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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Islamophobe’s Logic Jun 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm The following is the logic of Yadda, FD, Valkie et al. All Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism. All terrorists are Muslim. All Muslims who preach peace are liars. All liars are Muslim. Gandalf is a Muslim. Gandalf preaches peace therefore Gandalf is a liar.
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Re: Islamophobe’s Logic
Reply #1 - Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:11pm

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:

The following is the logic of Yadda, FD, Valkie et al.

All Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism.

All terrorists are Muslim.

All Muslims who preach peace are liars.

All liars are Muslim.

Gandalf is a Muslim. Gandalf preaches peace therefore Gandalf is a liar.

Can you quote me saying any of those things? Or is every single one a lie?

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Re: Islamophobe’s Logic
Reply #2 - Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:27pm

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:

The following is the logic of Yadda, FD, Valkie et al.

All Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism.

All terrorists are Muslim.

All Muslims who preach peace are liars.

All liars are Muslim.

Gandalf is a Muslim. Gandalf preaches peace therefore Gandalf is a liar.

Can you quote me saying any of those things? Or is every single one a lie?

You have repeatedly accused Gandalf of lying or 'weaseling' his way of something, like the collective treacherous Jews.

You're very clever by saying: "Can you quote me saying any of those things?" I don't need to; I know what's in your heart and mind, and no matter how much you try to dress it up, you fundamentally believe each of those things above.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Islamophobe’s Logic Reply #3 - Jun 13^th, 2018 at 7:03pm shouldnt this be in ISLAM fd... the MRBs are now becoming like the Reject Shop... a bit of everything all over the place..
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Re: Islamophobe’s Logic
Reply #4 - Jun 13^th, 2018 at 8:23pm

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:

The following is the logic of Yadda, FD, Valkie et al.

All Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism.

All terrorists are Muslim.

All Muslims who preach peace are liars.

All liars are Muslim.

Gandalf is a Muslim. Gandalf preaches peace therefore Gandalf is a liar.

Can you quote me saying any of those things? Or is every single one a lie?

You have repeatedly accused Gandalf of lying or 'weaseling' his way of something, like the collective treacherous Jews.

You're very clever by saying: "Can you quote me saying any of those things?" I don't need to; I know what's in your heart and mind, and no matter how much you try to dress it up, you fundamentally believe each of those things above.

You are confused Auggie. Asking you to quote me saying those things is not some kind of magic trick. Not sure why you are so desperate to defend Islam, but lying isn't going to help.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131477 Gender:	Re: Islamophobe’s Logic Reply #5 - Jun 13^th, 2018 at 9:00pm cods wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 7:03pm: shouldnt this be in ISLAM fd... the MRBs are now becoming like the Reject Shop... a bit of everything all over the place.. You don't think Islamophobia is a form of extremism?
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Re: Islamophobe’s Logic
Reply #6 - Jun 13^th, 2018 at 9:48pm

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 8:23pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:

The following is the logic of Yadda, FD, Valkie et al.

All Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism.

All terrorists are Muslim.

All Muslims who preach peace are liars.

All liars are Muslim.

Gandalf is a Muslim. Gandalf preaches peace therefore Gandalf is a liar.

Can you quote me saying any of those things? Or is every single one a lie?

You have repeatedly accused Gandalf of lying or 'weaseling' his way of something, like the collective treacherous Jews.

You're very clever by saying: "Can you quote me saying any of those things?" I don't need to; I know what's in your heart and mind, and no matter how much you try to dress it up, you fundamentally believe each of those things above.

You are confused Auggie. Asking you to quote me saying those things is not some kind of magic trick. Not sure why you are so desperate to defend Islam, but lying isn't going to help.

I'm not defending Islam. I couldn't give two hoots about Islam or any religion. I am defending against bigotry and slander.

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Re: Islamophobe’s Logic
Reply #7 - Jun 13^th, 2018 at 10:03pm

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 9:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 8:23pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:

The following is the logic of Yadda, FD, Valkie et al.

All Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism.

All terrorists are Muslim.

All Muslims who preach peace are liars.

All liars are Muslim.

