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Reply #60 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 5:45pm
 
The key word in case you missed it socko is "could" !

Keep praying for Tesla to go out of business socko. God always answers prayers in the form of "Yes". "No" and "Wait" Cheesy LOL
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Reply #61 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 9:50am
 
Are trolls a genetic evolution error ?

Tesla unsafe still experimental heaps of junk are dirty DIRTY
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Tesla's coal-powered cars and trucks
November 28, 2017 John Paul Hampstead, staff writer

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EVs just move their carbon emissions upstream

Tesla’s mission is “to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport by bringing compelling mass market electric cars to market as soon as possible,” wrote Elon Musk in The Secret Tesla Motors Master Plan. The large-scale shift from internal combustion engine powered automobiles to electric vehicles (EVs) is a crucial part of this ‘sustainability’ mission. Governments around the world have bought into electric cars as a way to lower their countries’ carbon emissions and have coughed up the generous subsidies electric car makers need to make themselves competitive (but note: the current versions of the U.S. Senate and House tax bills end these subsidies).

But in many countries, internal combustion engine-powered compact cars like the Mitsubishi Mirage have a smaller total carbon footprint than electric cars. How is this possible?

There are two main sources of EVs’ hidden carbon footprint:
first, carbon-intensive manufacturing processes including aluminum and copper extraction and refinement and
second, the dirty electric grids charging the cars’ batteries.

Electric carmakers prefer lightweight aluminum over steel to maximize range: Tesla builds the body and chassis of its Model S almost entirely from about 410 lbs (190 kg) of aluminum.  Average total aluminum content per car is expected to grow from roughly 397 lbs per car in 2015 to 565 lbs by 2028. The highly energy-intensive processes involved in aluminum production mean that a car’s worth of aluminum costs about 30% more in emitted CO2 than a car’s worth of steel. In China, the world’s leading manufacturer of EVs, 14 tons of CO2 is emitted for every ton of aluminum produced, three times more than the CO2 emitted by Alcoa, the U.S.’s largest aluminum producer.

China now worries that their dirty smelting operations mean that switching to electric cars will actually make their smog problem worse.

“If the USA had 10% more petrol cars by 2020, air pollution would claim 870 more lives. A similar increase in electric ones would cause 1,617 more deaths a year, mostly because of the coal burned,” said Danish researcher Bjorn Lomborg.

EVs’ intensive copper use—an electric car uses about 6 km of copper wire weighing 45 kg, compared to a conventional auto’s 20 kg of copper—also poses a carbon emissions problem. In the mid-1800s, copper ore contained about 10% usable copper, but over the course of the twentieth century, that purity has decreased to less than 1%, making the mining and production of copper extremely energy- and carbon-intensive. The energy used to smelt copper increases exponentially as the ore grade falls below 1%. The new copper mines being constructed to meet increased demand have to be factored into the carbon footprint of electric vehicles—and in general, new copper ore stocks being developed are deeper and require more energy to exploit than currently productive reserves.

What about the power grids that charge EVs’ batteries? Energy sources vary wildly by country. Globally, in 2014, 66% of global energy came from coal (29%), oil (22%), and gas (5%). China, the country with the largest number of EVs on the road, got 72% of its energy from coal alone in 2014; the USA produced 68% of its energy from fossil fuels, including coal (38%) and gas (30%) in 2014. Coal use in the USA is trending downward as a proportion of overall energy use, partially due to the new shale gas deposits being exploited by fracking.

Shifting the energy burden of the American transportation industry from gas and diesel fuels to the power grid will result in enormous increases in electricity demand. In temperate places like San Francisco, plugging an electric car into a dedicated circuit like Tesla’s PowerWall is the equivalent of adding between 5 and 10 houses to the grid. The supercharging stations required to charge Tesla’s Semis will require surge capacities far beyond anything the American grid was designed to handle. Finally, to get EVs closer to being considered ‘carbon-neutral’—because of their raw materials they never truly will be—the American energy system will have to go green.

But it’s an open question as to whether solar and wind plants can generate enough power to not only replace fossil fuel plants but also match the increased demand for electricity as hundreds of millions of vehicles start plugging in. The largest, most powerful solar plant in the United States is the Ivanpah Solar Power Facility in the Mojave Desert, which generates 392 MW; the largest wind plant in the USA is the Alta Wind Energy Center in California’s Tehachapi Pass, which generates 1,547 MW; by comparison, the largest coal plant in the United States, Plant Scherer in Georgia, generates 3,389 MW.

