEEDED FOR ANALYSIS.

THE REPLACEMENT PART I OBTAINED THROUGH TESLA HAS BEEN RE-ENGINEERED, AND APPEARS TO BE FROM A DIFFERENT SUPPLIER. I WENT AHEAD AND REPLACED BOTH SIDES, AND I STILL HAVE THE NON-FAILED PART ON THE LEFT SIDE. I ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT TESLA ABOUT THIS, AND THEY HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO ME. Please take immediate action Thank you. Very concerned citizen.

Here is a Tesla in the junkyard. It has been in a major crash, has bio-hazard stickers and it is near certain that occupants have been killed or injured. Obviously the car is badly damaged and has been in a rollover. Both LH wheels and suspensions have snapped off completely. RH wheels are both whompy. It seems highly probable that detached or whompy wheels were the cause of the crash. Please investigate. Than you. Concerned citizen.

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Reply #153 - Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 10:28am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 8:23am:

Try using this thing called Facts Jules... not just a fluff piece of ppl winging.....
Again if u ever want to have a serious debate let me know Cheesy

First they (longprong) told us for years that nobody would by an electric car like a Tesla because they couldn't drive it from Melbourne to Sydney. And now that people are buying them in droves they have to resort to showing us pictures of car accidents. Now they wonder why the LNP got wiped out in the Victorian election and will most likely get wiped out again in a few months time in the Fed election. These LNP dudes just don't want to do anything different and just want to bury their head in the sand and hold on to the past. Really quit pathetic and this juliar f.ckwitt is a classic example of that Sad

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Reply #154 - Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 11:09am

Wow the autistic halfwits Tweedledum and Tweedledee come rushing out from under the floor boards to hang around like a bad smell.

Their pathetic attempts at presenting arguments remind one of a 9 year old but then a troll Is a child's mind in an adult body.

But ignoring these rejects of society and back to the TOPIC which is far too difficult for the trolls' malformed minds to ever comprehend.

This Tesla S is as twisted and bent as the trolls' disturbed minds.

This Tesla X is kind of spread out a bit.

Gee these Tesla 3s with the lousy brakes are good at front end smashes.

When will these unsafe dangerous unroadworthy hazards be BANNED from the road ?

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Reply #155 - Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 12:39pm

juliar wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 11:09am:

Wow the autistic halfwits Tweedledum and Tweedledee come rushing out from under the floor boards to hang around like a bad smell.

Their pathetic attempts at presenting arguments remind one of a 9 year old but then a troll Is a child's mind in an adult body.

But ignoring these rejects of society and back to the TOPIC which is far too difficult for the trolls' malformed minds to ever comprehend.

https://i.postimg.cc/43scxVcq/resizer.jpg
This Tesla S is as twisted and bent as the trolls' disturbed minds.

https://i.postimg.cc/kgcFrqYx/resizer-1.jpg
This Tesla X is kind of spread out a bit.

https://i.postimg.cc/9fsDKk2d/resizer-2.jpg
Gee these Tesla 3s with the lousy brakes are good at front end smashes.

When will these unsafe dangerous unroadworthy hazards be BANNED from the road ?

every one of those pics had other wreaked cars as well, should they all be banned from the roads 2 ?
Isnt it the drivers that crash cars ? Cheesy

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Reply #156 - Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 1:00pm

Half of the autistic halfwits Tweedledee only appears as a bad smell this time. These moribund rejects from Society are obsessed with me and hang on my every clever word as they see me as their HERO because I am just so superior to their measly demented minds.

I see these poor inferior creatures as just a waste of space that is not worth feeding.

And now what sends the impaired weirdohs into a state of autistic delirium - to see the reality that their dreem machine is just an unsafe pile of junk that is a hazard to other road users.

You would have to have a death wish to get into one of these death machines and wait for a wheel to fall off and then CCCRRASSHHH!!!!

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Reply #157 - Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 1:17pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 12:39pm:

juliar wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 11:09am:

Wow the autistic halfwits Tweedledum and Tweedledee come rushing out from under the floor boards to hang around like a bad smell.

Their pathetic attempts at presenting arguments remind one of a 9 year old but then a troll Is a child's mind in an adult body.

But ignoring these rejects of society and back to the TOPIC which is far too difficult for the trolls' malformed minds to ever comprehend.

https://i.postimg.cc/43scxVcq/resizer.jpg
This Tesla S is as twisted and bent as the trolls' disturbed minds.

https://i.postimg.cc/kgcFrqYx/resizer-1.jpg
This Tesla X is kind of spread out a bit.

https://i.postimg.cc/9fsDKk2d/resizer-2.jpg
Gee these Tesla 3s with the lousy brakes are good at front end smashes.

When will these unsafe dangerous unroadworthy hazards be BANNED from the road ?

every one of those pics had other wreaked cars as well, should they all be banned from the roads 2 ?
Isnt it the drivers that crash cars ? Cheesy

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Reply #158 - Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 6:04pm

The autistic dimwit Tweedledum crawls out to display her gross ignorance of all things great and small. Her child's mind in an adult body so typical of a nauseating troll is incapable of matching the superior adult brain of a capable educated normal straight poster.

But she adores me as her HERO.

Here is a Tesla S in the junkyard. The suspension has collapsed on all 4 wheels. It looks as though this caused the car to come to a sudden stop and that another vehicle then collided with the back of the Tesla.

The damage caused by that impact looks relatively minor and could not be the cause of the back wheel going whompy.

The tread is badly worn away on the inside edge. It looks as though the wheel has been rubbing up against the wheel well until it finally wrenched loose and caused a failure to proceed.

This car is less than 1 year old. The rate of crashes in Tesla cars is astonishingly high. Please go and inspect some of the wrecks such as this one to determine if mechanical failure caused the crash. Thank you. Concerned citizen.

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Reply #161 - Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 5:04pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 8:45am:

Baron and Jules should love these pics of a torana in their most common state

Not their most common state try again dopey.

I paid just under $10K for my SS Torana it's insured for $120K, it's worth 10x more now than when I bought it.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/holden/torana/?sortby=Price&offset=0&setype=sor...

Nobody will be restoring the tesla shitboxes in 40 years time, they decrease in value owning a tesla would be like pissing money up against the wall.

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Reply #162 - Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 7:36pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 5:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 8:45am:

Baron and Jules should love these pics of a torana in their most common state

Not their most common state try again dopey.

I paid just under $10K for my SS Torana it's insured for $120K, it's worth 10x more now than when I bought it.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/holden/torana/?sortby=Price&offset=0&setype=sor...

Nobody will be restoring the tesla shitboxes in 40 years time, they decrease in value owning a tesla would be like pissing money up against the wall.

just another Piece of crap , doing what it does best

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Reply #163 - Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 8:16pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 5:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 8:45am:

Baron and Jules should love these pics of a torana in their most common state

Not their most common state try again dopey.

I paid just under $10K for my SS Torana it's insured for $120K, it's worth 10x more now than when I bought it.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/holden/torana/?sortby=Price&offset=0&setype=sor...

Nobody will be restoring the tesla shitboxes in 40 years time, they decrease in value owning a tesla would be like pissing money up against the wall.

do you have to put the lead supplement tablets in the fool tank when you fill up with ULP ? Cheesy

LOL

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Reply #165 - Jan 4^th, 2019 at 5:17am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 8:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 5:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 8:45am:

Baron and Jules should love these pics of a torana in their most common state

Not their most common state try again dopey.

I paid just under $10K for my SS Torana it's insured for $120K, it's worth 10x more now than when I bought it.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/holden/torana/?sortby=Price&offset=0&setype=sor...

Nobody will be restoring the tesla shitboxes in 40 years time, they decrease in value owning a tesla would be like pissing money up against the wall.

do you have to put the lead supplement tablets in the fool tank when you fill up with ULP ? Cheesy

LOL

yeah good for him, he won the old car lottery... he got a limited release very rare vehicle and now its worth money.... I wonder if he got a stock base one how much it would be worth or maybe a camira Wink

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Reply #166 - Jan 4^th, 2019 at 10:08am

Baron shoves the boring autistic twin dimwits Tweedledum and Tweedledee back into their smelly burrow.

These demented Greeny fools have NO argument that Tesla is an unsafe pile of junk that is a dangerous hazard to other road users especially when a wheel falls off and it crashes into another vehicle.

So these weak minded rejects ignore the TOPIC which they don't understand and try to waffle on about totally irrelevant rubbish.

Their use of the "argument" style universally used by Gay Greenies where they are AUTOMATICALLY RIGHT and anyone who disagrees is AUTOMATICALLY WRONG just makes decent posters reject them as being sick in the head.

But ignoring the sick Greeny trash and back to the TOPIC.

What happens in a Tesla 3 when the suspension breaks and a wheel falls off and CCRRASSHHH!!!!!

Unsafe Tesla piles of junk are a dangerous safety hazard to other drivers.

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Reply #167 - Jan 4^th, 2019 at 12:49pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 5:17am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 8:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 5:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 8:45am:

Baron and Jules should love these pics of a torana in their most common state

Not their most common state try again dopey.

I paid just under $10K for my SS Torana it's insured for $120K, it's worth 10x more now than when I bought it.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/holden/torana/?sortby=Price&offset=0&setype=sor...

Nobody will be restoring the tesla shitboxes in 40 years time, they decrease in value owning a tesla would be like pissing money up against the wall.

do you have to put the lead supplement tablets in the fool tank when you fill up with ULP ? Cheesy

LOL

yeah good for him, he won the old car lottery... he got a limited release very rare vehicle and now its worth money.... I wonder if he got a stock base one how much it would be worth or maybe a camira Wink

Don't need lead supplements in case the idiots didn't realise Holden made V8 engins which run on ULP.

The SS isn't rare the L34 SLR 5000 and A9X were the rare Toranas you would need over $300K for one of them despite the fact they were around $10K brand new.

The base model Toranas are raking it in even rusty old ones are getting good money from people who want to restore them.

Nobody will be restoring the Tesla shitboxes in 40 years from now.

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Reply #169 - Jan 4^th, 2019 at 1:30pm

juliar wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 1:00pm:

Baron as you would know all that is required is to fit hard valve seats and unleaded runs OK. Hi octane juice is preferable to match the high compression as retarding the timing reduces the power.

When Holden brought out the fuel injected VN V8 it had 35% more power, 19% more torque and 17% better economy running on standard unleaded.

All the VN V8 onwards engine parts can be fitted to older red 253/308 V8 engines so you can keep matching numbers with engine block.

A great upgrade using genuine holden parts.

The Toranas were proven on the racetrack here they won Bathurst many times without needing to change brake pads.

A German guy came here bought a Torana took it back to Germany to run it at the same track where a Mini flogged the Tesla.

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Reply #171 - Jan 4^th, 2019 at 3:05pm

juliar wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 10:08am:

Baron shoves the boring autistic twin dimwits Tweedledum and Tweedledee back into their smelly burrow.

These demented Greeny fools have NO argument that Tesla is an unsafe pile of junk that is a dangerous hazard to other road users especially when a wheel falls off and it crashes into another vehicle.

So these weak minded rejects ignore the TOPIC which they don't understand and try to waffle on about totally irrelevant rubbish.

Their use of the "argument" style universally used by Gay Greenies where they are AUTOMATICALLY RIGHT and anyone who disagrees is AUTOMATICALLY WRONG just makes decent posters reject them as being sick in the head.

But ignoring the sick Greeny trash and back to the TOPIC.

https://i.postimg.cc/kGTtpj1C/resizer-4.jpg
What happens in a Tesla 3 when the suspension breaks and a wheel falls off and CCRRASSHHH!!!!!

Unsafe Tesla piles of junk are a dangerous safety hazard to other drivers.

What about Lithium Titanate batteries socko ?

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Reply #172 - Jan 4^th, 2019 at 3:10pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 12:49pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 5:17am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 8:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 5:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 8:45am:

Baron and Jules should love these pics of a torana in their most common state

Not their most common state try again dopey.

I paid just under $10K for my SS Torana it's insured for $120K, it's worth 10x more now than when I bought it.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/holden/torana/?sortby=Price&offset=0&setype=sor...

Nobody will be restoring the tesla shitboxes in 40 years time, they decrease in value owning a tesla would be like pissing money up against the wall.

do you have to put the lead supplement tablets in the fool tank when you fill up with ULP ? Cheesy

LOL

yeah good for him, he won the old car lottery... he got a limited release very rare vehicle and now its worth money.... I wonder if he got a stock base one how much it would be worth or maybe a camira Wink

Don't need lead supplements in case the idiots didn't realise Holden made V8 engins which run on ULP.

The SS isn't rare the L34 SLR 5000 and A9X were the rare Toranas you would need over $300K for one of them despite the fact they were around $10K brand new.

The base model Toranas are raking it in even rusty old ones are getting good money from people who want to restore them.

Nobody will be restoring the Tesla shitboxes in 40 years from now.

Is that like the 4-cylinder mis-fire engine they made by cutting off 2 cylinders from the 6 cylinder clunker and then added all of this anti-pollution junk to it ? I should know my old man had a Toyota with same engine in it. Tubes and pipes going everywhere Cheesy

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Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 12:49pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 5:17am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 8:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 5:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 8:45am:

Baron and Jules should love these pics of a torana in their most common state

Not their most common state try again dopey.

I paid just under $10K for my SS Torana it's insured for $120K, it's worth 10x more now than when I bought it.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/holden/torana/?sortby=Price&offset=0&setype=sor...

Nobody will be restoring the tesla shitboxes in 40 years time, they decrease in value owning a tesla would be like pissing money up against the wall.

do you have to put the lead supplement tablets in the fool tank when you fill up with ULP ? Cheesy

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yeah good for him, he won the old car lottery... he got a limited release very rare vehicle and now its worth money.... I wonder if he got a stock base one how much it would be worth or maybe a camira Wink

Don't need lead supplements in case the idiots didn't realise Holden made V8 engins which run on ULP.

The SS isn't rare the L34 SLR 5000 and A9X were the rare Toranas you would need over $300K for one of them despite the fact they were around $10K brand new.

The base model Toranas are raking it in even rusty old ones are getting good money from people who want to restore them.

Nobody will be restoring the Tesla shitboxes in 40 years from now.

all Torana's r rare they made a grand total of 136k of LH and LX toranas over 4 years (Tesla has sold 160k of the Model 3 this year and every one will take 4 seconds off the quarter mile to even the fastest Torana ) so less than 40k a year and that includes all the 4 and 6 cylinder ones as well. I didn't include the UC as they didn't come with a V8
so how many SS torana's where made .. maybe a 1000 or is that to high a number... what is considered rare ? (now we r getting into opinion )
so holden made v8 for torana's that could use unleaded or r u saying u can replace the engine from a later holden and make the car a unstock item ?

wow baron can see into the future..... so u think the original Tesla which was the very first well made electric car ever made and only 2400 where made will be worth nothing in 40 years...….ummmm u know its not just a river in Egypt

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Reply #176 - Jan 4^th, 2019 at 4:41pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 4:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 12:49pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 5:17am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 8:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 5:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 8:45am:

Baron and Jules should love these pics of a torana in their most common state

Not their most common state try again dopey.

I paid just under $10K for my SS Torana it's insured for $120K, it's worth 10x more now than when I bought it.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/holden/torana/?sortby=Price&offset=0&setype=sor...

Nobody will be restoring the tesla shitboxes in 40 years time, they decrease in value owning a tesla would be like pissing money up against the wall.

do you have to put the lead supplement tablets in the fool tank when you fill up with ULP ? Cheesy

LOL

yeah good for him, he won the old car lottery... he got a limited release very rare vehicle and now its worth money.... I wonder if he got a stock base one how much it would be worth or maybe a camira Wink

Don't need lead supplements in case the idiots didn't realise Holden made V8 engins which run on ULP.

The SS isn't rare the L34 SLR 5000 and A9X were the rare Toranas you would need over $300K for one of them despite the fact they were around $10K brand new.

The base model Toranas are raking it in even rusty old ones are getting good money from people who want to restore them.

Nobody will be restoring the Tesla shitboxes in 40 years from now.

wow baron can see into the future..... so u think the original Tesla which was the very first well made electric car ever made and only 2400 where made will be worth nothing in 40 years...….ummmm u know its not just a river in Egypt

The chinese didn't land on the moon recently because they were stuck in the past !! They are moving ahead gearing up to build EV's on a large scale whilst the LNP boneheads want to keep everything and everyone locked to the past Sad

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Reply #179 - Jan 5^th, 2019 at 12:19pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 4:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 12:49pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 5:17am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 8:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 5:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 8:45am:

Baron and Jules should love these pics of a torana in their most common state

Not their most common state try again dopey.

I paid just under $10K for my SS Torana it's insured for $120K, it's worth 10x more now than when I bought it.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/holden/torana/?sortby=Price&offset=0&setype=sor...

Nobody will be restoring the tesla shitboxes in 40 years time, they decrease in value owning a tesla would be like pissing money up against the wall.

do you have to put the lead supplement tablets in the fool tank when you fill up with ULP ? Cheesy

LOL

yeah good for him, he won the old car lottery... he got a limited release very rare vehicle and now its worth money.... I wonder if he got a stock base one how much it would be worth or maybe a camira Wink

Don't need lead supplements in case the idiots didn't realise Holden made V8 engins which run on ULP.

The SS isn't rare the L34 SLR 5000 and A9X were the rare Toranas you would need over $300K for one of them despite the fact they were around $10K brand new.

The base model Toranas are raking it in even rusty old ones are getting good money from people who want to restore them.

Nobody will be restoring the Tesla shitboxes in 40 years from now.

all Torana's r rare they made a grand total of 136k of LH and LX toranas over 4 years (Tesla has sold 160k of the Model 3 this year and every one will take 4 seconds off the quarter mile to even the fastest Torana ) so less than 40k a year and that includes all the 4 and 6 cylinder ones as well. I didn't include the UC as they didn't come with a V8
so how many SS torana's where made .. maybe a 1000 or is that to high a number... what is considered rare ? (now we r getting into opinion )
so holden made v8 for torana's that could use unleaded or r u saying u can replace the engine from a later holden and make the car a unstock item ?

wow baron can see into the future..... so u think the original Tesla which was the very first well made electric car ever made and only 2400 where made will be worth nothing in 40 years...….ummmm u know its not just a river in Egypt

My Torana is over 1 second quicker than a Model 3 Tesla down the quarter mile.
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A Tesla Model 3 recently broke the quarter-mile record for the electric car two times in a row. During its first run, the Model 3 was able to finish the quarter-mile in 13.338 seconds, setting a new record for the vehicle. During the electric car’s second run, the Model 3 performed even better, hitting the quarter-mile mark .008 seconds quicker, setting a record for the second time.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-quarter-mile-record-dragstrip/

Many people use the later heads from VN onwards because they're more efficient with better flow which means more power for less fuel, the heads and fuel injection bolt straight on to older 253/308 just need to change camshaft and exhaust it can be done in an afternoon. The older heads can handle unleaded for a couple of hundred thousand KM then just put hardened valve seats in the old heads run the valves in the cast Iron.

The fastest production car down the quarter mile is a Dodge Challenger SRT Demon at 9.65 seconds the best Tesla is not in the top 10.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_cars_by_acceleration

I could get my Torana into the 7 second bracket for quarter mile for a 1/10 of the cost of the quickest tesla.

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Reply #180 - Jan 5^th, 2019 at 12:26pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 9:39pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 4:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 1:32pm:

Torana in Germany

ohh yes and totally stock Grin

It should be in a museum and a Tesla would leave it for dead Cheesy

LOL

Torana gives a Porsche 911 a 30 second head start on a twisty road caught and passed it around the 6 minute mark.

That German was impressed with Toranas when he visited here so he bought one to take back.

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Reply #181 - Jan 5^th, 2019 at 4:26pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2019 at 12:26pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 9:39pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 4:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 1:32pm:

Torana in Germany

ohh yes and totally stock Grin

It should be in a museum and a Tesla would leave it for dead Cheesy

LOL

Torana gives a Porsche 911 a 30 second head start on a twisty road caught and passed it around the 6 minute mark.

That German was impressed with Toranas when he visited here so he bought one to take back.

Didn't Peter Brock kill himself doing something stupid like this ?

And Holden is out of business manufacturing here. What does that say about the success of their cars ?? As soon as the taxpayer handouts ran out so did Detroit Sad

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Reply #182 - Jan 6^th, 2019 at 5:53am

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juliar wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 1:00pm:

Baron as you would know all that is required is to fit hard valve seats and unleaded runs OK. Hi octane juice is preferable to match the high compression as retarding the timing reduces the power.

When Holden brought out the fuel injected VN V8 it had 35% more power, 19% more torque and 17% better economy running on standard unleaded.

All the VN V8 onwards engine parts can be fitted to older red 253/308 V8 engines so you can keep matching numbers with engine block.

A great upgrade using genuine holden parts.

The Toranas were proven on the racetrack here they won Bathurst many times without needing to change brake pads.

A German guy came here bought a Torana took it back to Germany to run it at the same track where a Mini flogged the Tesla.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqpLo492XyMi

so your trying to say that the Torana that won Bathurst was using stock brake pads , the brake pads put in a everyday car ? Cheesy

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Reply #183 - Jan 6^th, 2019 at 7:03am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2019 at 12:19pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 4:25pm:

[quote author=Baronvonrort link=1540524806/167#167 date=1546570169][quote author=DonDeeHippy link=1540524806/165#165 date=1546543033][quote author=thelastnail link=1540524806/163#163 date=1546510618][quote author=Baronvonrort link=1540524806/161#161 date=1546499095][quote author=DonDeeHippy link=1540524806/151#151 date=1546382755]Baron and Jules should love these pics of a torana in their most common state

Many people use the later heads from VN onwards because they're more efficient with better flow which means more power for less fuel, the heads and fuel injection bolt straight on to older 253/308 just need to change camshaft and exhaust it can be done in an afternoon. The older heads can handle unleaded for a couple of hundred thousand KM then just put hardened valve seats in the old heads run the valves in the cast Iron.

The fastest production car down the quarter mile is a Dodge Challenger SRT Demon at 9.65 seconds the best Tesla is not in the top 10.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_cars_by_acceleration

I could get my Torana into the 7 second bracket for quarter mile for a 1/10 of the cost of the quickest tesla.

Aug 10, 2018
The Model 3 Performance finished the quarter mile in 11.79 seconds at a speed of 115.18 mph in the first roundThe Model 3 Performance finished the quarter mile in 11.79 seconds at a speed of 115.18 mph in the first round. (that's 2 mph less than the SS Torana's top speed)

Now your torana STOCK......
SL/R 5000 4 speed manual:
1st: 48 mph (77 km/h)
2nd: 67 mph (108 km/h)
3rd: 88 mph (142 km/h)
4th: 122 mph (196 km/h)
0-100 km/h: 7.5 seconds
Standing Quarter Mile (400 metres): 15.5 seconds

[/highlight]Compression Ratio: 9.8:1

now the stock motor that came with the SS Baron 80kw less than the sl/r as they had to use the c31

5.0 litre V8 came as standard with the SS.
179kW (308)
SS 5000 Hatchback 4 speed manual:
1st: 53 mph (85 km/h)
2nd: 73 mph (117 km/h)
3rd: 97 mph (156 km/h)
4th: 117 mph (188 km/h)
0-100 km/h: 7.8 seconds
Standing Quarter Mile (400 metres): 15.6 seconds
https://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_torana_LX_technical_specifications

now if the standard SS did 15.6 seconds stock and your's can do 11 seconds , we r talking about a highly modified car there Baron and not really a comparison to a stock Torana.

SO I remake my claim that the Tesla 3 is about 3 seconds faster than the fastest stock torana ever built (the SL/R at 15.5 seconds )

So how can u make a Stock Torana go 7 secs on the quarter Mile for $20,000 dollars when all the stock ones, now cost so much.......