Gandalf is a Muslim. Gandalf preaches peace therefore Gandalf is a liar.

Can you quote me saying any of those things? Or is every single one a lie?

You have repeatedly accused Gandalf of lying or 'weaseling' his way of something, like the collective treacherous Jews.

You're very clever by saying: "Can you quote me saying any of those things?" I don't need to; I know what's in your heart and mind, and no matter how much you try to dress it up, you fundamentally believe each of those things above.

You are confused Auggie. Asking you to quote me saying those things is not some kind of magic trick. Not sure why you are so desperate to defend Islam, but lying isn't going to help.

I'm not defending Islam. I couldn't give two hoots about Islam or any religion. I am defending against bigotry and slander.

That's a pissweak excuse Auggie. You are defending against your own lies, nothing more.

How does lying help you defend against bigotry and slander?

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Re: Islamophobe’s Logic
Reply #8 - Jun 14^th, 2018 at 5:50am

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:

The following is the logic of Yadda, FD, Valkie et al.

All Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism.

All terrorists are Muslim.

All Muslims who preach peace are liars.

All liars are Muslim.

Gandalf is a Muslim. Gandalf preaches peace therefore Gandalf is a liar.

yeah actions r greater than words, any post on this site where someone acts bad , one of these guys inevitable reference it to Islam... they cant help them selves. Wink

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 40523 Gender:	Re: Islamophobe’s Logic Reply #9 - Jun 14^th, 2018 at 6:51pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 9:00pm: cods wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 7:03pm: shouldnt this be in ISLAM fd... the MRBs are now becoming like the Reject Shop... a bit of everything all over the place.. You don't think Islamophobia is a form of extremism? "Islamophobia" is a form of extremism!!!!
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Re: Islamophobe’s Logic
Reply #10 - Jun 14^th, 2018 at 6:53pm

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 10:03pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 9:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 8:23pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:

The following is the logic of Yadda, FD, Valkie et al.

All Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism.

All terrorists are Muslim.

All Muslims who preach peace are liars.

All liars are Muslim.

Gandalf is a Muslim. Gandalf preaches peace therefore Gandalf is a liar.

Can you quote me saying any of those things? Or is every single one a lie?

You have repeatedly accused Gandalf of lying or 'weaseling' his way of something, like the collective treacherous Jews.

You're very clever by saying: "Can you quote me saying any of those things?" I don't need to; I know what's in your heart and mind, and no matter how much you try to dress it up, you fundamentally believe each of those things above.

You are confused Auggie. Asking you to quote me saying those things is not some kind of magic trick. Not sure why you are so desperate to defend Islam, but lying isn't going to help.

I'm not defending Islam. I couldn't give two hoots about Islam or any religion. I am defending against bigotry and slander.

That's a pissweak excuse Auggie. You are defending against your own lies, nothing more.

How does lying help you defend against bigotry and slander?

I'm not lying FD. You, Valkie and your ilk claim that there ain't a 'racist bone in your body', but drink-drivers frequently claim that they're not 'drunk'.

The fact that you attributed the plight of Arabs to inbreeding (by showing a dubious chart) indicates that you have racist inclinations.

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Re: Islamophobe’s Logic
Reply #11 - Jun 15^th, 2018 at 10:25am

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:

The following is the logic of Yadda, FD, Valkie et al.

All Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism.

All terrorists are Muslim.

All Muslims who preach peace are liars.

All liars are Muslim.

Gandalf is a Muslim.

Gandalf preaches peace therefore Gandalf is a liar.

Some TRUE and some ILLOGICAL [and 'mis-direction'] ARGUMENTS - above.

LOGICAL ARGUMENTS, below.

ARGUMENT;
Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
Quote:

The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

THE TRUTH IS, that ISLAM is a philosophy which encourages the murder or enslavement of those who reject ISLAM
[through the agency of terror and never-ending conflict].

EVIDENCE for that proposition/argument;

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22

"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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IMAGE.....

Ali Kadri - Islamic Council of Queensland vice-president,
features in The Mosque Next Door on SBS.

Quote:

"There's no underlying religious text or reasons why [moslems] go out and kill people......"