Ironically, Tesla’s EV cars and trucks may end up prolonging America’s reliance on fossil fuels to generate electricity, because renewable sources can't yet meet rising demand.

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Reply #62 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 9:33pm
 
Except when you charge them from roof top solar Wink Something you can never do with fossil fool clunkers and the never ever hydrogen cars that are still coming Cheesy LOL

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Reply #63 - Nov 16th, 2018 at 9:09am
 
The thick as a brick impaired troll is shocked to vaguely learn the truth. And the dumb coot even puts one of those silly YouTube videos up that nobody ever looks at.

Bet the silly coot wishes he/she could understand all those big words that intelligent well educated adults with adult brains use.
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Reply #64 - Nov 16th, 2018 at 9:31am
 
And no one reads your sh.t either socko. I certainly don't !
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Reply #65 - Nov 16th, 2018 at 10:06am
 
Now the frustration the overheated by Global Warming dumb troll feels at being unable to understand the big words adults use swells up into a profane tirade at his/her HERO who just does not recognize troll trash. A standard pretend Greeny response.


Tesla uses ‘dangerous batteries’, whistle-blower says as Elon Musk derides him as ‘horrible’
The Washington Post PUBLISHED : Thursday, 12 July, 2018, 1:51am UPDATED : Thursday, 12 July, 2018, 3:35am

A fired Tesla technician whom Musk called a ‘horrible human being’ tells a US agency the carmaker has used dangerous batteries.

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What Tesla will look like in a few years time. Experience the thrill of a crash - ride in a Tesla!!!

The US flag flies over Chinese shipping containers at the Port of Long Beach in Los Angeles County on September 29, 2018. American companies including Boeing, Dow, General Motors, GE, Ford and Tesla together made up the third-largest congregation of exhibitors at the China International Import Expo in Shanghai from November 5 to 8, 018. Photo: AFP

Martin Tripp, the fired Tesla technician fighting a corporate legal battle and a war of words with chief Elon Musk, has formally filed a tip with the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) alleging the carmaker lied to investors and used dangerous batteries in its electric cars, his lawyer said.

Tripp told the SEC on Friday that the Silicon Valley car company, whose US$53 billion value rivals that of General Motors, had pushed for a number of potentially damaging measures to meet production quotas, including placing batteries with puncture holes into vehicles and reusing scrapped parts.

The company, Tripp said, had also inflated the number of Model 3 sedans it was making each week by as much as 44 per cent, skewing the figure that investors and buyers had for months watched closely for clues to Tesla’s performance.

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Tesla lights up a smoke

Tesla did not immediately respond to requests for comment. The company has in the past repeatedly denied Tripp’s claims, saying no batteries with puncture holes had been used in cars, that Tripp was wrong about the scrap materials, and that the company’s production numbers were accurate. The SEC declined to comment.

Tesla fired Tripp last month and sued him for allegedly hacking the company’s computer systems, leaking false and damaging information to the press, and stealing valuable secrets, which Tripp denies.

In emails, Musk told Tripp he should be “ashamed” of himself and was “a horrible human being”.

The company also said it received a phone call from a friend of Tripp after his firing, suggesting Tripp would go to Tesla’s battery-producing Gigafactory in Nevada, where Tripp had worked, and “shoot the place up”.

Tripp said the claim was “absurd”, and law enforcement authorities who investigated the call said “there was no credible threat.”

Tripp has retained Stuart Meissner, a New York lawyer who represented the anonymous whistle-blower in a 2016 case against agriculture-chemical giant Monsanto.

The whistle-blower won US$22 million in the case, one of the largest payouts since the SEC began offering awards in 2012 to encourage more internal reporting of potential violations.

Meissner said Tesla has sought to ruin Tripp’s reputation as a way to protect its image and intimidate other potential whistle-blowers from coming forward.

Battery of Tesla in 185km/h explosive crash ‘reignited twice’
“Tesla and Mr. Musk have poured petrol on the fire of Tesla supporters,” Meissner said. Tripp “is not a public figure, like Elon Musk, and yet he’s been just tossed out there into the public realm and trashed.”

Tripp has yet to retain a lawyer for his legal defence against Tesla, which is seeking at least US$1 million in damages.

https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/2154894/ex-tesla-employee-steps-...
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Reply #66 - Nov 16th, 2018 at 3:51pm
 
juliar wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 10:06am:
Now the frustration the overheated by Global Warming dumb troll feels at being unable to understand the big words adults use swells up into a profane tirade at his/her HERO who just does not recognize troll trash. A standard pretend Greeny response.