If u can make a sub7, $20,000 drag car from scratch then u really should go into business because u would get lots of customers....
https://www.whichcar.com.au/features/gallery-2275hp-pro-street-torana
here is a torana barely street legal torana doing 7s on the quarter.........
That aero work is definitely going to get tested to the limit thanks to 12.5 litres of Brodix big-block rising menacingly out of the engine bay. The 763-cube motor makes 2275hp in total
5 years to build and u can do the same for $20,000 ,as the saying goes Baron your dreaming......

Even to get a stock 70's v8 car of any description to get down to 12 secs would cost more than $20,000 dollars....

Now its very nice u have a heavily modified nice old car, the reality is that stock they just cant compete with cars that r now 40 years older and 2 try comparing them is silly...… Almost every car u buy now will outdrag a standard SS . (7.8 sec for 0-100kms) The new imported Commodore VXR can do 6.9 secs with just a v6. The slowest Tesla is 5.2 secs.(fastest is 2.2 secs

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To belittle a car that can do 12-13 second quarter miles completely stock just seams weird Baron..
I understand u don't like Tesla's but the fact is on the Drag strip they r scary fast

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Reply #184 - Jan 6^th, 2019 at 10:53am

This is all academic of course because Holden went out of business making cars and the ones they are importing couldn't even get into the starting gate Cheesy

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And the reason they don't like Tesla because it threatens their livelihood of making money out of repairing and servicing unreliable junk. For years they have been robbing people and now it is all about to disappear. But then the jobsungroth LNP should be able to find them another job from the millions of jobs they have created Wink

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Reply #185 - Jan 6^th, 2019 at 11:11am

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This is all academic of course because Holden went out of business making cars and the ones they are importing couldn't even get into the starting gate Cheesy

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And the reason they don't like Tesla because it threatens their livelihood of making money out of repairing and servicing unreliable junk. For years they have been robbing people and now it is all about to disappear. But then the jobsungroth LNP should be able to find them another job from the millions of jobs they have created Wink

ohh don't worry Nail the big auto manufacturers will put their heads together and work out ways to keep servicing high, so they can stay in business Wink

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Reply #186 - Jan 6^th, 2019 at 11:26am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Nov 4^th, 2018 at 7:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 11:36pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 11:13pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 10:12pm:

Tesla have a 12v lead acid battery, when this battery dies you're stuffed.

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While I was in that painful stage of waiting for delivery of my Model S and reading everything I could on the forums one of the issues I ran across was a rash of 12V battery failures on the Model S that Elon even commented on in an earnings call.
The reports said that Tesla had chosen a poor vendor initially and the early Model S’s were plagued with this problem but that the problem had been resolved and was no longer an issue.

Wrong – my Model S indicated a problem after only 7 months of use (18,000 miles) and several others have reported the same.

The 12V battery maintains power for critical systems when the main battery is damaged or disabled. It powers hazard lights, airbags, door lock/unlock operation, etc. The 12V battery is also keeping electronics alive to listen to the key FOB lock/unlock and the 3G connection for remote access when the rest of the car is off. Another interesting tidbit is that if the 12v dies it will isolate the main battery pack preventing charging which is part of the Model S safety features and helps protect first responders.

Some owners are on their 3rd 12V battery already. Many others are reporting failures at the 1 year mark or even short of that like me. In ICE cars you can normally expect about 4 years of life out of your 12V battery. While it could just be “different” with the Model S where it may require a new battery every year, we’re seeing failures short of the 12 month mark which causes inconveniences to owners.

Tesla should be more upfront about these issues and let owners know what they’re doing to address the underlying problem.

I’ve started a poll over on TMC to see what kind of failure rate we’re seeing for the people that answer if you’re interested in monitoring this issue more. So far over 75% of respondents have had their 12V battery replaced. Keep in mind those most owners have had their Model S’s for less than 2 years…

http://teslaliving.net/2014/12/12/12v-battery-issues-in-the-model-s/

The Tesla is an expensive lemon.

More of the same problem here- https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=KfbaW9G3LZDcrQGu7YCADw&q=tesla+mod...

Ok love stories that r 4 years old...
So Tesla first changed the manufacturer of thair battery... then they made it that the 12 volt gets changed every year last few years they added battery. Testers so now they can accurately give owners a 2 week notice if the battery will die........ ohh and it’s not a $40,000 battery it’s a 12 volt $100 battery we r talking about here...... so if your going to give really old articles please do more research and see if Tesla have fixed the problem....

If u look at owner forum they are on same battery that’s 4 years old and counting..... again if the worse u find about Tesla is a $100 flat battery from 4 years ago that been fixed please look harder.... Wink

The first post in the google link is tesla forum 2018 and tesla still haven't fixed this 12v battery problem.

Ohh u mean the 1 car in April that stopped, he rang Tesla they organized a taxi to get him where he wanted, then they picked up his car and found the 12 volt battery charger failed and they replaced it.... that one......... yes no one should buy a tesla with service like that... I mean if all car manufactures gave ppl a taxi so they wouldn’t be late for work then picked up their car and fixed it then delivered it home, the world would be in kaos Wink

o Baron Tesla sold 150,000 models 3's this year and is the best selling American company car sold there..... How many have conked out......U named 3 from 6 months ago, now there so many if your right they should be failing everywhere and the forum full of unsatisfied owners.....
I notice u haven't chased up this story to find out how many more r affected...….

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Reply #187 - Jan 6^th, 2019 at 3:49pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 6^th, 2019 at 11:11am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 6^th, 2019 at 10:53am:

This is all academic of course because Holden went out of business making cars and the ones they are importing couldn't even get into the starting gate Cheesy

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And the reason they don't like Tesla because it threatens their livelihood of making money out of repairing and servicing unreliable junk. For years they have been robbing people and now it is all about to disappear. But then the jobsungroth LNP should be able to find them another job from the millions of jobs they have created Wink

ohh don't worry Nail the big auto manufacturers will put their heads together and work out ways to keep servicing high, so they can stay in business Wink

Stop-start technology Cheesy

LOL What a crock of shite !! And toyota refuses to up the battery capacity on its hybrids and put a power cord on them because it keeps wanting to ripoff the punters on oil changes and all of the other junk that wears out. Old habits die hard for the fossil fool protagonists Sad

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Reply #188 - Jan 7^th, 2019 at 2:09pm

The raving idiots Tweedledum and Tweedledee are just as retarded and ignorant as always. Missing brains overheated by Global Warming.

If these imbeciles could read they would know this TOPIC is about the unsafe Tesla piles of junk that are a dangerous hazard to other drivers.

But these nincompoops know they have been argued into the garbage tin as their weak minds just cannot compete and they are sore losers and just cannot accept defeat like a decent responsible person would.

The North Coast is full of these rejects from the human race.

Now back to the actual TOPIC which the Globally Warmed sore losers have been totally squashed and humiliated with.

New wide track Tesla ?

The RH back wheel has gone whompy. The tread on that tire is completely worn down to the canvas. The car must have been driven for several miles with the tread rubbing against the bodywork until eventually the suspension broke off completely. This exact same failure has been reported many times. A high quality photograph of an incident that occurred in China is also attached for purpose of comparison. The same result, driver is unaware of the problem until the wheel finally snaps off. This is a design/manufacturing failure. Please investigate.

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Reply #189 - Jan 7^th, 2019 at 4:32pm

This is what happened to my husband and his car today. No accident,out of the blue, in traffic on Santa Monica Blvd. Thank you to the kind couple who flagged him down and told him to pull over. And thank god my three little girls weren’t in the car with him.

Video of unsafe Tesla pile of junk going up in smoke

No surprise these death chariots are SO unpopular here in Australia.

How many people need to die in these cars before it starts to matter?!?

You know how few Tesla’s are on the road compared to normal cars?

Here a list of deaths so far. Compared to any car in its class it’s way way higher. These things are beautiful killing machines especially when the suspension breaks and a wheel falls off!!!!!

The ultimate nightmare for the Tesla death defier
It does not appear to have been in a collision, air-bags have not deployed and there is very little damage to any of the body panels. The suspension has collapsed. The front RH suspension has totally fallen apart. The top ball joint has popped apart. This ball joint is much too flimsy for a car of this weight and performance. This car is less than a year old so the failure can not be blamed on poor maintenance or excessive mileage. Please investigate the reason why so many low mileage near new Teslas are having suspension failures.

The fright factor for all those Tesla death defiers with range anxiety
Here is a Tesla in the junkyard. The front RH suspension has collapsed and the tire has the tread badly worn away which means the wheel kept rotating for some time between the suspension failure and the subsequent collision. The back LH wheel has gone completely whompy even though there is no sign of an impact at that part of the car. Teslas are having suspension failures at an alarming rate. The air suspension is prone to collapse and does not even have bump stops to limit suspension travel when problems occur. The use of cast aluminium suspension components increases the danger. Cast aluminium is not a strong material and is prone to defects caused by impurities and temperature variations during the casting process.

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Reply #190 - Jan 8^th, 2019 at 5:21am

hey jules can u give us the link to that chart, ive done a few search's and cant find the deaths listed, wow if that many lets find the articles

Although I found one where a motorcyclist is killed... the woman was speeding and had a blood alcohol level of .3 and is in jail for 10 years... is that really something that can be blamed on a car ? Wink

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Reply #191 - Jan 10^th, 2019 at 8:52am

The braindead Tweedledee is trying to sound intelligent - didn't work. Brain overheating by Global Warming and brain inflammation caused by exposure to high concentration of dangerous poisonous carbon dioxide gas has rendered the poor sole functionless.

But ignoring this defective waste of time and space and back to the TOPIC where the trolls have been soundly defeated.

Here is a Model S freshly arrived in the junkyard. It has done just 210 miles and the front wheel and suspension has simply snapped off. There is absolutely zero crash.

damage. The wheel is gouged and the tire is peeled off showing that the wheel was still rolling forward when the wheel snapped off. The fractured components are clearly.

visible in the attached photograph. This can not possibly have been caused by a collision but is simply the result of a weakness in the Tesla suspension components. This defect is putting many lives in danger.

Tesla is a pile of junk and is a dangerous hazard to other road users.

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Reply #192 - Jan 10^th, 2019 at 8:58am

Bet the North Coast reject creature crawls out again.

There are three major, practical reasons why I had to sell my Tesla Model S (original 60kWh).

I put the deposit down in October 2010. I was living in Scottsdale, Arizona in a house I owned with a two-car garage. I took possession of the vehicle in February 2013.

It’s an amazing car. At that point, I thought I’d have it for at least 10 years. Unfortunately life is dynamic, not static.

Fast forward a couple years, and I found myself moving to Denver for work. Owning an EV is far more difficult when you do not own your own garage with charging capabilities. So reason #1 I sold the Tesla was due to charging constraints.

Reason #2 is simple. The original Teslas were rear-wheel drive. Despite the advanced traction control, it was not a stable vehicle on ice or snow.

Reason #3 is probably more controversial. My car was rear-ended while parked in a lot at my gym. The rear quarter panel and bumper had to be replaced. Well, there were only two body shops in the state of Colorado that were able to work on Teslas. So right off the bat, I faced two months of waiting to get it into the shop. Then, the body shop had problems with the Tesla parts department. First they delayed shipment, then they sent a broken part. All told, the accident happened in January, and I got my car back mid-June.

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Reply #195 - Jan 10^th, 2019 at 7:42pm

Does anyone regret buying a Tesla?

Oh yes, there are many who regret it, you need to look no further than the Tesla forums where the people are not totally brainwashed(anymore), and people who actually bought the cars, not some fanboys who have drunken the Musk-Aide and will never get a Tesla.

There are many reasons, here is a best of collection, or rather, the hall of shame:

Service centers too far away and not answering calls, parts not available, cars in shops for weeks, sometimes without resolutions
Doors not opening when the car is exposed to sunny and hot weather
AP1 does not get upgrades, it never will , AP2 is not even on par with AP1 yet, will never be.
Drive train failures
Some cars cannot be charged, CPU replacement does not work
Wheels falling off
Auto Pilot is a beta software, do you know what a beta software is? An unfinished product.
Battery unprotected on uneven roads, they sometimes wanna charge up to 45k usd to replace this
Lying and over promising sales people and staff
Wheels falling off, literally, totalling the cars in the process
Leaking windows
There are many more and the 91% happy customers is a total BS number, have a look at this link and tell me if that is 91% happy customers.

Top 23 Complaints and Reviews about Tesla Motors:- https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/tesla_motors.html

Now a return to where most unsafe Teslas end up - smashed in the junk yard.

Judging by the condition of the Tesla S wreck and the bio-hazard stickers on it there can be little doubt that this was a fatal crash.

The front suspension is broken which may or may not be the result of the crash.

The back RH wheel and suspension is completely missing but there is no damage to the bodywork at that section of the car.

Given the know weakness and repeated failure of Tesla suspensions it is a near certainty that the back wheel fell off and caused this crash.

The number of smashed Teslas in the junkyards is astonishing considering that these are near new cars and quite rare on the roads.

They are mostly bought by wealthy and mature age drivers. No other luxury passenger car crashes at such a high rate as Teslas.

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Reply #198 - Jan 14^th, 2019 at 9:07am

Weak as water the Tweedledum and Tweedledee imbeciles show what a useless waste of space and time that is not worth feeding they really are.

Ignoring these futile failed inferior creatures and back to the TOPIC of the unsafe Tesla piles of junk that are a dangerous hazard to other drivers.

And another unsafe Tesla 3 with a collapsed wheel.

There's nothing quite like a death defying joker boring along in his unsafe Tesla wondering if today's the day a wheel falls off and if he will get killed in the crash.

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As the apathetic public gets to hear the SCARY TRUTH about the unsafe Teslas which are a dangerous hazard to other road users when the weak suspension collapses and a wheel falls off they are leaving in droves.

Who wants to be killed and possibly incinerated by a crummy badly built unsafe Tesla pile of junk ?

Wow the lousy brakes on these Tesla 3 heaps are a real death trap!!!!

Note regen braking doesn't work in cold weather when the battery is too cold and can't accept charge and when the battery is fully charged and can't accept any more charge.

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Reply #201 - Jan 14^th, 2019 at 7:00pm

juliar wrote on Jan 14^th, 2019 at 4:32pm:

As the apathetic public gets to hear the SCARY TRUTH about the unsafe Teslas which are a dangerous hazard to other road users when the weak suspension collapses and a wheel falls off they are leaving in droves.

Who wants to be killed and possibly incinerated by a crummy badly built unsafe Tesla pile of junk ?

https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX133/46601260-deb9-440d-b11a-10ea8...
Wow the lousy brakes on these Tesla 3 heaps are a real death trap!!!!

Note regen braking doesn't work in cold weather when the battery is too cold and can't accept charge and when the battery is fully charged and can't accept any more charge.

Now its about suspension issues which plague other non electric cars Cheesy

LOL

Give it up socko. In the future if you don't like Tesla EV's there will be plenty of other brands to choose from. Of course non of them will be Australian made thanks to deadbeats like yourself Sad

And which car starts easily in extreme cold weather and which car needs an engine block warmer but still can't start Cheesy

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Silly dumb thick as a brick Tweedledum just cannot resist embarrassing herself by displaying her gross ignorance of all things great and small. Is she really autistic after a vaxx ?

Is Tesla S tired and leaning a bit ?

Actually the suspension broke!!!!!!

Vehicle Identification Number: UNKNOWN

Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016

Note: Your VIN, make, model, and year are all protected under the Privacy Act.

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
This is a complaint about Tesla suspension failures. Here is a recent forum discussion in which several owners post photographs of suspensions that have snapped at low speed and not as a result of collision damage.

This is absolute proof of Tesla suspensions failing from snapped alloy parts and from snapped (2 piece) steel bolts. Despite this evidence neither the owners nor Tesla have seen fit to report this to the authorities. Please do your job and investigate this problem. These are not isolated events, they are part of an ongoing pattern of failure.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/another-front-suspension-control-arm-fai
lure.114967/ 6 ** BKelly, Sep 22, 2018

Wow that is weird. Different than mine. If you look at the suspension detail photo there are three circular pieces in a triangle below the rubber CV joint boot. On my car the top one of those three circles, the shiny one, broke. I believe that is what most people have experienced.

In your case the lower left circle seems to be broken i.e. the actual hub or wheel carrier. Somehow the ball joint came apart perhaps as a result. I cant see if the bolt holding the ball joint in the lower right circle is still in place pointing down to the ground, or if that broke. I have not heard of a wheel carrier breaking since the Morris Minors in the 60’s.** **

AmpedRealtor, Sep 22, 2018 Maybe Musk should smoke less pot and focus on putting out quality cars.** CncRepairMan, Sep 23, 2018 Wow. I cannot believe these suspension concerns have not been recalled.

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Reply #203 - Jan 15^th, 2019 at 5:07am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2019 at 9:31am:

A lot of used Model 3 Teslas for sale with very low KM.

If people were happy with them they wouldn't be selling them they would be keeping them.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-Tesla-Model-3-d2475

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryLis...
so more bmw m3 for sale than the Tesla 3 and there was 10 times as many Tesla's sold than the M3 BMW last year... try again Baron

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Incredibly dense and dumb Tweedledum rushes to the aid of her sister Tweedledee. Classic Greeny types trying unsuccessfully to copy the ineffective tactics universally used by Gay Greeny types who are convinced they are ALWAYS RIGHT and where everything is turned into a personal attack on the much more clever poster who makes them look like the imbeciles they are. Autistic after a vax ?

It seems the "minds" of the Tesla Killer Robots are as mangled as those of TweedleDum and Ttweedledee.

Teslas wrecks pulling out of garages and parking spaces. Elon Musk’s misses deadline for Tesla to cross country on “autopilot”
3 Sep '18
Tesla and Elon Musk has a history of dangerously and dishonestly hyping AI and “autopilot”; yet reportedly many Tesla owners have complained that their Tesla’s have crashed using the summon feature and many Tesla owners have complained of crashing while on “autopilot”.

The hype from Tesla, Elon Musk and his suck ups are leading to complacency, overconfidence and recklessness of such technology that leads to accidents, injuries and deaths. They are responsible for the killer robots. In their delusional hypocrisy they warn others that in the future there will be killer robots, yet they are so delusional, ignorant and dishonest they are in denial that the killer robots that they are shilling for has already injured and murdered several people.

I’ve heard a lot testimony of Tesla owners complain about Teslas crashing using AI to pull out of garages or parking spaces. This is the first time I’ve seen it reported by the media.

Elon Musk said a Tesla could drive itself across the country by 2018. One just crashed backing out of a garage!!!

And what thrills Tweedledum and Tweedledee - a mangled Tesla 3 killer robot

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The killing instinct of the Tesla Killer Robot exposed!!!!

Elon Musk said a Tesla could drive itself across the country by 2018. One just crashed backing out of a garage
By DREW HARWELL THE WASHINGTON POST SEP 13, 2018 | 8:50 AM

Tesla says in the Model S owner's manual that Summon is a "beta feature" and that the car can't detect a range of common objects.

When Mangesh Gururaj's wife left home to pick up their child from math lessons one Sunday this month, she turned on her Tesla Model S and hit "Summon," a self-parking feature that the electric automaker has promoted as a central step toward driverless cars.

But as the $65,000 sedan reversed itself out of the garage, Gururaj said, the car bashed into a wall, ripping off its front end with a loud crack. He said the damaged Tesla looked like it would have kept driving if his wife hadn't hit the brakes.

No one was hurt, but Gururaj was rattled: The car had failed disastrously, during the simplest of maneuvers, using one of the most basic features from the self-driving technology he and his family had trusted countless times at higher speeds.

Auto summoning my Tesla S crashes on the garage wall. Mangesh Gururaj 9:04 AM - Sep 3, 2018

"This is just a crash in the garage. You can fix this. But what if we were summoning and there was a child it didn't see?" said Gururaj, an IT consultant in North Carolina, who bought the car last year. "I had a lot of trust in Tesla, as a car, but that's gone.... You're talking about a big liability, and your life is at stake."

The crash is an embarrassing mishap for a technology that Tesla chief Elon Musk unveiled in 2016 to great fanfare, saying it would soon enable owners to hit a button and have their cars drive across the country to meet them, recharging along the way.

But the crash also highlights the growing confidence problem facing driver-assistance technology and self-driving cars. The promise of auto-driving, robot-assisted, quasi-magical wonder cars has given way to a more nuanced reality: Cars that also get confused or crash, often with little warning or explanation.

It's not the first time the Summon feature's safety and abilities have been called into question. In 2016, a Tesla owner in Utah said his Model S went rogue after he'd parked it, lurching ahead and impaling itself beneath a parked trailer. Tesla said the car's logs showed the owner was at fault, but it later updated Summon with a new feature that could have prevented the crash.

When asked for details on the Gururaj crash, a Tesla spokesperson pointed only to the car's owner's manual, which calls Summon a "beta feature" and says the car can't detect a range of common objects, including anything lower than the bumper or as narrow as a bicycle.

Driver-assistance systems such as Tesla's Autopilot have been involved in a tiny fraction of the nation's car crashes, and the companies developing the technologies say that in the long term they will boost traffic safety and save lives. Scrutiny of the rare crashes, they add, is misguided in a country where more than 40,000 people died on the road last year.

But the causes of the collisions are often a mystery, leaving drivers such as Gururaj deeply unnerved by the possibility they could happen again. Companies enforce restricted access to the cars' internal computer logs and typically reveal little about what went wrong, saying information on how cars' sensors and computers interact is proprietary and should be kept secret in a competitive industry.

That uncertainty has contributed to apprehension among drivers about a technology not yet proved for public use. Two public surveys released in July, by the Brookings Institution think tank and the nonprofit Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety, found more than 60% of surveyed Americans said they were unwilling to ride in a self-driving car and were concerned about sharing the road with them.

Tesla says car owners must continually monitor their vehicle's movement and surroundings and be prepared to stop at any time. But at the same time, Tesla pitches its self-driving technology as more capable than human drivers: Tesla's website promises "full self-driving hardware on all cars," saying they operate "at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver."

Cathy Chase, president of the Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety, said Tesla's strategy of beta-testing technologies with normal drivers on public roads is "incredibly dangerous."

"People get lulled into a false sense of security" about how safe or capable the cars are, Chase said. "The Tesla approach is risky at best and deadly at worst."

Tesla's Autopilot has been involved in high-profile crashes. In 2016, a Tesla owner in Florida was killed when his Model S, driving on Autopilot, smashed into a tractor-trailer crossing ahead of him on the highway. The car did not slow down or stop to prevent the crash, but federal traffic safety investigators did not cite the company for any safety defects, saying Autopilot needed a driver's "continual and full attention."

Read the rest about this Tesla Killer Robot here

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-tesla-self-driving-20180913-story.html

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Poor impaired Tweedledumb seems to have emptied the rotting decaying contents of her mangled mind. Seems autistic ?

But what the Tweedle sisters love to see - a coal powered Tesla when a wheel falls off.

Gosh these Tesla heaps are death traps - killer robots.

Front suspension has completely fallen to bits. This one is an absolute shocker. These cars are falling to bits all over the world. Please take immediate action. Thank you. Concerned citizen etc. Date of crash is an approximation.

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Ignoring the senseless dribbling of the mentally disabled Tweedledumb.

Back to the TOPIC which has totally humiliated and exposed the Tweedle twins as just empty headed drongos trying to use the Gay Greeny tactics of using whatever irrelevancy they can think of and attacking the person who is so much smarter than they are. Of course these imbeciles copy the Gay Greeny style and assume they ARE RIGHT ALL THE TIME.

The TOPIC is about the unsafe Tesla heaps of junk which are a dangerous hazard to other road users. Look out for flying bits of a Tesla.

These Teslas are such unsafe rubbish you would think they were made in China.

Tesla 3 looks a bit sick with no wheel.

Oh strewth the suspension broke and the wheel fell off!!!

Here is a Tesla Model 3 in the junkyard. It has not been any major collision. The suspension on the RH side is broken. The top wishbone which is made out of (can you believe this?) plastic.has snapped off. This not good.

