Unforgiven wrote on Mar 5
th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
Here we go again. FleaDriver tries to divert attention away from the subject to his own agenda.
I apologise for interrupting your anti-Israel conspiracy theories in support of the Palestinians with some of Gandalf's special justifications for Muhammad's genocide of the Jews.
No problem Aussie, right after you quote me trying to pass that off as a direct quote. In the meantime, do you have an opinion on what Gandalf posted? Or is it not possible because he said it so long ago and I never give you direct quotes?
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5
th, 2013 at 10:27am:
freediver wrote on Dec 5
th, 2013 at 8:26am:
If you think these 800 people acted as some kind of mindless collective
Thats exactly what they were.
Here's a few more for you. Do you agree with these?
polite_gandalf wrote on May 23
rd, 2016 at 5:52pm:
Karnal wrote on May 23
rd, 2016 at 5:29pm:
FD calls them treacherous because they broke some pact with Muhammed.
Its scheming K - we call them scheming jews.
polite_gandalf wrote on May 23
rd, 2016 at 8:22pm:
freediver wrote on May 23
rd, 2016 at 6:22pm:
I've seen Gandalf use the 'mindless collective' and the treacherous Jews argument
Quite right - you saw me using them without me ever mentioning them. Clever eh?
freediver wrote on May 23
rd, 2016 at 9:30pm:
Every reference to "tribe" made by Gandalf below just happens to be a tribe of Jews.
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5
th, 2013 at 10:27am:
freediver wrote on Dec 5
th, 2013 at 8:26am:
If you think these 800 people acted as some kind of mindless collective
Thats exactly what they were.
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8
th, 2013 at 7:38pm:
Also the treachery of the jews had nothing to do with them refusing to help the muslims.
Simple facts FD.
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5
th, 2013 at 3:11pm:
As I said, there was no real concept of individuality - your personality was literally defined by which tribe you belonged to. And the decisions that govern the tribe are very much decisions that are represented by all the individuals who make up the tribe. Thus there really is no question of collective guilt - no matter how abhorrent we find the term today.
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 4
th, 2013 at 3:48pm:
Muhammad had been burnt before by granting another traitorous tribe free passage to leave the city - upon which they immediately started plotting against Medina and instigating hostilities.
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28
th, 2015 at 4:08pm:
The leaders conspired - yes.
The rest of them had the opportunity to disown their treachery. They declined. So tough titties- off with their heads.
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28
th, 2015 at 4:08pm:
What do you think the Banu Qurayza would have done to the muslims if their planned back-stabbing assault on Medina had succeeded?
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 6
th, 2013 at 2:05pm:
Like I keep saying, it is reasonable to accuse them of collective guilt, since at any time any individual had the opportunity to disassociate themselves from the decisions made on behalf of the tribe.
Gandalf is one of the good Muslims.
on May 24
th, 2016 at 10:42am:
The phrase "treacherous jew argument" has obvious racist connotations. FD was obviously well aware of this when he put these words into my mouth.
I went to great lengths to point out their treachery had nothing to do with them being jews. FD deliberately set out to play the race card by using the term "treacherous jew", which he knows perfectly well is a notorious phrase heavily laden with racist overtones. But their treachery is a matter of simple historical fact - they conspired with the people who were attempting to annihilate Medina, in secret, in direct violation of the treaty they signed with Muhammad. But pointing that out is wacist innit.
The best FD can argue is that their treachery was justified, but treachery it was.
Will you sneak back in later and accuse me of being mean to Gandalf, but refuse once more to have an opinion on what he says? I'm sure he appreciates the support, even though he does seem a bit ungrateful. How about instead of running away this time, you ask me another incredibly stupid question?
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