Tesla uses ‘dangerous batteries’, whistle-blower says as Elon Musk derides him as ‘horrible’
The Washington Post PUBLISHED : Thursday, 12 July, 2018, 1:51am UPDATED : Thursday, 12 July, 2018, 3:35am

A fired Tesla technician whom Musk called a ‘horrible human being’ tells a US agency the carmaker has used dangerous batteries.

https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX134/36b1c23c-2de8-4aee-ae20-27107...
What Tesla will look like in a few years time. Experience the thrill of a crash - ride in a Tesla!!!

The US flag flies over Chinese shipping containers at the Port of Long Beach in Los Angeles County on September 29, 2018. American companies including Boeing, Dow, General Motors, GE, Ford and Tesla together made up the third-largest congregation of exhibitors at the China International Import Expo in Shanghai from November 5 to 8, 018. Photo: AFP

Martin Tripp, the fired Tesla technician fighting a corporate legal battle and a war of words with chief Elon Musk, has formally filed a tip with the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) alleging the carmaker lied to investors and used dangerous batteries in its electric cars, his lawyer said.

Tripp told the SEC on Friday that the Silicon Valley car company, whose US$53 billion value rivals that of General Motors, had pushed for a number of potentially damaging measures to meet production quotas, including placing batteries with puncture holes into vehicles and reusing scrapped parts.

The company, Tripp said, had also inflated the number of Model 3 sedans it was making each week by as much as 44 per cent, skewing the figure that investors and buyers had for months watched closely for clues to Tesla’s performance.

https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/09/battery-fire.jpg
Tesla lights up a smoke

Tesla did not immediately respond to requests for comment. The company has in the past repeatedly denied Tripp’s claims, saying no batteries with puncture holes had been used in cars, that Tripp was wrong about the scrap materials, and that the company’s production numbers were accurate. The SEC declined to comment.

Tesla fired Tripp last month and sued him for allegedly hacking the company’s computer systems, leaking false and damaging information to the press, and stealing valuable secrets, which Tripp denies.

In emails, Musk told Tripp he should be “ashamed” of himself and was “a horrible human being”.

The company also said it received a phone call from a friend of Tripp after his firing, suggesting Tripp would go to Tesla’s battery-producing Gigafactory in Nevada, where Tripp had worked, and “shoot the place up”.

Tripp said the claim was “absurd”, and law enforcement authorities who investigated the call said “there was no credible threat.”

Tripp has retained Stuart Meissner, a New York lawyer who represented the anonymous whistle-blower in a 2016 case against agriculture-chemical giant Monsanto.

The whistle-blower won US$22 million in the case, one of the largest payouts since the SEC began offering awards in 2012 to encourage more internal reporting of potential violations.

Meissner said Tesla has sought to ruin Tripp’s reputation as a way to protect its image and intimidate other potential whistle-blowers from coming forward.

Battery of Tesla in 185km/h explosive crash ‘reignited twice’
“Tesla and Mr. Musk have poured petrol on the fire of Tesla supporters,” Meissner said. Tripp “is not a public figure, like Elon Musk, and yet he’s been just tossed out there into the public realm and trashed.”

Tripp has yet to retain a lawyer for his legal defence against Tesla, which is seeking at least US$1 million in damages.

https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/2154894/ex-tesla-employee-steps-...

so has the scumbag saboteur retained a lawyer or what ? the guy who wrote this crap cant seam to decide Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #67 - Nov 16th, 2018 at 6:10pm
 
Now the frustration the overheated by Global Warming dumb troll feels at being unable to understand the big words adults use swells up into a desperate cry for help. A standard pretend Greeny response.

Now yet another unsafe dangerous Tesla crashes and kills bloke this time.




Tesla driver dies after car crashes through fence, then plunges into pond in California
PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 22 May, 2018, 2:17am UPDATED : Tuesday, 22 May, 2018, 9:12pm

It’s too soon to know if the Tesla’s semi-autonomous autopilot mode was engaged when the crash occurred, authorities said.

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A Tesla Model S is shown after being pulled out of a pond on Monday near San Ramon, California. The driver, who was killed, veered off the road, crashed through a fence and into the pond, authorities said. Photo: KNTV via AP

Authorities in the San Francisco Bay area in northern California are investigating the death of a man after a Tesla he was driving veered off a road, crashed through a fence and plunged into a pond. It is unknown if the vehicle was in autopilot mode.