When did this happen? 10/01/2018

Was there a Crash? No

Was there a Fire? No

Was there an injury or fatality? No

How fast were you going? (in mph) 20

About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 351

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The sad defeated failure Tweedledumb just won't accept defeat and keeps coming back with such trivial childish rubbish. Surely the blood clot knows NOBODY ever bothers to look at those silly Youtube videos.

Following the Gay Greeny tactic of trying to attack the person and make everything seem to be a personal issue is a well known failure.

The idiotic part is that the sick in the head Tweedledumb is actually unconsciously using neurotic projection and describing her own disturbed mind.

But ignoring the autistic neurotic deranged fool and back to the TOPIC which is about the unsafe Tesla death robots.

Now THIS is the sort of thing that sends the feeble minded Tweedle twins into a mental state of derangement:-

Here is another Tesla in the junkyard. It has been completely destroyed by fire.

Despite the extreme fire damage it is clear from the attached photograph that the suspension links on the RH back wheel are cleanly snapped off.

This is not because they have melted in the fire because there are two clear fractures and the wheel has gone whompy.

Another case of fragile alloy suspension parts causing a crash followed by a fire most likely to to leaking hot Glycol followed by ignition of the battery pack.

These cars are worse than the old Pinto and Corvair. They are unsafe at any voltage. Please investigate. Seething citizen etc. etc. Date of incident is an approximation.

When did this happen? 02/01/2018
Was there a Crash? Yes
Was there a Police Report? Yes
Were Vehicles Towed? Yes
Was there a Fire? Yes
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 50
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 15000

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Looks like the disturbed Tweedle dimwits have finally conceded defeat. Or they might be working on Ban Australia Day celebrations.

But back to the TOPIC.

More Bad News: Tesla Is About to Owe $920 Million in Debt. Will Tesla make it past this next speedbump?
Jon Christiana day ago

Tesla S killer robot

Debtor’s Prison
Elon Musk-led electric vehicle manufacturer Tesla has had a chaotic month. End-of-the-year figures showed that it had scaled up production dramatically in 2018, but weeks later the company announced that it was laying off seven percent of its workforce.

Now, CNBC speculates that some of those financial jitters could stem from a nearly billion-dollar debt that’s about to come due to for the automaker — a tough start to 2019 that could impact not just Tesla’s long-term chances but the outlook of the entire EV industry.

Financial Wrangling
The debt stems from a financial instrument called a “convertible senior note,” according to CNBC: basically, if the company’s stock is trading for more than $359.87 on March 1, the debt will convert into Tesla shares — but if not, it’ll owe the $920 million debt in cash.

Why’s that bad news for Tesla? Because the automaker’s stock hasn’t traded above that value in weeks, the network reports.

Adaptions
Tesla has clearly been making efforts to shore up its bottom line. In addition to he layoffs, it dropped its longstanding customer referral program this past week.

If it’s forced to cough up the debt, according to CNBC, Tesla will wipe out approximately a third of its cash reserves — a bleak state of affairs for a futuristic venture that’s struggled with certain business norms as it attempts to upend an established industry.

READ MORE: Tesla Cuts 7% of Its Workforce, and Elon Musk Sees a ‘Very Difficult’ Road Ahead [CNBC] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/18/tesla-to-cut-its-workforce-by-around-7-percent.h...

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Travel in a Tesla X death robot at your peril!!!

New Ipswich teen burned in Tesla crash has died
By MEGHAN PIERCE Monadnock Ledger-Transcript Sunday, January 20, 2019 1:41PM

Nina Colasanto of New Ipswich, seen here in a photo she posted on social media last year, has died after being badly burned in a Tesla crash in Rindge in December. Courtesy photo—

A 2017 Tesla Model X was split in two and caught on fire after a crash on Perry Road in Rindge Wednesday night. Photo by Michelle Barnhart

A New Ipswich teen who was seriously injured in a crash in Rindge last month died yesterday.

Nina Colasanto of New Ipswich suffered life-threatening injuries when a Tesla she was a passenger in went off the road, split in two and ignited into a fiery blaze on Dec. 26, her 19th birthday.

“She passed away in surgery” on Saturday, Hope Fellowship pastor Jordan Moody said Sunday morning during a Facebook Live stream. The surgery was one of many she had endured since the December car crash.

“She’s no longer suffering. There’s no more pain. There’s no more tears for her,” Moody said before leading a prayer for Colasanto.

Colasanto was a passenger in a 2017 Tesla Model X that crashed on Perry Road in Rindge on Dec. 26 around 8 p.m. Colasanto was pulled from the wreckage by friends and passersby and taken to UMass Memorial Medical Center in Worcester, Massachusetts following the crash.

The driver of the Tesla, Travis Olson, 17, of Rindge, and the second passenger, Chelsea Holombo, 17, of New Ipswich, were taken to the Monadnock Community Hospital in Peterborough with serious but non-life threatening injuries and were released.

“Nina suffered some of the worst injuries and she’d been in the hospital till yesterday,” Moody said. “She had burns and broken bones and lung problems and so many other things and yet they had been doing multiple surgeries since then and every time there was a surgery it seemed like God would encourage us – with just – it’s going well, she’s doing better, she’s doing great. And then very suddenly, within a 24-hour period really, she started to go down hill with her health.”

Moody said the doctors at UMass were “amazing” trying to figure out what was wrong with her and said the surgery on Saturday was an attempt to improve her condition and figure out what was going that was preventing her from recovering.

“It seemed like God had worked up amazing miracles up until this point and then left us hanging in some ways. And our faith is questioned in many ways,” Moody said. “And yet I’ve been very encouraged to see the amazing response from young people all in our area who knew her very well and her family that this event, and this difficulty, this hardship has not driven people further away, but has driven people closer together.”

Moody held the Facebook Live stream in place of Sunday services due to the snowstorm. Colasanto, “Bean” to her friends, was a member of Hope Fellowship Church in Jaffrey. Moody said she was also part of a church community in South Carolina. Colasanto had many friends and family members in New Ipswich, Rindge, Jaffrey and South Carolina, he said.

Moody said he first learned of her declining condition Saturday morning while attending a parenting conference at Hope Fellowship Church.

“At the parenting conference in the morning I received word that she was having a rough time and she was headed down hill on some things. We prayed for her at the parenting conference Saturday morning, all the parents prayed together. And then some prayed throughout the day. Many people were hoping she would continue to rebound, that she would get better.”

Moody said Colasanto’s mother, Christina Bassett, asked him to express her thanks to the church family for helping them through this and continuing to help them through this difficult time.

“She was full of joy. She had many friends in many places as were are finding out. She affected many lives including me and my wife,” Moody said.

Colasanto graduated from Mascenic High School in 2018.

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Reply #219 - Jan 22^nd, 2019 at 5:56pm

juliar wrote on Jan 21^st, 2019 at 11:50am:

Travel in a Tesla X death robot at your peril!!!

New Ipswich teen burned in Tesla crash has died
By MEGHAN PIERCE Monadnock Ledger-Transcript Sunday, January 20, 2019 1:41PM

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Nina Colasanto of New Ipswich, seen here in a photo she posted on social media last year, has died after being badly burned in a Tesla crash in Rindge in December. Courtesy photo—

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A 2017 Tesla Model X was split in two and caught on fire after a crash on Perry Road in Rindge Wednesday night. Photo by Michelle Barnhart

A New Ipswich teen who was seriously injured in a crash in Rindge last month died yesterday.

Nina Colasanto of New Ipswich suffered life-threatening injuries when a Tesla she was a passenger in went off the road, split in two and ignited into a fiery blaze on Dec. 26, her 19th birthday.

“She passed away in surgery” on Saturday, Hope Fellowship pastor Jordan Moody said Sunday morning during a Facebook Live stream. The surgery was one of many she had endured since the December car crash.

“She’s no longer suffering. There’s no more pain. There’s no more tears for her,” Moody said before leading a prayer for Colasanto.

Colasanto was a passenger in a 2017 Tesla Model X that crashed on Perry Road in Rindge on Dec. 26 around 8 p.m. Colasanto was pulled from the wreckage by friends and passersby and taken to UMass Memorial Medical Center in Worcester, Massachusetts following the crash.

The driver of the Tesla, Travis Olson, 17, of Rindge, and the second passenger, Chelsea Holombo, 17, of New Ipswich, were taken to the Monadnock Community Hospital in Peterborough with serious but non-life threatening injuries and were released.

“Nina suffered some of the worst injuries and she’d been in the hospital till yesterday,” Moody said. “She had burns and broken bones and lung problems and so many other things and yet they had been doing multiple surgeries since then and every time there was a surgery it seemed like God would encourage us – with just – it’s going well, she’s doing better, she’s doing great. And then very suddenly, within a 24-hour period really, she started to go down hill with her health.”

Moody said the doctors at UMass were “amazing” trying to figure out what was wrong with her and said the surgery on Saturday was an attempt to improve her condition and figure out what was going that was preventing her from recovering.

“It seemed like God had worked up amazing miracles up until this point and then left us hanging in some ways. And our faith is questioned in many ways,” Moody said. “And yet I’ve been very encouraged to see the amazing response from young people all in our area who knew her very well and her family that this event, and this difficulty, this hardship has not driven people further away, but has driven people closer together.”

Moody held the Facebook Live stream in place of Sunday services due to the snowstorm. Colasanto, “Bean” to her friends, was a member of Hope Fellowship Church in Jaffrey. Moody said she was also part of a church community in South Carolina. Colasanto had many friends and family members in New Ipswich, Rindge, Jaffrey and South Carolina, he said.

Moody said he first learned of her declining condition Saturday morning while attending a parenting conference at Hope Fellowship Church.

“At the parenting conference in the morning I received word that she was having a rough time and she was headed down hill on some things. We prayed for her at the parenting conference Saturday morning, all the parents prayed together. And then some prayed throughout the day. Many people were hoping she would continue to rebound, that she would get better.”

Moody said Colasanto’s mother, Christina Bassett, asked him to express her thanks to the church family for helping them through this and continuing to help them through this difficult time.

“She was full of joy. She had many friends in many places as were are finding out. She affected many lives including me and my wife,” Moody said.

Colasanto graduated from Mascenic High School in 2018.

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Why would any right thinking parent let a 17 year old drive a vehical that is as fast as a Tesla , I don’t get it, earlier last year 3 teenagers chashed and died going like the clappers , now another one. The biggest tragedy is that these Tesla cars have a velvet mode or parent mode that can limit the acceleration and speed but obviously not used .
The three of them where lucky it was a x or more than likely they would of all died.

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Reply #220 - Jan 23^rd, 2019 at 2:08pm

The Tweedle dimwits disappoint again.

Silly Tweedledumb is stuck on his silly videos that nobody looks at and Tweedledee is stuck on copying my clever posts and then adding some nonsense after it.

You really wonder why they keep humiliating themselves like this.

But ignoring the impaired twin twits and back to the TOPIC.

I like my Tesla, but it isn’t perfect. Here are four things I don’t like:

Range: If I charge all the way, I would be extremely lucky to get 200 miles from my Model X 90D. It is advertised at a range of 260, which would only happen in a tail wind going downhill…for 260 miles.

Premium car, but not premium service: The car almost never needs service, but when it does, we only have one option: the local Tesla Service Center. To some people, “local” will mean driving for half a day to get to one. Once we book an appointment and arrive, the service isn’t bad, but for what we pay, it isn’t comparable to Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes. Also, better hope you don’t need to replace body panels from an accident, because those are not easy to find and I’ve had friends that have had those on order for a long time.

Many of the car’s features are based on the Internet: I have often thought this was a great thing, but earlier this year, Tesla’s servers were down for an entire weekend (Friday PM to Sunday PM) and that meant you couldn’t unlock or drive your car with their app, you couldn’t turn on the heater or AC remotely, or locate your car. This was a nuisance for Model S and X owners, but really bad for Model three owners, for many don’t even use their ‘key card’ that Tesla issued them. And after over 60 hours of outage, Tesla didn’t even acknowledge or apologize for the event. Whoops.

Hype vs. Reality: Making the most tech-forward car in the world can’t be easy, but it is frustrating to pay a lot of money for a feature and then only getting to use it, kind-of. I am talking about the auto-pilot. It was hyped pretty big when it came out early last year: Elon said he would drive from LA to NY unassisted by the end of the year. Yeah, that still hasn’t happened. Also, the version 2 of the auto-pilot didn’t surpass version 1 capabilities until pretty recently. This causes two problems: 1) the old autopilot 1 owners originally felt ripped off that they were told their car would be upgradable via software only to find out they needed new hardware that could be retro-fitted to their cars and 2) The AP 2 owners felt ripped off that they bought a brand new car and spent a lot of money on AP only to find it was unusable and vastly inferior to the previous version!

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Reply #221 - Jan 23^rd, 2019 at 2:15pm

Wonder if Tweedledee will try to copy all this ?

Here are 14 things that are bad about Tesla cars (notice, some of these items could also be attributed to all electric vehicles):

1. There is Nothing “Green” About Them

Tesla’s (and most EVs in that class) have battery packs that are made up of thousands of batteries (the kind you would use in your electronic devices). While the average consumer requires a handful of batteries to power up their electronics every blue moon, Tesla drivers are consuming thousands (Tesla Model S 85 kwh has over 7000 battery cells) which have to be replaced at some point. There is a reason why we can’t just dump our batteries in the trash! THEY ARE TERRIBLE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. Now imagine dumping over 7000 batteries all at once. The environmental damage from battery manufacturing and disposal alone would make the environmentalist go nuts but that’s just the tip of the iceberg. If you live in the USA, most of your electricity comes from burning thick, black, über-polluting COAL! Even the super-charger stations are running mostly on the power from the grid which for the most part is generated by burning coal and natural gas.

COAL and Natural Gas provide almost 70% of all electricity in the USA (varies by state). Sure, they aren’t clean but they have something renewables don’t- RELIABILITY. They work day and night, when there is no sun, no wind, no ocean currents or terrible weather. My point is, Tesla’s or EV’s are not “green” - yes they may be more efficient than gasoline cars but not by a huge factor if everything is considered.

2. Horsepower and Torque is Based on How Much Juice They Have Left

Ever wonder why Tesla doesn’t advertise their horsepower and torque ratings? BECAUSE THEY VARY BASED ON THE BATTERY CHARGE LEVEL. A Tesla at 100% charge will be faster than a Tesla at a 50% charge or 25% charge. Imagine what that would be like with a gasoline car. Your cars’ advertised horsepower of 500HP goes down to 400HP when you have half of the gasoline left in the tank. THAT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE! Gasoline cars don’t lose power just because you don’t have a full tank of gasoline! Tesla’s, however, are just like glorified golf carts or those 12V RC toy cars for small children. We can all remember how those things used to take off like mad when fully charged and totally lagged and slowed down when they had barely any juice left. Yep - that’s a Tesla for ya! If you think that’s not bad enough- the batteries also degrade over time, which brings me to my next point…

3. Batteries Degrade Over Time, Decreasing its Range

Tesla’s decrease their range by up to 30% in 5 years or so due to battery degradation, as if “range anxiety” wasn’t already a deal-breaker to begin with. Yes, gasoline cars may loose some of their efficiency in terms of gallon/miles but generally their range is not affected over their lifetime. Whatever range you get with a Gasoline car from day 1 that’s typically what you get 10 or 20 years later (considering minimal maintenance). That is not true for Tesla’s (Or other EV’s).

4. They Blow Up or Burn Up When You “Accidentally” Crash Them

At least the tank filled with gasoline is safely tucked away at the rear of a gasoline car, while with Tesla’s the entire floor of the car is made up of the battery cells. You are basically riding on an inferno waiting to happen. Which begs the question - how much is your life and the lives of your friends and family worth to you?

5. Charging Can Take Forever

Are you willing to make visiting a rest area when taking longer trips into a picnic? Because you will be there for a while when the Tesla is getting charged, yes even with the superchargers - they take 20 minutes to charge to 50%, 40 minutes to charge to 80%, and 75 minutes to 100%. So much for “efficiency”. You are driving “THE FUTURE OF AUTOMOTIVE DREAM” and yet it totally sucks when it comes to saving that one thing we all don’t have much of and that one thing that matters most in life - TIME.

But even if you believe you are some type of immortal being who lives forever and doesn’t give a poo about your time on this earth, what if there is an emergency and your Tesla isn’t charged up? Tough luck! You are screwed! Better hit up your neighbors for their gasoline cars to get you where you need to be.

6. The Price

The cheapest Tesla as of September 2018 is a model 3 which costs about $57,000 plus tax with some reasonable options (such as Autopilot). At that price I can get an Audi S8, BMW or Mercedes Benz with better options and a better brand. The $7500 government incentive is something not everyone qualifies for and will soon be gone.

7. Charging Infrastructure Availability

Gotta figure out if supercharger stations are available in your area if you live in an apartment, if not how much will it cost to get one installed at your home? Not a big deal, I am sure but still, it is something Tesla owners have to consider that gasoline car owners do not have to worry about.

The Tesla disaster continues overleaf

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Reply #222 - Jan 23^rd, 2019 at 2:15pm

The Tesla disaster continues...

8. Service Center Availability

I heard someone who bought a Tesla in a country where they didn’t have a service center, was asked by Tesla to “ship” the vehicle to the US at a cost of close to $8000 for a $2500 fix. OUCH! Keep in mind, you can’t just drive to any of the hundred of thousands of car mechanic shops available to gasoline cars - for obvious reasons - nobody services electric vehicles! Those mechanics will probably laugh hard then tell you politely to leave.

9. Additional Weight to the Power Produced

Pound for pound, Gasoline is much more energy dense than batteries. Which means you are getting more energy out of a pound of gasoline than you are getting out of a pound of batteries. A gallon of gasoline weighs only 6.3 pounds yet provides about 36 KW/h of energy. A battery pack providing 36 kw/h of energy would weigh over 500 pounds and cost over $5000! This is one of the main reasons why in the early 1900’s, gasoline cars won over electric cars. This is also why there will never be planes (especially a passenger plane) that is battery powered! It would literally take tons of batteries to make even close to the power that kerosene provides and the additional weight added to the plane would not make it feasible nor economical to fly! Tesla’s weigh much more than their gasoline counterparts as a result of this power deficiency. You are basically shoving more batteries into the car’s chassis to make up for this power deficiency which adds more weight. More weight makes the car less agile, more likely to roll, skid or slip which makes Tesla’s more risky in car accidents.

VIDEO: Here is the famous American scientist/physicist Dr. Michio Kaku talking about this topic- “Why Batteries Are Primitive”.

10. Range Loss due to Cold Weather

How does that sound to all of you who live in colder climates? Again, cold weather may affect gasoline cars too, in that, the gasoline engine may need some help getting started but once the car is started its full power and range are available. Not so for Teslas!

11. No Way to Modify for Performance

When you buy a Tesla you are buying a pre-packaged product. Elon Musk basically decides FOR YOU what you should and should not have in that car. The only things you can modify are “aesthetic” things like carbon fiber stickers and painting your rims. There are NO PERFORMANCE PARTS for the Tesla only Performance Upgrades sold directly by Tesla that yields the company anywhere from $5000–$24000 in pure profit and you are still limited to the battery capacity and the motor performance!

12. No Way to Install a High-Drain Stereo System

Speaking of car modifications, installing a 5000 Watt – 10000 Watt (continuous) aftermarket high drain car stereo will be eating away at the total range of the car, that is if you somehow manage to tap the main battery without getting electrocuted! The smaller accessories battery doesn’t provide enough juice to drive a high drain car stereo. In ICE cars, the alternator usually provides enough juice to power high-drain systems (in some cases the alternator has to be replaced with a bigger one but the point is, you have the option with an ICE vehicle to solve the low voltage or low power problem fairly easily - not so in Teslas!).

13. Bankruptcy Risk

There is a reason why so many short-sellers are shorting the crap out of Tesla’s stock - countless electric (EV) companies have already died in vein! Fisker being the most famous one is barely alive and several companies you haven’t even heard of died miserably. There was an EV company lead by Shai Agassi who took $850M in VC money and DIED! (Source: Wikipedia)

TESLA IS NEXT!

The only person keeping the company afloat is Elon himself, but the moment he takes his eyes off the ball, that company is going to sink like the Titanic!

Think about what this means for all Tesla owners when Tesla goes bankrupt:

No more Super Charging Network
No more Parts or service if something goes wrong
No more Software Updates
No Tesla mobile app (and associated functions)
No battery pack replacement (slow death)
Disastrous value depreciation of the car
Warranty will be obviously voided
With ICE cars you can at least get your car serviced by an independent mechanic even if the manufacturer goes bankrupt (provided aftermarket parts exists)

14. Phantom/Vampire Drain
VIDEO: Vampire drain

Ever left your battery powered electronics unattended for a few days without turning it on and noticed that somehow the battery is half-way drained? Well - that is called Physics - more specifically its called Vampire or Phantom drain. Electrons hate staying in one place - like inside a battery and all battery driven electronics, including, of course- Tesla cars are not exempt from this. According to my research, Tesla's loose some 5 miles per day in range (or about 2% charge) due to vampire drain. There is no cure for vampire drain.

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Reply #224 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 11:22am

Tesla suspensions breaking and a wheel falling off is reaching epidemic proportions and is now not if but when it will happen as the suspension is so fragile it just cannot handle the weight of the heavy battery.

A passenger who survived tells his story.

I am no longer a Tesla owner as I sold my model 3 after a year. The interior was a bit too plain for me. I’m not sure I would call it a frustrating problem but I feel the only interaction a driver has with a car is what he sees and feels when sitting in the driving position. You don’t get the point of view of sitting anywhere else in the car and you don’t get the point of view of an onlooker when the car drives by. For me I just felt like I was driving a no frills car with a dash that looked like every cost had been cut to reduce price.

The only other frustrating time I had with a Tesla was in 2015 when I was with a friend driving his 2013 model S from Los Angeles to San Francisco on a deserted stretch of freeway.

We changed lanes and as the front driver side tire rolled over the small warning bumps between lanes we heard a pop followed by almost total loss of steering control.

Luckily there were no other cars near us or we would have definitely been in a major collision.

We managed to pull over to the side of the road and the wheel was totally out of position with what looked like pieces of hardware stuck near the brake caliper(see attached images).

After waiting hours for a tow truck we eventually got a tow to the nearest city.

The tow truck driver said it looked like a broken front axle and that he had seen the same issue on at least half a dozen Teslas in the last year.

My friend has since gotten the car fixed and whenever I ask him about it he says it was nothing as he is a big Tesla fan. As for me it was probably the scariest car incident I’ve had in my 30+ years of driving.

If you get into an unsafe death robot Tesla you take your life into your hands!!!!!!!

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Reply #225 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 11:50am

juliar wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 11:22am:

Tesla suspensions breaking and a wheel falling off is reaching epidemic proportions and is now not if but when it will happen as the suspension is so fragile it just cannot handle the weight of the heavy battery.

A passenger who survived tells his story.

I am no longer a Tesla owner as I sold my model 3 after a year. The interior was a bit too plain for me. I’m not sure I would call it a frustrating problem but I feel the only interaction a driver has with a car is what he sees and feels when sitting in the driving position. You don’t get the point of view of sitting anywhere else in the car and you don’t get the point of view of an onlooker when the car drives by. For me I just felt like I was driving a no frills car with a dash that looked like every cost had been cut to reduce price.

The only other frustrating time I had with a Tesla was in 2015 when I was with a friend driving his 2013 model S from Los Angeles to San Francisco on a deserted stretch of freeway.

We changed lanes and as the front driver side tire rolled over the small warning bumps between lanes we heard a pop followed by almost total loss of steering control.

Luckily there were no other cars near us or we would have definitely been in a major collision.

We managed to pull over to the side of the road and the wheel was totally out of position with what looked like pieces of hardware stuck near the brake caliper(see attached images).

