The silly old troll is rabbiting off topic fool drool. What a drongo. The silly fool hasn't got the faintest idea about the topic and is just posting any rubbish simply to try to get attention as trolls do.






solarguy • a year ago

I'm not going to be an alarmist at this stage, however I'm quietly concerned. I know a guy who is on the standards committee, he is level headed, intelligent and has been in the solar and battery storage industry for far longer than I have and the last thing he would agree to is this total utter bullshit. In fact he is a mentor of mine and to countless other installers and designers.

So here are some facts about battery storage for hybrid and off grid dwellings as per the Australian standards and have been as long as I know of:

1. No battery chemistry in relation to Hybrid or off grid installation is allowed inside the living envelope of a house. e.g living room, bed room, kitchen or laundry and I'm sure you get the big picture here!

2. A garage has been ok as some Li - Ion batteries like Enphase are not IP 54 and so must be installed out of the weather. CGL, Powerwall and the newer LG's and some others are IP 54 or greater (IP65 like GCL) and so can be installed out side of a house, on a wall.

The IP rating allows this and in my view that is the best place for Li-Ion chemistries for mainly one reason and it's not fire so much, as the very toxic gas that Li-Ion chemistry batteries can give off if they fail catastrophically. That gas will react with animal mucous membranes, worse than mustard gas and burn your respiratory tract, including the very much needed lungs!

3. In my mind there is no need, what so ever, if these batteries that are IP 54 or IP 65 needing anything like a free standing enclosure if placed either outside or in a garage, if that garage is vented to the atmosphere.

4. The fire authorities are the only one's that may have a problem, but let's wait and see what their concerns could be.

In ending, I find it interesting that John Grimes of who I have acquaintance with from time to time, as I'm a member of ASC and the Energy Storage Council, didn't want to make comment on the matter, but I'm sure he is getting info before he responds.

What has been going on with politics and renewables lately, I have to say I smell a bloody big rat.

Now as the authorities come to grips with the extreme danger of lithium home storage batteries the next question is should electric cars be allowed inside home garages as they are an even bigger hazard ?




If lithium-ion batteries are banned from homes, why not EVs?
By Phil Keogan on February 22, 2017



As residential energy storage systems using lithium-ion batteries have begun to proliferate, it’s natural that people would seek to better understand the safety features built into these systems. With this increasing focus on safety and recent headlines around the issue, it’s important for both users and regulators to have the information necessary to put individual reports into context.

Safety is something that manufactures like Sunverge have considered since the beginning. In fact, Sunverge was born out of decades long experience supplying into the North American utility industry.  Our products are designed as “network grade” with safety and reliability at their core. As residential and commercial battery storage becomes widespread, Sunverge fully supports the definition and evolution of a set of safety standards to guide existing players and new entrants in this important energy market.

At the same time, safety standards should be based on data and testing, which is what we believe should be the case for guidelines being drafted by Standards Australia.

As proposed, storage units in Australia would be permitted only in separate external enclosures, not in homes or garages. In spite of the fact that there are no current proposed rules concerning the parking of Electric Vehicles powered by lithium-ion batteries in garages.

We understand the concerns and that customers demand and deserve assurances of safety. That’s why Sunverge engaged in extensive fire safety testing last September, conducted as part of the effort by the New York City Fire Department (FDNY) to develop standards for storage installations indoors in homes in the city.

The results showed that our systems excelled when exposed to the most extreme conditions – in fact, the report concluded the overall design of the Sunverge One (formerly the Sunverge Solar Integration System) “appears to contain or isolate” the potential hazards of advanced lithium batteries. In addition, the report indicated the Sunverge One “demonstrated that a properly designed system may be highly manageable and does not pose additional undue risk to first responders or surrounding properties during extreme fire conditions”.

At the same time, we’ve designed our systems to be installed and operated safely both inside and outside buildings, securely mounted typically mounted on a seismic pad and in a robust containment system, so consumers can choose what’s best for them, whether for convenience of location or any other reason.

Similar concerns were raised in the past concerning, for example, the installation of diesel generators by homeowners. As standards bodies looked at the data from tests and the efforts of manufacturers to put safety at the forefront, they were able to create fact-based guidelines that have served consumers well.

Finally, as Australia looks for guidance, we are ready to help. The Sunverge One meets or exceeds all applicable industry and independent standards (including AS, IEC, UL, ANSI, IEEE, NFPA, ACMA and FCC). Our systems analyze more than 800 data points every 15 seconds and automatically adjusts to ideal parameters. The batteries we use in our hardware have an outstanding track record for safety having been originally developed foe marine and defense applications. So we stand behind the safety of our products. In fact, several Sunverge employees and partners have Sunverge units installed at their homes. We are pleased to share our knowledge and experience with Standards Australia.

https://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/sunverge-stands-safety/

My Gosh that ridiculous troll is STILL hanging around.

MY GOODNESS!!! That ridiculous troll is STILL hanging around. The poor soul must be so desperate to try get some attention. Sad really to see someone reduced to such a state.


But ignoring the deliberately disruptive behavior of the sad troll and back to the TOPIC which is all Greek to the poor troll.

This is the risk you run when you put Lithium battery storage inside or close to your home




And even more scary - would your home insurance cover this ?

Gosh that normally ignored ridiculous troll drongo is STILL hanging around trying to get some attention with silly off topic spamming.  Can't be the full quid.

Must be so in awe of my superior ability he/she is stalking me.