Read the rest of this funeral plunge here.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2147174/driver-dies...
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Reply #68 - Nov 16th, 2018 at 6:36pm
 
Chows sound death knell for cash strapped Tesla.

No doubt the Chows simply pulled a Tesla apart and copied all the bits and pieces and made their own. Wonder if it crashes as well as the Tesla with lousy brakes ? And it it overheats after a kilometer or so ?





Tesla challenger Xpeng to roll out first electric car next month ahead of new credit system designed to promote China’s EV market
Sarah Dai PUBLISHED : Friday, 16 November, 2018, 12:58pm UPDATED : Friday, 16 November, 2018, 3:59pm

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Chinese start-ups are investing billions of dollars in advanced technologies to challenge Telsa and established carmakers in EV market

Xpeng Motors, the electric car start-up backed by Alibaba Group Holding, said it will roll out its first mass-produced model next month as more Chinese firms step up to challenge US giant Tesla for the hearts and minds of local drivers.

The move comes 17 months after the Guangzhou-based carmaker received its safety certification from the industry watchdog and 10 months since it unveiled the electric car model at the CES show in Las Vegas.

“It’s a challenge for any new EV manufacturer to ramp up production and meet delivery targets,” Xpeng chairman and chief executive He Xiaopeng said on the sidelines of the Guangzhou auto show on Friday, adding that quality has been the priority over speed to market.

“It is not a race. There’s no short cut. It’s about gaining consumer confidence in our products and services and building a solid reputation for the EV sector in China,” he said.

Xpeng, or Xiaopeng in Chinese, is one of dozens of electric car start-ups that have emerged in recent years after the government started issuing special manufacturing permits to companies outside traditional auto industry players.

Venturing into territory dominated by foreign carmakers like GM, Toyota Motor and Volkswagen, the Chinese start-ups are investing billions of dollars in advanced technologies ranging from autonomous driving and voice control to other bespoke smart features, hoping to upend the giants and take on Tesla which is close to building a factory in Shanghai, its first factory outside the US.

China’s drive to become world’s most powerful electric car maker.

China has been revving up efforts to promote the sector and will enforce a “dual credit” scheme starting from January. Under the new policy, local and foreign carmakers have to meet minimum production requirements for new-energy vehicles. Credits can be bought or sold to meet government targets and those falling short will face penalties, including fines and even factory shut downs.

Despite not having its first production vehicle ready till now, Xpeng has raised over 10 billion yuan (US$1.4 billion) since its establishment in 2014, attracting Alibaba, Foxconn Technology Group, and Hillhouse Capital among its investors.

Featuring a windscreen that extends back to give occupants a sky view and Star Wars-inspired headlights, the G3 model that is slated for delivery on December 12 is also equipped with a voice-activated artificial intelligent assistant, auto parking and “over the air” cloud upgrades.

“Renewability is a major feature to set smart cars – in the real sense – apart,” said Brian Gu, Xpeng’s vice-chairman and president, adding that the company’s independent research on auto-parking and bottom-up layout enables timely upgrades of all in-car software including autonomous driving features.

Research staff account for about two thirds of Xpeng’s total workforce of over 3,000, according to Gu.

The fully electric, five-seat compact SUV is priced between 200,000 to 280,000 yuan before government subsidies. In comparison, Tesla’s Model X starts from 887,600 yuan.

WM Motor and NIO, two other Chinese EV competitors backed by Tencent Holdings and Baidu respectively, rolled out their new models earlier this year. With a five month head start over Xpeng, New York-listed NIO has delivered over 3,000 vehicles and is expected to deliver between 6,700 and 7,000 in the fourth quarter, it said in a quarterly filing. WM Motor targets annual deliveries of 10,000 by the year end.

Read the full story of the sounding of the death knell for Tesla here

https://www.scmp.com/tech/start-ups/article/2173547/tesla-challenger-xpeng-roll-...
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Reply #69 - Nov 16th, 2018 at 9:55pm
 
I don't know why u post about a china start-up when there r already some well established EV makers out there BYD is about as big as Tesla and Siac is big as well, the article u posted might still be vapourware…..
However the post does show that more and more companies r making electric vehicles and that's good for us all , thanks Jules Wink
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Reply #70 - Nov 19th, 2018 at 9:28am
 
The frozen mind of the shrunken head of the scented troll appears from under the floorboards. But now something actually relevant and not just decaying rotting guff oozing out of the frozen head of an obnoxious unwelcome troll.