After waiting hours for a tow truck we eventually got a tow to the nearest city.

The tow truck driver said it looked like a broken front axle and that he had seen the same issue on at least half a dozen Teslas in the last year.

My friend has since gotten the car fixed and whenever I ask him about it he says it was nothing as he is a big Tesla fan. As for me it was probably the scariest car incident I’ve had in my 30+ years of driving.

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If you get into an unsafe death robot Tesla you take your life into your hands!!!!!!!

HAHA no reference... opinion piece...……. he only sold his car because of his taste...….
and we all know unnamed tow truck drivers r the best source...

Interesting thing though his friend kept the car and loves it and after the "terrifying" crash 2 years later he is one of the first ppl to buy a Model 3 (a year ago Tesla had only sold 2,000 Model 3's) as the first 1000 where only sold to staff.
i call BS on the whole thing because he recons he had a 1 year old Tesla 3, he was in the most horrifying accident of his life and 2 years later bought a Tesla........
When was this supposedly written Jules.. Please supply a link Wink

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Reply #228 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 12:47pm

My Goodness Tweedledee's "mind" seized up by overheating by Global Warming is having palpitations!!! What a sad case.
And her Tweedle Twin Tweedledumb is just as badly affected. And they both vote for the Greenies!!!

Tesla is basically an unsafe pile of junk.

Other than acceleration they’re not much fun to drive. And even the acceleration gets boring. Too much torque means that as a driver you don’t have to work for speed. This would be a criticism of any high powered car. You’ll rarely get any sense of pushing a Model S for more than a few seconds

The handling is meh at best. Yes, the big tires will hold the road but the steering is numb like a video game.

It’s not luxurious in traditional terms of materials and craftsmanship. The S was designed as a $49k car with a much smaller battery. The interior materials are poor in the $50k segment and many Teslas are optioned over $100k.

Still not ideal for road trips. The charger network is growing but it’s not always easy to go from A to B and even if you can get to B you may not have charging options once you’re there.

They don’t tow much of anything or for any distance so if you want take a travel trailer or boat they’re not an option.

Daily or every other day charging is a pain for some.

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Reply #229 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:02am

juliar wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 12:47pm:

My Goodness Tweedledee's "mind" seized up by overheating by Global Warming is having palpitations!!! What a sad case.
And her Tweedle Twin Tweedledumb is just as badly affected. And they both vote for the Greenies!!!

Tesla is basically an unsafe pile of junk.

Other than acceleration they’re not much fun to drive. And even the acceleration gets boring. Too much torque means that as a driver you don’t have to work for speed. This would be a criticism of any high powered car. You’ll rarely get any sense of pushing a Model S for more than a few seconds

The handling is meh at best. Yes, the big tires will hold the road but the steering is numb like a video game.

It’s not luxurious in traditional terms of materials and craftsmanship. The S was designed as a $49k car with a much smaller battery. The interior materials are poor in the $50k segment and many Teslas are optioned over $100k.

Still not ideal for road trips. The charger network is growing but it’s not always easy to go from A to B and even if you can get to B you may not have charging options once you’re there.

They don’t tow much of anything or for any distance so if you want take a travel trailer or boat they’re not an option.

Daily or every other day charging is a pain for some.

The S isn't rated to Tow at all.... The X can though... If a story cant even get a basic point right and is supposed to be a Tesla Owner... I call BS on this story 2 Jules... got a link ? Wink

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Reply #230 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 5:58am

Tweedledee, try drinking some WD40 - it might loosen up your seized up rusted "mind".

The dimwit can't even read as the article clearly says Teslas are useless at towing.

Front suspension has completely fallen to bits. This one is an absolute shocker. These cars are falling to bits all over the world. Please take immediate action. Thank you. Concerned citizen etc. Date of crash is an approximation.

Vehicle Identification Number: 5yjsb7e18gf164296
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016
Note: Your VIN, make, model, and year are all protected under the Privacy Act.
What part of your car was affected? Suspension
What happened?
When did this happen? 01/01/2018
Was there a Crash? Yes
Was there a Police Report? Yes
Were Vehicles Towed? Yes
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000

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Reply #231 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 7:27am

juliar wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 5:58am:

Tweedledee, try drinking some WD40 - it might loosen up your seized up rusted "mind".

The dimwit can't even read as the article clearly says Teslas are useless at towing.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/ba8c35a10cac34fa8941242da3ca...

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/593ffa201368051e51ba24f71f08...

Front suspension has completely fallen to bits. This one is an absolute shocker. These cars are falling to bits all over the world. Please take immediate action. Thank you. Concerned citizen etc. Date of crash is an approximation.

Vehicle Identification Number: 5yjsb7e18gf164296
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016
Note: Your VIN, make, model, and year are all protected under the Privacy Act.
What part of your car was affected? Suspension
What happened?
When did this happen? 01/01/2018
Was there a Crash? Yes
Was there a Police Report? Yes
Were Vehicles Towed? Yes
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000

Jules the Tesla S cant tow at all... it has no tow rating... so to write about a Tesla S that cant tow for very long is just wrong....

So the 2 photos r they anything to do with the report ? Doesn't seem like much damage for a vehicle doing 70km's a hour....
This looks like a report u can give the USA traffic board...…. why r the photos from England ?
Yes a Tesla was in a crash and was doing 70km's a hour when it happened... what is this proving ?

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Reply #232 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:14am

Global Warming has so overheated Tweedledee's feeble "mind" there is steam coming out her ears.

Poor Tweedledee's feeble weak "mind" just cannot comprehend reality as she much prefers Greeny fiction and make believe.

The dimwit can't even read as the article clearly says Teslas are useless at towing.

Unsafe death robot Teslas are dropping like flies as the weak suspension breaks under the weight of the heavy battery and a wheel falls off and then there is usually a great big crash.

Complaint Number: 11085098
Vehicle Identification Number: 5yjsb7e15gf155460
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Tesla that is in a junkyard in UK. The front RH suspension is smashed into pieces. The damage looks much more consistent with a mechanical failure than with being the result of a collision. The lower suspension ball joint stems have snapped.

This failure has been reported on many other Teslas.

The cast aluminium steering knuckle has fractured which is indicative of a casting flaw. The wheel has been sliced apart almost certainly due to contact with a broken suspension part whilst the car was still driving down the road.

These cars are arriving in the wrecking yards in huge numbers considering how relatively few Teslas have been sold.

It is very strange that so few owners make their own reports to the safety authorities. This is probably because so many owners are also Tesla shareholders. Please investigate. Thank you. Genuinely concerned citizen.

When did this happen? 02/01/2018
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 3000

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Reply #235 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:06am

ohh look dumb and dumber now making love posts together...
I'm sorry but showing a vehicle that was doing 70km's and in a crash doesn't prove suspension failure... what was the cause of the accident ?
why isn't that posted ?
Baron yes go find some OLD reports on a few suspension faults , don't mention that Tesla take a lot of interest in these a well and have upgraded their suspension to rectify these issue's.
Don't mention Tesla OWNER's r the most satisfied of all car manufactures.....
Yes u might think Tesla's r a poo box but at least they r not a Holden, and even worse not a Torana Wink

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Reply #236 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:19am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:59am:

Its ok though, it just means other manufacturers can and are picking up the electric car market.

which ones ?
What electric vehicles r directly competing against Tesla ? Wink

Last year in USA Tesla sold 190,000
The next company was GM with 18,000
All the companies except Tesla was just over 40,000
so far Jag is the only company to do a Luxury EV and they sold less than 400 in the USA last year...

SO the competition sold 400 cars to Tesla's 190,000.... Yup they r killing the electric market Wink

Tesla Sold 250,000 cars last year how many had suspension faults ?

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Reply #237 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:25am

juliar wrote on Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:58pm:

The village idiot troll VIRUS is annoyed at being repeatedly shown to be nothing more than a dumb dill. This exacerbates her neurotic inferiority complex. And she certainly is an inferior individual.

It is fun psycho analyzing the neurotic confusion of such specimens.

The penalty of mental inadequacy and poor education and low IQ. Should not have mucked up so much while at school.

Perhaps the specimen being analyzed should follow her own advice and stay away ?

So many words, but so little information

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Reply #238 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:28am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:19am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:59am:

Its ok though, it just means other manufacturers can and are picking up the electric car market.

which ones ?
What electric vehicles r directly competing against Tesla ? Wink

Last year in USA Tesla sold 190,000
The next company was GM with 18,000
All the companies except Tesla was just over 40,000
so far Jag is the only company to do a Luxury EV and they sold less than 400 in the USA last year...

SO the competition sold 400 cars to Tesla's 190,000.... Yup they r killing the electric market Wink

Tesla Sold 250,000 cars last year how many had suspension faults ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_cars_currently_available

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Reply #239 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:37am

Big Pump, you don't understand the real message. So don't worry too much.

Poor old Tweedledee whose "Mind" has been overheated by Global Warming is emptying out the decaying contents of her tiny feeble mind.

Poor sole just hasn't got it to match normal people and just embarrasses herself.

Now the sad sole will try to deny the following TRUE FACTUAL EVIDENCE of another unsafe Tesla pile of junk.

Complaint Number: 11091689
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1DP5DFP10456
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2013

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Tesla in the junkyard. The back wheel has fallen off for no good reason. See attached photograph.

Please note that in the latest fatal Tesla crash the back wheel has also fallen off. Will you PLEASE wake up to this problem. Thank you. Mightily peeved citizen. Which is probably the reason that the car suddenly swerved off the road.

When did this happen? 04/10/2018
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 100000

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Reply #240 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:41am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:28am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:19am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:59am:

Its ok though, it just means other manufacturers can and are picking up the electric car market.

which ones ?
What electric vehicles r directly competing against Tesla ? Wink

Last year in USA Tesla sold 190,000
The next company was GM with 18,000
All the companies except Tesla was just over 40,000
so far Jag is the only company to do a Luxury EV and they sold less than 400 in the USA last year...

SO the competition sold 400 cars to Tesla's 190,000.... Yup they r killing the electric market Wink

Tesla Sold 250,000 cars last year how many had suspension faults ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_cars_currently_available

ohh yes there r many models out there but not many numbers getting sold and definitely no Luxury ones.
As we speak Tesla r sending boatloads of Model 3's to Europe and it will be fun to see how they go.
....

The biggest problems the other car manufactures r facing now is no batteries... Tesla ,along with Panasonic invested alot into that and now r the world biggest suppliers...
It's estimated it will take years just for the batteries be rectified, little on designing and retooling to the actual EV. Wink

The nissan renault alliance r probably the only other main manufacturer worldwide that r making numbers.
China is the biggest market of EV's and companies like BYD r doing well. Trade wars with USA took a toll on Tesla this year,
They r building a factory in china and hope to start building 3's by the end of the year will change that though. Wink

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Reply #242 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:48am

juliar wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

Big Pump, you don't understand the real message. So don't worry too much.

Poor old Tweedledee whose "Mind" has been overheated by Global Warming is emptying out the decaying contents of her tiny feeble mind.

Poor sole just hasn't got it to match normal people and just embarrasses herself.

Now the sad sole will try to deny the following TRUE FACTUAL EVIDENCE of another unsafe Tesla pile of junk.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/81961ee8e9536f55e0ba8d59570a...

Complaint Number: 11091689
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1DP5DFP10456
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2013

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Tesla in the junkyard. The back wheel has fallen off for no good reason. See attached photograph.

Please note that in the latest fatal Tesla crash the back wheel has also fallen off. Will you PLEASE wake up to this problem. Thank you. Mightily peeved citizen. Which is probably the reason that the car suddenly swerved off the road.

When did this happen? 04/10/2018
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 100000

so this is a concerned citizen that looked at a Tesla in a wreak and decided the reason it crashed.... Cheesy

where is a link Jules.....why is every car doing 40mph ?
R u filling these out yourself ?
that would be as credible.
SO has Tesla had to recall any of their vehicles for suspension issues...… If not why
If they r having as many issue's as u suggest there would be recalls.... ohh wait none Wink

Just lies and opinion pieces Jules u got nothing...... Wink

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Reply #244 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:53am

juliar wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

Big Pump, you don't understand the real message. So don't worry too much.

Poor old Tweedledee whose "Mind" has been overheated by Global Warming is emptying out the decaying contents of her tiny feeble mind.

Poor sole just hasn't got it to match normal people and just embarrasses herself.

Now the sad sole will try to deny the following TRUE FACTUAL EVIDENCE of another unsafe Tesla pile of junk.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/81961ee8e9536f55e0ba8d59570a...

Complaint Number: 11091689
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1DP5DFP10456
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2013

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Tesla in the junkyard. The back wheel has fallen off for no good reason. See attached photograph.

Please note that in the latest fatal Tesla crash the back wheel has also fallen off. Will you PLEASE wake up to this problem. Thank you. Mightily peeved citizen. Which is probably the reason that the car suddenly swerved off the road.

When did this happen? 04/10/2018
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 100000

Im thinking a little more info would be necessary to make an informed opinion on this one Julian, I like Tesla and suspect this issue is not as simple as laid out in your post

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Reply #245 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 6:52pm

Heavens the armchair critics have come out to lie in the sun.

BH wants a nice circulating argument.

Pumkin is rather uninformed about the unsafe Tesla piles of junk and just doesn't understand the lingo here and how grotty Greeny types are - no not you Pumkin.

And the Greeny dropout Tweedledee with the mind scorched by Global Warming just embarrasses herself again by tipping out the warped decaying contents of her distressed mind. She just does not have the mental prowess to converse with normal people.

Greeny types like the failed Greeny Tweedledee don't like FACTS and TRUTH as their feeble minds can't understand them and so they much prefer the simplistic fiction and make believe that the Greeny web sites are full of.

Now yet another unsafe Tesla pile of junk comes to grief. Is there a rumor that riding in an unsafe Tesla is just as dangerous as riding a motor cycle ?

Complaint Number: 11092574
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1H16EFP36457
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2014

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
Here is another Tesla in the junkyard. Back wheel has fallen off.

This does not look as though it is caused by another vehicle running into the back of it. It is much more likely to be yet another case of the weak suspension parts causing self inflicted injury.

The attached photograph shows that the suspension links have been stretched OUTWARD until they snapped. This was not caused by an impact to the rear of the Tesla. Please investigate. Thank you. Persistent citizen.

When did this happen? 04/01/2018
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 20000

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Reply #246 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:33pm

BigP wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:53am:

juliar wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

Big Pump, you don't understand the real message. So don't worry too much.

Poor old Tweedledee whose "Mind" has been overheated by Global Warming is emptying out the decaying contents of her tiny feeble mind.

Poor sole just hasn't got it to match normal people and just embarrasses herself.

Now the sad sole will try to deny the following TRUE FACTUAL EVIDENCE of another unsafe Tesla pile of junk.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/81961ee8e9536f55e0ba8d59570a...

Complaint Number: 11091689
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1DP5DFP10456
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2013

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Tesla in the junkyard. The back wheel has fallen off for no good reason. See attached photograph.

Please note that in the latest fatal Tesla crash the back wheel has also fallen off. Will you PLEASE wake up to this problem. Thank you. Mightily peeved citizen. Which is probably the reason that the car suddenly swerved off the road.

When did this happen? 04/10/2018
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 100000

Im thinking a little more info would be necessary to make an informed opinion on this one Julian, I like Tesla and suspect this issue is not as simple as laid out in your post

Plenty of fossil fool junk heaps with plenty of problems and issues but socko just wants to bag Tesla all of the time simply because it bypasses the fossil fool bowser and does big oil and stupid governments out of their pound of flesh. No other reason.

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Reply #247 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:56pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:33pm:

Plenty of fossil fool junk heaps with plenty of problems and issues but socko just wants to bag Tesla all of the time simply because it bypasses the fossil fool bowser and does big oil and stupid governments out of their pound of flesh.

I saw three cars broken down along the M! today. None of them were Teslas Cheesy

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Reply #248 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:56pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:56pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:33pm:

Plenty of fossil fool junk heaps with plenty of problems and issues but socko just wants to bag Tesla all of the time simply because it bypasses the fossil fool bowser and does big oil and stupid governments out of their pound of flesh.

I saw three cars broken down along the M! today. None of them were Teslas Cheesy

sockos reply to this is that tweedledees head is overheating as he crawls out from under the floorboards Cheesy

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Reply #249 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 11:02pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:33pm:

BigP wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:53am:

juliar wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

Big Pump, you don't understand the real message. So don't worry too much.

Poor old Tweedledee whose "Mind" has been overheated by Global Warming is emptying out the decaying contents of her tiny feeble mind.

Poor sole just hasn't got it to match normal people and just embarrasses herself.

Now the sad sole will try to deny the following TRUE FACTUAL EVIDENCE of another unsafe Tesla pile of junk.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/81961ee8e9536f55e0ba8d59570a...

Complaint Number: 11091689
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1DP5DFP10456
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2013

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Tesla in the junkyard. The back wheel has fallen off for no good reason. See attached photograph.

Please note that in the latest fatal Tesla crash the back wheel has also fallen off. Will you PLEASE wake up to this problem. Thank you. Mightily peeved citizen. Which is probably the reason that the car suddenly swerved off the road.

When did this happen? 04/10/2018
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 100000

Im thinking a little more info would be necessary to make an informed opinion on this one Julian, I like Tesla and suspect this issue is not as simple as laid out in your post

Plenty of fossil fool junk heaps with plenty of problems and issues but socko just wants to bag Tesla all of the time simply because it bypasses the fossil fool bowser and does big oil and stupid governments out of their pound of flesh. No other reason.

The Tesla is a shitbox that deserves to be bagged.

These suspension failures are serious lucky more people haven't been killed

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Reply #250 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 12:18am

Even Mr Smith drops in to drop something or other. Must have lost his way to get here.

Tweedledumb's shrunken head appears from under the house to embarrass herself as usual. She just does not have the mental prowess to converse with normal people.

But Baron is the real fair dinkum good bloke who knows where it is at.

Now even the unsafe Tesla airbag suspension collapses and wheels fall off.

Complaint Number: 10925554
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1E48GF141806
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
Another Tesla in the salvage yard.

No impact damage, no airbags deployed but the air suspension has collapsed causing all wheels to jam up in the wheel wells and the back wheel and suspension has torn completely away. The tire is peeled off the rim and the tread is worn down indicating the car was still driving when the damage occurred. Please investigate

When did this happen? 11/01/2016
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000

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Reply #251 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 5:46am

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 11:02pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 9:33pm:

BigP wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:53am:

juliar wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

Big Pump, you don't understand the real message. So don't worry too much.

Poor old Tweedledee whose "Mind" has been overheated by Global Warming is emptying out the decaying contents of her tiny feeble mind.

Poor sole just hasn't got it to match normal people and just embarrasses herself.

Now the sad sole will try to deny the following TRUE FACTUAL EVIDENCE of another unsafe Tesla pile of junk.
https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/81961ee8e9536f55e0ba8d59570a...

Complaint Number: 11091689
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1DP5DFP10456
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2013

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Tesla in the junkyard. The back wheel has fallen off for no good reason. See attached photograph.

Please note that in the latest fatal Tesla crash the back wheel has also fallen off. Will you PLEASE wake up to this problem. Thank you. Mightily peeved citizen. Which is probably the reason that the car suddenly swerved off the road.

When did this happen? 04/10/2018
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 100000

Im thinking a little more info would be necessary to make an informed opinion on this one Julian, I like Tesla and suspect this issue is not as simple as laid out in your post

Plenty of fossil fool junk heaps with plenty of problems and issues but socko just wants to bag Tesla all of the time simply because it bypasses the fossil fool bowser and does big oil and stupid governments out of their pound of flesh. No other reason.

The Tesla is a shitbox that deserves to be bagged.

These suspension failures are serious lucky more people haven't been killed

Baron when you say more people, of course u mean no people... no one has died from a suspension failure on a Tesla...… Tesla sold 250,000 cars last year, when was the last time a failure happened.
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Reply #252 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:14am

juliar wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 12:18am:

Even Mr Smith drops in to drop something or other. Must have lost his way to get here.

Tweedledumb's shrunken head appears from under the house to embarrass herself as usual. She just does not have the mental prowess to converse with normal people.

But Baron is the real fair dinkum good bloke who knows where it is at.

Now even the unsafe Tesla airbag suspension collapses and wheels fall off.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/8d9ba76d6d6e55ae337334090973...

Complaint Number: 10925554
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1E48GF141806
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
Another Tesla in the salvage yard.

No impact damage, no airbags deployed but the air suspension has collapsed causing all wheels to jam up in the wheel wells and the back wheel and suspension has torn completely away. The tire is peeled off the rim and the tread is worn down indicating the car was still driving when the damage occurred. Please investigate

When did this happen? 11/01/2016
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000

https://electrek.co/2016/06/13/tesla-fale-complaints-suspension-nhtsa-keef-wivan...
Following reports of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) probing Tesla over a possible problem with the Model S’ suspension and the automaker’s goodwill agreement, it came to light that several false and/or misleading complaints were filed with NHTSA.
A spokesperson for NHTSA confirmed that the agency has not found any safety issue with Tesla’s suspensions and that the company has clarified the language in its goodwill agreement

That’s because the owners of vehicles didn’t file the complaints, but someone named Keef Leech did, also known on the internet as Keef Wivaneff and other aliases.
Leech’s claim to fame is to have “busted” a scam to sell bogus “solar harvesting devices” in Australia. He describes himself as someone who “bust green scams” and for the past few years, this role can be summarized as “attacking” companies with an environmental aspect, like Tesla.
His “attacks” mainly take the form of online comments on articles about Tesla and other “green companies”. Keef has also been gathering and sharing pictures of crashed Tesla Model S vehicles. A reverse Google search on the pictures show that most of them were taken from salvage auction websites to sell vehicles totalled after severe crashes. Now with over 100,000 vehicles on the road, it’s more than normal for plenty of Teslas to have been involved in crashes and end up on those sites. We even covered a few of those crashes here on Electrek.
Some of the complaints made to NHTSA were based on the same pictures Leech has been gathering and the complaints suggested that the crashes had something to do with Tesla’s suspension even though the listing have little to no information on how the vehicles were damaged. It’s important to note that most car crashes are due to human errors, not car defect or part failure.
The NHTSA complaints were filed not long after Leech added salvaged pictures to his collection and he then would refer to them in his online comments without pointing out that he filed them:
Date Complaint Filed: 03/28/2016
Date of Incident: 02/01/2016
Component(s): SUSPENSION NHTSA ID Number: 10852100
Consumer Location: Unknown
All Products Associated with this Complaint expand
Manufacturer: Tesla Motors, Inc.
Vehicle Identification No. (VIN): 5YJSA1H12EF…
SUMMARY: THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A TESLA WITH A REAR WHEEL ASSEMBLY THAT HAS FALLEN COMPLETELY OFF THE CAR. HTTPS://M.IAAI.COM/VEHICLEDETENC.ASPX?AUCTIONID=0&ITEMID=21617174&ROWID=10&PAGES
OURCE=VEHICLERESULTS# THE CAR HAS SUFFERED HEAVY FRONT END DAMAGE BUT THERE IS NO SIGN OF DAMAGE AT THE REAR LEFT THAT COULD EXPLAIN WHY THE WHEEL HAS FALLEN OFF. THE FRONT LH SUSPENSION HAS ALSO BROKEN BUT IT IS UNCLEAR IF THAT WAS THE CAUSE OR THE RESULT OF THE COLLISION. PLEASE INVESTIGATE THIS. THERE ARE FAR TOO MANY SIMILAR CASES OF SNAPPED OFF WHEELS FOR THIS TO BE MERELY A FREAK ACCIDENT.
In other complaints, Leech, who is from Australia, discloses that he is filing under a made up US address:

So all these posts that Jules has been making r from a crack pot in Australia......the complaints have been made to the USA transport department
https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2017/TESLA/MODEL%252520S%25252060/5%252520HB/RWD#c...
If u look , he is still at it.
Lots of unanimous complaints.. no investigations.