- Ali Kadri
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https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/we-wont-stop-terrorist-attacks-by-blaming-i...

Auggie,

QUESTION;

Is Ali Kadri [above], a moslem ?

QUESTION;

Should we unquestioningly believe what moslems tell us, and assert, about ISLAM ?

Or should we seek for, and believe the [apparent] truth, about what ISLAM is ?

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Quote:

Bill • Dec 4, 2017 at 22:55

Islam means submission and conquest with subjugation.

Islam is authoritarian, pedophilic, supremacist, polygamous, subversive, cleptocratic, hostile to liberty and hostile to classic liberalism, violent, hair-triggered, theocratic, and abusive to non Muslims.

This is the heart of ISLAM.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11484/erdogan-moderate-islam
[in comments]

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Q.
What 'is' ISLAM ?

ISLAM is a philosophy which urges its followers,
to use deceit,
lying,
intrigue,
intimidation,
and vicious murders and terror,
against those who reject ISLAM's strictures.

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By definition, every person who self-declares, as a moslem, is a follower of ISLAM and is a supporter what,
1/ ISLAM and 2/ ISLAMIC law endorses, promotes, and encourages.

Otherwise, that person would not assert and insist, that he is a follower of ISLAM.

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Quote:

Jun 12, 2018

Mauritania makes death penalty for leaving Islam mandatory:
“We want to be as close to the real Sharia as possible”

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/06/mauritania-makes-death-penalty-for-leaving-is...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1484729546/1#1
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1484729546/11#11

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Islamophobe’s Logic
Reply #13 - Jun 15^th, 2018 at 10:32am

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:

The following is the logic of Yadda, FD, Valkie et al.

All Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism.

All terrorists are Muslim.

All Muslims who preach peace are liars.

All liars are Muslim.

Gandalf is a Muslim.

Gandalf preaches peace therefore Gandalf is a liar.

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FURTHER response.....

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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ARGUMENT;
There is an identifiable group of people, who do, facilitate, enable, encourage and commit acts of terror,

as an endorsed cultural modality.

They are called moslems.

They are the followers, of ISLAM.

WAKE UP PEOPLE !

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Re: Islamophobe’s Logic
Reply #14 - Jun 15^th, 2018 at 6:27pm

Auggie wrote on Jun 14^th, 2018 at 6:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 10:03pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 9:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 8:23pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:

The following is the logic of Yadda, FD, Valkie et al.

All Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism.

All terrorists are Muslim.

All Muslims who preach peace are liars.

All liars are Muslim.

Gandalf is a Muslim. Gandalf preaches peace therefore Gandalf is a liar.

Can you quote me saying any of those things? Or is every single one a lie?

You have repeatedly accused Gandalf of lying or 'weaseling' his way of something, like the collective treacherous Jews.

You're very clever by saying: "Can you quote me saying any of those things?" I don't need to; I know what's in your heart and mind, and no matter how much you try to dress it up, you fundamentally believe each of those things above.

You are confused Auggie. Asking you to quote me saying those things is not some kind of magic trick. Not sure why you are so desperate to defend Islam, but lying isn't going to help.

I'm not defending Islam. I couldn't give two hoots about Islam or any religion. I am defending against bigotry and slander.

That's a pissweak excuse Auggie. You are defending against your own lies, nothing more.

How does lying help you defend against bigotry and slander?

I'm not lying FD. You, Valkie and your ilk claim that there ain't a 'racist bone in your body', but drink-drivers frequently claim that they're not 'drunk'.

The fact that you attributed the plight of Arabs to inbreeding (by showing a dubious chart) indicates that you have racist inclinations.

So stating a fact makes you racist now? Do you deny that a lot of Muslims are retarded due to inbreeding? Do you think trying to sweep it under the carpet is going to help the problem? Do you like seeing little girls married off to their cousins to be raped and raise inbred, retarded jihadis? If they were any religion other than Islam, would you be trying this idiotic ploy of using the race card to defend them from facts?

If you know I never said those things in your OP, don't you think it was a little stupid to try to attribute them to me?

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