As is already well known the Tesla pile of junk freezes up in cold weather - like the dumb troll's "mind" that Nature forgot and never developed beyond that of a child.

As usual Musky releases an untested still experimental pile of junk on the gullible public.


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Yet another Tesla 3 with lousy breaks can't stop.



New Video Shows Tesla Model 3 Can't Handle Winter Weather
BY SEAN MURRAY – ON NOV 17, 2018 IN MOTOR HUB

A new video shows that the Tesla Model 3 is having trouble even in mildly cold winter weather.

The Tesla Model 3 first started getting delivered last year, but it was mostly sent owners living in perpetually-sunny California. A place that has never really seen snow doesn’t count as somewhere you can test a car for winter driving, so this year is the first true winter that the Model 3 has ever seen. And it’s causing a few problems.

According to Electrek, there are multiple reports from more northerly Tesla owners saying that parts of their car are freezing shut as soon as the temperatures drop below 32 degrees F. Door handles, windows, and even the charging ports are having a tough time when the air turns cold enough to freeze trapped water vapor, causing the hinges to seize.

On the Model 3, the door handles are actually recessed and the passenger mush press then inward in order to make the handle pop out. Then the window automatically lowers just enough for it to no longer be obstructed by the sound-proofing panel on the door. Model 3 owners are saying that both the door handle and window are becoming stuck in freezing temperatures.

To test the reports, Electrek’s editor in chief left his Model 3 outside in the cold and then filmed his attempt to enter the car. It was about -7 degrees C (or 19 degrees F) ambient temperature, and he left his car for 10 minutes to preheat. By the time ten minutes were up, he whipped out his phone and started recording.

Tesla Model 3 cold weather issues - Electrek


Sure enough, the door handles were completely jammed. It took some repeated hammering with his fist just to get them unfrozen, and it seemed like he might have broken at least one of the handles. Even after the handles popped out, the windows refused to budge making it impossible to get inside the car.

It looks like he didn’t have any problems with the charging port at least.

There’s been no word from Tesla on these reports, but a car that only works in California is definitely not a car to rely on in a blizzard.

https://www.hotcars.com/new-video-shows-tesla-model-3-cant-handle-winter-weather...
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Reply #71 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 4:47am
 
https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-winter-weather/
Aside from range, Andy is impressed with how well the Model 3 handles in the snow. It’s important to note that he’s driving a rear-wheel-drive Model 3 with stock tires (not winter tires). In terms of the complaints about frozen door handles and windows, Andy says he really doesn’t believe that the Model 3 is a bad winter car and points out that these are common issues in many cars. Cold weather is just not friendly to our vehicles and having things freeze up can happen to anyone with any car.
healsoshowsthwe door handles workingfine and talkes about hislast car freezing up,, u leave a car out for the night inthe snowandhinges will freeze up.... Ohhh JJ try again Wink
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Reply #72 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 6:48am
 
The dumb Troll yokel with the frozen child's mind rockets out from under the floor boards to empty the rotting decaying contents of her tiny frozen child's mind that nature forgot to develop. Go away you frozen frostbite.
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Reply #73 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 7:24am
 
Totally ignoring the Greeny lying rubbish from the silly little dumb troll with the frozen child's mind that nature forgot.
These Globally Warmed Greeny style Tesla lovers cough up such ludicrous trash because they are so ignorant of any practical technical details.

Now get the FACTS about Tesla 3 big freeze up. Another albatross from conman Musky.



Tesla Model 3 is starting to show some important flaws in cold weather
Fred Lambert - Nov. 14th 2018 6:42 pm ET


Tesla Model 3 is going to see its first serious winter in the next few months and some owners are already reporting a few important issues in cold weather. 

While Tesla officially started deliveries of Model 3 last year, the first few months of deliveries were in sunny California and it took a while for Model 3 to make it to colder climates.

There were some vehicles that made it up north during the last winter, but it could be argued that Model 3 is only now going to see its first full winter – at least for many owners.

Over the past few days, there’s been a wave of cold in Quebec and the temperature went below freezing.

Tesla Model 3 cold weather issues
Electrek received several reports from local Model 3 owners having issues with their door handles, windows, and charge ports over the last few days.