Maybe look into the source of your information Jules before you post.
Well you did fool Baron at least , he fell for this Australian crackpot hook line and sinker .
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Re: Tesla model 3 conking out
Reply #253 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:16am

juliar wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 12:18am:

Even Mr Smith drops in to drop something or other. Must have lost his way to get here.

Tweedledumb's shrunken head appears from under the house to embarrass herself as usual. She just does not have the mental prowess to converse with normal people.

But Baron is the real fair dinkum good bloke who knows where it is at.

Now even the unsafe Tesla airbag suspension collapses and wheels fall off.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/8d9ba76d6d6e55ae337334090973...

Complaint Number: 10925554
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1E48GF141806
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
Another Tesla in the salvage yard.

No impact damage, no airbags deployed but the air suspension has collapsed causing all wheels to jam up in the wheel wells and the back wheel and suspension has torn completely away. The tire is peeled off the rim and the tread is worn down indicating the car was still driving when the damage occurred. Please investigate

When did this happen? 11/01/2016
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000

On my way home from work I pass two vehicles parked up with rear wheels that have become separated. and neither of them are a Tesla,

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Reply #254 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:35am

The seized up after being overheated by Global Warming "mind" of Tweedledee shows amazing lack of intelligence by copying my factual posts and adding some nondescript childish dribble. How dumb can you get ? Classic Greeny type not worth the paper she is printed on.

Now leaving the Greeny Garden of Make Believe and Fiction and back to the FACTS that have happened and are completely TRUE.

Do you want to end it all ? Then go for a ride in an unsafe Tesla.

NHTSA Tesla Suspension Complaints

Date Complaint Filed: 07/18/2016
Date of Incident: 07/18/2016

Component(s): STEERING , SUSPENSION

NHTSA ID Number: 10885723
Consumer Location: SAN DIEGO, CA
Crash:No
Fire:No
Number of Injuries:0
Number of Deaths:0
Manufacturer: Tesla Motors, Inc.
Vehicle Identification No. (VIN): 5YJSA1DP3CF…

SUMMARY:
NOTICED THIS PROBLEM AFTER I WAS BACKING UP AND TURNING MY WHEELS AND WOULD HEAR A LOUD METAL ON METAL “CLUNK” OR “GRINDING” SOUND.

IT WAS COMING FROM THE FRONT-LEFT SUSPENSION AND WOULD OCCUR CAUSING MY WHEEL AND STEERING TO FEEL LIKE IT WAS SKIPPING.

I NOTICED AND MY STEERING FELT “LOOSE” OVER BUMPS AND WOULD PULL TO THE LEFT.

AGAIN THE VEHICLE IS IN MOTION AND THIS WAS FELT THE MOST WHEN TURNING FULL MOTION AND/OR BACKING UP AND TURNING.

WHEN LOOKING AT ONE OF THE CONTROL-ARM JOINTS AFTER I NOTICED A VERY LOUD CLUNK AND COMPARING IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF OF THE SUSPENSION, IT LOOKS LIKE EITHER A BOLT FELL OUT OR THE BALL-JOINT TO THE CONTROL ARM WAS JUST GRINDING FREELY.

I’VE SINCE BROUGHT MY CAR TO TESLA AND THEY HAVE CONFIRMED THAT I HAVE A DEFECTIVE BALL-JOINT TO MY CONTROL ARM THAT'S ALSO DAMAGED MY STEERING KNUCKLE.

IF I DIDNT CATCH THIS OR IT WAS BROKE AT GREATER SPEEDS WHATS THE LIKELY HOOD OF ME LOOSING CONTROL?

I’VE ASKED IF THEY WILL REPLACE ALL THE OTHER PARTS IF THEY HAVE UPDATED PARTS BUT THEY SAID ONLY THE ITEMS THAT ARE DEFECTIVE IN THIS CASE WILL BE WARRANTED.

I SIMPLY DO NOT FEEL SAFE ANYMORE DRIVING THIS VEHICLE

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Complaint Filed: 11/08/2015
Date of Incident: 07/04/2014

Component(s): SUSPENSION

NHTSA ID Number: 10789052
Consumer Location: Unknown

Crash:Yes
Fire:Yes
Number of Injuries:6
Number of Deaths:1

Manufacturer: Tesla Motors, Inc.
Vehicle Identification No. (VIN): 5YJSA1DP3CF…

SUMMARY:
THIS IS THE STOLEN CAR WHICH CRASHED IN HOLLYWOOD. PHOTOGRAPHS AT THE SCENE SHOW 3/4 OF A WHEEL AND THE TIRE LYING ON THE GROUND.

THE CRASH SITE IMAGES HOW THE FRONT WHEEL BROKEN LOOSE.

THE SALVAGE YARD PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW THE OTHER 1/4 OF THE WHEEL STILL BOLTED TO THE BROKEN KINGPIN.

THE WHEEL HAS BEEN SLICED IN TWO WHILE STILL ROLLING ON THE ROAD.

IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THAT SLICING TO HAVE OCCURRED POST IMPACT.

THERE ARE 100,00 OF THESE CARS ON ROADS AROUND THE WORLD.

IF THIS WAS AN AIRCRAFT IT WOULD BE GROUNDED IMMEDIATELY.

I BELIEVE THIS DEFECT IS SO DANGEROUS THAT ALL CARS SHOULD BE TAKEN OFF THE ROAD BEFORE PEOPLE DIE.

THE ADDITION OF THE BETA RELEASE AUTOPILOT MAKES THE SITUATION EVEN MORE DANGEROUS.

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Re: Tesla model 3 conking out
Reply #255 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:55am

juliar wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:35am:

The seized up after being overheated by Global Warming "mind" of Tweedledee shows amazing lack of intelligence by copying my factual posts and adding some nondescript childish dribble. How dumb can you get ? Classic Greeny type not worth the paper she is printed on.

Now leaving the Greeny Garden of Make Believe and Fiction and back to the FACTS that have happened and are completely TRUE.

Do you want to end it all ? Then go for a ride in an unsafe Tesla.

NHTSA Tesla Suspension Complaints

Date Complaint Filed: 07/18/2016
Date of Incident: 07/18/2016

Component(s): STEERING , SUSPENSION

NHTSA ID Number: 10885723
Consumer Location: SAN DIEGO, CA
Crash:No
Fire:No
Number of Injuries:0
Number of Deaths:0
Manufacturer: Tesla Motors, Inc.
Vehicle Identification No. (VIN): 5YJSA1DP3CF…

SUMMARY:
NOTICED THIS PROBLEM AFTER I WAS BACKING UP AND TURNING MY WHEELS AND WOULD HEAR A LOUD METAL ON METAL “CLUNK” OR “GRINDING” SOUND.

IT WAS COMING FROM THE FRONT-LEFT SUSPENSION AND WOULD OCCUR CAUSING MY WHEEL AND STEERING TO FEEL LIKE IT WAS SKIPPING.

I NOTICED AND MY STEERING FELT “LOOSE” OVER BUMPS AND WOULD PULL TO THE LEFT.

AGAIN THE VEHICLE IS IN MOTION AND THIS WAS FELT THE MOST WHEN TURNING FULL MOTION AND/OR BACKING UP AND TURNING.

WHEN LOOKING AT ONE OF THE CONTROL-ARM JOINTS AFTER I NOTICED A VERY LOUD CLUNK AND COMPARING IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF OF THE SUSPENSION, IT LOOKS LIKE EITHER A BOLT FELL OUT OR THE BALL-JOINT TO THE CONTROL ARM WAS JUST GRINDING FREELY.

I’VE SINCE BROUGHT MY CAR TO TESLA AND THEY HAVE CONFIRMED THAT I HAVE A DEFECTIVE BALL-JOINT TO MY CONTROL ARM THAT'S ALSO DAMAGED MY STEERING KNUCKLE.

IF I DIDNT CATCH THIS OR IT WAS BROKE AT GREATER SPEEDS WHATS THE LIKELY HOOD OF ME LOOSING CONTROL?

I’VE ASKED IF THEY WILL REPLACE ALL THE OTHER PARTS IF THEY HAVE UPDATED PARTS BUT THEY SAID ONLY THE ITEMS THAT ARE DEFECTIVE IN THIS CASE WILL BE WARRANTED.

I SIMPLY DO NOT FEEL SAFE ANYMORE DRIVING THIS VEHICLE

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Complaint Filed: 11/08/2015
Date of Incident: 07/04/2014

Component(s): SUSPENSION

NHTSA ID Number: 10789052
Consumer Location: Unknown

Crash:Yes
Fire:Yes
Number of Injuries:6
Number of Deaths:1

Manufacturer: Tesla Motors, Inc.
Vehicle Identification No. (VIN): 5YJSA1DP3CF…

SUMMARY:
THIS IS THE STOLEN CAR WHICH CRASHED IN HOLLYWOOD. PHOTOGRAPHS AT THE SCENE SHOW 3/4 OF A WHEEL AND THE TIRE LYING ON THE GROUND.

THE CRASH SITE IMAGES HOW THE FRONT WHEEL BROKEN LOOSE.

THE SALVAGE YARD PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW THE OTHER 1/4 OF THE WHEEL STILL BOLTED TO THE BROKEN KINGPIN.

THE WHEEL HAS BEEN SLICED IN TWO WHILE STILL ROLLING ON THE ROAD.

IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THAT SLICING TO HAVE OCCURRED POST IMPACT.

THERE ARE 100,00 OF THESE CARS ON ROADS AROUND THE WORLD.

IF THIS WAS AN AIRCRAFT IT WOULD BE GROUNDED IMMEDIATELY.

I BELIEVE THIS DEFECT IS SO DANGEROUS THAT ALL CARS SHOULD BE TAKEN OFF THE ROAD BEFORE PEOPLE DIE.

THE ADDITION OF THE BETA RELEASE AUTOPILOT MAKES THE SITUATION EVEN MORE DANGEROUS.

""I BELIEVE THIS DEFECT IS SO DANGEROUS THAT ALL CARS SHOULD BE TAKEN OFF THE ROAD BEFORE PEOPLE DIE. ""

It would appear that the relevant authorities beg to differ

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Reply #256 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 7:02am

juliar wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 6:35am:

The seized up after being overheated by Global Warming "mind" of Tweedledee shows amazing lack of intelligence by copying my factual posts and adding some nondescript childish dribble. How dumb can you get ? Classic Greeny type not worth the paper she is printed on.

Now leaving the Greeny Garden of Make Believe and Fiction and back to the FACTS that have happened and are completely TRUE.

Do you want to end it all ? Then go for a ride in an unsafe Tesla.

NHTSA Tesla Suspension Complaints

Date Complaint Filed: 07/18/2016
Date of Incident: 07/18/2016

Component(s): STEERING , SUSPENSION

NHTSA ID Number: 10885723
Consumer Location: SAN DIEGO, CA
Crash:No
Fire:No
Number of Injuries:0
Number of Deaths:0
Manufacturer: Tesla Motors, Inc.
Vehicle Identification No. (VIN): 5YJSA1DP3CF…

SUMMARY:
NOTICED THIS PROBLEM AFTER I WAS BACKING UP AND TURNING MY WHEELS AND WOULD HEAR A LOUD METAL ON METAL “CLUNK” OR “GRINDING” SOUND.

IT WAS COMING FROM THE FRONT-LEFT SUSPENSION AND WOULD OCCUR CAUSING MY WHEEL AND STEERING TO FEEL LIKE IT WAS SKIPPING.

I NOTICED AND MY STEERING FELT “LOOSE” OVER BUMPS AND WOULD PULL TO THE LEFT.

AGAIN THE VEHICLE IS IN MOTION AND THIS WAS FELT THE MOST WHEN TURNING FULL MOTION AND/OR BACKING UP AND TURNING.

WHEN LOOKING AT ONE OF THE CONTROL-ARM JOINTS AFTER I NOTICED A VERY LOUD CLUNK AND COMPARING IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF OF THE SUSPENSION, IT LOOKS LIKE EITHER A BOLT FELL OUT OR THE BALL-JOINT TO THE CONTROL ARM WAS JUST GRINDING FREELY.

I’VE SINCE BROUGHT MY CAR TO TESLA AND THEY HAVE CONFIRMED THAT I HAVE A DEFECTIVE BALL-JOINT TO MY CONTROL ARM THAT'S ALSO DAMAGED MY STEERING KNUCKLE.

IF I DIDNT CATCH THIS OR IT WAS BROKE AT GREATER SPEEDS WHATS THE LIKELY HOOD OF ME LOOSING CONTROL?

I’VE ASKED IF THEY WILL REPLACE ALL THE OTHER PARTS IF THEY HAVE UPDATED PARTS BUT THEY SAID ONLY THE ITEMS THAT ARE DEFECTIVE IN THIS CASE WILL BE WARRANTED.

I SIMPLY DO NOT FEEL SAFE ANYMORE DRIVING THIS VEHICLE

.

Complaint Filed: 11/08/2015
Date of Incident: 07/04/2014

Component(s): SUSPENSION

NHTSA ID Number: 10789052
Consumer Location: Unknown

Crash:Yes
Fire:Yes
Number of Injuries:6
Number of Deaths:1

Manufacturer: Tesla Motors, Inc.
Vehicle Identification No. (VIN): 5YJSA1DP3CF…

SUMMARY:
THIS IS THE STOLEN CAR WHICH CRASHED IN HOLLYWOOD. PHOTOGRAPHS AT THE SCENE SHOW 3/4 OF A WHEEL AND THE TIRE LYING ON THE GROUND.

THE CRASH SITE IMAGES HOW THE FRONT WHEEL BROKEN LOOSE.

THE SALVAGE YARD PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW THE OTHER 1/4 OF THE WHEEL STILL BOLTED TO THE BROKEN KINGPIN.

THE WHEEL HAS BEEN SLICED IN TWO WHILE STILL ROLLING ON THE ROAD.

IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THAT SLICING TO HAVE OCCURRED POST IMPACT.

THERE ARE 100,00 OF THESE CARS ON ROADS AROUND THE WORLD.

IF THIS WAS AN AIRCRAFT IT WOULD BE GROUNDED IMMEDIATELY.

I BELIEVE THIS DEFECT IS SO DANGEROUS THAT ALL CARS SHOULD BE TAKEN OFF THE ROAD BEFORE PEOPLE DIE.

THE ADDITION OF THE BETA RELEASE AUTOPILOT MAKES THE SITUATION EVEN MORE DANGEROUS.

Following reports of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) probing Tesla over a possible problem with the Model S’ suspension and the automaker’s goodwill agreement, it came to light that several false and/or misleading complaints were filed with NHTSA.
A spokesperson for NHTSA confirmed that the agency has not found any safety issue with Tesla’s suspensions and that the company has clarified the language in its goodwill agreement

That’s because the owners of vehicles didn’t file the complaints, but someone named Keef Leech did, also known on the internet as Keef Wivaneff and other aliases.
Leech’s claim to fame is to have “busted” a scam to sell bogus “solar harvesting devices” in Australia. He describes himself as someone who “bust green scams” and for the past few years, this role can be summarized as “attacking” companies with an environmental aspect, like Tesla.
His “attacks” mainly take the form of online comments on articles about Tesla and other “green companies”. Keef has also been gathering and sharing pictures of crashed Tesla Model S vehicles. A reverse Google search on the pictures show that most of them were taken from salvage auction websites to sell vehicles totalled after severe crashes. Now with over 100,000 vehicles on the road, it’s more than normal for plenty of Teslas to have been involved in crashes and end up on those sites. We even covered a few of those crashes here on Electrek.
Some of the complaints made to NHTSA were based on the same pictures Leech has been gathering and the complaints suggested that the crashes had something to do with Tesla’s suspension even though the listing have little to no information on how the vehicles were damaged. It’s important to note that most car crashes are due to human errors, not car defect or part failure.
The NHTSA complaints were filed not long after Leech added salvaged pictures to his collection and he then would refer to them in his online comments without pointing out that he filed them:
[url]https://electrek.co/2016/06/13/tesla-fale-complaints-suspension-nhtsa-keef-wivan
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Give up Jules you have found another Australian crackpot to quote, Birds of a feather flock together... Cheesy

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Reply #257 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 7:21am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:44am:

In all honesty, I think I'd prefer someone with better spelling. Its hard to read.

https://insideevs.com/porsche-audi-tesla-model-3-teardown/
Here u go someone that can actually put a sentence together....

It seems Tesla is making incredible progress with its Model 3 manufacturing materials and process.
According to a recent report by Germany’s Manager-Magazin via Electrek, Porsche and Audi have taken a step back, and may be planning for a new direction after reverse-engineering the Tesla Model 3. Teardowns and reverse-engineering processes are commonplace in the automotive industry. This is especially true when new products are revealed, and, of course, when new competing products are in the pipeline.
The Porsche and Audi engineers have to change [the Premium Platform Electric program] because Tesla’s Model 3 has gotten better than they thought.
The report goes on to say that the companies are concerned their cars are going to be too expensive. While Porsche seems okay with losing money initially, Audi doesn’t want to deal with a loss. The most substantial cost prohibitor is the vehicle’s battery pack, which Tesla is fortunate to build in partnership with Panasonic at its Nevada Gigafactory — the largest battery factory on the planet at this point and growing daily.
The e-tron as the first electric Audi is not only late. It does not reach some target values and has become far too expensive with more than two billion euros in development costs. The approximately 600,000 cars sold for the break-even are now regarded as an illusion.

This is why there are no Manufacturers competing against Tesla … yet Wink

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Reply #258 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 7:50am

Pumpkin is so horrified he just can't cope with the terrible facts.

And the dumbell tweedledee just continues to embarrass herself.

Date Complaint Filed: 08/19/2016
Date of Incident: 01/01/2016
Component(s): SUSPENSION
NHTSA ID Number: 10897285
Consumer Location: Unknown
Crash:No
Fire:Yes
Number of Injuries:0
Number of Deaths:0
Manufacturer: Tesla Motors, Inc.
Vehicle Identification No. (VIN): 5YJSA1CP8DF…

SUMMARY:
HERE IS AN AUCTION LISTING OF A TESLA THAT HAS CAUGHT FIRE.

THE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW THAT THE LH TOP BALL-JOINT HAS PULLED OUT FROM THE STEERING KNUCKLE. THIS IS NOT THE RESULT OF THE FIRE BECAUSE THOSE PARTS ARE SOLID METAL AND NEITHER THE STEERING KNUCKLE NOR THE WISHBONE HAVE MELTED.

THE SUSPENSION FAILURE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PATTERN OF SIMILAR FAILURES THAT APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN THE CAUSE OF CRASHES. PLEASE INVESTIGATE THIS RECURRING FAILURE.

Put that pic of that model S on a large monitor and look at the control arms (those are the sheared pieces sticking out of the wheel) and tell yourself that is any where near acceptable for any auto of any price. The long shaft sticking out is the front axle, easily capable of slicing through a battery pack, or worse, another civilian windshield. Is this worth it? Is this really the path to saving the planet? Who looks at that and says “that’s is the car I want to take my kids to school in”. Or better yet a company I want to invest in? It’s like we are in the twilight zone, Elon has the whole library to himself, and he broke his glasses.

Holy crap!
Look at the whompy wheels. The front one is sliced completely in half.
SOMEBODY is telling huge porkies!

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Reply #259 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 7:53am

juliar wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 7:50am:

Pumpkin is so horrified he just can't cope with the terrible facts.

And the dumbell tweedledee just continues to embarrass herself.

Date Complaint Filed: 08/19/2016
Date of Incident: 01/01/2016
Component(s): SUSPENSION
NHTSA ID Number: 10897285
Consumer Location: Unknown
Crash:No
Fire:Yes
Number of Injuries:0
Number of Deaths:0
Manufacturer: Tesla Motors, Inc.
Vehicle Identification No. (VIN): 5YJSA1CP8DF…

SUMMARY:
HERE IS AN AUCTION LISTING OF A TESLA THAT HAS CAUGHT FIRE.

THE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW THAT THE LH TOP BALL-JOINT HAS PULLED OUT FROM THE STEERING KNUCKLE. THIS IS NOT THE RESULT OF THE FIRE BECAUSE THOSE PARTS ARE SOLID METAL AND NEITHER THE STEERING KNUCKLE NOR THE WISHBONE HAVE MELTED.

THE SUSPENSION FAILURE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PATTERN OF SIMILAR FAILURES THAT APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN THE CAUSE OF CRASHES. PLEASE INVESTIGATE THIS RECURRING FAILURE.

Put that pic of that model S on a large monitor and look at the control arms (those are the sheared pieces sticking out of the wheel) and tell yourself that is any where near acceptable for any auto of any price. The long shaft sticking out is the front axle, easily capable of slicing through a battery pack, or worse, another civilian windshield. Is this worth it? Is this really the path to saving the planet? Who looks at that and says “that’s is the car I want to take my kids to school in”. Or better yet a company I want to invest in? It’s like we are in the twilight zone, Elon has the whole library to himself, and he broke his glasses.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/ec7f6f293b94f45b8ec4724589ef...

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/optimized/1X/a738c771db15373069451c23cb8...
Holy crap!
Look at the whompy wheels. The front one is sliced completely in half.
SOMEBODY is telling huge porkies!

No horror here sunshine, But posting a few links from some clowns site with the same distorted view as yourself doesn't qualify as facts lol

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Reply #260 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 8:07am

juliar wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 7:50am:

Pumpkin is so horrified he just can't cope with the terrible facts.

And the dumbell tweedledee just continues to embarrass herself.

Date Complaint Filed: 08/19/2016
Date of Incident: 01/01/2016
Component(s): SUSPENSION
NHTSA ID Number: 10897285
Consumer Location: Unknown
Crash:No
Fire:Yes
Number of Injuries:0
Number of Deaths:0
Manufacturer: Tesla Motors, Inc.
Vehicle Identification No. (VIN): 5YJSA1CP8DF…

SUMMARY:
HERE IS AN AUCTION LISTING OF A TESLA THAT HAS CAUGHT FIRE.

THE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW THAT THE LH TOP BALL-JOINT HAS PULLED OUT FROM THE STEERING KNUCKLE. THIS IS NOT THE RESULT OF THE FIRE BECAUSE THOSE PARTS ARE SOLID METAL AND NEITHER THE STEERING KNUCKLE NOR THE WISHBONE HAVE MELTED.

THE SUSPENSION FAILURE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PATTERN OF SIMILAR FAILURES THAT APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN THE CAUSE OF CRASHES. PLEASE INVESTIGATE THIS RECURRING FAILURE.

Put that pic of that model S on a large monitor and look at the control arms (those are the sheared pieces sticking out of the wheel) and tell yourself that is any where near acceptable for any auto of any price. The long shaft sticking out is the front axle, easily capable of slicing through a battery pack, or worse, another civilian windshield. Is this worth it? Is this really the path to saving the planet? Who looks at that and says “that’s is the car I want to take my kids to school in”. Or better yet a company I want to invest in? It’s like we are in the twilight zone, Elon has the whole library to himself, and he broke his glasses.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/ec7f6f293b94f45b8ec4724589ef...

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/optimized/1X/a738c771db15373069451c23cb8...
Holy crap!
Look at the whompy wheels. The front one is sliced completely in half.
SOMEBODY is telling huge porkies!

More stuff from KeefWivaneff's site... he is a Australian Crackpot Jules do u really want to be with this fraud ? Cheesy

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Reply #262 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 12:27pm

Pumpkin is a classic armchair arm waver who hasn't got a clue what he is talking about and just wants to make a noise.

Lift your game Pumpkin if you want to be taken seriously and don't just knock and mock what you don't understand.

The guy you dare to criticize is in a junkyard and sees lots of these mangled Teslas getting towed in and is in a very good position to assess them as simply unsafe as the suspension is just too weak to support the very heavy battery.

As usual Greeny Tweedledumb is just ignored as just a waste of space that is not worth feeding.

Now just to learn Pumpkin a bit - another unsafe Tesla to gaze at while you sit in your armchair.

Now Pumpkin how would you like to be cruising down the freeway at 100km/h when the suspension breaks and a wheel comes of and the suspension digs into the road and spins the car around smashing into cars in the adjacent lanes.

Complaint Number: 10907010
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1E28GF129847
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Model S in the salvage yard.

The LH front steering knuckle has snapped in half.

The steel bumper bar which extends almost the full width of the car is undamaged.

It is most unlikely that the damage to the front suspension was the result of the crash.

It is far more likely that it was the cause of it. Please investigate why so many examples of snapped suspensions are occurring on Teslas than on any comparable vehicle.

When did this happen? 09/01/2016
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 30
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000

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Reply #263 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 12:43pm

juliar wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 12:27pm:

Pumpkin is a classic armchair arm waver who hasn't got a clue what he is talking about and just wants to make a noise.

Lift your game Pumpkin if you want to be taken seriously and don't just knock and mock what you don't understand.

The guy you dare to criticize is in a junkyard and sees lots of these mangled Teslas getting towed in and is in a very good position to assess them as simply unsafe as the suspension is just too weak to support the very heavy battery.

As usual Greeny Tweedledumb is just ignored as just a waste of space that is not worth feeding.

Now just to learn Pumpkin a bit - another unsafe Tesla to gaze at while you sit in your armchair.

Now Pumpkin how would you like to be cruising down the freeway at 100km/h when the suspension breaks and a wheel comes of and the suspension digs into the road and spins the car around smashing into cars in the adjacent lanes.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/optimized/1X/9a009a0f413b1179a07de5989f8...

Complaint Number: 10907010
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1E28GF129847
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Model S in the salvage yard.

The LH front steering knuckle has snapped in half.

The steel bumper bar which extends almost the full width of the car is undamaged.

It is most unlikely that the damage to the front suspension was the result of the crash.

It is far more likely that it was the cause of it. Please investigate why so many examples of snapped suspensions are occurring on Teslas than on any comparable vehicle.

When did this happen? 09/01/2016
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 30
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000

Jules I could find 100's of pics of vehicles that have lost wheels..

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Reply #264 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 12:50pm

Pumpkin, just stay in your armchair waving your arms and mock and knock.

Don't do any actual research to discover the TRUE FACTS as I have done extensively.

You know zero about the topic and don't want to go to the trouble to find out.

The FACT is the unsafe Tesla has a faulty suspension with weak aluminium parts that grow brittle and break and a wheel falls off.

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Reply #265 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 1:13pm

juliar wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 12:50pm:

Pumpkin, just stay in your armchair waving your arms and mock and knock.

Don't do any actual research to discover the TRUE FACTS as I have done extensively.

You know zero about the topic and don't want to go to the trouble to find out.

The FACT is the unsafe Tesla has a faulty suspension with weak aluminium parts that grow brittle and break and a wheel falls off.

f.ckoff socko. Why don't you do us all a favour and go and play in the traffic. Cheesy

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Reply #267 - Feb 23^rd, 2019 at 10:04am

BigP wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 12:43pm:

juliar wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 12:27pm:

Pumpkin is a classic armchair arm waver who hasn't got a clue what he is talking about and just wants to make a noise.

Lift your game Pumpkin if you want to be taken seriously and don't just knock and mock what you don't understand.

The guy you dare to criticize is in a junkyard and sees lots of these mangled Teslas getting towed in and is in a very good position to assess them as simply unsafe as the suspension is just too weak to support the very heavy battery.

As usual Greeny Tweedledumb is just ignored as just a waste of space that is not worth feeding.

Now just to learn Pumpkin a bit - another unsafe Tesla to gaze at while you sit in your armchair.

Now Pumpkin how would you like to be cruising down the freeway at 100km/h when the suspension breaks and a wheel comes of and the suspension digs into the road and spins the car around smashing into cars in the adjacent lanes.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/optimized/1X/9a009a0f413b1179a07de5989f8...

Complaint Number: 10907010
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1E28GF129847
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Model S in the salvage yard.

The LH front steering knuckle has snapped in half.

The steel bumper bar which extends almost the full width of the car is undamaged.

It is most unlikely that the damage to the front suspension was the result of the crash.

It is far more likely that it was the cause of it. Please investigate why so many examples of snapped suspensions are occurring on Teslas than on any comparable vehicle.

When did this happen? 09/01/2016
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 30
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000

Jules I could find 100's of pics of vehicles that have lost wheels..

The guy is not in the wreaking business and lives in Australia Keef Wivaneff…. he gets pictures from google and submits anonymous reports to the USA transport department and uses a bogus American address to do it, doesn't get the VIN number right or the owner names He is a crack pot ...…. check your facts Cheesy

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Reply #268 - Feb 24^th, 2019 at 4:03pm

Greeny Tweedledee is lying as usual because she is a Tesla FanGirl who thinks Tesla is the best thing since sliced bread and of course can do no wrong.

Sounds like Tesla is as badly designed as Greeny Tweedledee's muddled mangled missing "mind" fried by Globally Warming and rendered sterile and functionless by exposure to high concentrations of dangerous poisonous levels of Carbon Dioxide!!!

But the actual factual pictures DO NOT LIE as they are evidence of ACTUAL FACTUAL design faults in the obviously unsafe Tesla piles of junk.

Wonder if the Chinese built copies of the Teslas will be full of Chinese copy design faults ?

Now more downers about the unsafe Teslas which you get into at your own risk and wait for a wheel to fall off and CCRRAASSHHH!!!!!

Elon Musk Would Prefer We Not See These 19 Tesla Pictures
BY ELIAS ROBERTS – ON FEB 22, 2019 IN MOTOR HUB

Prior to his success with Tesla, Musk was known as the co-founder of PayPal and a savvy tech entrepreneur with companies like SpaceX and Neuralink. However, the introduction of the Tesla brand completely changed everything for Musk.

Specializing in electric cars, along with the aid of his other company SolarCity, Musk wowed the consumers with a stunning concept. As of last summer, the stunning concepts turned into realities. Nowadays, the Models, Model X and Model 3 are all available. This was a long time coming considering the company first launched back in the summer of 2003 – lots of work went into the production and development of these high tech rides. Clearly, the project worked and now Tesla is among the most popular car brands in the world with sales skyrocketing each year.

It isn’t all good, however. With such technology, there’s bound to be problems with the car. That’s exactly what took place, even as early as the first models to be sold. The same problems continue today with Tesla facing various court battles whether it be due to their faulty battery pack system or faulty Autopilot mode that has caused a lot of headaches in the past. Let’s not even start to discuss the running out of power issue, we’ll see plenty of that in this article.

As great as Tesla is, the company still has a lot of problems. In this article, we’ll take a look at some of them in the form of candid images. Enjoy the article folks and like always be sure to share it with a friend. Let’s get started.

19 NO DRAINAGE SYSTEM FOR TRUNK

via Motor Illustrated

Recent Tesla models include a lot of improved features. However, according to Motor Illustrated, the company took a step backward with the Model 3. Although the design seems to be visually appealing, the trunk has a serious defect. When opening the trunk, the back of the car doesn’t have a drainage system which leads to everything getting wet in the event that it rains. Once you pop the trunk open, in all likelihood, all the water just slips into the trunk area.

The same site notes that this can also turn into a serious issue during the winter time with snow. Basically, you’ll only get lucky in California with this faulty feature.

18 ROAD TRIP PROBLEMS

via Twitter

Time and time again, we see Tesla owners making the claim that the vehicle might be too advanced for its own good. This Twitter user seems to agree as his road trip completely stalled out of nowhere.

He was 1,200 miles away from his destination when the car computer crashed. Several warnings came up on the screen including, vehicle shutting down, car needs service and air suspension needs service. Those aren’t the things anyone wants to see during a road trip. This just gives people the impression that Tesla isn’t a reliable ride for long trips.

17 MODEL 3 CAN’T GET OUT OF THE SNOW

via YouTube

Even with traction control on, YouTuber Joshua Schultz couldn’t get his Tesla out of the snowy terrain. Instead, he was forced into wedging it out attached to another truck that was accustomed to such terrains.

According to the same video, the Model 3 might need different types of wheels when it comes to navigating rigorous conditions like snowy or muddy areas. Once again, this gives some car buyers the impression that the ride is only capable in warmer climates like out in California. Taking it for a spin during the winter months in places like Montreal might not be the best idea, especially with its original tires on.

Read all about the other 16 design faults in the unsafe Teslas here. Jaguar and the others will have NO COMPETITION when they launch their Tesla killers.

https://www.hotcars.com/elon-musk-would-prefer-we-not-see-these-tesla-pictures/4...

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Reply #269 - Feb 25^th, 2019 at 1:36am

100 ONE FREAKING HUNDRED!!!

Complaint Number: 10928135
Vehicle Identification Number: 5yjsa1dn0dfp21122
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2013
Note: Your VIN, make, model, and year are all protected under the Privacy Act.

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
This is the car which swerved over a cliff and killed the driver.

I have attached photographs that show not only that the steering knuckle has snapped but the tread is worn off the tire. This can only have happened while the car was driving on the road. This was almost certainly the cause of the crash.

This same effect of snapped suspension with worn tire can be seen in many other Tesla crashes… Since about 2015 Tesla has redesigned the steering knuckle to a solid H-section instead of the hollow die-cast original.

There should be a recall to replace all of the earlier fragile versions.

When did this happen? 12/30/2014
Was there a Crash? Yes
Was there a Police Report? Yes
Were Vehicles Towed? Yes
Was there a Fire? No

Was there an injury or fatality? Yes
Number of fatalities: 1

Number of injuries
Medical Attention Required? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 60

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Reply #271 - Feb 25^th, 2019 at 2:51am

For all the Tesla Fan Boys and Fan Girls including Tweedledumb and Tweedledee out there in dreamland.

How many problems has your Tesla given you over the years?

Top Problems:

Tesla mileage claims are a lie.
They claim 251 miles per charge. I get 110. Reasons: Tesla repeatedly warns you at each charge to charge only to 80% of full charge to “save their battery”. Their “requirement” costs you 50 miles per charge. You can only achieve the remaining 200 miles per charge by not using either the Air Conditioner or Heater both of which severely drain the battery and cut your remaining 200 miles in half depending on where you live. I live in Florida and that's why I’m down to 110 miles per charge. I really pity anyone in Duluth tying to heat their car in 20 below weather. Can they even make it out of their driveway having just a battery drive the car’s space heater?

A Tesla car is totally driven by Testa’s software which is full of bugs.
I have had my car reboot on numerous occasions which causes your phone calls, climate control, sound system, etc to stop while the car reboots? Then your settings don’t reset to their last settings. Even when the car does not reboot, settings mysterious change which driving. I have had my heated seats randomly turn on, my USB stereo system switch to streaming, etc, etc. When I bought the car in 2018, there was a bug where the car would not play an MP3 via the USB port, which was not fixed by Tesla for months. After a recent software update, Tesla decided to scramble all of the cars setting and control location on the screen. Imagine getting into your car and finding nothing that you used to control your car’s climate, sound system, phone, GPS, etc. is where you expected it to be. How stupid is that? I wonder how many accidents occurred resulting from the confusion Tesla created by scrambling the controls with no apparent benefit to anyone.

The key Fob has a very weak signal even with a new battery.
If my cell phone is anywhere near the key Fob, the doors will not open and often the same thing happens even when there is no cell phone. One time I accidentally locked the key in the car and it would not open (even though it is suppose to open in such situations) until I hitched a ride home to get my spare key. Tesla - are you kidding?? Can’t Tesla even make a “battery operated” key correctly?? Even the design of the key FOB itself is poor and it won’t even fit on a key chain without a special string adapter.

The center console I’m sorry to say was designed by an idiot.
The upper console section blocks about 1/3 of the lower console underneath it. When the upper console lid is closed, the contents of the upper console fall into the lower console when you stop the car. When you accelerate the car, the contents from the lower console slide backwards preventing the upper console from opening. You then must contort and slide you arm under the upper console to free the upper console door and find what dropped out of it and is hidden under the upper console. While doing this, the automatic door on the lower console closes on you arm, making you feel like one of the 3 stooges with your arm stuck in the console.

The floor mats are held to the floor just by velcro and not clips to the frame, as done in most other cars (even non-luxury cars).
As a result the floors mats cannot be held in place, bunch up and effect your ability to properly break or use the accelerator. This is a major safety hazard which should cause a recall of all model s cars to correct.

In a recent software update, Tesla blocked the car from starting for about a minute during which a notice flashes on the console to wait while the car “powers up”.
So don’t plan on using this car for a bank robbery for a quick get away. Its really annoying if your in a hurry. It also raises a concern as to why Tesla made this change only recently. Where car batteries exploding from an immediate startup?. Also, when you start the car when it is cold you may hear a loud bang out the rear end of the car, which the Tesla service rep claimed was “normal”. I guess Tesla is trying to emulate how a model T started in the early 1900s?? Wow what a high tech car.

I give Tesla creative credit for adding an “on demand” fart sound to the under seat speakers of the car in their latest software update. Its funny and a necessary function of any luxury car. All they need to do to complete the effect is to add some “gas” emissions to the car.

Tesla should stick to selling batteries to mature auto manufactures who have decades of experience properly human engineering cars and not lie to anyone about the realistic mileage range per charge.

And no discussion of unsafe Teslas would be complete without a Tesla, X here, crash

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Reply #273 - Feb 27^th, 2019 at 8:41pm

Badluck socko none of your silly posts have had any effects on Tesla sales Cheesy

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Tesla is a top priority for automakers, says BMW dealer who admits Model 3 is affecting sales

https://electrek.co/2019/02/21/tesla-top-priority-automakers-bmw-dealer-model-3-...

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Finding a way to mitigate Tesla’s impact is now a top priority for some automakers, according to one of the largest car dealer groups in the US who admits that Model 3 is affecting its BMW sales.
The comment was made by Jeff Dyke, President of Sonic Automotive, a company that operates over 100 car dealerships for many different brands in the US.

Sonic reported its financial results for the last quarter this week and its BMW sales were noticeably bad.

On the company’s earnings call yesterday, Dyke was asked if he sees Model 3 having an impact and he answered:

“There’s no question. I mean… they’re calling out to sell well over 300,000 cars this year, they sold a lot of cars last year. […] you can say all you want about their service problems and all of this, they just keep selling more cars. And I don’t know if it’s more of a cult than it is anything else, but my hat off to them. They’re selling lots of cars [..]”

Furthermore, Dyke says that he gathers from meetings with automakers that combating Tesla is now a top priority

He continued:

“I can tell you that I’ve spent a lot of time in manufacturer meetings and five years ago Tesla was just not even a real big topic and today it’s the top of everybody’s board and it needs to be.”

Dyke says that Audi, one of the brands they are selling, is doing a “good job” to come out with electric vehicles to compete with Tesla, but he thinks that BMW needs to do more.

Audi has at least one new all-electric vehicle lined up every year starting this year.

BMW has the Mini Electric coming later this year, but its real EV push is expected to start next year with its next-generation electric powertrain and the new BMW iX3.

Electrek’s Take
This is great. It was always Tesla’s goal to light a fire under other automakers to accelerate their EV programs and going after their sales is the best way to do it.

Last year, Tesla revealed the top 5 cars Tesla Model 3 buyers are trading in and the Prius topped the list:

Toyota Prius
BMW 3-Series
Honda Accord
Honda Civic
Nissan Leaf
Toyota recently admitted that the Tesla Model 3 is affecting Prius sales and they even said that Tesla is currently responsible for half of Toyota’s owner defection rate.

Now it looks like BMW dealers are also confirming that Model 3 is affecting them.

If that doesn’t push them to come out with better all-electric vehicles sooner, I don’t know what will… other than regulations, but that’s not happening in the US — at least not right now.

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Reply #274 - Feb 27^th, 2019 at 10:01pm

The silly dumb Tweedledumb posts the same irrelevant rubbish here as well.

But to point poor Tweedledumb's weak feeble addled mind in the right direction here is another unsafe Tesla where the weak suspension breaks and a wheel comes off and possibly a nice big CRRASSSHHH!!!!

If you are driving along and you see one of those unsafe Tesla things then KEEP WELL CLEAR because you never know when a wheel might fall off!!!!

Now another unsafe Tesla failure.

On June 29th, 2016 just before noon, I was driving my Model S 85D with my 8-year old son sitting next to me. We had turned on to the A2 in Holland towards Amsterdam, after a short break for charging bodies and batteries at the Eindhoven Supercharger. Our goal was Walibi, an amusement park with enough roller coasters to satisfy us both.

It was a true Telsa road-trip. Stockholm, Malmö, Backen in Denmark - the oldest amusement park in the world, the Tropical Islands water park outside of Berlin, Netherlands, Belgium, Paris and the Loire valley in France. We had turned back and were heading home, and the plan was to stop at as many amusement parks as we could. We had been driving fast on the autobahn, to feel what its like. We had been slipstreaming at 85km/h behind trailers in France to see how far we could go on a single charge. My son is a true Tesla enthusiast, and this trip was the greatest thing we’d ever done together.

We stopped at the last Supercharger in Belgium before the Netherlands the evening before, and re-stowed everything in the car. I felt it was wrong, an unnecessary risk, to have boxes of French wines, 1.5kg boule-balls and books laying loose in the back seat and trunk. Everything was secured so that it wouldn't come loose in case something would happen.

As I turn on the A2 I decide to drive at the speed limits, without the autopilot. Active driving to stay focused and sharp, at 130km/h, and we would arrive in good time at the park.

I stay in the middle lane on the 3-lane highway. This is the last decision that I remember as driver of the car. On the A2 136L the car rolls on the side to the left. The first thing I remember is the sound of the doors against the asphalt.

I was probably knocked out for a second by the airbags. I saw my son above me, looking straight at me. He said, loudly but without shouting, “What is happening, daddy?”. There was no fear in his voice, just the question. The car continued straight ahead, rolling over sideways, bounced off the roof, continued the roll and bounced on the roof again. The inside had been transformed into an inflatable castle. There were giant airbags everywhere, except for the front airbags in the steering wheel and above the glove compartment.

Eventually we came to a stop, on what was left of the wheels. We had been going straight as a spinning arrow and rolled around 2.5 times. I checked that I didn’t have any injuries that would make me go unconscious. There were glass everywhere. My son bent forward and took his cellphone out. “We’ve been in an accident, dad. We have to call 112”.

Is this what is waiting around the bend for every person in danger in an unsafe Tesla accident waiting to happen ?

Notice closely how the wheels have come off!!!!!

Once the reputable manufacturers move in Tesla will go under.

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Reply #277 - Feb 28^th, 2019 at 11:47am

Now the silly Greeny fool Tweedledumb is lying and unsuccessfully trying to dispute FACTUAL EVIDENCE and what's worse the creep is smelling the fear coming from her smelly armpits again.

It is all too much for her tiny messed up mind to grasp.

Now a normal wheel dropping off day in the life of a death defying Tesla driver. Do Tesla owners have a Death Wish ?

Date Complaint Filed: 10/09/2016
Date of Incident: 10/05/2016
Component(s): SUSPENSION, WHEELS
NHTSA ID Number: 10914970
Consumer Location: SEATTLE, WA

Crash:No
Fire:No
Number of Injuries:0
Number of Deaths:0
Manufacturer: Tesla Motors, Inc.
Vehicle Identification No. (VIN): 5YJSA1H25FF…

SUMMARY:
I WAS DRIVING MY CAR TO WORK AND ACCIDENTALLY SCRAPED THE FRONT RIGHT WHEEL ON A CURB NEAR A ROUNDABOUT ON AN OLD/NARROW SEATTLE STREET (THERE WAS ONCOMING TRAFFIC AND PARKED CARS SO I HAD VERY LITTLE ROOM ON MY RIGHT AND MIS-JUDGED).

THE PAINT ON THE WHEEL WAS PRETTY BADLY SCRAPED UP BUT OTHERWISE THE CAR WAS FINE (NO BODY DAMAGE) AND THE WHEEL HAD NO VISUAL STRUCTURAL DAMAGE (THE CAR’S ALIGNMENT WAS NOT AFFECTED).

I CONTINUED DRIVING TO WORK WITHOUT ISSUE, INCLUDING 5-6 MILES ON THE HIGHWAY AT 60MPH.

WHEN PARKING IN THE UNDERGROUND GARAGE AT MY OFFICE 20 MINUTES AFTER THE CURB INCIDENT, I TURNED THE WHEEL TO THE LEFT TO ADJUST MY CAR IN THE PARKING SPOT AND HEARD/FELT A RUBBING SOUND, FOLLOWED BY A LOUD CLUNK.

THE FRONT RIGHT OF THE CAR DROPPED AND THE WHEEL FELL OFF THE SUSPENSION AND WAS WEDGED UNDER THE FRONT OF THE CAR.

THE CAR WAS DISABLED AND HAD TO BE TOWED TO TESLA.

GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF FORCE APPLIED TO THE WHEEL BY THE CURB AND THE LACK OF OTHER SYMPTOMS, IT SEEMS UNLIKELY THAT ANY NORMAL, STOCK SUSPENSION SHOULD FAIL AS IT DID WITH THIS CAR.

IT APPEARS A BOLT ON THE LOWER CONTROL ARM SHEARED OFF COMPLETELY WHEN I WAS PARKING (AND HAD PROBABLY BEEN FATIGUED BY THE CURBING INCIDENT).

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Reply #278 - Feb 28^th, 2019 at 2:31pm

How about this for facts socko Cheesy

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Tesla is a top priority for automakers, says BMW dealer who admits Model 3 is affecting sales

https://electrek.co/2019/02/21/tesla-top-priority-automakers-bmw-dealer-model-3-...

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Finding a way to mitigate Tesla’s impact is now a top priority for some automakers, according to one of the largest car dealer groups in the US who admits that Model 3 is affecting its BMW sales.
The comment was made by Jeff Dyke, President of Sonic Automotive, a company that operates over 100 car dealerships for many different brands in the US.

Sonic reported its financial results for the last quarter this week and its BMW sales were noticeably bad.

On the company’s earnings call yesterday, Dyke was asked if he sees Model 3 having an impact and he answered:

“There’s no question. I mean… they’re calling out to sell well over 300,000 cars this year, they sold a lot of cars last year. […] you can say all you want about their service problems and all of this, they just keep selling more cars. And I don’t know if it’s more of a cult than it is anything else, but my hat off to them. They’re selling lots of cars [..]”

Furthermore, Dyke says that he gathers from meetings with automakers that combating Tesla is now a top priority

He continued:

“I can tell you that I’ve spent a lot of time in manufacturer meetings and five years ago Tesla was just not even a real big topic and today it’s the top of everybody’s board and it needs to be.”

Dyke says that Audi, one of the brands they are selling, is doing a “good job” to come out with electric vehicles to compete with Tesla, but he thinks that BMW needs to do more.

Audi has at least one new all-electric vehicle lined up every year starting this year.

BMW has the Mini Electric coming later this year, but its real EV push is expected to start next year with its next-generation electric powertrain and the new BMW iX3.

Electrek’s Take
This is great. It was always Tesla’s goal to light a fire under other automakers to accelerate their EV programs and going after their sales is the best way to do it.

Last year, Tesla revealed the top 5 cars Tesla Model 3 buyers are trading in and the Prius topped the list:

Toyota Prius
BMW 3-Series
Honda Accord
Honda Civic
Nissan Leaf
Toyota recently admitted that the Tesla Model 3 is affecting Prius sales and they even said that Tesla is currently responsible for half of Toyota’s owner defection rate.

Now it looks like BMW dealers are also confirming that Model 3 is affecting them.

If that doesn’t push them to come out with better all-electric vehicles sooner, I don’t know what will… other than regulations, but that’s not happening in the US — at least not right now.