The door handles of the Model 3 are embedded inside the door and you need to press on one side for it to pop out and pull on it.

Once you pull, the window slides down slightly and enables you to open the door.

With the cold, several owners are reporting that the door handles are extremely hard to pop out and when they do, the window doesn’t always come down.

After reading the reports, I decided to film myself trying to open my Model 3 after it sat outside all day. Sure enough, I experienced the exact same problems:

Tesla Model 3 cold weather issues - Electrek


My front driver window did come down enough to open the door, but it doesn’t go up and down properly anymore.

For context, it was about -7℃ outside and my Tesla app was showing 1℃ inside the vehicle when I started pre-heating it to 22℃.

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Preheating was on for about 10 minutes before I walked up to the car, which is generally more than enough for the heating system to reach the preset temperature, which in this case was 22℃.

It wasn’t even cold enough to activate the battery pre-heating feature.

We received a dozen reports of Model 3 owners having similar issues in the Northeast following the recent cold temperature. Several of them are also experience issue opening and closing the charge port door.

Electrek contacted Tesla about the issue and the company said that they are looking into it. We will update if we get further details.

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It’s worrying because I don’t see an easy fix for this and the temperature is just starting to get cold right now.

In the next few months, it will get much colder around here and there hasn’t been any snow or ice yet.

If people are having issues right now, I can’t imagine what will happen when we hit -15℃, -20℃, -25℃, which is not unusual around here.

The issues we are seeing right now are unusual for Tesla vehicles because they acquired a good reputation in cold climates. Tesla likes to say that Norway, where they have tough winters, is their biggest market per capita.

I spent the whole last winter in Quebec with a Model S and I had no issue with it:

https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/11/IMG_0910-e1542235151566.jpgquality=82&strip=all

Driving in snowy conditions has been great and I had no issues with the windows or handles. I would pre-heat the car at least 10 minutes before using it and would give it more time the colder it got.

I actually thought it would be even easier with the Model 3 because the handles are not robotized like the Model S, but it’s not off to a good start.

The only silver lining is that Tesla has been generally fairly good at addressing flaws like that when they are found.

In the meantime, the best solution is likely to overheat the cabin for a longer period of time before trying to unlock the Model 3. Of course, it’s not really convenient or efficient, but it’s the best I can think of for now.

We will keep a close eye on the issue and we will report back soon.

https://electrek.co/2018/11/14/tesla-model-3-cold-weather-flaws/
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Reply #74 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 7:30am
 
Real people say the Tesla 3 is a pile of frozen junk. Lousy design and untested still experimental when sold to the gullible public. Tesla relies on its dumb owners to find the bad design problems.

Tesla is finished once the new safe fully tested electrics from BMW, Volkswagen, Jaguar, etc hit the streets. Tesla is already doused in China by the Chinese made copies of Tesla.



Aigars Mahinovs  Dan • 4 days ago
BMW, actually. There are things that manufactures do to door handle design specifically to avoid such issues.

There were a few design patterns back in the 00s that had issues for example. Not enough winter testing.

It wasn't even that ice formed over handles - that is fine, they were designed with that in mind.

The idea was that the handle opening direction was such that you could just pull the handle with ice frozen over it and it will break the ice in one specific spot as you are pulling the handle out.

The actual problem was that people were pulling too hard and damaging the mechanics, so nowadays there is a steel arrestor cable that limits maximum handle extension without damaging the handle, so you can safely apply force to pull a frozen handle and it will open without damaging the door.

Tesla went backwards in this and made part of the handle move *into* the door when you are opening the door.

If there is ice buildup behind that handle, you'll not going to be able to open it until all of that ice is fully melted.

And even IF ice is only on the surface, you do not have a good leverage point to break the ice. Not all fancy design is practical. A lot of different use cases need to be considered even in something seemingly simple as door handles.


Dan  Aigars Mahinovs • 4 days ago
Thanks for that, I did not think the design was any good, I have a model 3 reservation in the UK and I was concerned about this as I had this problem years ago when I had a Smart Roadster. Door handles always froze in winter and I could not shut the door until later in the day and had to drive holding onto the door!

My model S which is up for lease renewal in 2019 had a problem last year with a handle and glass getting stuck to rubber seals in cold temperatures. I put talcum powder on the seals in winter to prevent sticking, also on the sunroof runners as talcum acts as a lubricant on rubber.

I think Tesla will have problems with these handles. It would not surprise me if they make rectifications on future production.
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