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Reply #280 - Feb 28^th, 2019 at 7:27pm

bellamor,

you share the fear about the unsafe Tesla toy cars. Anyone who gets into an unsafe Tesla is taking his life into his own hands. The Lithium battery is a fire bomb just waiting to happen.

And silly old Tweedledumb is lying non stop as she is a Tesla Fan Girl who thinks Tesla can do no wrong and is the best thing since sliced bread.

And now back to the FACTS.

Complaint Number: 10908787
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1E21FF120311
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2015
Note: Your VIN, make, model, and year are all protected under the Privacy Act.

What part of your car was affected? Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Tesla in the salvage yard.

The ball joint has pulled out from the steering knuckle causing the wheel to slew back into the wheel well.

The wheel liner is shredded.

There is no impact damage forward of the wheel that would account for the damage.

Tesla suspensions are failing in a variety of ways which suggests that the design, manufacture, and testing are inadequate and present a hazard to the public. Please investigate.

When did this happen? 09/01/2016
Was there a Crash? No
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40

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Reply #281 - Feb 28^th, 2019 at 9:24pm

Yeh don't forget the fire extinguisher if you own a jeep Sad

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fiat-chrysler-verdict-jeep/u-s-jury-awards-15...

U.S. jury awards $150 million for Jeep fuel-tank fire death

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A U.S. jury in Georgia on Thursday awarded $150 million to a family that sued Chrysler Group LLC for the 2012 death of their 4-year-old in a fiery crash involving a 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a rear fuel tank.

Following a nearly two-week trial in Decatur County, Georgia, jurors said Chrysler, a unit of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, was liable for the death of Remington Walden and failed to warn customers that the tank’s position could increase the risk of fire in a rear-end crash.

Chrysler previously recalled 1.56 million Jeep SUVs with rear fuel tanks, although the 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee in which Walden was riding was not among them.

The jury, which began deliberating Thursday afternoon, said Chrysler acted with “reckless and wanton disregard” and ordered it to pay 99 percent of the damages. The driver of the vehicle that rear-ended the Grand Cherokee was responsible for the other 1 percent.

Walden was killed when the Jeep he was riding in was struck from behind, rupturing the fuel tank and creating an “inferno,” according to Jim Butler, a lawyer for the family. Had the fuel tank been placed farther forward on the vehicle, he said, it would have been better protected.

Concerns over fuel-tank placement prompted Chrysler to announce in 2013 that it would recall 1993-1998 Jeep Grand Cherokees, along with the Jeep Libertys from model years 2002-2007. The company also said it would conduct a “customer satisfaction campaign” for 1999-2004 Jeep Grand Cherokees.

The announcement came after Chrysler initially denied there was a safety issue. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has linked more than 50 deaths to the fuel-tank issues.

Chrysler’s lawyers said at trial that the fire did not cause Walden’s death and blamed the driver of the other vehicle. Fiat Chrysler Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne, whose pre-recorded testimony was played during trial, said that regulators never found a defect in the 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee and that there was no evidence the vehicle was dangerous. Reuters viewed the proceedings on Courtroom View Network.

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Poor silly old intelligence impoverished Greeny TESLA FAN GIRL Tweedledumb has got a flat battery and is in snail mode now trying to bring in OFF TOPIC SPAM irrelevancies.

But then what else would you expect from such a consummate utter dumb Greeny twit ?

The TOPIC is about unsafe TESLA piles of junk.

Now back to the reality of the unsafe toy cars made by the unprofitable Tesla.

Complaint Number: 10954963
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1E25FF106184
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2015
Note: Your VIN, make, model, and year are all protected under the Privacy Act.

What part of your car was affected? Suspension, Unknown or Other

What happened?

The attached photograph shows that the top ball joint on the front RH wheel has separated causing gouging of the tire tread.

The wheel is displaced towards the rear of the wheel well which is most likely the cause of the fire.

The fire has been hot enough to melt metal so it is almost certain that the Lithium batteries were the source of the fire.

Please investigate the problems with Tesla suspensions and also the issue of battery fires.

Lithium battery fires burn burn extremely hot, emit toxic fumes, and are difficult to extinguish.

I request that you investigate the circumstances of this incident. I am not the owner, just a very concerned citizen. Date of incident is an approximation.

When did this happen? 01/01/2017
Was there a Crash? No

Was there a Fire? Yes

Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 30
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 5000

Would you risk life and limb in one of these death cars ?

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Tesla Model 3 gets called out for reliability issues

The more affordable Tesla electric car is one of the most anticipated new vehicles this year but some owners report major faults.

Tesla has experienced another embarrassing setback.
The car maker’s all-important Model 3 has been called out for a string of reliability issues.

American organisation Consumer Reports — which is similar to Australia’s Choice — savaged the brand in its latest reliability report.

Common issues afflicting the Model 3 include faulty infotainment functions (including instances of screen freezing), faulty paint, randomly cracking rear windows and numerous other hardware issues.
Last year, some Model 3 bumpers fell off when it rained.

Numerous faults led Consumer Reports to give the Model 3 a “do not recommend” rating.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/motoring-news/tesla-model...

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Tesla Model 3 gets called out for reliability issues

The more affordable Tesla electric car is one of the most anticipated new vehicles this year but some owners report major faults.

Tesla has experienced another embarrassing setback.
The car maker’s all-important Model 3 has been called out for a string of reliability issues.

American organisation Consumer Reports — which is similar to Australia’s Choice — savaged the brand in its latest reliability report.

Common issues afflicting the Model 3 include faulty infotainment functions (including instances of screen freezing), faulty paint, randomly cracking rear windows and numerous other hardware issues.
Last year, some Model 3 bumpers fell off when it rained.

Numerous faults led Consumer Reports to give the Model 3 a “do not recommend” rating.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/motoring-news/tesla-model...

Despite the numerous faults with the Model 3, its owners were among the most satisfied. Respondents rated the 3 on its driving, value, comfort, styling and climate and audio features.
Tesla says that the data used for the report is from six months ago and the brand has taken action to fix issues as soon as they become known.
“Not only are our cars the safest and best performing vehicles available today, but we take feedback from our customers very seriously and quickly implement improvements any time we hear about issues. That’s just one of the reasons why, in this very same survey from Consumer Reports, Model 3 was rated as the #1 most satisfying car, and why Tesla vehicles have topped Consumer Reports’ Owner Satisfaction survey every year since 2013 – the first year Tesla was included in it,” says a Tesla spokesperson.
“We’re setting an extremely high bar for Model 3. We have already made significant improvements to correct any issues that Model 3 customers may have experienced that are referenced in this report, and our return policy allows any customer who is unhappy with their car to return it for a full refund. This new data from Consumer Reports comes from their annual Owner Satisfaction survey, which runs from July through September, so the vast majority of these issues have already been corrected through design and manufacturing improvements, and we are already seeing a significant improvement in our field data.”

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/01/tesla-model-3-most-loved-car-in-usa/

For many years, Consumer Reports has conducted surveys of car owners. A key metric it uncovers is how satisfied owners are with their cars.
The Tesla Model S rose in stature after its introduction for taking the top spot in this competition — for becoming the most loved car according to these surveys of car owners. It then won that award year after year for a few years.
Hot news off the press (and found on Twitter thanks to Earl of Frunkpuppy) is that the Tesla Model 3 is now the most loved car in the USA according to these owner surveys.
The Model 3’s overall score is 92, which ties it with the Porsche 911, but the decimal points are presumably in favor of the Model 3 since Consumer Reports puts it at the top of the pile.
Naturally, there are potential issues with surveys like this. For example, if owners put a lot of money and emotion into a car, they may be more inclined to say they’re satisfied with it. On the flip side, though, some of them could be more easily disappointed and upset with any issues that pop up — expectations could be too high. We know that many Model 3 buyers stretched to buy a Model 3, and for many others, even if it wasn’t a difficult financial stretch, it was at least the most expensive car they’d ever bought (often, the most expensive by far). What that means in terms of this survey is uncertain, but it’s something to consider.
In any case, you can’t claim that the Model 3 taking the #1 spot is bad news, and you can’t really claim any longer that the Model 3 is plagued with problems that are irritating owners if it turns out Model 3 owners are the people happiest with their cars. In other words, those claims and assumptions appear to be nonsense.

So the owners of these cars are happier with them than any other car but consumer reports put them as low.... makes you wonder...

Probably it's because as Tesla say that when a problem is identified the company fixes the problem right away, that would make sense why the owners are so happy and satisfied Wink

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Silly dumb Tesla Fan Girl Tweedledumb is going a bit wonky (is she really autistic after a VAX ?) as even someone as dumb as her can see her beloved unprofitable Tesla going under as the tsunami of new profitable REAL ELECTRIC CARS that the wheels don't fall off of sweeps over it.

Tesla is even preparing for the inevitable as it closes down its empty showrooms.

Piëch Automotive claims its electric supercar runs on a completely new type of battery. Is it a battery breakthrough? Not so fast.
By Andrew J. Hawkins Mar 5, 2019, 2:43pm EST

PIËCH

Electric car startup Piëch Automotive, named for legendary Volkswagen executive (and grandson of the founder of Porsche) Ferdinand Piëch, arrived at the Geneva Motor Show this week with an electric supercar and an interesting story to tell.

According to the company, the all-electric Mark Zero is powered by a new type of battery that will recharge to 80 percent in less than five minutes. If true, that represents a pretty incredible breakthrough in battery technology. But until we see some independent proof of this, we’ll reserve judgment.

Here’s how Piëch, which was co-founded by Ferdinand Piëch’s son Anton “Toni” Piëch along with Rea Stark Rajcic, describes its new battery tech:

The special type of cell hardly heats up during charging or discharging phases. Significantly higher currents can flow as the cell temperature rises only marginally. In addition to conventional CSC charging, the fast charging mode allows for a sensationally short charging time of only 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity with an exceptionally high recuperation rate. Because of the reduced heat build-up, the batteries can be cooled by air alone.

This method of air cooling helps Piëch to shave off 200 kilograms (441 pounds) of the vehicle’s total weight. This keeps the weight under 1,800 kilograms (4,000 pounds), which is still fairly heavy for a vehicle of that size.

PIËCH

PIËCH

And with a charging time way below most conventional EVs, the company is promising to bring recharging time on par with the time it takes to refill a conventional car with gasoline or diesel. When charged to a full 100 percent, the Mark Zero is able to deliver a full 311 miles (500 km) of range in the EU’s new WLTP cycle.

As for the powertrain, Piëch says that the vehicle is equipped with three electric motors: one front-axle asynchronous motor which delivers 150 kW, and two rear-axle synchronous motors to produce 150 kW each.

SPECULATION THAT PIËCH COULD BE THE UNNAMED BUYER OF ASTON MARTIN’S VANQUISH IP
There is speculation that Piëch could be the unnamed buyer of Aston Martin’s Vanquish intellectual property, but no confirmation. Last year, the luxury automaker sold the tooling and design drawings for its outgoing Vanquish supercar for £20 million ($26 million) to a “third-party car manufacturer,” and since then rumors have been circulating about the mysterious buyer. (Another possible candidate, Morgan, denied being the buyer to Automotive News last year, despite announcing plans to build a new model with specs that practically mirror those of the Vanquish.)

Piech EV has its batteries in the transmission tunnel, not the floorpan.
Aston Martin sold tooling to lastgen Vanquish to unnamed buyer.

There have been plenty of sky-high promises about batteries from EV startups over the years, but not much in the way of breakthroughs. That said, there’s plenty of room for improvement in the battery technology that powers electric cars. Tesla’s cars boast impressive speed and performance, but it’s not possible to fully charge the car in under an hour, even at one of the company’s many so-called “Supercharger” stations.

Piëch’s battery partner is the Hong Kong-based Desten Group, while China’s Qingdao Tgood  Electric Company will  contribute to the company’s plans for a charging infrastructure.

Piëch Automotive says the Mark Zero is the first in a “family of products” to be launched by the company over the next three years. The car’s vehicle architecture is “flexible and open,” which the startup says allows for a variety of drive systems like electric, hybrid, hydrogen fuel cell, or even old, polluting internal combustion engines.

The company says that they will announce a manufacturing partner later this year to bring the vehicle to market, to be followed by a four-seater and a sporty SUV.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/5/18251690/piech-automotive-electric-supercar-ev...

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Reply #296 - Mar 12^th, 2019 at 11:09am

The combination of very fast acceleration and lousy brakes means a foot mixup can easily be disastrous.

The simple truth is that Teslas are unsafe for unskilled drivers on a public street. Speed kills.

Te new profitable REAL ELECTRIC CARS will be much safer for the public.

Father of girl in fatal Tesla crash says it would not have happened in another car
By Steve Hanley Posted on February 12, 2017

What a mess!

In an exclusive interview with the Indianapolis Star, Jon Speckman said his daughter would still be alive if she had been driving any other car but a Tesla.

Casey Speckman, age 27, was killed in a fiery crash in Indianapolis a 1:00 am on November 2. Casey Speckman’s blood alcohol level was measured at 0.21%, far exceeding Indiana’s legal limit of 0.08%.

She was driving a Tesla Model S owned by her boss, Kevin McCarthy, 44, who was a passenger in the car. His blood alcohol level was reported to be 0.17%.

Jon Speckman has hired an attorney and is considering filing suit against Tesla. “Had she been in another vehicle she would have been alive for me to yell at her for driving after drinking,” Jon Speckman told the IndyStar. Speckman says he thinks Tesla has made a mistake by making a car as powerful as the Model S available to the public.

The police investigation after the crash revealed that another car had been traveling the wrong way on a one way street just prior to the accident. “This is a vehicle that travels from 0 to 60 in 3.1 seconds. She’s clearly having to swerve to miss a vehicle going the wrong way on a one-way street,” Speckman said. “If her foot should happen to hit the accelerator, it’s like a rocket ship. I don’t know why they have to make a car that does that.”

When Speckman began accelerating is not clear. A witness to the accident, Albert Finell, 81, was driving on the same street when he was passed by the Tesla. “It passed me like a flash,” Finnell told IndyStar in a telephone interview. “It hit that curb and plowed into that tree.” Finnell did not mention any other car driving the wrong way at the time.

“Before I could get out of my truck the car exploded,” Finnell said. “The parts of the car, engine and everything went up in the air. It was the most horrifying thing that I had ever seen.” Finnell says he drove north to get away from the falling debris when he heard a loud sound. “I thought something had hit my truck, but it had missed my truck,” Finnell said. “It was sitting out in the street. It was the wheel and axle assembly of the car.”

Tesla emailed this statement to the Indy Star on January 27. “We have been deeply saddened by this accident and have been working closely with authorities to facilitate their report. While it can be difficult to determine the precise speed of a vehicle in such a crash, the observed damage and debris field indicate a very high speed collision.”

The Indianapolis police department is still working to determine the actual speed of the car at the time of the crash. “I have full confidence that the authorities will come to the correct conclusion of what exactly happened to this vehicle,” Speckman said.

https://www.teslarati.com/lawsuit-alleges-tesla-death-not-happened-another-car/

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Reply #298 - Mar 12^th, 2019 at 12:48pm

Silly dumb Tesla Fan Girl Tweedledumb is going a bit sick in the head (is she really autistic after a VAX ?) as her weak feeble mind just cannot cope with what is happening.

Classic Greeny type tries to make everything personal when her feeble Greeny mind just cannot understand the true facts.

Her feeble weak Greeny mind will never be able to understand the reality that "green energy" tech is too limited by the laws of physics to ever hope to displace the internal combustion engine or fossil-fuel-powered baseload electricity generation.

Another unsafe Tesla S loses a wheel. A very common failure now as the suspension is too weak to carry the heavy weight of the fire bomb Lithium battery.

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Reply #299 - Mar 12^th, 2019 at 7:25pm

juliar wrote on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 11:09am:

The combination of very fast acceleration and lousy brakes means a foot mixup can easily be disastrous.

The simple truth is that Teslas are unsafe for unskilled drivers on a public street. Speed kills.

Te new profitable REAL ELECTRIC CARS will be much safer for the public.

Father of girl in fatal Tesla crash says it would not have happened in another car
By Steve Hanley Posted on February 12, 2017

https://cdn.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Model-X-wheel-crash-fire-wr...
What a mess!

In an exclusive interview with the Indianapolis Star, Jon Speckman said his daughter would still be alive if she had been driving any other car but a Tesla.

Casey Speckman, age 27, was killed in a fiery crash in Indianapolis a 1:00 am on November 2. Casey Speckman’s blood alcohol level was measured at 0.21%, far exceeding Indiana’s legal limit of 0.08%.

She was driving a Tesla Model S owned by her boss, Kevin McCarthy, 44, who was a passenger in the car. His blood alcohol level was reported to be 0.17%.

Jon Speckman has hired an attorney and is considering filing suit against Tesla. “Had she been in another vehicle she would have been alive for me to yell at her for driving after drinking,” Jon Speckman told the IndyStar. Speckman says he thinks Tesla has made a mistake by making a car as powerful as the Model S available to the public.

The police investigation after the crash revealed that another car had been traveling the wrong way on a one way street just prior to the accident. “This is a vehicle that travels from 0 to 60 in 3.1 seconds. She’s clearly having to swerve to miss a vehicle going the wrong way on a one-way street,” Speckman said. “If her foot should happen to hit the accelerator, it’s like a rocket ship. I don’t know why they have to make a car that does that.”

When Speckman began accelerating is not clear. A witness to the accident, Albert Finell, 81, was driving on the same street when he was passed by the Tesla. “It passed me like a flash,” Finnell told IndyStar in a telephone interview. “It hit that curb and plowed into that tree.” Finnell did not mention any other car driving the wrong way at the time.

“Before I could get out of my truck the car exploded,” Finnell said. “The parts of the car, engine and everything went up in the air. It was the most horrifying thing that I had ever seen.” Finnell says he drove north to get away from the falling debris when he heard a loud sound. “I thought something had hit my truck, but it had missed my truck,” Finnell said. “It was sitting out in the street. It was the wheel and axle assembly of the car.”

Tesla emailed this statement to the Indy Star on January 27. “We have been deeply saddened by this accident and have been working closely with authorities to facilitate their report. While it can be difficult to determine the precise speed of a vehicle in such a crash, the observed damage and debris field indicate a very high speed collision.”

The Indianapolis police department is still working to determine the actual speed of the car at the time of the crash. “I have full confidence that the authorities will come to the correct conclusion of what exactly happened to this vehicle,” Speckman said.

https://www.teslarati.com/lawsuit-alleges-tesla-death-not-happened-another-car/

her blood level was .20 and its tesla fault...…. 4 times over the limit and crashed..... no other luxury car has high performance, no skylines out there or mustangs or camero's what a joke jules... Cheesy

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Reply #300 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:33am

The shrunken shrivelled unravelling mind of the Tesla Fan Girl Tweedledee displays her usual gross ignorance and lack of intelligence in copying my excellent relevant post AND then adding such dribbling silly nonsense.

And as always she tries to use the usual Greeny weak ineffective tactic of trying to make it all personal which of course it is NOT as FACTS are FACTS and have nothing to do with the clever poster who researched this stuff.

Now ignoring the silly Greeny twit and back to the FACTS.

Complaint Number: 10926330
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1E23GF128492
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016

What part of your car was affected?

Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Tesla that has just arrived in the junkyard.

The front suspension has snapped off in the usual way.

Please investigate this serious safety issue.

When did this happen? 11/01/2016
Was there a Crash? Yes
Was there a Police Report? No
Were Vehicles Towed? Yes
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000

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Reply #306 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:51pm

juliar wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:33am:

The shrunken shrivelled unravelling mind of the Tesla Fan Girl Tweedledee displays her usual gross ignorance and lack of intelligence in copying my excellent relevant post AND then adding such dribbling silly nonsense.

And as always she tries to use the usual Greeny weak ineffective tactic of trying to make it all personal which of course it is NOT as FACTS are FACTS and have nothing to do with the clever poster who researched this stuff.

Now ignoring the silly Greeny twit and back to the FACTS.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/e88c77c197c6ddba1808baba8baf...

Complaint Number: 10926330
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1E23GF128492
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016

What part of your car was affected?

Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Tesla that has just arrived in the junkyard.

The front suspension has snapped off in the usual way.

Please investigate this serious safety issue.

When did this happen? 11/01/2016
Was there a Crash? Yes
Was there a Police Report? No
Were Vehicles Towed? Yes
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000

I wonder if that Tesla was a write off because the alloy chassis has crumpled like a coke can.

Lots of Teslas in junkyards no wonder insurance companies are jacking up the premiums.

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Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:51pm:

juliar wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:33am:

The shrunken shrivelled unravelling mind of the Tesla Fan Girl Tweedledee displays her usual gross ignorance and lack of intelligence in copying my excellent relevant post AND then adding such dribbling silly nonsense.

And as always she tries to use the usual Greeny weak ineffective tactic of trying to make it all personal which of course it is NOT as FACTS are FACTS and have nothing to do with the clever poster who researched this stuff.

Now ignoring the silly Greeny twit and back to the FACTS.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/e88c77c197c6ddba1808baba8baf...

Complaint Number: 10926330
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1E23GF128492
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016

What part of your car was affected?

Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Tesla that has just arrived in the junkyard.

The front suspension has snapped off in the usual way.

Please investigate this serious safety issue.

When did this happen? 11/01/2016
Was there a Crash? Yes
Was there a Police Report? No
Were Vehicles Towed? Yes
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000

I wonder if that Tesla was a write off because the alloy chassis has crumpled like a coke can.

Lots of Teslas in junkyards no wonder insurance companies are jacking up the premiums.

What a stupid comment. Perhaps if you go to a Toyota wreckers it just happens to have lots of Toyota wrecks in it Cheesy

LOL

And what sort of cars do you think car yards in Australia consist of ?

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Reply #308 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:04pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:57pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:51pm:

juliar wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:33am:

The shrunken shrivelled unravelling mind of the Tesla Fan Girl Tweedledee displays her usual gross ignorance and lack of intelligence in copying my excellent relevant post AND then adding such dribbling silly nonsense.

And as always she tries to use the usual Greeny weak ineffective tactic of trying to make it all personal which of course it is NOT as FACTS are FACTS and have nothing to do with the clever poster who researched this stuff.

Now ignoring the silly Greeny twit and back to the FACTS.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/e88c77c197c6ddba1808baba8baf...

Complaint Number: 10926330
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1E23GF128492
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016

What part of your car was affected?

Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Tesla that has just arrived in the junkyard.

The front suspension has snapped off in the usual way.

Please investigate this serious safety issue.

When did this happen? 11/01/2016
Was there a Crash? Yes
Was there a Police Report? No
Were Vehicles Towed? Yes
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000

I wonder if that Tesla was a write off because the alloy chassis has crumpled like a coke can.

Lots of Teslas in junkyards no wonder insurance companies are jacking up the premiums.

What a stupid comment. Perhaps if you go to a Toyota wreckers it just happens to have lots of Toyota wrecks in it Cheesy

LOL

And what sort of cars do you think car yards in Australia consist of ?

Lots of Teslas in junkyards with what looks like relatively minor damage like the one in that pic.

Since it has a suspension failure it's quite likely the chassis has bent or crumpled and being made from alloy it's buggered which explains why it's a write off.

If it was a Toyota with damage that appears similar to that Tesla it could be repaired because they make them from steel.

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Reply #309 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:08pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:04pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:57pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:51pm:

juliar wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:33am:

The shrunken shrivelled unravelling mind of the Tesla Fan Girl Tweedledee displays her usual gross ignorance and lack of intelligence in copying my excellent relevant post AND then adding such dribbling silly nonsense.

And as always she tries to use the usual Greeny weak ineffective tactic of trying to make it all personal which of course it is NOT as FACTS are FACTS and have nothing to do with the clever poster who researched this stuff.

Now ignoring the silly Greeny twit and back to the FACTS.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/e88c77c197c6ddba1808baba8baf...

Complaint Number: 10926330
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1E23GF128492
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016

What part of your car was affected?

Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Tesla that has just arrived in the junkyard.

The front suspension has snapped off in the usual way.

Please investigate this serious safety issue.

When did this happen? 11/01/2016
Was there a Crash? Yes
Was there a Police Report? No
Were Vehicles Towed? Yes
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000

I wonder if that Tesla was a write off because the alloy chassis has crumpled like a coke can.

Lots of Teslas in junkyards no wonder insurance companies are jacking up the premiums.

What a stupid comment. Perhaps if you go to a Toyota wreckers it just happens to have lots of Toyota wrecks in it Cheesy

LOL

And what sort of cars do you think car yards in Australia consist of ?

Lots of Teslas in junkyards with what looks like relatively minor damage like the one in that pic.

Since it has a suspension failure it's quite likely the chassis has bent or crumpled and being made from alloy it's buggered which explains why it's a write off.

If it was a Toyota with damage that appears similar to that Tesla it could be repaired because they make them from steel.

And the Toyota would probably have a chassis that could never be straightened properly and never be the same as the original and probably not steer well or scrub out tyres too.

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Reply #310 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:24pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:08pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:04pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:57pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:51pm:

juliar wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:33am:

The shrunken shrivelled unravelling mind of the Tesla Fan Girl Tweedledee displays her usual gross ignorance and lack of intelligence in copying my excellent relevant post AND then adding such dribbling silly nonsense.

And as always she tries to use the usual Greeny weak ineffective tactic of trying to make it all personal which of course it is NOT as FACTS are FACTS and have nothing to do with the clever poster who researched this stuff.

Now ignoring the silly Greeny twit and back to the FACTS.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/e88c77c197c6ddba1808baba8baf...

Complaint Number: 10926330
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1E23GF128492
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016

What part of your car was affected?

Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Tesla that has just arrived in the junkyard.

The front suspension has snapped off in the usual way.

Please investigate this serious safety issue.

When did this happen? 11/01/2016
Was there a Crash? Yes
Was there a Police Report? No
Were Vehicles Towed? Yes
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000

I wonder if that Tesla was a write off because the alloy chassis has crumpled like a coke can.

Lots of Teslas in junkyards no wonder insurance companies are jacking up the premiums.

What a stupid comment. Perhaps if you go to a Toyota wreckers it just happens to have lots of Toyota wrecks in it Cheesy

LOL

And what sort of cars do you think car yards in Australia consist of ?

Lots of Teslas in junkyards with what looks like relatively minor damage like the one in that pic.

Since it has a suspension failure it's quite likely the chassis has bent or crumpled and being made from alloy it's buggered which explains why it's a write off.

If it was a Toyota with damage that appears similar to that Tesla it could be repaired because they make them from steel.

And the Toyota would probably have a chassis that could never be straightened properly and never be the same as the original and probably not steer well or scrub out tyres too.

You can straighten steel properly by heating it then massaging it back into shape panel beaters do it every day.

You can't do that with alloys which means the Tesla is a throwaway shitbox when it suffers mild chassis damage from the common suspension failures.

The fact that it's a throwaway shitbox from minor chassis damage shows it really has no claim to being environmentally friendly

You really are a dopey knobsocket. Grin

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Reply #311 - Mar 14^th, 2019 at 5:26am

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Following reports of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) probing Tesla over a possible problem with the Model S’ suspension and the automaker’s goodwill agreement, it came to light that several false and/or misleading complaints were filed with NHTSA.
A spokesperson for NHTSA confirmed that the agency has not found any safety issue with Tesla’s suspensions and that the company has clarified the language in its goodwill agreement

That’s because the owners of vehicles didn’t file the complaints, but someone named Keef Leech did, also known on the internet as Keef Wivaneff and other aliases.
Leech’s claim to fame is to have “busted” a scam to sell bogus “solar harvesting devices” in Australia. He describes himself as someone who “bust green scams” and for the past few years, this role can be summarized as “attacking” companies with an environmental aspect, like Tesla.
His “attacks” mainly take the form of online comments on articles about Tesla and other “green companies”.

Keef has also been gathering and sharing pictures of crashed Tesla Model S vehicles. A reverse Google search on the pictures show that most of them were taken from salvage auction websites to sell vehicles totalled after severe crashes. Now with over 100,000 vehicles on the road, it’s more than normal for plenty of Teslas to have been involved in crashes and end up on those sites. We even covered a few of those crashes here on Electrek.
Some of the complaints made to NHTSA were based on the same pictures Leech has been gathering and the complaints suggested that the crashes had something to do with Tesla’s suspension even though the listing have little to no information on how the vehicles were damaged. It’s important to note that most car crashes are due to human errors, not car defect or part failure.
The NHTSA complaints were filed not long after Leech added salvaged pictures to his collection and he then would refer to them in his online comments without pointing out that he filed them:
His “attacks” mainly take the form of online comments on articles about Tesla and other “green companies”. Keef has also been gathering and sharing pictures of crashed Tesla Model S vehicles.
Baron are you being fooled by Keith now as well...... Cheesy

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Reply #313 - Mar 14^th, 2019 at 8:34pm

juliar wrote on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 2:56pm:

Baron the dumb Tweedledee cannot understand anything technical so it is a waste of time explaining at all. better to just rubbish and ridicule the sad fool. Classic Greeny type who thinks she is SO SUPERIOR and KNOWS EVERYTHING.

Now is this a wide track mod on a Tesla or has the back wheel fallen off ?

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/optimized/1X/7bbfaca4ff587ca1caaaf677162...

The left front has unusual positive camber which indicates front suspension is also stuffed.

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Reply #314 - Mar 15^th, 2019 at 10:23am

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:24pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:08pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:04pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:57pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:51pm:

juliar wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:33am:

The shrunken shrivelled unravelling mind of the Tesla Fan Girl Tweedledee displays her usual gross ignorance and lack of intelligence in copying my excellent relevant post AND then adding such dribbling silly nonsense.

And as always she tries to use the usual Greeny weak ineffective tactic of trying to make it all personal which of course it is NOT as FACTS are FACTS and have nothing to do with the clever poster who researched this stuff.

Now ignoring the silly Greeny twit and back to the FACTS.

https://teslabears.club/uploads/default/original/1X/e88c77c197c6ddba1808baba8baf...

Complaint Number: 10926330
Vehicle Identification Number: 5YJSA1E23GF128492
Your Vehicle’s Make Model and Model Year: TESLA MODEL S 2016

What part of your car was affected?

Suspension

What happened?
Here is a Tesla that has just arrived in the junkyard.

The front suspension has snapped off in the usual way.

Please investigate this serious safety issue.

When did this happen? 11/01/2016
Was there a Crash? Yes
Was there a Police Report? No
Were Vehicles Towed? Yes
Was there a Fire? No
Was there an injury or fatality? No
How fast were you going? (in mph) 40
About how many miles were on your vehicle at the time of the incident? 2000

I wonder if that Tesla was a write off because the alloy chassis has crumpled like a coke can.

Lots of Teslas in junkyards no wonder insurance companies are jacking up the premiums.

What a stupid comment. Perhaps if you go to a Toyota wreckers it just happens to have lots of Toyota wrecks in it Cheesy

LOL

And what sort of cars do you think car yards in Australia consist of ?

Lots of Teslas in junkyards with what looks like relatively minor damage like the one in that pic.

Since it has a suspension failure it's quite likely the chassis has bent or crumpled and being made from alloy it's buggered which explains why it's a write off.

If it was a Toyota with damage that appears similar to that Tesla it could be repaired because they make them from steel.

And the Toyota would probably have a chassis that could never be straightened properly and never be the same as the original and probably not steer well or scrub out tyres too.

You can straighten steel properly by heating it then massaging it back into shape panel beaters do it every day.

You can't do that with alloys which means the Tesla is a throwaway shitbox when it suffers mild chassis damage from the common suspension failures.

The fact that it's a throwaway shitbox from minor chassis damage shows it really has no claim to being environmentally friendly

You really are a dopey knobsocket. Grin

you two twirps are focussed on car accidents as your main argument Cheesy

LOL

You don't see a tail pipe on a Tesla Wink

Just how much GHG is spewed into the atmosphere each day by all the fossil fool powered cars and trucks on the planet ??

I rest my case.

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Reply #317 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 4:04pm

Frustrated by her inability to compete with normal posters the intellectually handicapped Tweedledumb the paw old Tesla Fan Girl is chucking a mental after being soundly defeated by much more advanced normal posters.

People who develop autism after being vaxxed behave just like this.

Now this crumpled Tesla S reminds one of the mangled state of Tweedledumb's intellectually disabled mind. Sad really.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #319 - Mar 20^th, 2019 at 12:12pm Is the intellectually handicapped Tweedledumb in one of those institutions where the patients chuck mental fits ? And what really sends the Tweedle Twit over the edge - another glorious Tesla CRASH
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Reply #320 - Mar 20^th, 2019 at 12:21pm

And the all electrics are not selling as people wake up they are just coal powered death chariots.

An Inconvenient Truth For The Global Auto Industry: Electric Cars Are Not Selling In 2019
Jim Collins Mar 13, 2019, 10:50am

All electric being fed by coal

As global automakers rush to introduce new battery electric vehicles (BEVs,) an inconvenient truth is emerging: someone has to buy them.

With so much focus on the race to secure raw materials to produce lithium-ion batteries and on Tesla's hourly/daily/weekly production rates at its single assembly plant in Fremont, CA, the demand side of the equation seems to have been forgotten. I have been following the auto industry for more than a quarter century and I love new powertrain technology as much as any other gearhead does. My background is as a sell-side analyst, though, and as a stock guy, I know that moving units moves the bottom line.

The biggest hindrance for BEV sales around the globe has been government interference in the markets. Tax credits in the U.S. are based on volume, and with the country's two largest sellers of BEVs--GM and Tesla--already surpassing the 200,000 unit threshold, their BEV models are seeing a net effective price increase. The government in CHina, by far the world's largest market for electric vehicles, will reportedly lower BEV subsidies by a third in 2019 and will phase them out completely in 2020. Europe is somewhat of a mishmash in terms of subsidies. Also, when you read articles on the success of BEV sales in Norway owing to heavy government subsidies, please remember that Norway's population is less than that of New York City.

So, if subsidies have dropped in 2019 for all BEVs in China and for the most popular brand in the U.S.--Tesla--a veteran analyst would have expected a pronounced pull-forward for sales into the final quarter of 2018 and marked drop in sales in 2019. That is exactly what is occurring in the global market for BEVs. Consumers are smart as a general rule, and buyers of autos tend to be extremely price conscious.

Read the depressing rest here

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimcollins/2019/03/13/an-inconvenient-truth-for-the...

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #322 - Mar 21^st, 2019 at 11:19am The incredibly dumb Tweedledee shows what it is like to be intellectually handicapped. And what the Tweedle Twit longs to see Tesla 3 as damaged as the Tweedle Twit's missing mind
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Reply #323 - Mar 21^st, 2019 at 11:29am

juliar wrote on Mar 21^st, 2019 at 11:19am:

The incredibly dumb Tweedledee shows what it is like to be intellectually handicapped.

And what the Tweedle Twit longs to see

https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX133/cfe80b74-0f46-466e-b3a8-ff9b4...
Tesla 3 as damaged as the Tweedle Twit's missing mind

Why are Teslas in junkyards when they have similar damage to any other car that can be fixed?

Is it because Tesla doesn't allow anyone else to fix them so Elon can profit by selling another car to them with insurance payout for being a write off?

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Reply #324 - Mar 21^st, 2019 at 1:45pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 21^st, 2019 at 11:29am:

juliar wrote on Mar 21^st, 2019 at 11:19am:

The incredibly dumb Tweedledee shows what it is like to be intellectually handicapped.

And what the Tweedle Twit longs to see

https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX133/cfe80b74-0f46-466e-b3a8-ff9b4...
Tesla 3 as damaged as the Tweedle Twit's missing mind

Why are Teslas in junkyards when they have similar damage to any other car that can be fixed?

Is it because Tesla doesn't allow anyone else to fix them so Elon can profit by selling another car to them with insurance payout for being a write off?

And why do fossil fool cars require constant maintenance ? Is that so they can keep milking their customers on service and parts for the life of the car ?

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Reply #325 - Mar 21^st, 2019 at 4:25pm

Baron as always you speak great wisdom.

The simple truth is that the coal powered pollution spewing from the power station exhausts Tesla junk piles are NOT WORTH REPAIRING. In the junk yard is where they belong.

Now here's a Tesla X that is certainly in its rightful place in the junk yard.

Wonder what the junkyard will do with it ? Not much chance of it catching fire again.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #327 - Mar 21^st, 2019 at 5:19pm The silly old intellectually handicapped Tweedledumb patient is having one of her turns where she chucks a mental panic session. Help Nurse come here quick!!!!! And what really gives Tweedledumb's panic attacks a turn for the worse - a nice Tesla S smash. These Teslas can stop quick when they hit something.
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Reply #329 - Mar 21^st, 2019 at 10:53pm

The silly old intellectually handicapped Tweedledumb patient is having one of her turns where she chucks a mental fit. Help Nurse come here quick!!!!!

These weak feeble minded Greeny types just cannot handle the pressure. They like to live in a fantasy world.

And what really gives Tweedledumb's panic attacks a turn for the worse - a nice Tesla S smash.

This Tesla S aint going nowhere soon

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #332 - Mar 25^th, 2019 at 6:16pm The mental patient Tweedledumb must have recovered from her sedation after she chucked that mental fit. Wonder what happened to her sister Tweedledee ? And now what the intellectually handicapped Tweedledumb longs to see between chucking mental fits Slightly bent Tesla S
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Reply #333 - Mar 27^th, 2019 at 7:38am

Now unsafe Tesla's sky high insurance chickens come home to roost.

Tesla Model S insurance almost $1,800 a year, Autopilot crashes again
AlanNeumann Posted on May 31, 2018

(credit: Aurich / Getty/ Tesla)

Does Tesla’s Autopilot software have something against emergency services? That’s a flippant question, but there’s something underneath it.

On Tuesday, a Model S electric vehicle—with Autopilot engaged, according to the driver—crashed into a police car in Laguna Beach, California. The police car was unoccupied at the time, but the Tesla driver sustained minor injuries.

Last month, another Model S, also under Autopilot, slammed into the back of a stationary fire truck in South Jordan, Utah, resulting in a broken ankle for the Tesla driver.

And in January, a third Autopiloted Model S plowed into the back of another fire engine, this time in Culver City, California.

It’s probably best to avoid the conspiracy theories, though. It’s not some bug with Autopilot’s sensors and flashing lights—it’s more like inattentive drivers who should be paying attention to the road. As we learned last year, automatic emergency braking is only trained to work in a relatively narrow set of circumstances, typically in the case of a moving vehicle that’s directly ahead of the car. So a stationary emergency vehicle on the shoulder of the road, particularly one at an angle, might not get classified properly to trigger the function.

It has been a rough couple of weeks for Autopilot. The suite of advanced driver assistance systems, which includes adaptive cruise control and lane keeping, has also been blamed for destroying a Model 3 in Greece last week. In that case, the facts are even murkier—the car was on an unsupported road trip at the time, and Tesla had warned the owner before he set off.

Are Tesla’s safety claims backed up by the data?
It's reasonable to ask why crashes involving Teslas get covered when the overwhelming majority of the 40,000-odd road deaths in the US each year receive no such scrutiny. There are a couple of factors at play. The first is Autopilot, which through operational design allows cars to travel for long intervals without human interaction or any form of driver monitoring beyond a torque sensor in the steering wheel. (By contrast, the industry standard for other adaptive cruise control and lane keeping systems is just 15 seconds of hands-free operation before deactivation.) Hence, every time there is a crash involving a Tesla, the first question anyone asks is "was Autopilot driving?"

Then there's the fact that Tesla itself repeatedly talks up the safety of its cars, thereby inviting media attention. At various times it has claimed its vehicles are four times safer than average—and sometimes that they're the safest cars on the road. Tesla EVs do indeed score very well in crash testing—even if the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) did not include the Model S among the three safest full-size sedans in 2017. Neither the Model S nor Model X is included in the institute's list of top safety picks for 2018.

Sorry Elon Musk, there’s no clear evidence Autopilot saves lives
But there's also reason to be skeptical of the company's claims. For instance, Tesla repeatedly cites a National Highway Transportation Safety Administration statistic that the introduction of Autosteer to Autopilot reduced crashes by 40 percent. But last month, the NHTSA told us that it was a "cursory comparison" and that the agency "did not assess the effectiveness of this technology."
It's reasonable to expect that a luxury car like a Tesla would have a higher-than-average safety record, based both on owner demographics and the average age of the vehicles. On the other hand, the Model S did not appear on the IIHS's list of 11 vehicles that recorded zero occupant deaths between 2012 and 2015, a list that included several other luxury cars and SUVs. And in just the past few weeks, there has been a spate of fatal Tesla crashes, both here in the US and in Norway and Switzerland.

"In the US, there is one automotive fatality every 86 million miles across all vehicles from all manufacturers. For Tesla, there is one fatality, including known pedestrian fatalities, every 320 million miles in vehicles equipped with Autopilot hardware. If you are driving a Tesla equipped with Autopilot hardware, you are 3.7 times less likely to be involved in a fatal accident," Tesla told us. "Tesla Autopilot does not prevent all accidents—such a standard would be impossible—but it makes them much less likely to occur. It unequivocally makes the world safer for the vehicle occupants, pedestrians and cyclists." (Note that Autopilot is not believed to be a factor in all but one of the recent fatal crashes.)

Read the rest about The Model S is now the most expensive car to insure here.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/autopilot-blamed-for-more-crashes-tesla-ins...

and of course a mangled Tesla S

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Reply #334 - Mar 27^th, 2019 at 12:30pm

juliar wrote on Mar 27^th, 2019 at 7:38am:

Now unsafe Tesla's sky high insurance chickens come home to roost.

Tesla Model S insurance almost $1,800 a year, Autopilot crashes again
AlanNeumann Posted on May 31, 2018

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Does Tesla’s Autopilot software have something against emergency services? That’s a flippant question, but there’s something underneath it.

On Tuesday, a Model S electric vehicle—with Autopilot engaged, according to the driver—crashed into a police car in Laguna Beach, California. The police car was unoccupied at the time, but the Tesla driver sustained minor injuries.

Last month, another Model S, also under Autopilot, slammed into the back of a stationary fire truck in South Jordan, Utah, resulting in a broken ankle for the Tesla driver.

And in January, a third Autopiloted Model S plowed into the back of another fire engine, this time in Culver City, California.

It’s probably best to avoid the conspiracy theories, though. It’s not some bug with Autopilot’s sensors and flashing lights—it’s more like inattentive drivers who should be paying attention to the road. As we learned last year, automatic emergency braking is only trained to work in a relatively narrow set of circumstances, typically in the case of a moving vehicle that’s directly ahead of the car. So a stationary emergency vehicle on the shoulder of the road, particularly one at an angle, might not get classified properly to trigger the function.

It has been a rough couple of weeks for Autopilot. The suite of advanced driver assistance systems, which includes adaptive cruise control and lane keeping, has also been blamed for destroying a Model 3 in Greece last week. In that case, the facts are even murkier—the car was on an unsupported road trip at the time, and Tesla had warned the owner before he set off.

Are Tesla’s safety claims backed up by the data?
It's reasonable to ask why crashes involving Teslas get covered when the overwhelming majority of the 40,000-odd road deaths in the US each year receive no such scrutiny. There are a couple of factors at play. The first is Autopilot, which through operational design allows cars to travel for long intervals without human interaction or any form of driver monitoring beyond a torque sensor in the steering wheel. (By contrast, the industry standard for other adaptive cruise control and lane keeping systems is just 15 seconds of hands-free operation before deactivation.) Hence, every time there is a crash involving a Tesla, the first question anyone asks is "was Autopilot driving?"

Then there's the fact that Tesla itself repeatedly talks up the safety of its cars, thereby inviting media attention. At various times it has claimed its vehicles are four times safer than average—and sometimes that they're the safest cars on the road. Tesla EVs do indeed score very well in crash testing—even if the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) did not include the Model S among the three safest full-size sedans in 2017. Neither the Model S nor Model X is included in the institute's list of top safety picks for 2018.

Sorry Elon Musk, there’s no clear evidence Autopilot saves lives
But there's also reason to be skeptical of the company's claims. For instance, Tesla repeatedly cites a National Highway Transportation Safety Administration statistic that the introduction of Autosteer to Autopilot reduced crashes by 40 percent. But last month, the NHTSA told us that it was a "cursory comparison" and that the agency "did not assess the effectiveness of this technology."
It's reasonable to expect that a luxury car like a Tesla would have a higher-than-average safety record, based both on owner demographics and the average age of the vehicles. On the other hand, the Model S did not appear on the IIHS's list of 11 vehicles that recorded zero occupant deaths between 2012 and 2015, a list that included several other luxury cars and SUVs. And in just the past few weeks, there has been a spate of fatal Tesla crashes, both here in the US and in Norway and Switzerland.

"In the US, there is one automotive fatality every 86 million miles across all vehicles from all manufacturers. For Tesla, there is one fatality, including known pedestrian fatalities, every 320 million miles in vehicles equipped with Autopilot hardware. If you are driving a Tesla equipped with Autopilot hardware, you are 3.7 times less likely to be involved in a fatal accident," Tesla told us. "Tesla Autopilot does not prevent all accidents—such a standard would be impossible—but it makes them much less likely to occur. It unequivocally makes the world safer for the vehicle occupants, pedestrians and cyclists." (Note that Autopilot is not believed to be a factor in all but one of the recent fatal crashes.)

Read the rest about The Model S is now the most expensive car to insure here.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/autopilot-blamed-for-more-crashes-tesla-ins...

and of course a mangled Tesla S
https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX134/8d41d832-830b-44d0-bd3d-91f9b...

good post jules Cheesy

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #335 - Mar 27^th, 2019 at 4:54pm Oh that's a relief - it was reported Tweedledee was tending her sister Tweedledumb after Tweedledumb had a mental breakdown fit and went all funny. And to lighten their heavy load a nice Tesla Roadster smash You can feel the insurance companies cringe and wince in pain!!!!
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #337 - Mar 27^th, 2019 at 10:14pm Poor mental patient Tweedledumb is still suffering mental disturbances after she chucked a mental fit and went gaga. Her sister Tweedledee has been caring for her during her spell of lunacy. And here is a get well Tesla 3 Smash
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #338 - Mar 28^th, 2019 at 5:50am Isn't it fascinating ? Exchanging posts with someone in a mental institution who is not the full quid and who is obsessed with socks and pictures of Tesla smashes. Now a get well Tesla 3 smash
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Reply #340 - Mar 29^th, 2019 at 5:05pm

The mental patient with the sock obsession must be recovering from being sedated.

Wonder what on earth could cause someone to develop an obsession with socks ?

perhaps it is the attractive odor of a well work sock that she is attracted to ?

But when a mind snaps there is no telling what goes on in that damaged cranial cavity. Another looney Greeny ?

Now a nice get well Tesla smash

Now here is a gleaming Tesla S just out of the showroom.

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Reply #341 - Jul 29^th, 2019 at 3:09pm

Replying to: her blood level was .20 and its tesla fault...…. 4 times over the limit and crashed..... no other luxury car has high performance, no skylines out there or mustangs or camero's what a joke jules... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

A blood alcohol reading taking from a body that has been mutilated in a crash and left in a white hot TESLA FIRE FOR AT LEAST 15 minutes can not possibly yield a reliable blood alcohol level.

Teslas suffer from unintended acceleration caused by electronic glitches. That Tesla also had a WHOMPY WHEEL (see crash scene photographs) Also the owner Keven McCarthy had hit a pothole a few months before which probably weakened the pretzel like suspension twiglets.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla model 3 conking out Reply #342 - Jul 29^th, 2019 at 6:20pm Keel, How is your Tesla 3 going ?
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